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	<title>Comments on: Foreclosure Alert: Church-Unit at 2000 Price: 1658 W. Superior</title>
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	<description>Flips, Foreclosures, McMansions, New Condos: The Dish On the Chicago Housing Market</description>
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		<title>By: Foreclosure Alert: Converted Church Unit Sells at 1658 W. Superior</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-30023</link>
		<author>Foreclosure Alert: Converted Church Unit Sells at 1658 W. Superior</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See our prior discussion and pictures here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] See our prior discussion and pictures here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sabrina</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-22137</link>
		<author>Sabrina</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob: We chattered about these church units in McKinley Park earlier in 2008. There are now interior pictures available on realtor websites.

The thing with this conversion is that they appear to have stripped out the natural features so it's not really obvious you're even living in a church.  What's the point then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob: We chattered about these church units in McKinley Park earlier in 2008. There are now interior pictures available on realtor websites.</p>
<p>The thing with this conversion is that they appear to have stripped out the natural features so it&#8217;s not really obvious you&#8217;re even living in a church.  What&#8217;s the point then?</p>
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		<title>By: Sonies</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-22135</link>
		<author>Sonies</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bob, I'll check those out.  I actually went to see this property a few weeks ago, but the lockbox was empty so we never got in.  Our realtor was pretty embarrassed since we spent about 30 minutes on ashland coming from the north side.  Bad traffic. 

There are also 2 other units in this building for sale for 420k+

743 North PAULINA #6 for 420k (different address same building)

and 

1658 West SUPERIOR #4 for 425k or 2k a month rent (lol)

If we can pick this unit up for 250k with parking, we'd move in immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bob, I&#8217;ll check those out.  I actually went to see this property a few weeks ago, but the lockbox was empty so we never got in.  Our realtor was pretty embarrassed since we spent about 30 minutes on ashland coming from the north side.  Bad traffic. </p>
<p>There are also 2 other units in this building for sale for 420k+</p>
<p>743 North PAULINA #6 for 420k (different address same building)</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>1658 West SUPERIOR #4 for 425k or 2k a month rent (lol)</p>
<p>If we can pick this unit up for 250k with parking, we&#8217;d move in immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-22134</link>
		<author>Bob</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone really into church conversions I found another from MLS surfing.  St. Philippus Lofts is a new 10-unit conversion in McKinley Park with two units on the MLS for 280k and 300k. 

Whats odd about that is the 280k unit seems to be one of the two units with the special custom church windows like this unit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone really into church conversions I found another from MLS surfing.  St. Philippus Lofts is a new 10-unit conversion in McKinley Park with two units on the MLS for 280k and 300k. </p>
<p>Whats odd about that is the 280k unit seems to be one of the two units with the special custom church windows like this unit.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Michalak</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-22132</link>
		<author>Michael Michalak</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This listing still appears to be active in the MLS.   When I checked it out in late november, there was a bit of drywall damage.   Nothing too bad though.   It is a very interesting space, I have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This listing still appears to be active in the MLS.   When I checked it out in late november, there was a bit of drywall damage.   Nothing too bad though.   It is a very interesting space, I have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: wickerparker</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-20949</link>
		<author>wickerparker</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-20949</guid>
		<description>anyone have any updates on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone have any updates on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamesy</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-19738</link>
		<author>Jamesy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be a great unit to combine with another one to increase the size.   

I would hire a stained glass restoration specialist to do some archival work on the existing glass "just in case."  

And yes, the heating bill would be high.  But I would gladly endure the bill for this level of double height drama.  Just walking through your condo would be a religious experience.  Maybe get a bed with heavy drapes [ala Ebeneezer Scrooge] and set the heat to 60 at night. Or install heavy drapes that can be pulled along the part of the bedroom that overlooks the downstairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be a great unit to combine with another one to increase the size.   </p>
<p>I would hire a stained glass restoration specialist to do some archival work on the existing glass &#8220;just in case.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And yes, the heating bill would be high.  But I would gladly endure the bill for this level of double height drama.  Just walking through your condo would be a religious experience.  Maybe get a bed with heavy drapes [ala Ebeneezer Scrooge] and set the heat to 60 at night. Or install heavy drapes that can be pulled along the part of the bedroom that overlooks the downstairs.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-19691</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-19691</guid>
		<description>Well, we are in a liquidity trap already, that I have no doubt at this point. The fed govt can ONLY use unconventional means at this point to prevent a mild depression. Although the talk has been housing, that was just the first part of the credit bubble to burst and it did so spectacularly. The real issue is a general credit bubble...not a housing bubble which was a merely one symptom of the credit bubble. IT WAS THE CREDIT BUBBLE THAT BURST, not just housing. Once that is understood....that this credit bubble had been building slowly for over a decade or decades. This credit bubble was permitted to dramatically inflate thanks to the CDO and similar financial instruments. Creative financing permitted the principal repayment risk to be passed on to others at a much higher rating than warranted. The credit bubble was self-reinforcing as easy credit allowed people and businesses to simply refinance their debts instead of making substantial principal payments back..it was a refi madness of debts. Although the fed govt has used unconventional means already...even $2T isn't enough...would need more like $10T to fill the demand pullback.

We may look back and call these next few years The Great Recession caused by a massive credit bubble. During the credit bubble, demand had artificially increased beyond what incomes permitted. In fact, the savings rate had even reached a negative rate during the credit bubble. So the demand for goods and services was artificially high....I call it the "Credit Bubble Demand Rate" for goods and services and supply infrastructure and investments were made based on this CBDR. Now we realize that the CBDR exceeded our allowable demand based on our GDP as evidenced by the credit bubble burst and our demand has returned, is returning, and in some areas dipped below the balanced demand rate commensurate with our GDP. So, we must understand that demand had been artificially high and will not be returning to that level, period, no matter what the fed govt does. This applies to the entire economy, not just housing which housing credit burst first. In the short term, there has been a sudden pullback in credit in numerous areas with some overshooting on the downside as people tried to get an understanding of the risks...there was a lot of uncertainty and you can't extend credit with high levels of uncertainty. Other credit areas did not drop so quickly and are continuing to be pull back (credit cards, in store credit promotions and financing, etc.).

Since the CBDR was an elevated demand rate and touched all areas of the economy, the entire economy must pull back to meet the balanced demand rate which is lower than the CBDR. That will mean a very nasty deep and long recession, plain and simple since the pullback in supply takes time. Not only in the U.S. but also the countries that supply the U.S. with goods and services will be hurt. ANYTHING that supplies the U.S. with goods and services will be made to cut back since those supply levels now exceed this new more accurate and sustainable demand. Just like the airlines that cut back on the number of plans and flights, many many parts of our economy will have to do the same. The fed govt will attempt to increase demand through massive federal spending but it really is a lost cause and is futile to a large extent. The CBDR was caused by too much credit and the fed govt is simply trying to keep this CBDR alive though more credit spending through federal deficits instead of private credit....MASSIVE federal deficits. While I agree that now is the time for deficit spending (not tax substantial increases) such fed spending MUST be understood as a way to soften the economy's supply adjustment and to prevent as much as possible overshooting on the down side below what the demand rates is. We don't want the fed govt to simply create a new bubble, in this case by crediting a federal government credit bubble, since that would end in a complete systemic financial collapse. As such, we need to hunker down, get through this recession and not try to reflate the bubble which was caused by private credit with new public credit. Otherwise it truly will be game over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we are in a liquidity trap already, that I have no doubt at this point. The fed govt can ONLY use unconventional means at this point to prevent a mild depression. Although the talk has been housing, that was just the first part of the credit bubble to burst and it did so spectacularly. The real issue is a general credit bubble&#8230;not a housing bubble which was a merely one symptom of the credit bubble. IT WAS THE CREDIT BUBBLE THAT BURST, not just housing. Once that is understood&#8230;.that this credit bubble had been building slowly for over a decade or decades. This credit bubble was permitted to dramatically inflate thanks to the CDO and similar financial instruments. Creative financing permitted the principal repayment risk to be passed on to others at a much higher rating than warranted. The credit bubble was self-reinforcing as easy credit allowed people and businesses to simply refinance their debts instead of making substantial principal payments back..it was a refi madness of debts. Although the fed govt has used unconventional means already&#8230;even $2T isn&#8217;t enough&#8230;would need more like $10T to fill the demand pullback.</p>
<p>We may look back and call these next few years The Great Recession caused by a massive credit bubble. During the credit bubble, demand had artificially increased beyond what incomes permitted. In fact, the savings rate had even reached a negative rate during the credit bubble. So the demand for goods and services was artificially high&#8230;.I call it the &#8220;Credit Bubble Demand Rate&#8221; for goods and services and supply infrastructure and investments were made based on this CBDR. Now we realize that the CBDR exceeded our allowable demand based on our GDP as evidenced by the credit bubble burst and our demand has returned, is returning, and in some areas dipped below the balanced demand rate commensurate with our GDP. So, we must understand that demand had been artificially high and will not be returning to that level, period, no matter what the fed govt does. This applies to the entire economy, not just housing which housing credit burst first. In the short term, there has been a sudden pullback in credit in numerous areas with some overshooting on the downside as people tried to get an understanding of the risks&#8230;there was a lot of uncertainty and you can&#8217;t extend credit with high levels of uncertainty. Other credit areas did not drop so quickly and are continuing to be pull back (credit cards, in store credit promotions and financing, etc.).</p>
<p>Since the CBDR was an elevated demand rate and touched all areas of the economy, the entire economy must pull back to meet the balanced demand rate which is lower than the CBDR. That will mean a very nasty deep and long recession, plain and simple since the pullback in supply takes time. Not only in the U.S. but also the countries that supply the U.S. with goods and services will be hurt. ANYTHING that supplies the U.S. with goods and services will be made to cut back since those supply levels now exceed this new more accurate and sustainable demand. Just like the airlines that cut back on the number of plans and flights, many many parts of our economy will have to do the same. The fed govt will attempt to increase demand through massive federal spending but it really is a lost cause and is futile to a large extent. The CBDR was caused by too much credit and the fed govt is simply trying to keep this CBDR alive though more credit spending through federal deficits instead of private credit&#8230;.MASSIVE federal deficits. While I agree that now is the time for deficit spending (not tax substantial increases) such fed spending MUST be understood as a way to soften the economy&#8217;s supply adjustment and to prevent as much as possible overshooting on the down side below what the demand rates is. We don&#8217;t want the fed govt to simply create a new bubble, in this case by crediting a federal government credit bubble, since that would end in a complete systemic financial collapse. As such, we need to hunker down, get through this recession and not try to reflate the bubble which was caused by private credit with new public credit. Otherwise it truly will be game over.</p>
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		<title>By: homedelete</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-19689</link>
		<author>homedelete</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know why people say this because I don't think it's true.  40% means affordable housing and more money available for consumer spending (as opposed to paying interest).  In fact, the decrease in prices could be offset by increased volume of transactions.  There were only 1,500 hundred homes sold in Chicago in Oct!!!  The only homes selling are the affordably priced!  Housing has been so out of whack for so long that 40% off peak is, paraphrasing Gary Watts in 2006, "in the bag."

"HD,
If housing in Chicago gets 40% cheaper very few of us will be able to afford it because most will not have a job. I for one hope Gary is right."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why people say this because I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s true.  40% means affordable housing and more money available for consumer spending (as opposed to paying interest).  In fact, the decrease in prices could be offset by increased volume of transactions.  There were only 1,500 hundred homes sold in Chicago in Oct!!!  The only homes selling are the affordably priced!  Housing has been so out of whack for so long that 40% off peak is, paraphrasing Gary Watts in 2006, &#8220;in the bag.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;HD,<br />
If housing in Chicago gets 40% cheaper very few of us will be able to afford it because most will not have a job. I for one hope Gary is right.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RunnerRunner</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-19688</link>
		<author>RunnerRunner</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5873#comment-19688</guid>
		<description>I never said inflation was an immediate concern, just that it probably will be in a few years.

If John is correct about the US economy being stuck in a liquidity trap then 2009 = 1932 and the whole world is seriously F’d.  Everybody, not just people who made stupid decisions on housing.

I don’t agree for two reasons:

1) The dollar is not going to crash because the economies in the rest of the world are worse off than the US.   

2) The Fed can do more than lower interest rates, they can increase the size of their balance sheet. They have taken on &#62; 2T in the past month or so.   This will probably continue since Ben believes it is a way to increase liquidity enough to keep out of the trap.


HD,
If housing in Chicago gets 40% cheaper very few of us will be able to afford it because most will not have a job. I for one hope Gary is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said inflation was an immediate concern, just that it probably will be in a few years.</p>
<p>If John is correct about the US economy being stuck in a liquidity trap then 2009 = 1932 and the whole world is seriously F’d.  Everybody, not just people who made stupid decisions on housing.</p>
<p>I don’t agree for two reasons:</p>
<p>1) The dollar is not going to crash because the economies in the rest of the world are worse off than the US.   </p>
<p>2) The Fed can do more than lower interest rates, they can increase the size of their balance sheet. They have taken on &gt; 2T in the past month or so.   This will probably continue since Ben believes it is a way to increase liquidity enough to keep out of the trap.</p>
<p>HD,<br />
If housing in Chicago gets 40% cheaper very few of us will be able to afford it because most will not have a job. I for one hope Gary is right.</p>
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