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	<title>Comments on: Developer Slashes Prices $100k-$175k at the Wabash Club: 2301 S. Wabash</title>
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		<title>By: hamavenue</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-34923</link>
		<author>hamavenue</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know the latest status around the wabash club area? Last time I drove by state street, looks like some of the project has been closed.

And there are quite a few of these townhomes listed for sale and on the foreclosure market too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know the latest status around the wabash club area? Last time I drove by state street, looks like some of the project has been closed.</p>
<p>And there are quite a few of these townhomes listed for sale and on the foreclosure market too.</p>
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		<title>By: Developer Cuts Prices Again on South Loop Townhouses: 2301 S. Wabash</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-24495</link>
		<author>Developer Cuts Prices Again on South Loop Townhouses: 2301 S. Wabash</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-24495</guid>
		<description>[...] See our chatter about the location and the price cuts here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] See our chatter about the location and the price cuts here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sabrina</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19420</link>
		<author>Sabrina</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19420</guid>
		<description>Motor Row Lofts must have lowered their prices then. Because when I toured them over a year ago, they were definitely in the $500,000s (and higher) for the 3-bedroom units. 

1-bedrooms were about $300,000 which I thought was crazy given the location. Again, there was NO discount for choosing to live in an up and coming neighborhood with only a Burger King across the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motor Row Lofts must have lowered their prices then. Because when I toured them over a year ago, they were definitely in the $500,000s (and higher) for the 3-bedroom units. </p>
<p>1-bedrooms were about $300,000 which I thought was crazy given the location. Again, there was NO discount for choosing to live in an up and coming neighborhood with only a Burger King across the street.</p>
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		<title>By: South Loop Resident</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19418</link>
		<author>South Loop Resident</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19418</guid>
		<description>I fully agree 1000% that developers need to be offering 
'pioneering' discounts on top of a market correction factor, but I have yet to see $500K for 2BR.  

I toured every unit of Motor Row Lofts (not Lofts on Motor Row which the Eurotrash guy defaulted on), and they had some great 3BR and 3BR+ for $450ish with parking.  For the size it was very nice, plus a big tax savings.  Now, I still thought it should have been about $25 - $50K less, but nothing in the $500K price. 

To the original point about the price of the Townhome (I personally am not overwelmed by the design), but if someone liked the design, the price point is worth considering as a starting point.  It has more potential than people give it credit for, that's all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree 1000% that developers need to be offering<br />
&#8216;pioneering&#8217; discounts on top of a market correction factor, but I have yet to see $500K for 2BR.  </p>
<p>I toured every unit of Motor Row Lofts (not Lofts on Motor Row which the Eurotrash guy defaulted on), and they had some great 3BR and 3BR+ for $450ish with parking.  For the size it was very nice, plus a big tax savings.  Now, I still thought it should have been about $25 - $50K less, but nothing in the $500K price. </p>
<p>To the original point about the price of the Townhome (I personally am not overwelmed by the design), but if someone liked the design, the price point is worth considering as a starting point.  It has more potential than people give it credit for, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabrina</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19415</link>
		<author>Sabrina</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19415</guid>
		<description>South Loop Resident said: "Motor Row - A great deal has taken place already, with some things to come including a botique hotel at 24th and Indiana, etc. These people are better off then when they bought."

The prices are still too high in an area that is "up and coming." The lofts in Motor Row are priced in the $500,000s for a 2/2.  I can buy the same thing in a very established River North or Streeterville and not wait for "things" to come to the neighborhood.

Only 7 or 8 years ago- if you lived in no man's land, you paid much lower prices because of that fact.  Now, suddenly, I have to get a jumbo loan to live near the Stevenson Expressway in my 1300 square feet.  How do you figure?

I don't see how these hold their value in this bust.  Eventually- yes- this area could be fantastic. But right now?  Only for much cheaper prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Loop Resident said: &#8220;Motor Row - A great deal has taken place already, with some things to come including a botique hotel at 24th and Indiana, etc. These people are better off then when they bought.&#8221;</p>
<p>The prices are still too high in an area that is &#8220;up and coming.&#8221; The lofts in Motor Row are priced in the $500,000s for a 2/2.  I can buy the same thing in a very established River North or Streeterville and not wait for &#8220;things&#8221; to come to the neighborhood.</p>
<p>Only 7 or 8 years ago- if you lived in no man&#8217;s land, you paid much lower prices because of that fact.  Now, suddenly, I have to get a jumbo loan to live near the Stevenson Expressway in my 1300 square feet.  How do you figure?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how these hold their value in this bust.  Eventually- yes- this area could be fantastic. But right now?  Only for much cheaper prices.</p>
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		<title>By: nd</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19374</link>
		<author>nd</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19374</guid>
		<description>I was just wondering how close it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just wondering how close it was.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19368</link>
		<author>JB</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19368</guid>
		<description>The South Loop Hotel is four blocks and a world away. It is on the other side of the expressway and I would think it has no impact - positive or negative - on this development whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The South Loop Hotel is four blocks and a world away. It is on the other side of the expressway and I would think it has no impact - positive or negative - on this development whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: South Loop Resident</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19366</link>
		<author>South Loop Resident</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19366</guid>
		<description>I live in the neighborhood North of these. I agree with much here, but if this board was in operation in 1995, many would have poo-pooed anything happening then. 

1.  South Loop Hotel is quite far from these, on the other side of
    I-55. 
2.  I thought these were overpriced, but, this might not be a
    bad price point considering the things to come for this area.
    For a loft, this is an easy gamble; a townhome, I don't know.

3.  No this is not a Rezko development - sadly, Rezko may have
    turned out to be the best and most honest developer in the 
    South Loop. How ironic is that?

Negatives - Ickes home and the wastland west of these.  However, compared to the original South Loop transformation, (starting at Roosevelt in 1995-1996), there may be some catalysts that make this an opportunity worth considering.

A)  Ickes Homes - City already working on plan to shut these down in
    next 2-3 years. Think 2-3 of these buildings  are still in
    operation, but it still looks like Michael Jackson Thriller
    video 3 blocks west some times during the day.  The needs
    of the Teaching Academy issues may quicken this pace.

B)  New "L" Stop on Green Line - CTA/RTA/DPD is looking at station
    for either Cermak or 18th on Green Line, or eventually both.
    The Cermak proposal (I have seen it), will include some
    additional towers, and serious retail just west of here. A 
    5-10  year proposition (which would be expidited if the
    Olympics happen.)

C)  Olympics - If this happens, the area in Motor Row around the
    McCormick Place is gold, and will get some serious make-over.
    There is also discussion of a circulater/monorail line from
    somewhere on the green line to McCormick and Northerly Island
    from down near 23rd to 26th origin. 

D)  Motor Row - A great deal has taken place already, with some
    things to come including a botique hotel at 24th and Indiana,
    etc.  These people are better off then when they bought.

E)  Restauraunts - Two new proposed, and O'Malley has also bought
    up 4 buildings in Motor Row for restaurant plans (owner of
    Grace O'Malley's, Fire House, Park Grill, etc.)

Also, one caviat, did you know Michelle Obama sat on the committee for the Motor Row redevelopment and Landmarking proposal? An ace in the hole? Who knew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the neighborhood North of these. I agree with much here, but if this board was in operation in 1995, many would have poo-pooed anything happening then. </p>
<p>1.  South Loop Hotel is quite far from these, on the other side of<br />
    I-55.<br />
2.  I thought these were overpriced, but, this might not be a<br />
    bad price point considering the things to come for this area.<br />
    For a loft, this is an easy gamble; a townhome, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>3.  No this is not a Rezko development - sadly, Rezko may have<br />
    turned out to be the best and most honest developer in the<br />
    South Loop. How ironic is that?</p>
<p>Negatives - Ickes home and the wastland west of these.  However, compared to the original South Loop transformation, (starting at Roosevelt in 1995-1996), there may be some catalysts that make this an opportunity worth considering.</p>
<p>A)  Ickes Homes - City already working on plan to shut these down in<br />
    next 2-3 years. Think 2-3 of these buildings  are still in<br />
    operation, but it still looks like Michael Jackson Thriller<br />
    video 3 blocks west some times during the day.  The needs<br />
    of the Teaching Academy issues may quicken this pace.</p>
<p>B)  New &#8220;L&#8221; Stop on Green Line - CTA/RTA/DPD is looking at station<br />
    for either Cermak or 18th on Green Line, or eventually both.<br />
    The Cermak proposal (I have seen it), will include some<br />
    additional towers, and serious retail just west of here. A<br />
    5-10  year proposition (which would be expidited if the<br />
    Olympics happen.)</p>
<p>C)  Olympics - If this happens, the area in Motor Row around the<br />
    McCormick Place is gold, and will get some serious make-over.<br />
    There is also discussion of a circulater/monorail line from<br />
    somewhere on the green line to McCormick and Northerly Island<br />
    from down near 23rd to 26th origin. </p>
<p>D)  Motor Row - A great deal has taken place already, with some<br />
    things to come including a botique hotel at 24th and Indiana,<br />
    etc.  These people are better off then when they bought.</p>
<p>E)  Restauraunts - Two new proposed, and O&#8217;Malley has also bought<br />
    up 4 buildings in Motor Row for restaurant plans (owner of<br />
    Grace O&#8217;Malley&#8217;s, Fire House, Park Grill, etc.)</p>
<p>Also, one caviat, did you know Michelle Obama sat on the committee for the Motor Row redevelopment and Landmarking proposal? An ace in the hole? Who knew?</p>
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		<title>By: sartre</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19358</link>
		<author>sartre</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19358</guid>
		<description>but it doesn't matter, the taxpayer owns everything and all of you just became proud owners of citibank toxico-asseto. Congratulations Folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but it doesn&#8217;t matter, the taxpayer owns everything and all of you just became proud owners of citibank toxico-asseto. Congratulations Folks!</p>
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		<title>By: sartre</title>
		<link>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19357</link>
		<author>sartre</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cribchatter.com/?p=5878#comment-19357</guid>
		<description>wow, I am sure this will fall further, plus anyone who buys this will feel a lot of love from the neighbors for resetting their comps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, I am sure this will fall further, plus anyone who buys this will feel a lot of love from the neighbors for resetting their comps.</p>
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