3-Bedroom Listed for Under the 2007 Price: 600 N. Fairbanks in Streeterville
This 3-bedroom unit on the 15th floor at Helmut Jahn’s modern high rise at 600 N. Fairbanks in Streeterville has been on and off the market since 2008.
It is now listed $6,000 under the 2007 purchase price.
The unit has floor to ceiling windows and concrete ceilings.
The kitchen has Wolf, Miele and Subzero appliances and stone counter tops.
The bathrooms also have stone counter tops.
Is this a deal for the square footage in this location?
Abigail Marcus at @Properties has the listing. See the pictures here.
Unit #1501: 3 bedrooms, 2.5 baths, 1746 square feet
- Sold in November 2007 for $806,000 (included the parking)
- Originally listed in September 2008 (I don’t have the original list price)
- Withdrawn in June 2009
- Currently listed at $750,000 (parking $50,000 extra)
- Assessments of $702 a month (includes heat, a/c, gas, doorman, cable, pool)
- Taxes of $10,001
- OR you can also rent it for $6000 a month (includes the parking)
- Central Air
- In-unit washer/dryer
- Bedroom #1: 17×13
- Bedroom #2: 12×15
- Bedroom #3: 12×12
Most overrated bldg in Chicago… Blechh!
Won’t this unit be a tough sell with the stricter fannie-feddie jumbo backed loans?
Ambulance overlook. I just do not see why this is worth more than 350psf. Horrible, noisy neighborhood. Perhaps 600K max
Very tasteful finishes but the low floor is the issue.
Check out the 1 bedrooms. There are multiple ones listed under their past sale prices.
Hey 6k off the 2007 price is a steal! were is my check book?
its nice but I wouldn’t drop 750k on it, maybe like 450-500
Sonies- you are not the norm. The 2-bedrooms have sold in the high $500s (although some are now trying to get $699k or higher- when they have smaller square footage than these 3-bedroom units which are also on the market.)
The 1-bedrooms are still trying to get around $400k.
Thats insane, This block is so dumpy i wouldn’t pay gold coast prices to live there. It is a nice building and the units appear to have very nice finishes that I like, but for 1750 sqft it looks small (the sq footage is likely inflated due to the round curtain wall and pillars in the living room in this tier)
I mean my unit is basically a cheap knockoff of this building (also about half the price!), and I like the action that my block provides compared to this particular block.
I’d say this unit is probably around 1500 sqft and at $400 a sqft you get a 600k price, not that I’d pay that but I’m sure lots of other people would.
We have the highest gas prices of any continental U.S. city!
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/27/news/economy/chicago_gas_prices/index.htm
Good news for the walkable neighborhoods? Or is it just an hint that taxes are high and bound to go higher on just about everything in Illinois?
Chris, gas prices are why inner ring suburbs and city living are going to be well positioned for the future when it comes to housing values. When gas was low, it wasn’t a big deal to commute way out to West Bumblestank, IL for 3000 sqft $250k McMansions.
Gas prices are making exurbs and suburbs without adequate public transportation a stupid move imho.
I’m so glad I can take public transportation. It cost $100 bucks to fill up my v8 Touareg. WTF?
Hopefully people will start to get the message–not only about choosing to live closer to work and/or transportation lines, but also about buying vehicles that get reasonable gas mileage.
“I’m so glad I can take public transportation. It cost $100 bucks to fill up my v8 Touareg. WTF?”
As the owner of both a V8 Mustang and a Prius, living in the inner-ring suburbs (North Shore) with good walking and public transporation options, I think I’m well positioned whether gas prices stay up or go down.
I have been driving the Prius a lot lately, not the Mustang, I have to say…
“but also about buying vehicles that get reasonable gas mileage.”
dear gosh tree hugger’s love their propaganda dont they.
i will never drive a car less than 6 cylinders. and for a fact i say unless its a hybrid no car should be made with less than six.
I live in the building and it’s a nice change to the other crap on the market.
“i will never drive a car less than 6 cylinders. and for a fact i say unless its a hybrid no car should be made with less than six.”
Damn, I’m 5 cylinders diesel, so near, but yet so far.
JAH, gas was nowhere near $4.80/gallon when I bought the car. I thnk it was around $2.25 for the highest grade premium. For me, it really isn’t a big deal as my income can easily afford the operating costs of the car and driving is more a luxury than a necessity. I can adjust my habits (which I have done) to lower my gas consumption.
The issue is that the middle class cannot make adjustments as easily due to lack of transportation options.
The problem with electric cars though is that while we won’t have the gas consumption, we are just shifting the burden to the power grid. So instead of paying $5.00/gallon we will see our electric bills go through the roof.
I don’t know what all the fuss is over this building. I don’t see what sets this building apart from the hundreds of others around Chicago that look similar. It’s nice, but not $800k nice (after you include the parking).
nah Russ… You guys are on coal. Electric is one thing you got going for you.
hey russ how do you like that ride, do you have the Touareg2? I really want one but am going to be holding off for a few more years with this $4.75 a gallon gas bullshit
remember only 2 years ago, if you said something negative about this building you would get assaulted on here. Where are all those people?
This building is definitely a nice one, the units have fairly good finishes. However, i wouldn’t buy here for a few reasons :
1. streeterville sucks. unless you really like timothy o’tooles.
2. a fairly sizeable renter population. Now, i’m a renter – not hating on this, but facts are facts, buildings that have a lot of renters tend to get messed up a lot more often.
3. price is too much; tons of more unique / better location options at this pricetag.
“I mean my unit is basically a cheap knockoff of this building (also about half the price!), and I like the action that my block provides compared to this particular block.”
agree with you about your block of river north, but you can’t really compare CMK to this one. it’s half the price for a reason.
“Damn, I’m 5 cylinders diesel, so near, but yet so far.”
Ze the last diesel i was in was the VW TDI toureg, I am amazed at who quiet and smooth they make them now. and with high rev power at that!
Old Diesel are noisy and bog down in certain gears/revs. same as 4 bangers, just noisy no umph.
@Sonies: I have an ’05. I actually really like the car. A ton of power and very luxurious. Nice and solid car. However, I would say if you are going to drop Touareg bucks you might as well just buy a Porsche Cayenne or Audi q7 or even Q5. They aren’t much more expensive. I was choosing between the Cayenne and Touareg. Also considered a MB g500 and I still kicking myself for not just buying the G Wagon. Always wanted one even before they were sold in teh US and it would have been the last car I ever bought, but my wife over ruled me as she thought it was too flashy.
The maintenance cost on the Touareg is not cheap (brakes costs like $1400 bucks!) but you get none of the pimpalistic benefits of having a Porsche/Audi which is the same basic car. The older v8 gas mileage sucks, but the newer v6s put out just as much power and much more efficient. I think I get maybe 18mpg highway on a good day. 12 City… I can literally see the needle moving as the car sucks down the gas… Super Premium only!
Bottom line… nice car, but kind of overpriced for a VW brand. The new ones look very nice though. Actually look better than the Cayenne imho.
The grid can get power for nuclear/natural gas which we have much more supply of than oil. Its not the same thing at all.
ROFLMAO…. G500.. now we are a talkin’
Yeah Russ I’d be getting a used one anyway (like an ’08), they seem to depreciate extremely fast, compared to other luxury SUV’s why is that?
hah i’d love a Geländewagen
so expensive though
and yes Riz, obvously a CMK development isn’t going to be as nice as this but the price is obviously waaaay cheaper too and like i said my place is like a Chinese knockoff of this one. Same thing though, wood floors, cement walls/ceilings and 10′ high floor to ceiling windows.
“Where are all those people?”
Sold at a loss?
“Damn, I’m 5 cylinders diesel”
Ford, Merc or VW?
Maintenance costs and gas mileage most likely. Most folks can’t afford to keep gas in the them if they drive a lot. I really only drive on the weekends, so it isn’t that big of a deal to me. I think most SUVs depreciate kind of fast these days but I honestly, would have a hard time going back to a small car.
Oh, the concrete!! The “wood” floor looks hard as concrete too, totally unforgiving. I hope there is cork under there. I can see some toddler falling and hitting his/her head on that floor … and ouch!
“Damn, I’m 5 cylinders diesel”..”Ford, Merc or VW?”
Landie
@ Sonies, have you checked out Volvo XC60? It has pretty decent gas mileage and looks pretty nice.
“Landie”
So, Ford? Or is it that old or that new?
As for the building, I have not been inside but I was interested in it. My Realtor however, is very unimpressed with it and thinks Legacy, Aqua, MPE, or MPW are hands down better value buildings. Any thoughts you guys?
“I can see some toddler falling and hitting his/her head on that floor … and ouch!”
That’s how they learn not to drink so much.
This listing is downright hilarious. But the best part is the rental ask price:
“OR you can also rent it for $6000 a month (includes the parking)”
Bwahahahaha!
“As for the building, I have not been inside but I was interested in it. My Realtor however, is very unimpressed with it and thinks Legacy, Aqua, MPE, or MPW are hands down better value buildings. Any thoughts you guys?”
Paying for the design element.
If you don’t love the architecture/design aspects, then you’ll have paid for something you don’t care enough about.
sorry but I can’t stand volvos, mainly because of the drivers of volvos
““Damn, I’m 5 cylinders diesel”..”Ford, Merc or VW?”
Landie”
and i bet your at the mechanic about once a month! dont know if desiel are more reliable or not bu the rover brand has proven not to be reliable at all.
a buddy had a discovery and the few years he had that beast it was on a lift always. he traded it for a, get this…yukon that was in the shop almost as much. Yet my Jeep only see a shop if i do something stupid.
lol…interesting. I was not aware of that stereotype. What are they like? I discriminate against minivan drivers and I am embarrassed of it of course : )
“mainly because of the drivers of volvos”
“So, Ford? Or is it that old or that new?”
2001.. been restoring it. New engine, springs, shocks, lights, seats, windows, racks, etc. The thing’s a blast! Slow as shit though.
“and i bet your at the mechanic about once a month! dont know if desiel are more reliable or not bu the rover brand has proven not to be reliable at all.
a buddy had a discovery and the few years he had that beast it was on a lift always.”
Groove:
I assume it’s a real Rover, a Defender, not one of those Americanized crap discoveries or a fancy Range.
“and i bet your at the mechanic about once a month! ”
Perfect! My wife had a Rover and that thing probably averaged 2 times a month. Need a $4 gasket = $2,400 to remove engine + $4 part. EVERY TIME!!!
Actually I have a REAL Landie… Made to fall apart and be put back together again on the fly. Truly indestructible, and this coming from someone that has worn out 2 land cruisers off-roading.
Ze:
Why not a ’00 Tomb Raider edition?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/motors/ken_gibson/32142/Landie-Defender-is-full-of-beans.html
Groove.. go 3rd pic down.. this is a smaller 90 class. Let’s see some soccer mom try that trick with her 4″ clearance Rover.
How has 340 on the park done lately?
Why not a ‘00 Tomb Raider edition?
Only 90’s and 110’s, I think. I pretty much decked it out like that though. Full brush guards and hella lamps. I wanted that car for years. Funny thing is, compared to everything else, it was cheap. Also down here you pay 5% of value each year on tax. After 15 yrs you are exempt. So I have that going for me.. gunga galonga!
“Actually I have a REAL Landie”
my bad, sorry, i went under the assumption the nearly all CC’ers roll in 2000 and above cars or the brown and red line, and on bikes to the cubs game.
“I assume it’s a real Rover, a Defender, not one of those Americanized crap discoveries or a fancy Range”
Anon (ufo),
yep my assumption was way off. (see Above)
“Actually I have a REAL Landie… Made to fall apart and be put back together again on the fly. Truly indestructible, and this coming from someone that has worn out 2 land cruisers off-roading.”
ZE,
sweet the good ol KISS method, less fluff less to break. I have not seen one in person but i bet if i popped the hood it would be old school were i would be able to get my arm in there with a wrench to take something off. Unlike my wife’s kia, dang stuff is in such a tight space i dont know how the work on those.
“sorry, i went under the assumption the nearly all CC’ers roll in 2000 and above cars or the brown and red line”
My rule of thumb, if it’s good enough for the Queen of England… Speaking of England.. that is some nice arse on Kates sister!
“sorry but I can’t stand volvos, mainly because of the drivers of volvos”
Same reason I can’t stand Ikea: it’s probably not that ALL the furniture is crap (maybe it is dunno), but the people that deck their places out in Ikea.
Electric vs. gas – I agree that there’s no comparison. Electric would be much cheaper, assuming you ignore the price of retrofitting our entire countty so we could plug in our cars. We have terrific energey resources for electric power right in the U.S. and Canada – no need to import from overseas. Natural gas, coal and nuclear, as well as oil sands from Canada.
If we do stick with gasoline-powered cars, there are also billions of barrels of oil in the Atlantic, Pacific, Gulf and in the Arctic all within U.S. territory that are currently off limits to drilling. Probably around 100 billion barrels, or about half of what Saudi Arabia has. The current energy crisis is not nature-made, it’s man-made.
“My rule of thumb, if it’s good enough for the Queen of England… Speaking of England.. that is some nice arse on Kates sister!”
Noooo, you watched it? i call an audible when wifey wants to talk about it or show me pictures of it. I will say that now all doors in our house are plumb and well oiled since the wedding.
also good utilitarian autos never go out of style. (well the VW “thing” was the kicker in that theory)
I don’t know about Range rovers fellas. I have a range rover sport for the winter, beautiful car but i swear everything electrical that could possibly go wrong with it; HAS. down to the little fridge in between the seats. even the air suspension broke on me this winter. It’s an 07. thinking of swapping for an X6.
LOL.. Nah, didn’t watch it. Was outside all that day avoiding it. But when I saw the commotion her arse seemed to cause, I thought in the interest of being a well informed person, who might need to discuss such subject matter at a cocktail party one day, I would take a look.
Funny you mention the VW. I was never in a bug until a couple of years ago. Friend tells me we are going off road and I’m thinking he is nuts. Thing is an absolute beast!! Over and thru everything, and quickly. I was very pleasantly surprised.
“Electric vs. gas – I agree that there’s no comparison. Electric would be much cheaper, assuming you ignore the price of retrofitting our entire countty so we could plug in our cars. We have terrific energey resources for electric power right in the U.S. and Canada – no need to import from overseas. Natural gas, coal and nuclear, as well as oil sands from Canada.”
i think long term this is a fantastic idea. just not sure what the costs associated with electrical fill ups every 150 miles would be – plus having electric pumps all over the city probably wouldn’t bode well from a health/cancer stand point. Then again, fossil fuel doesn’t either…and the Tesla roadster…*drool*
“I don’t know about Range rovers fellas”
Riz, we all agree with you. Piece of shit. Get rid of it before it goes off warranty.
i don’t get the buzz about pippa middleton – cute, but not hot by any means. and i mean, kind of manly forearms:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1382042/Pippa-Middletons-derriere-Facebook-hit-praise-women.html
I rent a 3BR Condo in RNorth – they are very hard to come-by. That being said, when looking for one last Spring, we came across a unit in 600 N Fairbanks in the ’01’ tier – same SF, same finishes, etc. They were asking $4,150 plus $250/month for parking. We offered them $4,100 including parking and they passed on us. It was rented for $4350/month including parking. $6,000/month is way out of line. My data says in 2008 this was rented for $3600/month. You can rent a 3BR in 55 E. Erie for $5,000/month.
As far as a ‘buy’ goes, I think it’s not that easy actually to find a non-loft, 3BR condo with 2.5 BA, with Subzero/Miele and have assessments be under $750/month, for $800k. I see them all the time in lofts, but typically lofts have some/all bedrooms drywall not to the ceiling or some bedrooms don’t have windows. Biggest issue though I see is $19K in assessments/taxes annually before you even get to your mortgage. I’ll be curious to see where these ’01’ tier units trade over the next few years.
This is why I presume many in this bracket opt for a townhome in LPark or something similar – more retail, similar money, more SF, lower assessments, personal garage (usually).
“Same reason I can’t stand Ikea: it’s probably not that ALL the furniture is crap (maybe it is dunno), but the people that deck their places out in Ikea.”
Go on craigslist, every single week there are multiple “Malm bed for sale” moving-sale postings coming out of Andersonville and boystown.
Range Rovers are cars for nouveau riche or pro athletes, etc.
lmao groove, you wouldn’t believe how well maintained my house is since this royal wedding started ..
“oh honey, did you hear blah blha” —- interrupt —– “oh gee I just realized that I need to catch up on some laundry and fix that gosh darn shelving unit I have been putting off”
“Range Rovers are cars for nouveau riche or pro athletes, etc”
I don’t think a car can define new/old money. Old money drove benzes. do does new money. old money drove rolls and bentleys – so do pretty much all rappers. Cars aren’t something that we can use to stereotype old/rich money.
“lmao groove, you wouldn’t believe how well maintained my house is since this royal wedding started”
LOL, its a respect thing cause we know our SO’s have to here about all the mindless crap we talk about, so we pull a side step and fix something. in the end we both benefit form the avoidance 🙂
yeah but volvos are like 95% of the time driven by douchebags that think their feces doesn’t stink and they own the road
thats a fact
Miu Miu,
You keep saying, my realtor, my realtor…Are you seriously in the market? I haven’t been able to understand so far what your needs and wants are?
What are you actually waiting for?
“Cars aren’t something that we can use to stereotype old/rich money”
When you see old money riding in a red corvette with red leather seats call me. 🙂
And no comment on the arms or face.. just simply kudos on the butt.
btw, Riz.. been wanting to ask you.. Insensitive that I named my dog Shiva? Thought it was a cool name but could see someone gettin pissy if I was walking down the street saying “Bad Jesus, No Jesus, stop humping my leg Jesus.”
“LOL.. Nah, didn’t watch it. Was outside all that day avoiding it. But when I saw the commotion her arse seemed to cause, I thought in the interest of being a well informed person, who might need to discuss such subject matter at a cocktail party one day, I would take a look.”
ok just check the rear view to see all the hub-bub, she is a well put together piece not a looker but keeping in the car theme she’s an audi “seemless and no unsightly gaps”.
“Funny you mention the VW. I was never in a bug until a couple of years ago. Friend tells me we are going off road and I’m thinking he is nuts. Thing is an absolute beast!! Over and thru everything, and quickly. I was very pleasantly surprised.”
for me u am still shocked that VW can do what it does and not struggle that much. but again its stripped down lightness are factor. add creature comforts and it will over heat on the first 20 grade.
“yeah but volvos are like 95% of the time driven by douchebags that think their feces doesn’t stink and they own the road
thats a fact”
That’s BMW’s I thought. Used to joke with my friend that the cover of BMW’s magazine should have a couple in a convertible passing another car with their middle fingers raised… Btw X5 down here.. US$225k
Riz,
I second that Ze, dump the rover once off waranty. Its a rover and the depreciation already screwed ya so dont worry about losing on the resale. just dump that tank.
“When you see old money riding in a red corvette with red leather seats call me. ”
haha, would someone with ‘money’ be caught dead in a corvette though? nothing against american made cars, i love muscle cars – But to me a 50k chevy doesn’t really scream Money – it screams mid life/middle class retirement treat for Dad. It’s about the same pricetag as a 3 series, which are a dime a dozen in chicago.
I’ll definitely agree with you about the stereotype though – compare cali to new york. old money tends to be much more reserved and conservative while new money had a desperate need to prove something. You don’t see 1/10th of as many red ferraris in ny as you do driving around cali but i’m sure just as money people can afford them.
haha, Shiva, i like that. I’m not offended, but then again, i’m not Hindu – i don’t see it as being any more offensive as naming your dog buddha..I think you could get away with naming your dog Jesus with spanish pronunciation ( He-sus).
just don’t name the next one mohummad…that would probably attract some negative attention. 😉
Sonies, the douchebag stereotype is strictly a BMW one, i think – when i think Volvos i usually think middle aged Dad or soccer mom. Bmw screams douchebag, i should know, it’s my daily driver.
Groove, ive been slaughtered on the resale. Probably going to get about 50% of sticker, but at this point am terrified of paying the maintenance costs on this thing. 38k miles on it so hope to dump it this summer.
Riz.. Get rid of it. You will go negative on it. I guarantee it.
yeah and let me add by volvo douchebags I mean napervillian type suburbanite yuppie wanna be douchebags
Awesome hood. Nice building if u like modernized though I like 550 stc. Streeter ville is much fun! Lot to do.
“but at this point am terrified of paying the maintenance costs on this thing. 38k miles on it so hope to dump it this summer.”
Riz,
Thats the reason i dumped my Rtag Jag, the repairs were killing me, and we frequent and i still loved that car but no amount of love would have me bankrupting me on repairs.
i think by the end i got thrown into “limp mode” twice in one month two months in a row.
“Groove, ive been slaughtered on the resale. Probably going to get about 50% of sticker, but at this point am terrified of paying the maintenance costs on this thing. 38k miles on it so hope to dump it this summer.”
All those cars in your family and no one said “lease the Rover”? I thought everyone (who might consider driving a Rover) knew that you *only* lease new Range Rovers.
“i don’t get the buzz about pippa middleton – cute, but not hot by any means. and i mean, kind of manly forearms:”
Manly forearms? WTF dude. Are you one of the few guys who actually thinks anorexic models are hot?
But still not that hot…the best makeup artists in the world indeed do wonders:
http://www.sponkit.com/tag/ben-barnes/
“All those cars in your family and no one said “lease the Rover”? I thought everyone (who might consider driving a Rover) knew that you *only* lease new Range Rovers.”
Don’t leases have verbiage forbidding off-roading? Or if not aren’t you going to get killed on trade in if you offroad it?
“All those cars in your family and no one said “lease the Rover”? I thought everyone (who might consider driving a Rover) knew that you *only* lease new Range Rovers”
I agree, benzes and rovers aren’t meant to be bought, but my cash access isn’t unlimited just yet, i bought it so i would get some money back later in the game, don’t think my old man will be leasing me any cars now that i’m getting into my late 20’s, haha.
It likely still wouldn’t have been worth the lease..was ~ 70k to purchase, and with about 40k miles i should fetch 40 grand for it, i think. 30k loss in 4 years as opposed to a 1k/month lease i was offered = 48 grand loss.
“Manly forearms? WTF dude. Are you one of the few guys who actually thinks anorexic models are hot?”
no way – i don’t like anorexic girls at all. Skinny on the other hand is relative Alessandra ambrosio is very thin – and has been at the top of my list for years..she is amazing.
“Don’t leases have verbiage forbidding off-roading?”
Off-road in a Range Rover Sport? Capable, maybe, but maybe 1 hour out of 10,000 of RRS’s worldwide is “off road”, and that’s probably mainly parking on the grass at the club.
Riz.. don’t think you were on last week when I posted this.. Wonderful!
http://omedi.net/2011/03/alessandra-ambrosio-na-capa-da-gq-brasil/
2/2 in Buena Park high-rise now below ’98 price (not s/s or f/c, since it was not treated as atm):
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/4300-N-Marine-Dr-60613/unit-401/home/13398047
brutal out there for condos, esp those w/ high assmnts and those w/o parking. this is both.
I have nothing to contribute about this building, but man, I can’t resist OT car talk.
Sonies: I have a co-worker who bought a used Touareg. He says maintenance is expensive and has been less than happy with the reliability (timing chain needed replacement at 70k, among other things). He’s since sworn off VWs, even though, apart from reliability and servicing costs, he quite liked the car.
Questionable reliability (mainly electrical, like any feature loaded German vehicle), high service costs, and a high purchase price for a non-luxury nameplate add up to steep depreciation. That being said, if anyone cares, I know a good VW/Audi specialist by the Metra in Glenview that’ll probably charge considerably less per hour than a dealer.
ze,
that made my day. Dear god.
“It likely still wouldn’t have been worth the lease..was ~ 70k to purchase, and with about 40k miles i should fetch 40 grand for it, i think. 30k loss in 4 years as opposed to a 1k/month lease i was offered = 48 grand loss.”
Remember at the time sub $700/mo “special offers”; was the cap buy down over $10k?
Also, sweat spot for the ’07s right now seems to be $38,9 and $39,9, so unless you have a sucker in mind, good luck.
how old of a touraeg beju? I have done quite a bit of research and it seems as though the touraeg 2 (post 2008) is much more reliable. Still hear they are expensive to maintain, but I don’t really care as I wouldn’t be using it much at all. Still postponing until gas is way below $3 a gallon again and who knows when that will be LOL
“(timing chain needed replacement at 70k, among other things).”
That’s the whole range of VW products–audi and porsche, too.
“if anyone cares, I know a good VW/Audi specialist by the Metra in Glenview that’ll probably charge considerably less per hour than a dealer.”
Also one in the city, near the Damen Brown line. All German cars. Good folks, solid work, about half of dealer cost on labor, less parts mark-up and they don’t forget to re-attach hoses–which happened *twice* at the dealer to the same car.
“Remember at the time sub $700/mo “special offers”; was the cap buy down over $10k?
Also, sweat spot for the ’07s right now seems to be $38,9 and $39,9, so unless you have a sucker in mind, good luck.”
No, i don’t remember that. The best offer i got from a dealer in the midwest was in the range of 950 per month with tax/title on a 70k sticker price , that was with very little down though. I bought it for 70k out the door with taxes included.
Right, well 38,900 – 40k i’m not really pinching pennies here. Long run I still saved over 10 grand.
“No, i don’t remember that. The best offer i got from a dealer in the midwest was in the range of 950 per month with tax/title on a 70k sticker price ”
Wasn’t shopping, just catching the ads, so I’m sure you are more correct.
Bob.. I’m going to buy the close today for no other reason than because I want to do something American other than just Dan’s sister. Please go bwahhh!!! in my face in 3 days when we drop 1,000 points. Thank you.
“2/2 in Buena Park high-rise now below ‘98 price (not s/s or f/c, since it was not treated as atm):”
“Ornate plaster dental crown molding”
If they are gold crowns, then it might be worth it.
“Still hear they are expensive to maintain, but I don’t really care as I wouldn’t be using it much at all.”
and when you do want it it will be in the shop, so yeah you “wouldn’t be using it much at all”.
sorry i have a bad taste in my mouth from having a 93 jetta for two years. and it was an auto tranny too, with a manual sun roof the i think i got carpel tunnel from.
“a 93 jetta”
Yeah, those were crap. Mexico built, right?
Sonies: IIRC, it was a 2006. It wasn’t one of the earliest models, but definitely pre-facelift. The “Touareg2” is at heart largely the same vehicle as the original, but I’d hope being largely the same vehicle for 8 years (floorpan, engines, etc) allowed them to work out most of the early bugs.
“Yeah, those were crap. Mexico built, right?”
most likely as the 90’s and early 2000 are mexico, idk but remember the passat was out of the same factory too?
““Ornate plaster dental crown molding”
If they are gold crowns, then it might be worth it.”
Haha. To stick up for Mr. Maclay, it IS the same root and meaning, after all…
“most likely as the 90’s and early 2000 are mexico, idk but remember the passat was out of the same factory too?”
Dunno. w/o checking. The build quality did improve over the decade; ’93 was still early days for Mexican final build for export, as teh giant sucking sound was still pretty quiet. They’d been building Beetles for local sale for decades on that line.
“Haha. To stick up for Mr. Maclay, it IS the same root and meaning, after all…”
The same root? All those dentile moldings have real dental roots underneath them?
Spinoza, I am very much in the market. In fact, I went to a second showing of a unit I liked just this past weekend. I feel the units I like are overpriced and the ones that are deals I don’t like. We feel that we might do better waiting for end of summer and see where things end at.
I think some of the problems we are having is due to the market condition being so unstable but my husband thinks it might be the result of me being capricious which I vehemently deny of course : )
But, seriously, some of the units I liked at the beginning of our search were in mid 700s and now they are at mid 600s, I feel they should be at 600or high 500s. When they reach that point, I will make an offer. So far every time we have made an offer and it has not gotten accepted, we have rejoiced in our rejection in couple of month. Honestly, I think some sellers are being unrealistic and chasing the market down and others just cannot afford to adjust their prices.
As for Ikea items and Volvo, loads of Swedes got both, and they are not DBs in my book so I have a different view on that. Also most my friends in grad school had Ikea furniture, I think it is just trendy affordable stuff.
Now BMWs, especially in South Cal. is a whole other story. As for Corvette, it means you wanted a Ferrari but didn’t have the money, nor had the class to buy a cheaper starting model Porsche. Of course this is a stereotype and not true for all. I know of a nice 30 year old Indian lady who drives a red Corvette and she definitely does not fit the negative stereotype.
I like men who drive Volvos, to me they are dependable and not too flashy. Make good long term investments, i.e., husbands ; )
“lady who drives a red Corvette”
Um, if these foreign cars are so much better, how come they don’t have a Prince song named after them?
I didn’t realize that Prince writing a song about something definitively made it a quality piece of machinery
That’s the beautiful part of it Sonies, the genius!
With Dan, a comment like that, you can’t tell if he is serious, joking, or serious without knowledge of the joke.
That, a bong hit, and some sweet and sour chicken… it’s the best!
“writing a song about something”
The song isn’t about a car… its about bangin some hot slut.
from now on, when car shopping, instead of reading perodicals such as consumer reports… I’m going to go to pandora and see if there is a song by a midget queer milato guy who can rock the shit out of a keyboard guitar to see if the vehicle I am considering is good or not
“The song isn’t about a car… its about bangin some hot slut.”
Who, just to fully explicate the “joke” and make sure it’s dead (like the second shot to OBL’s head), was an *American* hot slut, not some dirty foreign hot slut.
“when car shopping … I’m going to go to pandora”
Little Deuce Coupe?
Mercury?
Bitchin’ Camaro?
Mercedes Benz?
I just dunno what to do?!!?!!?
Recession Cars
Scion tC for the 16-28yr olds.
Hyundai Sonata for the 28+yr olds.
I got burned buying a new hybrid a few years ago during another summer of high oil prices. It has delivered cumulative MPG about 65% what was promised. Don’t trust them hybrids!
“It has delivered cumulative MPG about 65% what was promised. Don’t trust them hybrids!”
You know the manufacturer would say that is “operator error”, right? And that they’d be at least partly correct.
No that’s total BS. For city driving it is 50% of it’s EPA number. The EPA is complicit in allowing manufacturers to fudge these numbers under unrealistic conditions in order to push alternative drivetrains onto the market.
err unrealistic test conditions.
“Don’t trust them hybrids!”
Bob has a hybrid? Bob has a car? The mind boggles.
I should also have added “bought new” and “unable, in his frugality, to hit the EPA number” to the list of things that do not compute.
“No that’s total BS. For city driving it is 50% of it’s EPA number.”
And you drive in a manner that doesn’t get you honked at, flipped off and possibly shot at occasionally. Which means that it is partly operator “error”.
Try one tank of *always* focusing on maximizing MPG; bet you get it w/in 20% of list. Yes, you will get honked at, flipped off, sworn at and possibly spit at, but you’ll have a control for what’s possible. Can’t use your heat or a/c then, either.
hahahahahaha bob no wonder you’re so grumpy, you’re one of those poor and uncomfortable dopes in a prius!
Get an MDX. “Sporty,” better reliability than the Germans. I just finished my BMW experience, and I think I’m done with German cars.
“you’re one of those poor and uncomfortable dopes in a prius!”
No a Honda Civic actually. It at least looks like a car but it’s _SLOWER_ than a Prius (0-60 in 11.3 vs 10.5 on Prius). But at least any car after this will feel like a muscle-car so.
I wouldn’t ever be caught dead in a Prius at the end of the day I guess the look of the car carries sway.
“Try one tank of *always* focusing on maximizing MPG; bet you get it w/in 20% of list. Yes, you will get honked at, flipped off, sworn at and possibly spit at, but you’ll have a control for what’s possible. Can’t use your heat or a/c then, either.”
When I first bought driving like that allowed w/in 20% of list under ideal conditions on the highway. Thing is: 1) some fuel cells in the pack die over time, reducing it’s effectiveness and 2) manufacturer did a recall where they reprogrammed the computer on it due to too many hybrid battery pack failures–that reprogramming dropped it a few more MPG.
Overall not a terrible decision, but the hype on hybrids far exceeds their real world performance, at least in mine.
Groove – do you have a daughter? Because one day she, and your wife, will bombard you with all kinds of wedding-related stuff and you’d better show some degree of “interest” (especially if you’re going to pay for it)!
lamborghini – end of discussion!!
lamborghini – end of discussion!!
Not even for free…
whatever ze – keep fooling yourself
Pink Cadillac! (Preferably classic 50s-60s vintage)
“Groove – do you have a daughter? Because one day she, and your wife, will bombard you with all kinds of wedding-related stuff and you’d better show some degree of “interest” (especially if you’re going to pay for it)!”
chitowngal,
nope no daughter, yet. But i was told by my mom, mother-in-law and auntie that i was too involved in my own wedding and to sit back and let my wife “do her thang”.
so if i do have a daughter i will just sign the check (and the shotgun) and let her, her mother my wife), and her god parents (two gay guys hope the stereotype is true for this application) all work their magic to give my daughter a beautiful wedding.
Same with me groove. I of course chose my dress carefully but rest was all done by mother in law and the best part was that she loved me for it…lol
ferrari>lamborghini
MDX’s suck. drives like a honda accord v6. we have had 2. awful car.
PS clio-
i test drove a 2011 lambo lp-540 superleggera with my old man this past weekend. nice enough looking car, solid v10, but was still reminescent of an audi/vw in a lot of it’s interior and chassis – it just didn’t have the build and personality of the 458 italia, which he opted for in the new lease.
I’m sure the Ugandan and Indian clinics are impressed with the great use of the old man’s capital.
Didn’t know you were a communist Dan. Being wealthy doesn’t mean giving it all away. Call me when you give save a few lives. Hell, when you save one. Or hey, when you give something back, period – to this country first, don’t think you’re ready to go international just yet. Stick to butterfield maybe? plenty of talent there.
love,
riz.
Hey, just admit it, you and your old man would rather spend the money on a car to cruise State & Rush outside of the Cactus bar at 5 mph in a form of display, than save a couple of thousand ugandans’ lives. I actually don’t have a problem with it at all, just pointing out the reality of it. Cheers!
Meh, i guess so. life Is short, live it up, preferably not at rush/state though. yuck.
As a side note, and i know i shouldn’t, just wanted to point out;
regardless of net worth, an individual who donates time/money/effort/sweat towards a cause does so typically without obligation. Whereas giving limitlessly is a fantastic ideal, it’s not in our nature. We can’t all be mother theresa- if that was the case, there probably wouldn’t be starvation in Uganda, or Africa, at all. At the end of the day, we’re all human; and as much as some deny it, everybody wants a slick house and fancy car..or at least the capacity to attain such things. I respect those most who don’t make apologies and live how they wish/think how they wish. This is why aside from a lot of the hate he gets, i give clio props – he’s just being himself. You too Dan, you let the bigot flag fligh high – more power to you, better than those that hate from within the closet.
“if that was the case, there probably wouldn’t be starvation in Uganda, or Africa, at all. ”
Haha yeah right they’d just up their breeding rate to support the new (subsidized) equilibrium and there would be more starvation and more Ugandans. Think of it like bacteria in a petri dish where you add a bunch of sugar.
It’s funny there’s always Christian missionaries trying to teach “those people” how to dig a well/get a clean water supply and sure enough the information never seems to stick.
yep Riz… You said it all. Put a Ferrari next to a Lambo and one looks like a kit car. I’ll go ferrari…porsche…aston…then maybe lambo…
Truth is i dont like the porsche either since i feel like i’m dragging my ass on the ground driving it. But their GT results speaks volumes and must be respected. Formula 1 – same for Ferrari.
Hope u enjoy the 458… Sweet!
“better than those that hate from within the closet.”
Better yes, but you’re building off a base of 0 in order to get there.
“At the end of the day, we’re all human; and as much as some deny it, everybody wants a slick house and fancy car..or at least the capacity to attain such thing”
I agree somewhat Riz, but i know myself and my wife even with FU cash we would be driving the same cars (ok maybe a classic 56 chevy or 68 camaro in the garage) and have the same house just with one extra bed (ok maybe in a slightly better hood) and we would wear the same clothes (ok maybe just have a bit more of the same clothes extra closet space provides that) go on the same vacations (ok we might add two extra a year) have the same saving and investment plan (actually with that much money i might even get more conservative with it).
so with money really the only thing that would change with the grooves is wifey will bump up the jewelery she wears and even then it will still be restrained
Groove.. If I weren’t 5,300 miles away I’d have to take you up on having that beer.
Ze,
your the only one taking me up on that offer 🙁 and your in another hemisphere!
I cannot drink beer these days Groove, once I can, I would like to join you too. I even want to buy a beer or two for G so that he sees I am not really evil : )
Also for Ferrari vs Lamborghini debate, see:
http://cupholder.blogs.topgear.com/2009/03/21/ferrari-vs-lamborghini-the-big-battle/
I don’t know much about any of them, but Ferrari has been a real race car, taking part in F1 forever so I tend to lean that way in my ignorant state. Also can someone please tell me why would any one buy any of them in a country that has 65 miles per hour speed limit?!
“Also can someone please tell me why would any one buy any of them in a country that has 65 miles per hour speed limit?!”
instant attention. I am taking mine out later this afternoon and am always surprised at how many smiles it brings to people.
That is true Clio. I always turn to look at a nice car. But to be honest I never look at the driver. So it is the car that is getting the attention not the driver.
” So it is the car that is getting the attention not the driver.”
I’m getting old – I’ll take what I can get…..
mm… U lived in italy?
oh and mm.. A few days ago i was strollin the streets, lookin for wi-fi, and found a server named miu-miu…. Had to laugh, another nut with a penchant for overpriced bags :-
458 italia… nice!
I saw a white one around Clark & Chicago over the weekend, was that your dad?
That is funny Ze. I am guilty as charged with bags but I keep mine a lot longer than people who buy cheaper ones. I carry a Prada bag to work which I received in 2003. It has been 8 years and it looks still fab.
Clio: That’s why I said “most”, you’re the exception. btw, what’s the (effective) height limit on these types of cars? I can’t really see a 6’4″ dude crawling into one that easy or not hitting his head on the ceiling. Lots of shorty-type-guys can fit in them. I met Michael Andretti and he’s really short.
My cousin is 6’2” and has a Lamborghini so I doubt their are made for midgets.
Dan, My dad is 6’1 and fits just fine in the 458. I’m 5’11 so on the shorter side but still a lot of room. I have more problems fitting in my /’3 to be honest. I don’t disagree about the Viagra triangle posers, our family ( and most other true collectors)isn’t like that. We don’t keep the cars in our Illinois residence for insurance/tax purposes,so the car won’t be seen on rush st, thankfully. my old man and I get out to Ohio/north Carolina for track days a ton in the summer. I’ve trained at the BMW track for 3 summers,and have actually raced at both the mugella and monza ( spelling ?) track in Italy as well. I’d say I am fairly proficient around a track, an amateur nonetheless .
As far as being seen in the car, the tint is dark for a reason. Don’t need any mortgage from the dans out there 🙂
*//m3 and *aren’t. Sorry post call.
More hate * . dammit.
Ps Sonies it’s black, we test drove a white one though
I smile when I see the flash sports cars being paraded around here at the weekend, but mostly because I’m laughing at how ridiculous the balding old guy looks as he desperately tries to fight nature and aging.
Jennifer: No doubt! Why is it that it’s never a 25 year old driving those cars? Sigh. It never is.
Sabrina, I’m 26. How many 26 year olds can afford a 200k car? I certainly can’t…I’ll be old and bald by the time I drive one too :-/
Jennifer, what is the old guy supposed to drive? A caddilac? If you work your tail off and are 50 before being able to buy your “dream car”, no shame in that.
There are plenty of dream cars which don’t make you look like you’re so scared of losing your masculinity that you have to add on to it with a $200,000 piece of shiny red metal!
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Riz on May 4th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Jennifer, what is the old guy supposed to drive?
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ChiTownGal on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Pink Cadillac! (Preferably classic 50s-60s vintage)
I just saw a beautiful condo at 600 n. fairbanks – i may purchase it but would like to see other buildings first – does anyone know of any other building that has subzero, miele, and wolf?
Carrie:
You’re buying a property based solely on the appliances? Those can be swapped out in ANY property.
600 N. Fairbanks is an acquired taste (in my opinion) because of all the concrete. It’s not for everyone. Only 550 N. St. Clair or Contemporaine comes close to that same “feel” in that price point.
So if you’re in love with the concrete, floor to ceiling windows and modern feel of 600 N. Fairbanks- you’re not going to find it in many other buildings (with or without the same type of appliances.)
actually I guess i love everything about that building – I am a minimalist and love the super clean feeling of the textures and open space – it is very calm and serene and I have to admit that I fell in love when I saw that amazing roof deck – I’m putting in a bid this week – wish me luck !
Good luck Carrie!!!! I told u guys – buyers tend to buy based not on whatbisbthe best deal but rather what they like(for whatever reason) -once again psychology is more important than whether or not something is a “deal”
Where are all these psycho-buyers, then? Not enough of them to make your bet a winner, that’s for sure. Enjoy your last few weeks here.
there is no saying more true than “you get what you pay for”
you pay cheap- you get cheap
you pay top dollar- you get high quality – something we all desire in our living quarters
Except when there is too much supply of the “top dollar” places. Looks to me like if I wait long enough I will get more quality for less money. Supply and demand, baby.
“you pay cheap- you get cheap
you pay top dollar- you get high quality – something we all desire in our living quarters”
If you pay more than the next guy for the same thing, then it makes it higher quality?
carrie.. Which unit of yours is up for sale?
G – don’t worry, I’m not going anywhere…….
waiting to hear about my mortgage – boy is that difficult to get !!!
as soon as i close(if all goes well) i will let you all know about my gorgeous new place!!!
No surprise there, clio. I never thought you were very honest, so if you make it apparent you are not a man of your word and reneg on your bet it will prove it.
“waiting to hear about my mortgage – boy is that difficult to get !!!”
Can I ask what you are having difficulty with? Are you putting down 20%? Is your credit score above 720? Do you have W2 income or self-employed?
Good luck Carrie. 110W. Superior is pretty nice too with nice appliances. Legacy has nice ones as well.
Clio, buyers come in different styles and flavors. Not everyone buys based on falling in love with a unit (or its appliances). G, same applies to your assessment that no one ever buys in an uncertain market.
The market is determined by aggregate behavior of buyers though and in a slow one, obviously the majority are not of Carrie’s type otherwise the market would not have been slow. Also as Sabrina noticed she has a specific taste and few properties meet her taste, so there is less of wait and watch incentive for her.
“No surprise there, clio. I never thought you were very honest, so if you make it apparent you are not a man of your word and reneg on your bet it will prove it.”
What’s the bet?
G – why does my presence on this site frighten you so much? U really should see a psychiatrist about these issues…
Purely, from the stanpoint of aesthetics, I do have a hard time to reconcile concrete with drywall. I’m a modernist, and if you’re going to go all the way, then just go all the way and get rid of the drywall or don’t do the concrete thing.
I’ll bet you though that there are people who bought in this building and who decorated their place victrian style. I think they should be evicted.
And this person named Carrie, she is so very obviously bs’er. I mean, come on, don’t be so obvious.
i have no reason to bullshit anyone – what is with the name calling? can’t everyone be entitled to their own opinion? why the nastiness?
actually this site is so depressing – what’s with all the anger?
bye to all of you kind people and i wish you all well
“G, same applies to your assessment that no one ever buys in an uncertain market.”
Sorry miumiu, that’s not my assessment at all. Quit making things up. I don’t care what people spend their money on and I have made this clear many times. What’s with you and lying about me?
“What’s the bet?”
IAR reported sfh/th/condo sales volume for June . YOY up and I’m banned from cc. YOY down, bye bye clio.
“G – why does my presence on this site frighten you so much? ”
It doesn’t, but a bet’s a bet and a man is only as good as his word.
Carrie:
Sorry for this crude plug but 550 N. St. Clair is having a 10% off sale on all developer units until 5pm today. This is off our already reduced prices. Also, a free SMART car for 2 and 3 bedroom units. Might be worth your time to go into the sales center or make contact with an agent today. We have better floor plans IMHO and a better location than some other contemporary buildings in the area.
Lying? Man your choice of words is amazing. You and Clio share one thing and that is being dramatic : )
What figure are you using? Is this for City of Chicago, the Chicagoland Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area (PMSA) or statewide?
http://www.illinoisrealtor.org/newsreleases/july2010
“FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 22, 2010”
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“In the city of Chicago, June total home sales (single-family and condominiums) were up 27.5 percent to 2,526 sales compared to 1,981 homes sold in June 2009, the tenth consecutive month of year-over-year sales gains.”
Regarding the trend, here’s the March data, the most recent data released:
(no link)
“In the city of Chicago, March home sales (single family and condominiums) totaled 1,450, up 37.3 percent from 1,056 sales in the previous month and down 20.1 percent from 1,814 homes sold in March 2010”
City of Chicago. Yes, he actually bet that we would exceed last year’s d4d deadline juiced closing volume.
Moomoo, my choice of words was accurate, unlike yours about me. It’s not the first time, either.
Note that the developer of 550 N St. Clair is keeping their inventory off the MLS. Likely an attempt to make it look like there are less units for sale than actually are.
G – one thing you have to learn in life is that people are going to disagree with – and when those people are smarter, more experienced in a certain area (such as real estate), you have to concede. I have put all my cards on the table (in terms of my experience with real estate) – and this give people an idea of how much weight they should put on my opinions. You, on the other hand, spout meaningless data and are extremely sensitive and paranoid when someone questions you about anything. You really need to grow up.
“I don’t care what people spend their money on and I have made this clear many times.”
This is true about G (and has been for the several years he’s been on this site.) He has never cared that people are overpaying for properties (aka being knifecatchers).
He has also consistently believed that we haven’t seen the bottom yet.
“waiting to hear about my mortgage – boy is that difficult to get !!!”
Can I ask what you are having difficulty with? Are you putting down 20%? Is your credit score above 720? Do you have W2 income or self-employed?”
This is what I’ve been hearing from nearly everyone (agents and homebuyers.) It’s taking FOREVER to get the mortgage (and sometimes they aren’t able to get it even with 20% down.)
If you have anything even remotely strange (i.e. self-employment income, consulting income, 1099 income etc.) – it’s really tough.
“actually I guess i love everything about that building – I am a minimalist and love the super clean feeling of the textures and open space – it is very calm and serene and I have to admit that I fell in love when I saw that amazing roof deck – I’m putting in a bid this week – wish me luck !”
Why come on CC then and ask if other buildings also have luxury appliances if you are already in love with this building and going to make an offer?
I don’t get it. Why do you want complete strangers to validate your decision?
Miumiu was right about 110 W. Superior. I forgot about that building. That’s another one with the minimalist style and luxury appliances. There aren’t many that fall into that category downtown.
It’s basically:
600 NF
550 N. St. Clair
Contemporaine
110 W. Superior
Although 110 W. Superior doesn’t have the exposed concrete like the other 3.
By the way- prices have fallen pretty sharply now in this building. Maybe not as much as some other newer construction buildings- but many people are selling for less than their 2007 purchase price. The one bedrooms and those 3-bedroom units (on the southwest corner) appear to be getting hit particularly hard.
Why not buy now then? If you’re going to live there 10 years- why not?
“when those people are smarter, more experienced in a certain area (such as real estate), you have to concede.”
Our bet willl settle this disagreement soon enough. We each made our call and agreed that the loser will be banned from cc. That should pose no problem for a superior RE mind such as yours, right?
My problem is not with others’ opinions, just their misrepresentations and outright lies.
Anyone know if there have been any transactions in this building this summer?