Get 1920s Detail With Today’s Modern Amenities: 1116 W. Columbia in East Rogers Park

This 3-bedroom at 1116 W. Columbia in East Rogers Park came on the market in March 2012.

Located east of Sheridan Road, and within minutes of the lake, the 6-unit building was built in 1920.

At 2700 square feet, the unit has more square footage than many single family homes.

It has some of its vintage features intact including crown molding and a built-in hutch.

But the unit also has modern amenities that buyers look for today including central air, in-unit washer/dryer and parking.

The kitchen has maple cabinets and stainless steel appliances. The master bath is marble.

The unit is priced $62,000 under the 2008 price and $17,500 under the 2004 price.

Is this a real deal for the square footage and location near the lake?

Mike Frank at Keller Williams has the listing. See more pictures here.

Unit #2W: 3 bedrooms, 2 baths, 2700 square feet, 1 car parking

  • Sold in August 1998 for $265,000
  • Sold in May 2004 for $402,500
  • Sold in April 2008 for $447,000
  • Originally listed in March 2012 for $385,000
  • Currently still listed for $385,000
  • Assessments of $523 a month
  • Taxes of $6839
  • Central Air
  • Washer/Dryer in the unit
  • Gas fireplace
  • Bedroom #1: 14×13
  • Bedroom #2: 14×12
  • Bedroom #3: 15×13
  • Dining room: 20×14
  • Office: 12×9
  • Den: 13×7

226 Responses to “Get 1920s Detail With Today’s Modern Amenities: 1116 W. Columbia in East Rogers Park”

  1. Could be a good unit to rent to Northwestern students. Rogers Park is much nicer than Evanston.

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  2. Hm…not sure college rental comes to mind with this one, even if it is NW students.

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  3. “Rogers Park is much nicer than Evanston”

    its seems it may become the new boys town in the near future.

    awesomely decorated unit, great layout, and SIZE. Seriously the size of this place and the price and the upkeep seem like its a deal.

    now lets see how the CC’ers tear this one down?

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  4. If I was in the market, I’d be all over this one about a block away.

    http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1138-W-Pratt-Blvd-60626/unit-2S/home/26803218

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  5. Rogers Park nicer than Evanston? Surely you jest – and yes, I will call you Shirley! :-)

    Some parts of RP may be nicer than some parts of EV – but as a whole, no go.

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  6. wper — was going to compare your listing unfavorably to the featured listing until I looked at the price. That’s an amazing deal.

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  7. Probably a bit too far away for NU students (at least undergrad) to consider. A car would be a near-necessity for comfortably getting up to the Evanston campus.

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  8. If you were going to rent it to ANY college students (which I personally wouldn’t), why wouldn’t you rent it to Loyola students, as the campus is like 3 blocks from here? (but again, I wouldn’t buy this for that purpose)

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  9. “wper — was going to compare your listing unfavorably to the featured listing until I looked at the price. That’s an amazing deal”

    yea probably should have prefaced that it’s really not a comparable place. I’ve been eyeing it since it’s been listed…God I want it!

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  10. Wow very nice. I’ve always hear bad things about Rodgers Park but is it true that closer to the lake=safer? Or not so much?

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  11. I like this place too groove, but it needs some fixing up: carpets have to go. Bathroom and kitchen update will make this place much nicer. Oh and it needs some curb appeal. In fact I’d rather transfer some of the green from the dinning room to the front yard. But it has potential. How are the schools here?

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  12. My old stomping ground, Loyola. I spent 5 years of my life within a few blocks of this unit. Evanston is way nicer than Evanston. This unit is on the ‘right’ side of Sheridan ie. the east side. The end of the block is the lake and a beach. sure its a bit subpar for a beach, but i did spend a year in a very large 3 bedroom just across the street from this unit and this unit brings back memories of getting out of class at 1:00 p.m., grabbing a six-pack and strolling over the beach for a game of Frisbee. Sure, you have to wear sandals to avoid stepping in glass, and you need to avoid the roaming bands of wildlings (roaming bands of teenagers of all ethnicities/races up to no good causing trouble on the beach) but it was good times.

    http://g.co/maps/jxsw8

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  13. “http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1138-W-Pratt-Blvd-60626/unit-2S/home/26803218″

    I also used to live in this building in the 1990’s before it was converted to condos….rent was cheap, at least. at $130,000 the mortgage should be pretty cheap too.

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  14. “Oh and it needs some curb appeal.”

    rule #1 in marginal hoods, pimp out the insides dont touch the exterior (curb appeal)

    “kitchen update will make this place much nicer”

    a kitchen update is not needed, a different stain on the cabinets and paint on the walls will change your mind miu miu

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  15. evanston is nicer than roger’s park, typo above, but you know what I mean.

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  16. Groove, I thought about staining too. To me that is a kitchen update. I think the cabinets are fine as they are too.

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  17. gringozecarioca on April 30th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    for the price.. very nice place.

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  18. Disclaimer: I went to college w/ the agent.

    very nice place … the decorating is a bit schitzophrenic, however. Formal / classical in the living room, rustic wood in another, modern chairs on that sun porch. Paint looks nice except for the kitchen. blech. Tons and tons of living space, tho.

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  19. Gorgeous apartment, but greatly overpriced. These people are NOT going to get an East Lakeview price for a place in Rogers Park, even at this very good location in the neighborhood. This place is located on the blocks between the lake and Sheridan Road. It’s a pretty safe area and you are close to all the area amenities, that include many restaurants, coffee houses, the 400 theater, Loyola, the grocery stores in Edgewater, the Loyola el, buses downtown and over Devon, the shopping over west on Devon. Most of all, you have the beach just a few steps from your door. I live very close to here and enjoy it greatly.

    But it ISN’T Lakeview.

    However, as for Evanston being nicer than Rogers Park, it depends on where in Evanston. I know the history of the area well, and it was the south portion of Evanston that was blighted first, in the 60s, which spread to Rogers Park in the 70s. Many areas of Evanston have much bigger problems, so where you are in Evanston is very important, just like around here. If I can’t have downtown or northeastern Evanston, then you are far better off in the southeast end of Rogers Park, honestly.

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  20. “These people are NOT going to get an East Lakeview price for a place in Rogers Park”

    $142/SF is an East Lakeview price?

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  21. “$142/SF is an East Lakeview price?”

    You can get a (renovated) 3/2 in ELV with c/a, w/d and parking, and assess+taxes of under $1100/mo for $385?

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  22. Just realized this is right down the street from Leona’s! One of the best Italian restaurants in Chicago. Huge portions. That alone makes me wanna go to an open house.

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  23. “You can get a (renovated) 3/2 in ELV with c/a, w/d and parking, and assess+taxes of under $1100/mo for $385?”

    Forgot to mention–with no bedroom dimension under 12′.

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  24. “Leona’s! One of the best Italian restaurants in Chicago. Huge portions.”

    The only one that’s better is Maggiano’s–amiright?

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  25. matthewlesko, I think you are new here. Just wanted to welcome you and say that I enjoy your comments!

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  26. I like the look of this place and the square footage. I’m a huge fan of large, 1920s apartments such as this one. I’m mixed on the neighborhood. Lots of interesting shops, the lake is close, public trans is good. But not sure on crime or schools. There is a good private school nearby, actually.

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  27. “Leona’s! One of the best Italian restaurants in Chicago. Huge portions.”
    The only one that’s better is Maggiano’s–amiright?

    I know there is a lot of disagreement on this board but I am sure we can all agree as far as Italian in Chicago it goes:
    4. Pizza Hut Pzone
    3. Tuscany (Taylor street location for a truly authentic Italian experience)
    2. Leona’s
    1. Maggiano’s

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  28. “The only one that’s better is Maggiano’s–amiright?”

    gotta order it family style though

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  29. What, no Olive Garden or Buca di Beppo?

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  30. I work in RE and am on this block a lot for work. Lots of Loyola students, Starbucks is right across Sheridan on the corner. I like the neighborhood a lot.

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  31. gringozecarioca on April 30th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    I do think one of the best chopped salads is Carmines on North Rush. Ask for a little extra pepperoncini and a bit of red wine vinegar for a touch more acid. I could go for that right now.

    I once walked into Beppo, can not believe that place remains open it was so bad.

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  32. I know the neighborhood well and this unit should sell for under 200k. The whole bldg would trade for 1 million.

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  33. “What, no Olive Garden or Buca di Beppo?”

    No OG in the city, so it doens’t count. And BdB is a solid #5.

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  34. Buca di peppo is better. Nothing says i-talian like a big family sized helping of mostaccioli with red sauce.

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  35. I wish people would stop calling American style Italian food, Italian. I mean they haveTex Mex, so why not Chi-Ital or something? It took us a few years to avoid any Italian restaurant that people recommend here.
    My favorite Italian place is Spiaggia. They also have a cafe which is a better price and a more casual setting.

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  36. “It took us a few years to avoid any Italian restaurant that people recommend here.”

    You avoid Spiaggia?!!?!?!?!????!?!??!

    “My favorite Italian place is Spiaggia.”

    Oh, guess not.

    You have such sophisticated friends and none of them recommended Spiaggia? Maybe they’d have better recommendations if they had kids.

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  37. Does anyone ever find even a bit of surprise in moomoo’s comments?

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  38. @ anon, did you see the list above? I repeat it for you:

    4. Pizza Hut Pzone
    3. Tuscany (Taylor street location for a truly authentic Italian experience)
    2. Leona’s
    1. Maggiano’s

    The majority of Americans are brought up with this American style of Italian food and they like it. There is nothing wrong with it, but I think calling it Italian is misleading.

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  39. Anteprima is good for Italian food.

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  40. “You have such sophisticated friends and none of them recommended Spiaggia?”

    I don’t see how a rock-star partying, 3 language speaking, non liberal arts degree holding, ernst and young working, friend of miumiu, could fail to recommend spiaggia. mm, please clear this up.

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  41. “What, no Olive Garden or Buca di Beppo?”
    “The majority of Americans are brought up with this American style of Italian food and they like it. There is nothing wrong with it, but I think calling it Italian is misleading.”

    so pompei doesnt make it to this list? WTH?

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  42. I just wanted to see how you guys would react if you had some weird preparation of ribs say in Korea and were told it is Saint Louis ribs. All I am saying is misnomers are often cause of disappointment and at times just dishonestly in food industry.

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  43. “matthewlesko, I think you are new here. Just wanted to welcome you and say that I enjoy your comments!”

    Thanks for the welcome, G. New poster, long time lurker.

    Also, re: Spiaggia. I don’t get what all the fuss is about. No meatballs, no garlic bread – none of the things that make Italian food great. Also, really overpriced, but I haven’t been to the cafe.

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  44. all those friends with super advanced degrees and cool accountant friends yet that list of authentic italian fare flies right over her head.

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  45. and how did chuck e cheese get left off that list?

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  46. and for the threepeat:
    southeast evanston seems nicer than se rogers laura, what am I missing?

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  47. “anon, did you see the list above?”

    Yeah, it was in response to my smartass comment.

    Are you still living in the era of dead irony? Irony was infected with the zombie virus and again stalks the land, miu.

    “some weird preparation of ribs say in Korea and were told it is Saint Louis ribs”

    They could be St Louis ribs–“St Louis ribs” is a description of the cut, not the preparation–much like “New York Strip”.

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  48. She happens to live in Houston and btw, Spiaggia was recommended to us by friends who are multi lingual, in fact have advanced degrees and oh are not American.
    You guys have serious case of anti elitism. I just don’t get it. I suck at playing music, don’t know enough about sports, finance, DIY and many many other things. But I have a lot of respect for others who have these skills. You guys are truly product of a society that tells everyone they are special and above the average.

    “I don’t see how a rock-star partying, 3 language speaking, non liberal arts degree holding, ernst and young working, friend of miumiu, could fail to recommend spiaggia. mm, please clear this up.”

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  49. “rock-star partying”

    I also lived in that Pratt bldg for a short time, a decade before HD. We had a party for 2 days straight over Thanksgiving weekend that I still hear about from old friends.

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  50. gringozecarioca on April 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Yes when I used American flour, with American eggs, and American Ricotta, with American Parsley.. the raviolis just come out all wrong, practically inedible. And those damn American mushrooms with the damn American Chickens to make damn American Chicken Stock just ruined my Risottos. I won’t even get into those Damn gulf shrimp and crappy American squid with the non-real Italian imported mussels would do to my non-real italian frutti di Mar.. and when I couldn’t find San Marzano and had to use American tomoatoes.. blech!!.. the awfulness of it all.
    Now I will give the nod to HAVING to use real Italian Parmesaean.. Otherwise. I have had Italian in the states every bit as good as Italy.
    Also, why is Il Mulino in NYC so much better than the one in Chi town?

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  51. I love Trattoria Isabela. Eat there, people! It’s often empty when I go there and I don’t want it to close.

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  52. I hate to give away my top pick at risk that it might become more crowded, but Freddy’s in Cicero is amazing. Open since 1968.

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  53. Shamalamadingdong on April 30th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Kudos to this agent. I think the photos are great, along with the virtual tour floorplan. Way better than any I’ve seen lately. Love the apartment. Location is okay – not the best, but do like that you have the 147 downtown for commuting or a short walk to the red line. But nearly $1,100/month in assessments and taxes in addition to the mortgage? No thank you. Not for this hood.

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  54. The Il Mulino is Moscow beats the one in Chicago.

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  55. gringozecarioca on April 30th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “You guys have serious case of anti elitism.”

    I speak 4 languages. Nothing to be impressed about. Most of the time I am not even sure if I can tie my shoelaces.

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  56. “You guys have serious case of anti elitism.”

    You make that claim based on what? Groove’s choice of friends?

    I do admit to have a serious case of anti non-irony-getting. Ze–there must be a good word for that among your other 3 languages; help me out here!

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  57. “I just wanted to see how you guys would react if…”

    We’d giggle at the goofy foreigners, content in our culinary superiority.

    “”St Louis ribs” is a description of the cut, not the preparation–much like “New York Strip”.”

    Shhhh, this is more fun when someone is clueless.

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  58. “jenny (April 30, 2012, 1:54 pm)
    It’s often empty when I go there”

    you still not seeing the trend there yet?

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  59. “I love Trattoria Isabela”

    1. It really warms my heart when jenny says she loves, let alone likes, anything.
    2. Notwithstanding (1), isn’t this inconsistent with jenny’s worldview that eating (with the possible exception of fruit salad) is just another one of life’s dreadfully boring tasks that must be tolerated?

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  60. “You make that claim based on what? Groove’s choice of friends? ”

    dang it when i become the back end of jokes.

    “You guys have serious case of anti elitism”

    BTW i got that joke and its darn funny muimuimui

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  61. Also, terragusto had good pasta but really kinda assy service. Only went a couple times maybe 4-5 years ago. Don’t seem like they’d be that toddler friendly either but I haven’t investigated closely. They have a second location now.

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  62. gringozecarioca on April 30th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Hey.. down here they line up to go to The Outback.. I get the greatest looks when I tell people how much it sucks.. save for the bloomin onion of course.

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  63. Spiaggia, D’Agostino’s, Italian Village…all just splitting hairs. Also, did HD really buy a house?

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  64. gringozecarioca on April 30th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    “Ze–there must be a good word for that among your other 3 languages; help me out here!”

    Sorry anon.. you lost me at “anti-non”, double negatives hyp-mo-tize me.

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  65. gringozecarioca on April 30th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Also, did HD really buy a house?”

    Yes, but not because he thinks the market will improve, only because of his wifes nesting instinct and the need to call Bob his lil’ biatch!

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  66. ” terragusto had good pasta but really kinda assy service.”

    Yeah, seems like it was a reflection of the chef:

    “”When I originally put it together, I had a specific clientele— foodies who got it who had great bottles of wine and had no place to go,” Gilbert said. “As the economy tanked the demographic shifted. Those great customers we had were crowded out by people who didn’t care about the food, but could BYOB their Two-Buck Chuck.””

    http://chicago.eater.com/archives/2011/08/09/theo-gilbert-closing-terragusto-opening-new-italian-spot-in-bucktown.php

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  67. “hyp-mo-tize me”

    Hey that reminds me–I have a random, trivial question so off-topic I need to email it to you.

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  68. “Ze–there must be a good word for that among your other 3 languages; help me out here!”
    “Sorry anon.. you lost me at “anti-non”, double negatives hyp-mo-tize me.”

    German would be good for this, can make up just about anything and call it a word. Ooops, I’m not a friend of miumiu, don’t know german. I do, however, know how to GTHOOI: antinichtironieverstehen.

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  69. Yes, I bought a house. The classiest italian is sabitinos on west irivng park road, and I studied abroad in italy through loyola’s program and italian food in italy is different than american italian food.

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  70. gringozecarioca on April 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    “German would be good for this, can make up just about anything and call it a word”

    I can meet you half way with some Yiddish… Although I bet Helmut knows more than me.. I had to Google the Hassidic cheating on religion thing he mentioned. Starting to put the pieces together. Think he is a self-hating Jew. Grew up in an Orthodox – Hassidic household and he still harbors resentment for the curly cues and the fact his parents wouldn’t let him have one of those Chicago Cubs Yarmulkes that all the cool kids in school had.

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  71. To get back on topic: I love the proximity to the lake, the hugeness of the condo–room size and number of rooms.Close enough to transportation downtown. I think the access to the back deck could be a problem- through a bedroom. But I love the sunroom, and office as extra space, in addition to 3 bedrooms. I am wondering about the number of students in the area though. Could be noisy at night? Parties–etc?

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  72. “jp (April 30, 2012, 3:11 pm)
    To get back on topic:”

    new here huh?

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  73. Despite the legacy of G and myself (in different decades yet the same building!), loyola is not known for its partying. This area is too far north. Its about an hour commute to the loop during rush hour. I left work at 5pm all during my college years (work in the afternoon, class in the morning) and I got home at 5:55 or 6:00pm pretty consistently.

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  74. New– yes and no, just a quiet reader..
    Loyola– I went there- also, have college aged kids, I know the bar scene, and parties that go on in apts.

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  75. 38 minutes to river north on the 147

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  76. @ anon, interesting on the rib thing. I did not know that.
    @ Ze, sorry but American Ricotta on average sucks too as the parsely (very weak aroma and the leaves are often too thick). I don’t even want to get to the chicken discussion, unless it is organic, it is tasteless as hell.

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  77. “38 minutes to river north on the 147″

    Remarkable that the trip planner adds only 2 minutes for rush hour traffic versus midday traffic. My experience is that rush hour traffic on lsd is a bigger delay than that.

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  78. @miumiu, I’ve had some locally raised amish chicken that is quite tasty. Not organic.

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  79. “I don’t even want to get to the chicken discussion, unless it is organic, it is tasteless as hell.”

    Whoever is supposed to bring miumiu her order of wings, make sure they’re organic or amish or elite enough in some other way to appeal.

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  80. “Whoever is supposed to bring miumiu her order of wings, make sure they’re organic or amish or elite enough in some other way to appeal”

    also make sure to were a monocle and serve on a silver platter. if passing go collect $200 and dry roasted nuts

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  81. Miumiu: I suggest you elevate your standards to chickens you’ve raised and slaughtered yourself.

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  82. Actually chicken wings are fine even if made with non organic chicken as I like mine with hot sauce which basically masks the flavor any ways. I used to like the wings they served on some shady campus bar years ago. Don’t know it was the alcohol level, youth, or the wings actually. Have to go back and try one of these days.
    @ Vlajos, I bet you are right. I think I have had that at a place once too and it was excellent.
    I know you guys will hate, but if you are ever in Milan, try the “galletto rustico” at L’osteria Stendhal. It is too die for and I am not a poultry fan in general.

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  83. @ Chris M, I think I’d pass on that. Although it is a good suggestion theoretically ; )

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  84. The Aug. 1998 price is interesting to me personally, because back in 1997 my wife and I were looking in this area and that price seems about in the range we were being quoted then for similar places. This was before we had kids, but we were hoping to buy a big apartment with room for them.

    We ended up not choosing Rogers Park because the neighborhood was a bit too funky for us. We hung around there one afternoon and didn’t like the vibe. But that was 15 years ago, and maybe we’d like it better today.

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  85. The assessment is reasonable if it includes the heat. The taxes, however, are outrageous.

    Over $1000 a month combined assessments and taxes might be a real deal-killer for many buyers.

    I believe it will sell for $250K.

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  86. Wow horrible conversation. Is everyone here obese on this forum? Extremely strange ongoing food conversations, in jokes and everything…. I forgot what highschool was about
    Hahahaha about the extreme sarcasm on the italian food restaurants, you guys are so unoriginal.

    What do I think about the place? Its nice. I would rather buy a house or building in RP still though for this kindof money. But yes not many streets that end in a beach in Chicago, this is one of them.

    Does LL have Pratt Pride? I do, check out Everyblock to see what going on with Pratt Pride Fever,
    Ive got it and its contagious.

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  87. “Spiaggia was recommended to us by friends who are multi lingual, in fact have advanced degrees and oh are not American.”

    Exactly. Go for your “authentic” experience and not see one Italian in the place. Moomoo’s crowd are unauthentic globalist nobodies, that belong to nothing, and are interchangeable at any PR-driven eatery in any city around the globe. Nameless, faceless, products of globalization. Manhattan is esp. like that these days, if someone blindfolded you, stuck you at moomoo’s table….it’s likely you might not even know what city, country or continent you are in.

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  88. “Nameless, faceless, products of globalization. Manhattan is esp. like that these days, if someone blindfolded you, stuck you at moomoo’s table….it’s likely you might not even know what city, country or continent you are in.”

    Dan- you might as well go live in a cave. I’m sorry but globalization is here to stay and it is everywhere. You cannot escape it. This is what happens when you have technology like Twitter and Facebook which can now show me pictures of an earthquake (or fill in the name of major event here) within 20 seconds of it happening all the way around the globe. Amazing.

    A third of American teenagers now have an iPhone and trust me, every other teenager around the globe wants one too. As Steve Jobs once said- there is no such thing as a turkish smartphone. There is just a smartphone (in his mind – an iPhone.) The nation or society that builds it is irrelevant. It is universal.

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  89. Hi jeffo, my dear buddy. Good seeing you in here.

    Yes, I have “Pratt Pride”. I like living on Pratt close to Sheridan. I like the street a lot…. that is, east of the el tracks. West of the tracks, as well you know, things sort of go downhill, quickly.

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  90. SimplySexySue on May 1st, 2012 at 6:34 am

    Leona’s has big portions so that is why it is good? How very American.

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  91. Leona’s has gone steeply downhill in the past decade. I stopped going there altogether seven years ago.

    I’ll happily trade big portions for higher quality. Most restaurant portions are just way too big. When you see how many calories the typical restaurant meal has, it’s enough to make you forswear eating out altogether.

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  92. “Is everyone here obese on this forum? ”
    Bwaha, Jeffo!
    I’m 5″4 and 110 lbs of pure ripped, cut muscle.
    I’m a dancer and I work out hardcore every day.
    I LOVE me some American casual dining restaurants with generous portions.
    I once walked from Pilsen all the way out to Berwyn and ate at the “OG”.
    That’s our pet name for the Olive Garden ;)

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  93. ““Is everyone here obese on this forum? ”
    Bwaha, Jeffo!
    I’m 5?4 and 110 lbs of pure ripped, cut muscle.
    I’m a dancer and I work out hardcore every day.”

    groove just became single again, when are you back in town?

    Oh and juliana still wait for the link to the facebook page!

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  94. LOL, Groovy!!!
    End of May.
    So Dan, keep your restaurant recommendations coming!

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  95. Have been away for a few days; initially intended to chime in to the absurd Evanston v. RP sub-thread; then got sidetracked by the Italian dining and globalization sub-sub-threads. Good stuff.

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  96. “LOL, Groovy!!!
    End of May.”

    well its after mothers day so i guess i can justify it :)

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  97. “As Steve Jobs once said- there is no such thing as a turkish smartphone.”

    Right. So, there are just restaurants. There are just cities. There are just nameless, faceless, globalist automaton slaves to the mind-numbing homogeneity.

    Go walk Amsterdam Ave. these days in NYC, it’s nothing more than an Epcot theme park of “restaurants” and stores and imports from everywhere around the world. It has no culture of its own, and people pay big $$$ to lap up this faux BS, living like the very Epcot tourists they laugh at! Technology has nothing to do with it. They have the internet, etc. in Japan and it hasn’t sold out wholesale.

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  98. It’s the uniqueness of many neighborhoods of Chicago that make them desirable and expensive places to live. A sense of place that makes them worth caring about (to borrow from James Howard Kunstler).

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  99. Oh I remember one summer when I weighed 110 lbs, but on my 5″9 it was a bit scary looking.
    I was dumped and was feeling sorry for myself and not eating much…lol…good old times : )

    “I’m 5?4 and 110 lbs of pure ripped, cut muscle.”

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  100. “Oh I remember one summer when I weighed 110 lbs, but on my 5?9 it was a bit scary looking.”

    ooooooh, oooooh Cat fight get the camera ready

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  101. No cat fight.
    Actually a little envious of 110 lbs on 5″9!

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  102. “Actually a little envious of 110 lbs on 5?9!”

    as a dancer you would be

    as a male that is too scary to look at.

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  103. SimplySexySue on May 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    If you weigh 110 and are 5’9, we need to plan an intervention.

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  104. I said myself I looked scary. Cannot you guys read?
    @ Milkster, I looked terrible honestly. I have some photos at a friend’s wedding and look like a scarecrew : )

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  105. Hey LL. Good to see it (Pratt Pride). I really care about the area, obviously, I was just mad that so many food related comments basically ruined any conversation about real estate and Rogers Park. LL. Have you noticed the 12foot 8inches sign? I removed the stickers off of it with LABEL OFF and I removed all the garbage from the pole and resprayed it GLOSS BLACK. Really pops out now LIKE ITS SUPPOSED TO. Its not good to camouflage it with all sorts of crap because then Semi trucks get stuck under the EL.
    Yes Pratt Pride does suffer a bit west of the tracks. But I still work on the area just West of the tracks to Greenview. I need a buffer zone.

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  106. Also PILLARS SOCIAL CAFE is good for you foodie obsessed people to check out. Its at Pratt and Sheridan and its just now getting a remake on its patio(today). Organic food and Organic fountain drinks!!! Very good food. Like an upscale organic Panera Bread. Great Coffee TOO. Rogers Park is improving and real estate there WONT always be cheap. Some people will be kicking themselves one day when they finally discover what going on in Rogers Park.

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  107. SimplySexySue on May 1st, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Jeffo, besides an organic coffee house, what else is going on in RP? I find the area unique, but it’s too far from the loop. And give me a dollar for every person that said “this area is the next new neighborhood”…Uptown, Bronzeville, Avondale, blah blah…I think RP has the nice lakefront but so does so many other neighborhoods.

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  108. Well what does RP have? Alot. I wouldnt say RP is the next anything. It will just become more like itself. Rogers Park will just keep improving every year. No where else in the city can you live close to Metra/EL and walk to beaches. The lakefront in Rogers Park is IMHO the best BARnone. Part of whats fun about living in RP is that it is unique and so many new things in the works.

    Mayne Stage/Act One, nothing like it in the city, One of James Pritzkers pet projects, decent gastropub and great atmosphere and performance space, has valet parking too. Morse itself if coming to life after a recent streetscape. Heartland Cafe is an institution. Morning live radio shows on WLUW always fun to listen to during breakfast. Morsel is a new bistro set to open some time this year on Morse. New beautiful condo grade apartments set to complete by the end of the year, and this SHOULD be covered by Crib Chatter just to discuss Apts (I guess maybe not, it wont be forsale but it is on CHICAGO CURBED), Mayne ANNEX is the cool 5 story building going up next to Mayne Stage. The 400 Theatre is a nice little old theatre that was redone and you can get etoh drinks there. Check out Lifeline theatre and Theo Ubique, the Glenwood arts district is coming along, and B1E gallery is a great new gallery along there as well.

    Loyola/Morse/Jarvis stations are all going to be redone.
    Morse I know is closing for renovation in june and Jarvis in november.

    J Pritzker bought and emptied out and is renovating the FARCROFT, tallest building in RP on Fargo by the lake. Nearby is another projects of J. Pritzker, he is continuing a previous restoration of a Frank Lloyd Wright with the Emil Bach House on Sheridan. Jarvis Square is awesome, great restaurants and bar there and coffee shop. Jarvis Square is right by the Jarvis EL And nice antique store Lakeside Treasures, The lighthouse is a cool bar near the lake, cool little hidden bar.

    Howard is a work in Progress, Lost Eras is a great antique/constume store on Howard.
    New Coffee shop set to open on Howard soon SOL. The Evanston side of Howard is poised for a return as well, a wine bar is in the works and they are wooing a theatre from Chicago to relocate there, there is also a new Luxury APT building on Howard, ?415 Howard is the address.

    Lots to cover RP is a big place. Also the Gay/Lesbian Library is set to open on Clark street just north of Devon. Lots of the Gay/Lesbian Community is moving up here for all the ammenities and the cheaper rent.

    And Rogers Park is a work in Progress. So yes there is an upside investing here, because its not in the end stage of gentrification like Lincoln Park is.

    I didnt cover everything, too much going on.

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  109. “Well what does RP have?”

    Rogers Park has something very special indeed. I recently saw an ad for Gulliver’s pizza in Roger’s Park that has 1c mini pitchers of beer on Saturdays. Now I have to figure out how to get out to West Rogers Park on a Saturday in a way that doesn’t involve me driving.

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  110. “They have the internet, etc. in Japan and it hasn’t sold out wholesale.”

    What are you talking about Dan? How many Coach stores in Japan now? How many KFCs and McDonald’s? What is “selling out”??? You’re insane. OF COURSE they’ve sold out. All the world is the same now. One big giant world wanting the same products and things.

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  111. “One big giant world wanting the same products and things.”

    Uhh walk into any McDonalds in India and order a Big Mac and think you’re going to get the same thing. Or one in the Netherlands and ask and wait for a large size drink.

    There are big cultural differences around the world. Sure multi-nationals try to put their brand out there and make it look like a uniform experience, but they must adapt to be successful.

    “Dan- you might as well go live in a cave. I’m sorry but globalization is here to stay and it is everywhere.”

    You have a first world perspective. The kind of American who, like most, might be very surprised to learn that only one out of ten people in India use the internet. Or only 27% of Japanese people utilize a broadband internet connection (in 2010 anyway). From your perceptions I think you’ve never lived in a second or third world country for any period of time, Sabrina.

    http://www.internetworldstats.com/top20.htm

    Can’t post the other source but you can google it.

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  112. Yeah Bob- the McDonalds in India has different items. Gasp! Kind of like some McDonalds do in Alabama versus California (yes- it’s true. They try out different products regionally.) It’s STILL McDonalds and it’s STILL American culture. Nothing “indian” about the McDonald’s in India. Sorry.

    The globalization is everywhere. Same bosch appliances in upscale houses in Belize as you find right here in Chicago. Same granite counter tops. Same iPhones and flat panel televisions. I didn’t say the poor were affording that (heck- we give “free” internet to the poor right here in the good ole US of A). But it’s globalization everywhere. Dan was lamenting the demise of anything being unique anymore. That much is true except in some cities/neighborhoods where they intentionally keep out chains such as the North Beach neighborhood in San Francisco (although they did allow a Ben & Jerry’s to open there- so there you go.) Go to Paris. How many Gaps are there? Go to the Mag Mile. There’s a huge Zara and H&M there. Same that you find all over Europe.

    I never said there were gap stores in the poor parts of India. Just like there aren’t in the poor neighborhoods of the United States. I’m not talking first world versus second or third world. All I know is that KFC is opening up hundreds of restaurants in Africa now.

    You can’t go back 100 years. So why even try?

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  113. “Same bosch appliances in upscale houses in Belize as you find right here in Chicago. ”

    Maybe Belize but not the UK. True story I was once almost electrocuted in the UK for making the mistake that one could bring a A/C converter and prong adaptors and my US computer equip and make it work that way. Note to travelers: always buy your surge protector in your country of destination don’t try to shortcut that step!

    You’re just repeating back the KFC Africa story because it was in a Bloomberg Businessweek article a few weeks ago. A publication so lacking in interest they give it away to me and my boss for free and probably every other business person’s address they can get ahold of. They certainly have you brainwashed into believing what they want you to. It’s too bad they can’t figure out how to actually get people to pay for their newspapers. Then again if you’re buying YUM stock after that stupid article and YUM paid BW to run it then I guess it worked.

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  114. Go out to Africa and ask them about globalization. Or ask the ex-pats that work in the oil fields there how much it’s like the US. You’ll get a good laugh out of them.

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  115. There has always been and will always be those who fear change and cannot deal with the natural process of cultural evolution. Just think about language, how mant Italians can speak Latin any more. Is it a bad thing that languages die out or change or other aspects of civilization? I’d say not really but more importantly it does not really matter. It is inevitable. Dans of the world cannot keep up or reinvent themselves so instead they choose to hate. There is a beautiful quote by Gandhi: “No culture can live, if it attempts to be exclusive.”

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  116. Do you understand trends Bob? What Sabrina is saying (which incidentally Dan is cognizant And frightened of) is that the differences between various parts of world are diminishing as a result of globalization. She is not saying tomorrow all French will start eating Burgers but that even they are moving slowly towards shorter lunch breaks, having malls, etc…

    “Go out to Africa and ask them about globalization. Or ask the ex-pats that work in the oil fields there how much it’s like the US. You’ll get a good laugh out of them.”

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  117. Thank you Miumiu. That’s exactly what I am saying. And I never said it was all about the U.S. Duh! Americans are shopping at Zara (a Spanish clothing chain.) We buy German cars. It goes on and on.

    Bob- check out this youtube video from a KFC in Ghana. (they now have 2 in the country.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypPMORYM8yk&feature=related

    It’s globalization at work. There’s no going back. KFC is opening up a restaurant every 3 days in Africa this year.

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  118. “She is not saying tomorrow all French will start eating Burgers but that even they are moving slowly towards shorter lunch breaks, having malls, etc…”

    Really? I guess not everyone does read the news, moo. ;)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/francois-hollande/9237465/France-elections-2012-Francois-Hollande-gets-poll-boost-as-candidates-prepare-for-final-push.html

    There will be no global culture. Europeans, some would say rightly so, view American culture as bankrupt. The only things many think keeps us together are our greed, belief in upward social mobility and vast resources. And when you look at suburb after suburb of strip mall and sprawl of the same Levittown I can kind of see why. Cultural harmonization may be happening to some degree, but it takes decades.

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  119. “Bob- check out this youtube video from a KFC in Ghana. (they now have 2 in the country.) ”

    I read the Bloomberg BW article. But congrats on teeing up an un-PC joke for Danny boy.

    It’s a very narrow minded focus indeed to focus solely on the rapid growth of a small base of overaseas operations while competitors chip away at the market share of your much larger (and hence more profitable) domestic operations while you neglect investment. I wouldn’t own YUM with a 10-ft pole these days–it’s horribly overpriced.

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  120. “It’s a very narrow minded focus indeed to focus solely on the rapid growth of a small base of overaseas operations while competitors chip away at the market share of your much larger (and hence more profitable) domestic operations while you neglect investment. I wouldn’t own YUM with a 10-ft pole these days–it’s horribly overpriced.”

    Wow- you really don’t get what we’re discussing AT ALL. I’m stopping now.

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  121. “She is not saying tomorrow all French will start eating Burgers but that even they are moving slowly towards shorter lunch breaks, having malls, etc…”

    Well, what she said was: “All the world is the same now. One big giant world wanting the same products and things.” Even accepting a lot of exaggeration, this still seems grossly overstated to me. Yes, there are a lot of products that are sold successfully internationally, and increasingly so, but there are still major differences in culture, lifestyle, etc. even among say industrialized countries.

    MM, after all, we all know your international multilingual spiaggia recommending (etc etc) friends are vastly superior to (barely) monolingual OG eating americans. Surely they are not remotely the same as us? (I am, as ever, troubled to find myself vaguely on the same side of any discussion as bobhofer.)

    “Note to travelers: always buy your surge protector in your country of destination don’t try to shortcut that step!”

    Or perhaps buy one that can handle different voltages and that is actually marketed to travelers.

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  122. “Maybe Belize but not the UK.”

    Also, bob, that’s an idiotic rejoinder. Different voltages are the barrier to globalization? There, I feel better now.

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  123. “There will be no global culture. Europeans, some would say rightly so, view American culture as bankrupt.”

    I never said it would be American culture Bob. It is you who is assuming it will be. Not me. There are plenty of products and consumer goods that come from Europe and elsewhere that Americans consume. I buy Coca-Cola in my local Jewel that is made for the Mexican market (aka, the “mexican coca-cola.”) They also sell the standard stuff (obviously.) Why? It’s globalization. It can’t be stopped. It’s everywhere.

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  124. About 79 comments are not related to the topic at hand. I would think this was a very heated and interesting discussion. So that comes out to about 64 percent of the comments are food related drivel.
    Crib Chatter sometimes is not too fun to read. But I will continue to lurk and occasionally post anyways.
    Go Rogers Park!!! (How anyone would dare spell it Rodgers is beyond me by the way). Yes this is an overpriced unit for the area. I think I will live to see condos like this go for 400k though.

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  125. DZ, you have to grow up and make factual arguments rather than being snarky. I wonder if this is an extension of anti-intellectual culture that has been growing in this country. To be honest I have much more respect for the way Bob is handling the argument recently than you, anon, and groove. At least groove is funny.
    As soon as someone say something unflattering about a hood you guys like, or makes a negative comment about your life styles (be it something benign about people with kids are boring), you guys jump on them.
    Finally your anti-intellectual view point is not that far of HH’s fascistic views in fact some would argue one is the prelude to the other.

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  126. “you have to grow up and make factual arguments rather than being snarky”

    You mean factual arguments such as the (more or less) evolution of latin into italian and other languages over many centuries, many centuries ago, being evidence of current rapid globalization? Or pointing to the concept of “trends” to settle the argument?

    I did think for a moment about whether there were useful statistics. I don’t really think that per capita McD penetration or degree of similarity of electrical systems was illuminating. There would be some stats that would better address what sabrina/bob seem to be debating (e.g. tradeflows and share of import/export relative to gdp, etc.) than what they are using, but I don’t think it’s really the right question.

    Fundamentally, my snark was posing the following: do you really think that life in whichever foreign countries you are familiar with is very similar to life in the US? (I don’t have a good way to quantify or prove it, but I really don’t and I don’t think you do either.) Do you think life in different countries will be difficult to distinguish in meaningful ways in 20 or 50 years?

    “your anti-intellectual view point”

    I think you misunderstand us or at least me. And fwiw, you are one of my favorite CC characters.

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  127. SimplySexySue on May 2nd, 2012 at 5:08 am

    Jeffo, you sound like a little ambassador for RP, good for you. You can walk to the el and the beach in Old town and LP but all your other points sound good. RP has such a varied past with the Jewish history, it’s just far from the loop and ohare which what people need these days. On another note, I just did get back from India where I visited a McDonalds and it is very much the same except no hamburgers. McNuggets and fillet of fish and fries and cokes and ronald mcdonald and bright yellow and red colors. And LOTS OF PEOPLE. I also read an article that KFC in Vietnam is a “see and be seen” place. Only the rich can afford to eat with the Colonel so the rich tend to linger so everyone can see them eating.

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  128. gringozecarioca on May 2nd, 2012 at 5:26 am

    Down here, just in the last 4-5 years, it is amazing how much more this place has merged into what would be familiar to someone from the states. When I first moved here I didn’t even see ipods, now it is a smartphone everywhere and tablets to the left and tablets to the right. There is a Nike store, a Zegna store, an Adidas store, a Wal-Mart, Carrefour, Ferragamo, Nespresso store, Leroy Merlin, Louis Vuitton store, and on and on the globalization goes..
    But there will still be the Samba, the Bossanova, the beach culture, the way the girls walk, Feijoida, Capirinha, 41 days off of work each year, and all the things that make it different.
    America will continue to influence through films and media and the big companies and the products that they make are now global. Come to think of it. I saw The Avengers last week. Hollywood film that opened pretty much everywhere before opening in the U.S., “now don’t that beat all”.

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  129. gringozecarioca on May 2nd, 2012 at 5:32 am

    ..and Zezinho will be buying some YUM today. Bob, I am convinced, is Eddie Mush.

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  130. ““your anti-intellectual view point”

    I think you misunderstand us or at least me.”

    Guess i need to know what she means by “anti-intellectual view point” before I can judge.

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  131. From what I have seen, the life in other parts of the world are becoming increasingly more similar to the life in US. There is even an Idol competition in Afghanistan. I am not saying Kabul will be NYC in 50 years heck even in 100 years.
    Culture is a dynamic thing and propel used to get influenced by nearby populations. Globalization has changed it and change has been in works for years. Kids now for generations have been raised watching Walt Disney cartoon, Hollywood movies, and so on. There are more and more foreign foods available every where. Even in this country, people as closed minded as Dan eat Korean food. I am sure it was not the case even 50 years ago.
    Do I believe we will all become uniform, speak one language, have the same type go gornment no matter which country we live in? I don’t think so at least not in your short time frame. But eventually, I don’t know. Maybe.

    “Fundamentally, my snark was posing the following: do you really think that life in whichever foreign countries you are familiar with is very similar to life in the US? (I don’t have a good way to quantify or prove it, but I really don’t and I don’t think you do either.) Do you think life in different countries will be difficult to distinguish in meaningful ways in 20 or 50 years?”

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  132. I’d guess it’s anything She disagrees with.

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  133. “From what I have seen, the life in other parts of the world are becoming increasingly more similar to the life in US. There is even an Idol competition in Afghanistan”

    Shouldn’t that mean more similar to the UK?

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  134. Let me spell I out for you G, silmilarity is a transitive property. If A is similar to B and B is similar to C, it implies A is similar to C. In case, you still don’t get it UK is similar to US.

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  135. moo-moo – american idol was first a UK show, with a different name, of course. so was the office.

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  136. Quibble on :)

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  137. A multitude of multi-national brands in the fashionable districts of major tier one cities does not make for a world monoculture.

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  138. “To be honest I have much more respect for the way Bob is handling the argument recently than you, anon, and groove”

    Ouch!

    but again its the internet and this is a random anonymous blog about green zone real estate, that random anonymous people type random words on. Even the daft of us here understand factual and intellectual conversation/arguments on this random blog ar not going to happen, shouldnt happen, and who gives a flying sh** its a random internet blog have fun. pull your pinky in from drinking your coffee, take the stick out your azz, take the magnet off the ceiling and your nose, put down the latest approved aristocrat book you are reading, and just wait for CH or Ze to drop a funny joke laugh then repeat.

    BTW one of the most intellectual (and factual) conversation i ever had about economics and globalization was with a drunk Czech HVAC installer, drunk christian Indian (from India) hotel owner, and a drunk groove.

    and go figure as i have been to many fundraisers/weddings/dedications where the folks who run our state and city cant even hold a sober intellectual conversation about the weather.

    I can learn more from a conversation from a greek business owner that has a 10th grade education than my wifes family friend who holds a Phd in Economics.

    and as always THIS IS A RANDOM INTERNET BLOG have fun!!!

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  139. “I’d guess it’s anything She disagrees with.”

    See, that’s what I’m having trouble sussing out. I would have thought that my snark in this thread all seems to be of the sort that comports with Miu’s worldview–except the (honest) surprise that her friends/acquaintences wouldn’t recommend Spiaggia and *would* recommend places like Maggiano’s (and yes, I, too, do know people whose “favorite” restaurant at some time in their adult life is Maggiano’s, so I’m not shocked that random people would recommend it, more shocked that Miu would ask that sort their recommendation)–but I get nailed as “anti intellectual”. So, I had to pose the direct question, and hope for a response.

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  140. “In case, you still don’t get it UK is similar to US.”

    And both are similar to Afghanistan? LOL.

    Funny, but still a diversion from your use of a UK creation as an example of US cultural influence.

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  141. “From what I have seen, the life in other parts of the world are becoming increasingly more similar to the life in US.”

    Is it pretty much the same *today*? Danhofer said at least Japan was still different today. Sabrina said, nope, Japan is (effectively) the same already. I’d agree Japan and e.g. US will become more similar, but they’re really still v different *today* even setting aside superficialities.

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  142. “silmilarity is a transitive property”

    Not by any reasonable definition of similarity.

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  143. Anon, read the original convo. I mentioned my high earner friends belonged to that group. I have friends of all sorts. I even tried a restaurant based on recommendation of someone I met on a train. In hind sight a bad idea, but you see fundamentally I am of the view point that there is a possibility of learning something from anyone.

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  144. I am speechless and my husband would tell you that is an extremely rare event.

    “Not by any reasonable definition of similarity.”

    As for the globalization discussion, I said what I think and you are free to disagree.

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  145. Groove darling, Not sure this is necessary a reflection of lack of knowledge of the Dr. Econ or more your learning capacity :)

    “and go figure as i have been to many fundraisers/weddings/dedications where the folks who run our state and city cant even hold a sober intellectual conversation about the weather.
    I can learn more from a conversation from a greek business owner that has a 10th grade education than my wifes family friend who holds a Phd in Economics.”

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  146. “and hope for a response.”

    Don’t hold your breath. The moomoobot defines Her being as an intellectual. Same with Her elite, foreign born, trilingual, rock star partying posse. Anti-intellectual is how She defines all those who aren’t labeled as other “sorts.”

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  147. “Groove darling, Not sure this is necessary a reflection of lack of knowledge of the Dr. Econ or more your learning capacity”

    good jab, but remember when you have the opening you should be throwing a haymaker

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  148. “I am speechless”

    At some point, doesn’t it break down (unless you have geometric similarity in mind)? Or we can slide and slide down the slippery slope?

    “As for the globalization discussion, I said what I think and you are free to disagree.”

    I don’t actually disagree too much with the last thing you wrote on this. I just don’t think you answered my question or issue in the initial hofer-bri dispute.

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  149. “I am speechless and my husband would tell you that is an extremely rare event.”

    Really? In social/individual realms?

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  150. “Anon, read the original convo.”

    I’m sorry, my anti intellectual view point (whatever that means) is standing in the way.

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  151. moo-moo-: Being disgusted with the materialistic homogeneity of the nameless, faceless, belong-to-nothing globalist yuppie-slave crowd is not fear, it’s intelligence. Who is Dan?

    Ghandi wanted the British out, so India could be free, he was against globalization. He was also a racist, as his time in South Africa proved. He was also fought against Churchill just like you-know-who did, to free the country from imperial/globalist finance and culture, albeit using different tactics. There are alot of people here that don’t know history posing as typical pseudo-intellects.

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  152. See, Miumiu, “you know who” and Gandhi were “similar”.

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  153. “Down here, just in the last 4-5 years, it is amazing how much more this place has merged into what would be familiar to someone from the states. When I first moved here I didn’t even see ipods, now it is a smartphone everywhere and tablets to the left and tablets to the right. There is a Nike store, a Zegna store, an Adidas store, a Wal-Mart, Carrefour, Ferragamo, Nespresso store, Leroy Merlin, Louis Vuitton store, and on and on the globalization goes..
    But there will still be the Samba, the Bossanova, the beach culture, the way the girls walk, Feijoida, Capirinha, 41 days off of work each year, and all the things that make it different.
    America will continue to influence through films and media and the big companies and the products that they make are now global. Come to think of it. I saw The Avengers last week. Hollywood film that opened pretty much everywhere before opening in the U.S., “now don’t that beat all”.”

    Gee, great…..sounds really worth the 11 hour flight! I think a visit to moo-moo’s ancestral asian village or a trek seeking Ze’s shtetl origins would be more exciting trip. Really. Or a trip to the Ozarks to hang out with locals drinking beer, rather than be numbed-to-death with moo-moo’s pseudo-intellectual crowd who define their knowledge of the world based on expertise with restaurant menus and vinological origins.

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  154. anon(tfo): available at the library, read and get back to us with your book report. You’ll be graded!
    http://www.amazon.com/Gandhi-Churchill-Rivalry-Destroyed-Empire/dp/0553804634

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  155. ^^ Not relevant to my point.

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  156. Oh, yeah.
    That reminds me, Dan:
    Can you recommend a good Indian restaurant in Chicago?

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  157. lmao… Dan you are so smart! So wanting an occupying foreign power out is being against globalization? In that case, I am against it too. Who taught you history? Anders Breivik?

    “Ghandi wanted the British out, so India could be free, he was against globalization. He was also a racist, as his time in South Africa proved. He was also fought against Churchill just like you-know-who did, to free the country from imperial/globalist finance and culture, albeit using different tactics. There are alot of people here that don’t know history posing as typical pseudo-intellects.”

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  158. You know Dan, you argument and chain of reasoning reminds me of Satellite TV’s new dd: Don’t End Up in a Roadside Ditch.

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  159. So don’t feel bad next time I ignore your question.

    “I’m sorry, my anti intellectual view point (whatever that means) is standing in the way”

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  160. miu, do you know where penguins keep their money?

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  161. Oh and taking Groove’s advice about having fun. I’d rather be faceless than have a faccia di culo like you. The nerve to ask who is Dan?…lol

    “Nameless, faceless, products of globalization. “

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  162. “So don’t feel bad next time I ignore your question.”

    I didn’t feel bad this time.

    I guess I’m left with the refusal to clarify meaning that G was right.

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  163. Good try : )

    “I guess I’m left with the refusal to clarify meaning that G was right.”

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  164. “Good try : )”

    Major fail.

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  165. “Oh and taking Groove’s advice about having fun”

    i dont think your friends will let you back in the circle if you take advice from a simpleton.

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  166. Don’t project your anti-intellectual viewpoint back on my friends. Love of learning and critical reasoning in fact encourages one to learn from everyone. It is you guys who think sophistication precludes appreciation of substance wherever and in whatever form it is.

    You are the people who don’t want to live near the poor, have your kids go to school with cleaning lady’s kid, think one needs to have a 100K income to live happily in Chicago. Declare people are boring because they are educated and so on.

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  167. “You are the people who don’t want to live near the poor, have your kids go to school with cleaning lady’s kid, think one needs to have a 100K income to live happily in Chicago.”

    You’re saying that to *GROOVE*?!!?!!?!? I think you need to re-evaluate your targeting algorithm.

    [btw, Why are they called algorithms? Because Al Gore invented them just before he invented the internet!!]

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  168. What sophistication?

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  169. “Don’t project your anti-intellectual viewpoint back on my friends.”

    Are we similar to your friends?

    “silmilarity is a transitive property”
    “Not by any reasonable definition of similarity”

    Aww, crap, a reasonable defn of similarity that is transitive came to mind. Defn: Two people are similar if they have the same preference ordering over a set of choices (they’re not identical in that the intensity of preferences for different choices, assuming we can make interpersonal comparisons, differs). This is transitive. My substantive point stands, however for almost all reasonable defns, which I think would mostly go along the lines of similar being when something is close to, within X percent, of something else.

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  170. I’m not sure who’s more upset about this thread, miumiu or jeffo.

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  171. I’m starting to feel like things are being run thru 6 or 8 google translate cycles.

    via (the obv. v. imperfect) google translate:

    Sophistication to Italian to French to German to Chinese to English = Elaboration

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  172. “You are the people who don’t want to live near the poor, have your kids go to school with cleaning lady’s kid, think one needs to have a 100K income to live happily in Chicago. Declare people are boring because they are educated and so on.”

    Wow swing and a miss on that one.
    *never declared educated people are boring just saying snobby educated folk are boring
    *seriously do you not know the neighborhood i live in?
    *Mother in law is a eastern european immigrant so she IS THE CLEANING LADY
    *have you not read my post before? am i not the one saying on can do well in the chi with 50-60k a year
    *and again seriously do you not know where i live?

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  173. Nonchatterer on May 2nd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Do people have arguments like this in Cary?

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  174. Oh, just realized something:

    “I mentioned my high earner friends belonged to that group [recommending shitty restaurants].”

    Apparently, through transitive properties, “high earner” = intellectual = sophisticated.

    If no one else, Ze disproves that one.

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  175. I still disagree on your first point. Snobs can be annoying but boring, not sure. I find ignorant people much more boring and in fact more damaging to the society as a whole. I prefer a snob with something to say any day.
    As for all the other points good to see we see eye to eye. I just remember some of you regulars always make anti poor comments. It annoys me that liking good food, education, science, knowing languages, not wanting chemicals in your food makes you a snob on this forum, and unfortunately for most part in this country. It is just sad. I also find it pathetic that people assume just because someone is poor or rich they are less ethical, talented and so on. I have ton of flaws, but one thing I am proud of is that I never look down on anyone and assume the worst about them based on stereo types. So you lot calling me a snob is as you said “swing and miss on that one”.

    “*never declared educated people are boring just saying snobby educated folk are boring
    *seriously do you not know the neighborhood i live in?
    *Mother in law is a eastern european immigrant so she IS THE CLEANING LADY
    *have you not read my post before? am i not the one saying on can do well in the chi with 50-60k a year
    *and again seriously do you not know where i live?”

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  176. BTW, this statement is another stereo type. I work with ton of Russians, Poles and Hungarians and believe me except one of them (A Serbian) whose mother was in fact a cleaning lady in Germany, most have very educated parents. I have to say I have the most admiration for the one with the cleaning lady mum as she earned everything in life on her own merit and the mother is one kick ass lady. I say worth more than 20 Dans.

    “*Mother in law is a eastern european immigrant so she IS THE CLEANING LADY”

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  177. “It annoys me that liking good food, education, science, knowing languages, not wanting chemicals in your food makes you a snob on this forum”

    that doesnt make one a snob,

    this is what makes one a snob (between asterisks)

    “Miumiu (April 20, 2012, 8:22 pm)
    I find conversation with smart, worldly people, *most of which speak at least 3 languages, have lived in various parts of the world, have excellent taste in dining and wining*, are well read quite nice”

    and this

    “miumiu (April 22, 2012, 9:26 am)
    *My husband an Italian who lived in Italy until he was in his mid twenties is the outsider looking for authentic Italian? Just go eat your deep dish and ask for “broo-SHE-tah” next time you are eating at Olive Garden…lmao*

    plus this and was the places they worked and title they had relevant to the conversation?

    “miumiu (April 22, 2012, 9:22 am)
    I know 2 and they are both super interesting. Both women though, one is actually an accountancy Prof. and the other used to work for Ernst and Young but now is some sort of a tax expert for a company.”

    and this one

    “Miumiu (May 2, 2012, 9:22 am)
    Groove darling, Not sure this is necessary a reflection of lack of knowledge of the Dr. Econ or more your learning capacity”

    also this

    “Milkster (May 1, 2012, 10:12 am)
    I’m 5?4 and 110 lbs of pure ripped, cut muscle.
    I’m a dancer and I work out hardcore every day.”

    oops sorry that last one wasnt you. i guess still on my pervy mind

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  178. “BTW, this statement is another stereo type”

    yep it is,
    but guess what my wife did when she first came to the “states”, yep cleaning lady.
    Guess what my mother in -aw does for a living right now, yep cleaning lady
    Guess what my grandmother in-law did before she retired, sorry wrong not cleaning lady but close but a home care worker.

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  179. BTW

    i say this place will close at $367k in 3 months :)

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  180. You cannot just quote out of context. Did you get a job at Fox News?

    The statement *My husband an Italian who lived in Italy until he was in his mid twenties is the outsider looking for authentic Italian? Just go eat your deep dish and ask for “broo-SHE-tah” next time you are eating at Olive Garden…lmao* was in response to Dan saying “Miumiu’s crowd is a bunch of wannabes, always outsiders looking-in, and they will always be this way. That’s why they are always seeking the “authentic” Italian place to eat, then the “real” sushi place, etc. They aren’t anything. They may be smart enough to achieve a more than superficial level of knowledge, but that won’t make them real, or truly accepted by the real people when it gets down to it.”
    I am sorry I find it funny that someone would fault an Italian wanting to eat the food he is brought up and likes.

    and really you are nagging about this?
    “Groove darling, Not sure this is necessary a reflection of lack of knowledge of the Dr. Econ or more your learning capacity”
    You cannot live in a glass house and throw stones. You taking jabs is all good fun but I cannot return the favor. I mean seriously? Man you have double standards.

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  181. ” I just remember some of you regulars always make anti poor comments.”

    You called out three of us. I DARE you to find a (non-sarcastic) “anti poor” comment by any one of the three of us.

    If you do, I’ll make a donation (and/or match any donation made by DZ and Groove) to any “for the poor” charity of your chioce, Miu.

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  182. So that makes all eastern Europeans cleaning ladies? BTW, for your info most women except the very rich at our grandmother’s generation were cleaning ladies as they used to stay at home and clean.

    “yep it is,
    but guess what my wife did when she first came to the “states”, yep cleaning lady.
    Guess what my mother in -aw does for a living right now, yep cleaning lady
    Guess what my grandmother in-law did before she retired, sorry wrong not cleaning lady but close but a home care worker.”

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  183. I called 3 of you about making snarky comments about my friends. See “Miumiu (May 1, 2012, 11:58 pm).”
    Seriously, I had enough of this anon. You are the spin master. It it makes you happy. There you go. The title is yours.
    I recall someone commenting about not wanting his kid to go to school with cleaning ladies kid. Don’t remember who, but I am sure it was not you so chill.f

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  184. This conversation goes into the wiki as one of the top 10 dumbest conversations ever. I’m just waiting for Sonies to chime in.

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  185. “I called 3 of you about making snarky comments about my friends.”

    Yes, and then proceeded to have a conversation with the three of us (with a toss in from G) which then lead to you posting, in a repsonse to Groove:

    ” I just remember some of you regulars always make anti poor comments.”

    If you weren’t directing that at the three of us (and perhaps G), who the hell *were* you talking to?

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  186. Take anti paranoia medication. Not my problem if you read things that were not written.

    “If you weren’t directing that at the three of us (and perhaps G), who the hell *were* you talking to?”

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  187. helmethofer on May 2nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    “anti poor comments”

    ?

    Miu Miu is a high fashion brand from the Prada fashion hou$e.

    LOL!! The only people who buy that stuff, are….sad to say it, but it’s true: Asians (Japanese tourists, Chinese). In Italy, no authentic person wears that stuff.

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  188. @ HH, lol…thanks for your enlightening comment on my moniker. Again your logic skills baffle me : )
    Now call me elitist or whatever you please, but this is what happens when people have not had traning in deductive reasoning.

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  189. “I never look down on anyone and assume the worst about them based on stereo types.”

    Take anti delusion medicine.

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  190. ” this is what happens when people have not had traning in deductive reasoning”

    Yeah, that’s the ticket…

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  191. lol…gotta love G “butting in” when he was not long ago nagging about me doing the same. See G, I am fine with it. it is a public forum you are entitled to responds to posts : ) On that note I bid you all farewell as I need to go pump milk for my baby and don’t want to have stress hormones released in it. Oops sorry if that bothers your sensitivities.

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  192. Look, miumiu, I think you’re kinda snobby. And I think you know you’re kinda snobby and you don’t think there’s anything particularly wrong with that. You should just embrace it. This is one of your things on CC (like @fo’s is a laser focus on lot sizes).

    I don’t think it’s the worst thing in the world, but it is a tempting target for snarkery. Yes, I, and perhaps others, can be quick to snark. You can too sometimes. The snob-snark is one of your signature moves (see, e.g., “this is what happens when people have not had traning in deductive reasoning”).

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  193. “gotta love G “butting in” when he was not long ago nagging about me doing the same.”

    No, it was your uninformed interruptions that I called you out on. That’s why you stopped. Sad, really, since I rather enjoy pointing them out.

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  194. SimplySexySue on May 2nd, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    My husband’s a snob. But he’s still great. Snobbery is underrated. It keeps people on their toes. My husband quit being friends with a guy that lost a michelin star–who wants to be friends with a loser that can’t keep a star?, he reasoned. He has a point.

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  195. If you turn the sound off, it looks like a perfectly normal conversation between several batshit insane people.

    well you know what i mean :D

    “This conversation goes into the wiki as one of the top 10 dumbest conversations ever. I’m just waiting for Sonies to chime in.”

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  196. “conversation between several batshit insane people”

    Glad you finally joined the meeting, Icarus. Now we just need Bob and Sonies to have a quorum.

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  197. “You cannot just quote out of context. Did you get a job at Fox News?”

    in a internet blog its hard to draw or explain the context when quoting.

    but those quotes when read with in the context of the other listings post actually make you look worse.

    “You cannot live in a glass house and throw stones. You taking jabs is all good fun but I cannot return the favor. I mean seriously? Man you have double standards.”

    you do know forever on i will bring up the jab you took at me. its all in good fun

    “So that makes all eastern Europeans cleaning ladies? BTW, for your info most women except the very rich at our grandmother’s generation were cleaning ladies as they used to stay at home and clean.”

    its just a sterotype, and i am ok with that.
    and yes my mom was a stay at home mom and my wife is a stay at home mom so in general theory they are cleaning ladies and keeping it real to our grandmother’s generation.
    this dual income both parents working generation is f’ing up the world IMO. and dont take it a sexist as i see nothing wrong with the man being the stay at home mom.

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  198. gringozecarioca on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    “who wants to be friends with a loser that can’t keep a star?, he reasoned. He has a point.”

    Ze will take surrounding himself with good honest people that you know will be there for you when times are good or times are bad.
    Pappa Ze always told me.. when times are good everyone wants to be around you. When times are bad you learn who your friends are.
    6 degrees ain’t goin to impress me… being there for someone when the shit hits the fan. That’s what shows character. Standing behind your actions despite consequences.. that’s what I like. That’s what makes a Man. Most uber intelligent people fold like an accordion when presented with life’s difficulties, the answers for those moments just are not in a book on their shelf. Worthless!

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  199. gringozecarioca on May 2nd, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    “Apparently, through transitive properties, “high earner” = intellectual = sophisticated.
    If no one else, Ze disproves that one.”

    So I’ve been thrown out of a few restaurants in my day, before the 10th tasting plate…what’s your point?? :-)

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  200. “Glad you finally joined the meeting, Icarus. Now we just need Bob and Sonies to have a quorum.”

    speaking of sonies, where the heck is he?

    the guy finally buys a car and then just drives away? wait he bought a VW right? i bet his time is spent on DIY VW mechanic forums. those VW’s are POS

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  201. gringozecarioca on May 2nd, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “the guy finally buys a car and then just drives away? wait he bought a VW right? i bet his time is spent on DIY VW mechanic forums. those VW’s are POS”

    Much worse.. he went for the Rover..

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  202. “speaking of sonies, where the heck is he?”

    Still recovering from Dark Lord Day.

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  203. “This conversation goes into the wiki as one of the top 10 dumbest conversations ever..”

    impossible, no clambo

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  204. I don’t think this place is worth much (if anything) more than the $310 for 1133 W Pratt (4/2.5); older kitchen but more beds/baths and (private?) deck…all the more so considering the subject place’s insane tax bill.

    Also: 1142 W Morse #3W just went for 165k in short sale. smaller, a few blocks further north (ie worse) and not as nice, but had all of sabrina’s big 3: cac, deeded parking, in unit w/d

    http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1142-W-Morse-Ave-60626/unit-3W/home/12687877

    SE RP still has its pluses, esp for those like me who really value the lake access, but as with “Sheridan Park” in Uptown, it’s an area that got WAY overvalued during the bubble (see: 400k+ price tags for this place) and is crashing back down to reality.

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  205. 1142 w Morse, north therefore Worse? I wouldnt say that necessarily.
    Thats not that much further north and we arent talking about NOH (North of Howard).
    That stretch of Morse is doing very well now, that is a very good price for a decent condo on Morse
    with parking.

    Wow I had to slog through probably the most inane internet conversation to get to that last comment.
    Percent of nonsense is 75-80 percent now of the comments. Congrats CC nuts. :)
    Its like Jacobs Ladder or something in here now.

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  206. Best comment in this thread:

    Dan (aka Helmethofer) asking “Who’s Dan?”

    Ha! Ha!

    :)

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  207. “LOL!! The only people who buy that stuff, are….sad to say it, but it’s true: Asians (Japanese tourists, Chinese). In Italy, no authentic person wears that stuff.”

    Why did you edit out “JAPs” from the original post? ???? Trixies do not wear or buy Miu Miu, however the Miu Miu is in Barney’s. That equals JAPs, not hipsters, not Trixies, but JAPs. Fact. They exist, go visit Barney’s. Why is this so controversial? I don’t get it…..signed, Dean (not Dan) Olds

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  208. “Why did you edit out “JAPs” from the original post? ????”

    Dan: I’m deleting any of your posts where you say JAP because I find it offensive. In this comment- I just edited it out and left the rest of it. So if you want your posts deleted- keep using it.

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  209. JAPs exist just like Trixies do. We have a Chinatown in Chicago, Big Ten frat boys like NCAA games on Lincoln Ave., and JAPs shop on Oak Street. This denial is puzzling. I speak the truth, you deny.

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  210. gringozecarioca on May 3rd, 2012 at 5:28 am

    “If no one else, Ze disproves that one.””

    anon.. for the record.. no such disdain for words like intelligent, brilliant, or even genius (although something comical to that one). Simply, to me, intellectual carries a stigma of an unwillingness to implement and thus cowardice. It’s OK for a 74 yr old senior partner in a law firm that is already accomplished and wants to sit around studying laws of ancient sumaria, but for a 32 yr old, just a bad word.
    ’nuff said.

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  211. ” I don’t get it…..signed, Dean (not Dan) Olds”
    Dan, “helmethofer” is a rather odd choice of moniker given this:
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-02-24/news/9502240187_1_murder-trial-father-window
    I had never heard of Dean Olds and had to Google him.
    Very sad and creepy story.
    Interesting deet about Marina Towers at the end of the article.

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  212. helmethofer is a creepy ass dude, then signs off as dean olds. what a fucking weirdo.

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  213. Dan is gay?

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  214. Didn’t say “bad.” Just “worse” as in “of slightly lesser value” – all other things being equal, a place on Columbia will go for a little more than a place on Morse. Do you disagree?

    Certainly a very good price for an updated 3/2 east of Sheridan w parking.

    In fact my point was that it makes this place look considerably overpriced, even accounting for all the differences (inc. the more desirable block)

    jeffo (May 2, 2012, 11:15 pm)
    1142 w Morse, north therefore Worse? I wouldnt say that necessarily.
    Thats not that much further north and we arent talking about NOH (North of Howard).
    That stretch of Morse is doing very well now, that is a very good price for a decent condo on Morse
    with parking.

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  215. @Roma, Personally I dont think so, looking at both streets, both good locations,
    both streets in beach. Morse doesnt have quite the bad connotations that it once had.
    I wouldnt see living on Columbia to be valued more than Morse when you are east of Sheridan,
    but thats just me, you are a bit closer to the EL and Morse EL stop is getting redone and alot
    more to do around Morse nowadays (farmers market etc etc etc). Its not like Columbia’s
    street is in a better school district or is SO much safer.

    I hope the crazy crib chatter folks dont ruin the next interesting thread. I like to talk about emerging neigbhorhoods, and most of the entries here are same old Lincoln Park/Lakeview/Lincoln Square/South Loop, which is fine, but those conversations are usually boring and short. This COULDVE been a better conversation, but it was thwarted. Not nice.

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  216. gringozecarioca on May 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    ” This COULDVE been a better conversation, but it was thwarted.”

    Jeffo.. You know that “opinions are like assholes” saying…. If that holds true, then wouldn’t it be logical to assume that expressing the same opinion over and over might create one giant asshole???

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  217. Easy enough to skip over posts by lunatic hitler-youth wannabes or pseudo-intellectuals if you want to…

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  218. “Dan is gay?”

    dan/HH is not gay, but his boyfriends is

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  219. gringozecarioca a clever line does not a argument make.

    It does remind me of a good dennis leary song
    “Im an asshole”.

    Hey I guess I should just shut up and tow the line and talk about
    if dan is gay or not or if KFC is food or not. Or whatever esoteric insanity that made up this
    one of the worst conversations on earth, especially one of the worst concerning Rogers Park.
    I dont mind repeating it. Its true. :)

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  220. PeterRabbit on May 4th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    I agree with Jeffo. This is a effed up thread. Sabrina, how about cleaning this crap up and not letting these fools with faces just blather about nothing. Why not force people to pretty much stick to real estate or don’t post their bullshit. Evidently, you appear very serious and put alot of work in this site–why not insist your readers stick to real estate. Or, why don’t you make two blogs, one about real estate and the other about KFC and who is gay/whether cats purr in french/whatever. Sabrina, please, this board really could be great.

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  221. Jeff-

    This may come as news to you, but this is not Everyblock. Topics regularly wander all over the spectrum.

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  222. I actually love that Dennis Leary song–I used to blast it real loud quite frequently in college. The other two songs on that CD are pretty good, too.

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  223. “Apparently, through transitive properties, “high earner” = intellectual = sophisticated.

    If no one else, Ze disproves that one.”

    He lives in a shanty-town outside of Rio and isn’t intellectual or sophisticated in the least. As he’s none of the three I don’t see how it applies.

    Remember, anon, the marginal cost of claiming one’s rich/intellectual/sophisticated on these here intertubes.

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  224. gringozecarioca on May 4th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    “As he’s none of the three I don’t see how it applies.”

    Exactly Bob.. I wouldn’t consider myself to be any of the three… but I do live in Ipanema.. That part is true. :-)

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  225. gringozecarioca on May 5th, 2012 at 7:11 am

    Bob,
    Of course you know @tfo is smart enough that you don’t need to inform him of my being full of shit. It is out of kindness and humor that he plays along with me. Much the way Miu doesn’t call me to task for making comments about using fast mean reverting stochastics to obtain perturbed gaussian copula by an asymptotic expansion.

    Ze luvs da intertubes!

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  226. gringozecarioca on May 5th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    “gringozecarioca a clever line does not a argument make.”

    Jeffo… Who cares about clever lines winning an argument, all that is important is that they most certainly help you to get laid.. Priorities!!

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