The Vintage 4-Bedroom Victorian Under $450,000: 4502 N. Kildare in Mayfair
This 4-bedroom Victorian at 4502 N. Kildare in the Mayfair neighborhood of Irving Park just came on the market.
Built in 1906 on an extra wide lot of 45×145, it has a 2.5 car garage.
Many of its vintage features remain including a wood staircase and stained glass window and a built-in hutch in the dining room.
The kitchen has maple cabinets, stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops.
All four bedrooms are on the second floor.
There is also what appears to be semi-finished attic space that could be used as an artists studio or playroom.
The house is listed $91,500 under the 2005 purchase price.
Is this a deal for Mayfair?
Donna Nugent at Coldwell Banker has the listing. See the pictures here.
4502 N. Kildare: 4 bedrooms, 2 baths, 2272 square feet, 2.5 garage
- Sold in April 2002 for $330,000
- Sold in April 2005 for $532,500
- Currently listed for $441,000
- Taxes of $7021
- Space pak cooling
- Bedroom #1: 21×15 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 14×12 (second floor)
- Bedroom #3: 9×9 (second floor)
- Bedroom #4: 9×8 (second floor)
- Office: 9×7 (main floor)
- Attic: 19×16 (third floor)
Dammit Sabrina, I was eyeing this one. Now the CC curse will put it under contract, especially since there was an open house this weekend which I couldn’t attend.
Love this house, although I’d try to take the two small bedrooms and get one decent size bedroom and another full bath out of them. I don’t know the neighborhood, but this seems like a fabulous value assuming the inspection doesn’t turn up anything nasty.
This house has a ton of potential.
I know the previous owners of this house, and was in it before the the renovations.
so glad they kept the built-ins, loved them back then and love them now. the wood paneled bedroom is still the same as i remember it. i cant recall if the third floor was just an attic back then or it was converted. Yard looks bigger now that the huge pool was taken out. Looks like they took out the parking pad next to the garage the IIRC was about 2 feet higher than the grass. From recollection the garage was huge and could fit two 1970 Cadillacs (so three modern day cars). i want to say there were two full baths on the second floor, but cant say for sure, maybe a full and a half. the basement was unfinished back then, dont remember ceiling height. And i think there is a bedroom off the dining room which added the count to 5 bedrooms. It look like a 100% new kitchen, there was a half bath off the kitchen too.
Nice home, subpar neighborhood. The OIP residents who bemoan the lack of GZ amenities would cringe at the lack of decent grocery, restaurants, schools, bars, nightlife and shopping in and around the neighborhood. This is still Albany Park and many of the problems that come with it. It’s difficult to get a decent pizza delivered, the bars within walking distance are ‘gruff’ to say the least and one acquaintance of mine once complained of the deficit of Yelp! reviewed eateries. I think long term this area may have some potential as albany park/avondale/jefferson park slowly gentrifies, but that’s a long term process these days and if anything it will be an extension of old irving, but virtually everyone (who has any money at all) sends their high school children to norte dame in niles.
The large homes and large lots are a huge plus for the neighborhood, along with an el stop and easy highway access, leafy trees, and the neighborhood originates from the same farms and developers as old irving so it has the long N/S blocks, which differentiates it from the small 1920’s bungalow housing just across Cicero Ave with the long E/W blocks.
But everything else about the neighborhood these days says it is a middle class enclave among the soup of working class housing. Which is too bad, because the neighborhood has so much potential, but I might not be around long enough to see that potential and any purchase in the neighborhood with the expectation that it will gentrify to OIP standards is purely speculative.
“subpar neighborhood….”
coming from you i am beyond shocked.
“It’s difficult to get a decent pizza delivered”
umm are you kidding me now? was at a kids pizza party where the house was across the park about 6 months ago. i dont think they drove to get it.
doode i dont even know where to start on all you said. i will just say you are WRONG
“i will just say you are WRONG”
Groove, I’m not wrong. Your letting your biases get in the way of reality. I have no horse in this race and I have spent a significant amount of time in and around the neighborhood over the last year or two, and even before that while casually passing through.
As far as pizza goes, this is about it: http://www.yelp.com/biz/sanos-pizza-chicago
and trust me when I tell you that the place is the most gruff, blue collar pizza joint I’ve ever seen – to some people that’s ‘real’ but to others, I like my eateries to have progressed beyond 1940. The pizza is decent, but not great, nothing special, and the reviews of course, are mostly coming from mayfair residents who’ve been eating this so long they think it’s actually good pizza.
If I had to choose a NW side neighborhood of similar characteristics I’d choose the ‘forest glen’ neighborhood just across cicero and up a little at foster. It borders the forest preserve, has a nicer looking housing stock, and it doesn’t seem as working class gruff as mayfair. The amenities too are a bit lacking but it’s redeeming value come from the relative lack of multifamily housing, mostly single families, and the short metra commute downtown.
Mayfair does have the irish american cultural center, and that’s bonus, i’ve had many a late nights there drowning my sorrows in a pint of Guinness.
What about Martino’s pizza? I love that place. Maybe they don’t deliver this far south, but it seems like a reasonable distance for delivery.
I’ve got to jump in: The Baked Tomato is .5 mi away – and the thin crust is decent. Also, just on that stretch of Elston, there is Zebda, a nice middle eastern take out place, Ay Ay Picante, which is Peruvian BYOB and the Fish Guys have the Wellfleet open for lunch. Not 100% downtown urban, but a good selection of places nearby.
Also, did you see Conan at the Irish Cultural Center? http://teamcoco.com/video/irish-american-remote.
rachel, your selection of restaurants isn’t exactly impressive. suitable for casual dining purposes perhaps but by no means impressive.
Yeah, it sounded like you just wanted pizza delivered – not fine dining…
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/3810-N-Ridgeway-Ave-60618/home/13457023
Independence Park is a similar leafy NW side neighborhood south of IP road complete with a large park in the neighborhood, larger lots and short walking distance to multiple forms of public trans. The public school does suck if you don’t win the the lottery.
the house about sold for $415,000 and was also built in 1906 like the subject house. Very similar but I would choose the Independence Park home over the Mayfair home 7 out of 7 days of the week.
“Groove, I’m not wrong. Your letting your biases get in the way of reality.”
your bias of one pizza joint and now burb living jade you from what this pocket hood really is.
“If I had to choose a NW side neighborhood of similar characteristics I’d choose the ‘forest glen”
so would i, but you are just trading metra for blue line. and loosing a great park, susies beef, the rican sandwich shop, and xport fitness. the biggest loss is LOT SIZE and interesting architecture. The forest glen you defined has only bungalows and only three victorians on forest glen ave.
i know the hood isnt what it was when i was young, but it isnt what you describe as it is now.
“Very similar but I would choose the Independence Park home over the Mayfair home 7 out of 7 days of the week”
i would choose mayfair over independence park 7 out of 7 days of the week. for many reasons one bieng the high number of rentals and large apartment complexes in the area compared to mayfair which is mainly SFH with a family community feel. Independence park is to transient for me.
was this what caused your 7 years of undergrad or was it during your transient law school years?
“Mayfair does have the irish american cultural center, and that’s bonus, i’ve had many a late nights there drowning my sorrows in a pint of Guinness.”
I joke Icarus, I spent 7 years total in undergrad and law school. No sorrows, really, just guinness.
Knowing Joe Zekas’ arrogant attitude towards 2nd-tier law school grads, can you imagine how bad that guy must treat waitresses and cab drivers?
A second tier law grad named Philip Corboy died the other day. Ever hear of him? JZ has nothing but disdain for the injured too I bet.
“helmethofer (June 13, 2012, 3:03 pm)
Knowing Joe Zekas’ arrogant attitude towards 2nd-tier law school grads, can you imagine how bad that guy must treat waitresses and cab drivers?”
Getting back to the featured property, I cannot tell from the picture if the attic is finished and just awaiting your special touches or meant to look like that. Is this price right?
homedelete, helmethofer
In my youth, having grown up poor, I was a tireless advocate for people who had little. Got fired from a social work job on trumped-up charges for doing welfare rights organizing throughout the state of Wisconsin in my spare time – took a federal court to overturn the firing:
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=19711492334FSupp1158_11281.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985
Ever put your butt on the line for other people?
Did tons of volunteer pro bono work as an attorney – and you?
Routinely tip heavily for cab drivers, waiters and waitresses, etc. and treat them all with humble respect.
I don’t have a problem with second- or third-tier law grads. I have complete contempt for foul-mouthed, gutless, know-nothing creeps like you. If you are, in fact, an attorney you’re a disgrace to the profession. It’s awfully curious that you never seem to have any legal knowledge to contribute here.
How bleak and empty both your lives must be that you compulsively take out-of-the-blue anonymous shots at honest people. It’s something that only emotional cripples do.
I think it is awaiting several special touches Icarus.
This is a great home in a blahish neighborhood but seems interesting. To me this house and the one HD linked to are fairly equal and both quite interesting.
This neighborhood is NOT Albany Park, homedelete. I live a few blocks from this home and admire it each time I pass it walking my children to Mayfair Park, which is a wonderful park. Mayfair is a very quiet, under the radar neighborhood just north of Old Irving. We moved to this area last year and while it doesn’t have all of the bells and whistles of other areas we were able to buy a very nice home for a decent price. My husband takes the Irving Park metra to work so his commute is much shorter over here than when we lived in West Lakeview. The CPS school, Belding, is improving and is drawing families who want to stay in the city to this area (and OIP.) It does seem as though most families with older children send their children to St. Ed’s or other options but perhaps as Belding continues to improve more new families may send their children there. Our HS is Schurz, which needs a lot of improvement, but very few HS’s in the city are decent and need help as well. Restaurants and shopping are lacking but OIPA has a team working to recruit buisnesses and the Six Corners area has consultants who have been hired by the city to work on development plans so there will be more options in the future. There is a lot of potential for this area and surrounding areas. Look at Bread and Wine and Al Dente that have opened in this past year.
As for pizza options, we order Chicago’s Pizza frequently and have gone to Marie’s on Lawrence a few times.
“I think it is awaiting several special touches Icarus.”
“I cannot tell from the picture if the attic is finished and just awaiting your special touches or meant to look like that. Is this price right?”
trust me this place is HUGE inside, finishing off the attic wont be needed. even finishing off the basement really isnt needed unless you must have a media room. there is an enclosed back porch off the kitchen which is not pictured so even more space.
JZ: you were fired for: “(e) is wantonly offensive in his conduct or language toward the public or toward county officers or employes;”
I can see how that happened with you. Then your defense goes on to say that your offensive language was protected by the First Amendment:
“the conduct alleged to constitute violation of those paragraphs is protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments.”
Yet, you are one of the biggest blog censors of “free speech” in Chicago RE community. Hypocrite. That’s part of the reason your blog is unsuccessful. Your defense then goes on to state:
“Our democracy rests in no small part on open discussion of policy and facts by all citizens. ”
LOL!!!! Was it you who said: “I have complete contempt for a foul-mouthed, gutless, know-nothing creep like you.”….or was it your boss who fired your ass? Now, you’ve turned into that boss, becoming a censor yourself.
I read through your lawsuit, and I can say, you just got lucky to get that reversed.
Its not Albany Park HomeDelete – what are you smoking man.
Is Mayfair considered a sub neighborhood of Irving Park? To find this listing on Redfin, you have to search Irving Park, although that certainly isn’t necessarily an indictment.
“Its not Albany Park HomeDelete – what are you smoking man.”
Lunker have you eaten at The Bungalow Cafe yet? I’ve been there twice already and will be going tonight if i can.
Groove77 (June 14, 2012, 4:26 pm)
“Its not Albany Park HomeDelete – what are you smoking man.”
Lunker have you eaten at The Bungalow Cafe yet? I’ve been there twice already and will be going tonight if i can.
Lunker, I like you, but you really should fact-check before you shoot off your mouth about comments I make:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany_Park,_Chicago
Mayfair is in Albany Park, and don’t you ever forget it.
“Lunker (June 14, 2012, 3:32 pm)
Its not Albany Park HomeDelete – what are you smoking man.”
Icarus, Mayfair is a subneighborhood of albany park. Old irving is a sub-neighborhood of Irving Park. The neighborhoods were developed around the same, however. The neighborhoods went into relative decline after the interstate was built and everyone fled to the ‘burbs.
“you really should fact-check before you shoot off your mouth”
you prob should too
Actually, this place is not in Mayfair. It’s in the official Irving Park boudaries, which west of Elston goes up to Lawrence.
helmethofer,
Like every website that wants to retain an audience, I suppress the type of swill that you would like to think of as “free speech.”
Sabrina does the same thing, deleting some of your vile racist and anti-Semitic drivel and some of the more disgusting personal attacks that go on here. The only difference is that I have a much lower tolerance for it, and I warn people and ban them if they continue to do what your illness requires you to do. I’ve never censored anyone for stating a fact or a reality-based opinion.
In addition to welfare rights organizing, here are the specifics of what got me fired. I was an invited featured speaker at a banquet hosted by a regional chapter of the National Ass’n of Social Workers. Before an audience of several hundred social workers, I called out the Director and Deputy Director of the Milwaukee County Dept of Public Welfare for their policy of repeatedly ignoring a law that clearly required payment of special needs grants to welfare mothers. I outlined what that meant for children in Milwaukee who were going to school without winter coats, boots or mittens, and sleeping in beds without blankets, etc. The Director and his Deputy were seated on the dais a few feet from me as I forcefully condemned their actions.
You want to compare that form of speech with your cowardly, anonymous bilge?
Mayfair: Lawrence (4800 N), Montrose (4400 N), Pulaski (4000 W), and Cicero (4800 W).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany_Park,_Chicago
This is north mayfair IIRC
actually no, kildare is north of montrose, west of pulaski, east of cicero and south of lawrence.
THIS IS ALBANY PARK, MAYFAIR, CHICAGO
“this place is not in Mayfair. It’s in the official Irving Park boudaries”
I don’t have a deeply informed view, but being in irving park comm area does not nec preclude being in a given sub neighborhood.
“This is north mayfair IIRC”
And which community area is it in?
http://www.cityofchicago.org/dam/city/depts/doit/general/GIS/Chicago_Maps/Community_Areas/CA_IRVING_PARK.pdf
“And which community area is it in?”
Can we start by all agreeing that the house is southwest of Elston?
Seems to me that HD has lost his edge on neighborhood boundaries–prob a result of living in the burbs.
Looks like Mayfair extends across both Albany Park and Irving Park.
“Can we start by all agreeing that the house is southwest of Elston?”
Well, sure, if by all you mean, as per the usual convention, all minus HD.
“Seems to me that HD has lost his edge on neighborhood boundaries–prob a result of living in the burbs.”
I think where he is now, one street is indistinguishable from the next, so who even cares.
“Looks like Mayfair extends across both Albany Park and Irving Park.”
In honor of JZ’s appearance: “Mayfair spans two Chicago community areas: Irving Park and Albany Park”.
http://yochicago.com/chicago-neighborhoods/Mayfair
I live in a town where the developers cut down all the trees and then named all the streets after them.
JZ: you were fired for: “(e) is wantonly offensive in his conduct or language toward the public or toward county officers or employees.”
You’re a full blown hypocrite, and nobody should ever trust anyone who does “good deeds” and then proceeds to brag about them, or tries to push superiority because of it.
No Joe. You banned everyone who ever mentioned buying real estate might be a foolish financial move on your site over the past several years. You make up things such as racist and anti-semitic to try to lend credibility to your censorship but in reality you were very quick to ban all of those with a dissenting viewpoint regarding the state of the real estate market to be either rosy or at best not destined to fall in quick succession.
You are a liar Joe Zekas and most on here know it, and you site is now a desert tumbleweed town in comparison.
You also hate sabrina for running a forum that allows open discourse and is light on moderation. Because you’re old Joe: you’re a shill from a bygone era who never quite got that in this information age the channels can’t be controlled to a T anymore. You don’t have 100% control over the marketing medium here and elsewhere on the internet aside from your site and we all see how it drives you nuts.
helmethofer,
You rely on the hope that nobody cares enough to read the historical record – which makes a lie of what you say about dissenting views.
Would you also like people to believe that Sabrina hasn’t deleted some of your more disgusting comments?
The only hater in this exchange is you, and you’re consumed by hatred far beyond the point of rationality.
is it sad of the two i would prefer Joey Z to go away?
HelmetHofer, dont get a big head by my comment. its not that i think your good or anything, it just shows how shytie Joey Z is.
“the Six Corners area has consultants who have been hired by the city to work on development plans so there will be more options in the future”
all plans will fall flat if the portage theater is allowed to be bought by a church. hurry up and help support the portage vote is coming soon.
Dan is not so bad because he has taken on the role of the Franz Liebkind charachter from the Producers. Not the Will Farrel version but the original Kenneth Mars version. I still think he is Jewish as well, even the name Dan has signoficant Hebrew connections. Joey Z just comes here for posting his link.
“read the historical record”
what? You’ve already been tagged by YOUR historical record here. You have learned some valuable lessons taught to you by the CC crowd, and that’s good, and you’ve had to adjust your online and business persona to be more honest as a result. It’s not to late to teach an old dog some new tricks, and it’s good that you’re becoming more honest later in life. Next we can do something about the conceitedness and level of self-righteousness and presumption. JZ: you’re NOT better than other people, it’s hard to believe you could possibly be an effective social worker!