Want To Raise Your Kids In A Loft? A 3-Bedroom At 1201 W. Wrightwood In Lincoln Park

Someone mentioned that it’s hard to find a loft big enough to raise children in but this 3-bedroom in the Gaertner Building at 1201 W. Wrightwood in Lincoln Park would seem to qualify.

This loft has exposed brick and large industrial windows with tall ceilings.

The listing says there’s no unit above or below it so you don’t have to worry about noise.

It has a private tiered deck.

The bedrooms are enclosed so you don’t have to be concerned with sound like you would with many lofts.

The kitchen has maple cabinets, stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops.

It’s in the Oscar Mayer school district and there’s a Starbucks directly across the street.

It has central air, washer/dryer in the unit and the highly coveted 2-car parking.

Would you raise your kids in an urban loft?

Rose Marie Russ at Baird & Warner has the listing. See the pictures here.

Unit #7: 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, no square footage listed, 2 car parking

  • Sold in August 2001 for $504,500
  • Sold in September 2003 for $550,000
  • Sold in August 2005 (messed up price in the ccrd)
  • Sold in June 2008 for $780,000
  • Originally listed in November 2012 for $699,000
  • Still listed at $699,000
  • Assessments of $427 a month
  • Taxes of $9213
  • Bedroom #1: 19×12
  • Bedroom #2: 13×10
  • Bedroom #3: 11×11

111 Responses to “Want To Raise Your Kids In A Loft? A 3-Bedroom At 1201 W. Wrightwood In Lincoln Park”

  1. If there is no unit above or below, what is above or below? Looks nice though. Great for a family. Depending on what is above or below, the price seems pretty reasonable.

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  2. Why does every generation think that they are so different from the previous ones? Every generation thought they were the coolest and could handle jobs, family and city life – and EVERY generation was wrong. Sure, there may a small percentage who can do it, but the MAJORITY of the population who get married and have families (and can afford something in the 300k+ range) will absolutely positively move to the suburbs. This is why there are so many 2/2 and 3/3 with cribs and kids bunk beds in the city for sale. Honestly, people, look to the older people and history if you want to understand what is best……you will avoid mistakes and heartache…

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  3. That’s fascinating. I will have to tell my wife and kids and all of our friends so that we can do what you think is best and head out of town. Thanks so much for the advice.

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  4. DML – it’s not my advice – it is the truth. Again, there are definitely some people who make it work in the city with families – but the vast majority who can afford a 300-700k condo/house WILL end up in the burbs. There is a reason for that. You ain’t that special…..

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  5. hmmm, tell that to the 45 kids who live on just our one city block, from babies to college kids.
    It’s may seem like a foreign concept to you, but there are plenty of people who do it.

    In my experience, the people who move to the burbs once they’ve had a kid are ones that never had really any intent to stay long term anyway.

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  6. CLIO — I have a large 3000 sq foot concrete (quite) corner loft with 2 kids, in school, and manage just fine. We may sell some day, but only to buy a different place in the city.

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  7. ‘There is a reason for that. You ain’t that special…..’

    I love it! Thanks for that. It’s kinda like the gym at the first of the year; filled with people who tell themselves they’re finally going to get into shape, but come April/May they’ve bolted. They have every right to be there as they’ve paid their fees, but in reality they just take up space from the dedicated ones who just want to workout and leave. City living is like that, as you *really* have to want it regardless of the pain-in-the-ass it can or will be, or you’re destined to be yet another one big bloated failure.

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  8. “but the MAJORITY of the population who get married and have families … will absolutely positively move to the suburbs”

    are you positing that the majority will try and fail to make it work in the city, or that there are only so many decent homes/neighborhoods that they find it easier to migrate to the burbs?

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  9. OverfriendlyConcierge on February 27th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Every time this 30-something parent of 2 kids under age 5 starts to think seriously about moving to the suburbs, she meets another well-to-do entitled and/or racist blowhard who reminds her that she doesn’t want people like him for neighbors.

    Seriously, I don’t want to raise my kids around people like that (or their children, for that matter). Our neighborhood school here in Chicago is a solid performer and one of the most racially and economically diverse in the city and I won’t hesitate to send my kids there.

    My husband and I both work, we do pretty well for ourselves, and we could afford to move to the suburbs, but we won’t, because we’re not in the least bit interested in living that life. We’re happy in the city, and our kids are, too.

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  10. :In my experience, the people who move to the burbs once they’ve had a kid are ones that never had really any intent to stay long term anyway.”

    these are the fucktards who think that the city is North Ave to Roosevelt, the lake to Halsted and refer to living in any part of the city proper as living “downtown”

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  11. For a lot of us, living in the city is much easier. My commute is far shorter so I get to spend time with the kids. Weekends mean museums. Heck, if they are good when we go to the grocery store (and if I haven’t bought anything that needs to get right into the fridge) Lincoln Park Zoo on the way home for an hour is reward. We have memberships at most of the museums so we come and go as we please.

    I just don’t see giving it up.

    Of course, I’m not CLIO telling people that they are wrong. How somebody else chooses to live is none of my business, but city living definitely works for my family.

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  12. Some people like urban, some people like suburban. Either way, it’s not a character flaw or a test of “true grit” like some of you make it out to be.

    I can absolutely see myself raising a family in a loft, but not this one.

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  13. Icarus,
    Or the ones who can’t afford private school and can’t find a decent place near one of the few good public schools. That’s a very reasonable reason to move to the suburbs.
    It is not for me to judge. I can just talk about my experience.

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  14. “these are the fucktards who think that the city is North Ave to Roosevelt, the lake to Halsted and refer to living in any part of the city proper as living “downtown”

    Very accurate post. They are lemmings really.

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  15. I don’t understand why people consider city living for a family to be so difficult in Chicago. I used to live in NYC and Chicago is a cakewalk compared to there with a family. Grocery shopping? There are 5 WF’s with free parking. Need to pick up some consumer products? Ample parking near Michigan Ave for $12 or go to the Clybourn corridor for free parking. Tons of restaurants in all ‘hoods and if you go pretty much anywhere between 5-6 pm you will see many families (which I didn’t realize until I had a kid and started eating at that time). Housing in Chicago is dirt cheap compared with other cities and parking is easy compared to most metro areas of the country. We also have one of the largest contiguous city parks (with a very good free zoo) in the world and a wonderful lake.
    The only downside vs burbs is its slightly more expensive to live in the city and the schools aren’t great. There are decent public schools in the city and many more private options than the burbs. And while the CPS in general is doing poorly the schools in the good ‘hoods are getting better. Each generation has their own attitudes and based on what I see most young people want to live in cities and experience all that has to offer instead of live with a picket fence in the burbs and eat at Chili’s. Old guys who drive Lambos shouldn’t be generalizing about anyone.

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  16. “Someone mentioned that it’s hard to find a loft big enough to raise children in but this 3-bedroom in the ”

    the size, thats not really the problem

    the problem is the noise transfer for raising kids 0-11 years old.

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  17. “Old guys who drive Lambos shouldn’t be generalizing about anyone.”

    Best comment. EVER.

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  18. “hmmm, tell that to the 45 kids who live on just our one city block, from babies to college kids.
    It’s may seem like a foreign concept to you, but there are plenty of people who do it.

    In my experience, the people who move to the burbs once they’ve had a kid are ones that never had really any intent to stay long term anyway.”

    no its the ones who are not upper middle class and realize thier options are minimal when it comes to staying in the city.

    the reason to move away is not just for a yard (you can get that on the NW side of chi) its the value per dollar and the just simple simple things.

    Example 1: Chicago park district sign up was at 9am on Monday (Tue east of california) and if you logged in at 9:05am you are now probably on a waiting list for the program you wanted. and no you will not be called for that wait list.

    Example 2: the fact that our local annony is dealing with the angst of getting his kid into a 25k a year school and a few others here are draggin thier kids at age 4 to test to get into a *decent school and now will be stressing over the results.

    i still say if your middle class or lower the city will not give you the best or any value.

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  19. Most head to the burbs as they feel they can get more value for their money when it comes to single family homes. Like it or not, there is a lack of adequate single family housing and schooling in the city for most upwardly mobile professionals in the greenzone. Sure, you can find some deals off the beaten path, but the vast majority of people are not pioneers, nor can their incomes really handle >$800k purchases with comfort, especially if you need to throw private school in the mix.

    Most of my clients are 1 or 2%ers. I’ve been with them since their first condo purchase. When it comes time for a single family, 75% of them eventually go to the north or western burbs. Almost all give serious consideration to the city though. The one thing I’ve noticed antecdoctally, the ones that do head for the burbs almost always tend to have 2 kids with one in elementary school while those that stay in the city either haven’t had a kid yet or still have an infant.

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  20. @jay,

    this is by far the best anology ever posted on CribChatter. you get two snaps in a circle!

    “City living is like that, as you *really* have to want it regardless of the pain-in-the-ass it can or will be, or you’re destined to be yet another one big bloated failure.”

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  21. If i had kids I could totally raise them in this loft. 2 car parking, large space, 3 beds 3 baths, outdoor space, Beautiful parks nearby, fairly decent public school options, and if your kid doesn’t work out at a public school, St. Alphonsus is close.

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  22. @DML,

    “My commute is far shorter so I get to spend time with the kids.”

    for you it works but not everyone works in the loop. I dont work in the loop but if i did work in the loop i probably would already live in the burbs on a metra line. or in jeff park.

    “Weekends mean museums.”
    Gosh been in da city my whole life i have never went to a museum on a weekend and have never taken my son to a museum on a weekend. I aint dealing with that headache its only weekdays for gthe groove family.

    “Lincoln Park Zoo on the way home for an hour is reward.”

    that is a nice plus, but that is really just an exclusive perk if one is living in lincoln Park/Lake View/Gold coast. Its not really a perk for people who live in humbolt/albany park/galewood/edgebrook

    “We have memberships at most of the museums so we come and go as we please.”

    honestly its the only way to go with little kids, our dozens of memberships pay for themselves by the first quarter of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  23. Groove,
    You’ve never taken your kids to a museum?
    How absolutely pathetic.
    I do it every weekend. Never had a problem with crowds or anything.
    Maybe if you got out a bit you would be less bitter.

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  24. “Groove,
    You’ve never taken your kids to a museum?
    How absolutely pathetic.”

    please Re-read;

    1. Gosh been in da city my whole life i have never went to a museum on a *WEEKEND

    2. I aint dealing with that headache its only *WEEKDAY for gthe groove family

    3. honestly its the only way to go with little kids, *our dozens of memberships pay for themselves by the first quarter of the year

    also the Pathetic comment was rude and uncalled for. its even worse than if i pointed out your lack of reading comprehension even with three clues to the answer of your mean comment.

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  25. “There are 5 WF’s with free parking”
    Most people don’t shop at WF.
    “Ample parking near Michigan Ave for $12”
    Is that supposed to be a deal?

    I get what youre talking about, but reality is most people don’t live like that. The north side (GZ) is an expensive place to live/raise children. There are more options or family living in the suburbs.

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  26. honestly its the only way to go with little kids, our dozens of memberships pay for themselves by the first quarter of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I take my kids often, and for free. We go on free museum days (which often coincide school holidays) and use the free museum passes from the library. Chicago public libraries have free passes that you can check out. We don’t always get our first choice museum but rarely do we get nothing.

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  27. “The one thing I’ve noticed antecdoctally, the ones that do head for the burbs almost always tend to have 2 kids with one in elementary school while those that stay in the city either haven’t had a kid yet or still have an infant.”

    I don’t care if I sound sexist, but raising 2 girls in a city condo might be acceptable. I would feel sorry for boys that have to grow up (K-12) in a “loft”, esp. teen boys. That’s pretty damn wimpy/faggy for them to have to admit to their peers.

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  28. I live about a few blocks south of here on Fullerton, this is an excellent area. Very quiet street, very neighborhood feel, and a playground not too far away. It’s also dry-cleaner city up and down Racine; practically one dry cleaner on every block! Gaslight Bar about 3 blocks down is also a very chill place on the weekdays for some reasonably priced food & brew.

    This building doesn’t show signs of efflorescence but I’ve noticed a few other newer looking brick buildings in Lincoln Park (that seem similarly designed) that do. Perhaps from they were from different developers and hastily built during the Great Bubble Era. I’ve been trying to compile a list of those developers/builders to avoid buying from by researching who builds those.

    I would pick this place over a larger SFH in the suburb if I were raising a family but that’s just me and I won’t attack anyone who feels differently.

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  29. What they’re supposed to live in bunkers or something? WTF is inherently wimpy about a loft – if anything I would think a real loft would give you some sort of street cred.

    “I don’t care if I sound sexist, but raising 2 girls in a city condo might be acceptable. I would feel sorry for boys that have to grow up (K-12) in a “loft”, esp. teen boys. That’s pretty damn wimpy/faggy for them to have to admit to their peers.”

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  30. “if anything I would think a real loft would give you some sort of street cred.”
    You only get street cred if your’e actually out on the street. Youre not even close by being in LP living in a loft.

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  31. Russ posted the first intelligent comment on this thread. Thank you Russ, you summed up the situation quite nicely. I may not be in the 1 or 2% (more like 5-10%) but I too share the same concerns. There is a lack of affordable housing and SFH in city neighborhoods with good schools. and I found my options far greater as soon as I moved beyond just outside the 606XX zip code.

    Hating on people who can’t afford to live comfortably in the city and instead move to the city is pathetic. Seriously pathetic. Get a life.

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  32. “WTF is inherently wimpy about a loft”

    Lofts are for
    1) single people (esp. single women who shop at Pier 1 imports),
    2) homos or
    3) (when you think of NYC) those city-types/hipsters who are perpetual adolescents, for instance like 50 year olds still in rock bands, etc. What kind of normal American boys who plays sport for his high school, wants to live in a loft with a Campari poster in the kitchen??? A: None, if they had a choice.

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  33. “homedelete (February 27, 2013, 11:23 am) …Hating on people who can’t afford to live comfortably in the city and instead move to the city is pathetic. Seriously pathetic. Get a life….”

    You should read the whole thread before commenting. The discussion of suburbs vs city was precipitated by CLIO “hating on” people who want to live in the city instead of the suburbs.

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  34. Impressive hate on this forum.
    But back to the topic — anybody know what it is above or below the unit?

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  35. Right, floral sofas 5 miles from the nearest business district and keys to the minivan are FAR preferable.

    “What kind of normal American boys who plays sport for his high school, wants to live in a loft with a Campari poster in the kitchen??? A: None, if they had a choice.”

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  36. ” DML (February 27, 2013, 11:35 am)
    Impressive hate on this forum.”

    ” DML (February 27, 2013, 10:15 am)
    How absolutely pathetic.
    Maybe if you got out a bit you would be less bitter.”

    ummmm, yeah, ummmm?????

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  37. Helmet,
    I don’t care whether my kids are straight or gay. As long as they are happy.
    Assuming they are straight, I doubt they will care how the kitchen looks except to the extent of the food it contains. If kids are judging others based on what is hanging in their kitchens, the parents are pretty screwed up.
    For what it is worth — people comfortable as heteros don’t spend much time wondering about others.
    That that you brought it up suggests you have something to hide.

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  38. It looks like I have a little puppy dog named “Groove” following me around.
    He didn’t like my comments yesterday and now again today.
    Whatever gets you through the day.

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  39. so i can get a grasp of my new owner as how to bark, oops respond. DML could you tell me where these neighborhoods are and the demographics that make them up?

    west humbolt
    Wildwood
    albany park
    dunham
    galewood
    edgebrook
    Austin
    Beverly
    bridgeport
    South shore

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  40. ask this family how they like family city living

    http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1821-N-Dayton-St-60614/home/13351373

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  41. Sure I can Groove. How much are you going to pay me for the service?

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  42. “Sure I can Groove. How much are you going to pay me for the service?”

    a high five, a gold star sticker, and a cookie.

    im just trying to get a sense of where your mindset comes from, thats all.

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  43. The Dayton people are probably just tired of the Jehovah’s witnesses knocking on the door.

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  44. “Groove77 (February 27, 2013, 11:47 am)
    ask this family how they like family city living”

    Do you know anything about their situation? They could be selling to buy a SFH in LP. Also – they are under contract pretty close to where they bought at the top of the market (assuming they are getting close to asking since it went under contract so quickly).

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  45. HD & Clio, please just f*ck each other already and enjoy your post orgasmic bliss in the comfort of one of your large suburban homes.

    “homedelete (February 27, 2013, 11:23 am) …Hating on people who can’t afford to live comfortably in the city and instead move to the city is pathetic. Seriously pathetic. Get a life….”

    Clio is the one hating on families for buying in the city so the defensive arguments are well deserved. “Can’t afford” -? Please, affordability is not the whole issue. Besides, you and Clio love to hint about your financial prosperity. It’s the issue of environment, education, space, and desire.

    It’s painfully clear that most of these ridiculous city vs. suburb arguments are just defense mechanisms as a means of justifying where the individual bought their home. That is pathetic.

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  46. left off the list: 4) Lofts are for people who are in divorce situations.

    Raising a family in a “loft”, maybe unless it’s 1-2 girls only, is for weirdos.

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  47. 1821 n. dayton:

    nice find! bunk beds AND a crib in the same bedroom! You can’t make this stuff up folks, city living!

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  48. I grew up in the city and my family did just fine. Private school was an expense, but better than living in the suburbs for my parents.

    I live near Halsted and Roosevelt and there are kids everywhere. These parents seem fine with raising their kids in the city. A few neighbors have moved in cases where their kids didn’t get into a good elementary school (either public or private), but if people can get their kids into good schools, they stick around. The neighborhood public school is abysmal, but no one except the people who live in subsidized housing send their kids there. The properties still sell well (for this market), despite the lack of a good general enrollment public school option.

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  49. “bunk beds AND a crib in the same bedroom! You can’t make this stuff up folks, city living!”

    How terrible that must be for them while they’re sleeping.

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  50. Funny, our condo listing looked a lot like the Dayton listing. We sold and moved to a SFH in Chicago.

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  51. http://www.redfin.com/IL/Long-Grove/6874-Ellis-Dr-60047/home/12777623

    Hate on this!

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  52. People making fun of a family that did not have enough space?
    Stay classy!

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  53. You buy the bunk bed so that baby has a place to sleep once she ages out of the crib. Then when oldest kid gets a little older you bump her up to the third floor. I don’t think they have 3 kids in that room, but even if they did so what – there’s another bedroom ready once the parents are cool with having a kid on a different floor.

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  54. DML, you are very new here. There is nothing classy about CC.

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  55. Not making fun of them, I’m pointing out this family’s poor logic.

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  56. What poor logic are you talking about?
    Tell us about that family, H.
    Are the parents healthy?
    Both parents currently employed?
    How old is the one in the crib?
    How long did they look for a new place?
    You must know the answers. Otherwise you would not have posted your comment criticizing them.
    Ultimately H, it is none of your business.

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  57. homedelete said – “Hating on people who can’t afford to live comfortably in the city and instead move to the city is pathetic. Seriously pathetic. Get a life.”

    homedelete said – “Not making fun of them, I’m pointing out this family’s poor logic.”

    Well at least you know you’re pathetic… right?

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  58. http://www.redfin.com/IL/Long-Grove/6874-Ellis-Dr-60047/home/12777623

    Beautiful home, especially if you enjoy paying $24K in RE taxes/year end send you kids to a Diamond Lake Elementary where 82% of non-low income kids meet and exceed state tests and 31% exceed.

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  59. It looks ridiculous to have bunk beds and a crib in the same room. Say what you want, it looks STUPID. You could buy a three bedroom home in Lombard for the same price and have a yard and a whole foods nearby too.

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  60. Homdelete does approve of their life choices.
    They must be absolutely crushed.

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  61. Is this your condo DML? You’re so bent out of shape over something so dumb. This is an internet forum for goodness sakes!

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  62. Be very careful VJ with your comments about Long Grove; you don’t want to sound anti-semetic here, saying that a certain ethnicity isn’t as smart as the WASPs and such that live in the diverse city neighborhoods like Lakeview and Lincoln Park…

    ” Vlajos (February 27, 2013, 1:10 pm)

    http://www.redfin.com/IL/Long-Grove/6874-Ellis-Dr-60047/home/12777623

    Beautiful home, especially if you enjoy paying $24K in RE taxes/year end send you kids to a Diamond Lake Elementary where 82% of non-low income kids meet and exceed state tests and 31% exceed.”

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  63. Take your own advice hd, and ‘get a life’

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  64. “…a loft with a Campari poster…”

    WTF is inherently wimpy about Campari, other than the color?

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  65. Too close to the public housing on Fullerton. Wouldn’t feel safe outside after dark. Just common sense.

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  66. If you’re going to raise kids in the city, this looks like a fairly ideal unit for that. The ‘hood is pretty walkable and safe. I would guess you can get to the parking without going outside, which is a huge plus and rare.

    Clio is probably not that far off. Most people probably underestimate the difficulty of raising kids in the city and overestimate the advantages of the amenities available (speaking as someone who is raising 2 kids in the city now.)

    If you’re truly loaded, it can be great, but once you have to start making compromises (attached housing, small space, iffy schools, marginal neighborhoods) the luster wears off pretty quickly.

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  67. No.

    ” sonies (February 27, 2013, 1:33 pm)

    Take your own advice hd, and ‘get a life’”

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  68. I know the cities vs. suburbs thing gets a lot of posts and traffic, but it is getting tired. Can’t we agree that people make their own choices and move on with our life? It is a nice loft and a good location. I agree it seems a bit pricey, I know I wouldn’t pay that.

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  69. @DML,

    you never gave me my answer to my list?

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  70. You are very perceptive, Groove.
    You seem to want to follow me around, which is your option.
    Just don’t expect me to always want to play.
    Now shoo, puppy dog.

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  71. “Can’t we agree that people make their own choices and move on with our life?”

    Nope. Cribchatter is like catholicism and birth control: not only does it not want its parishioners doing it, it doesn’t want non-members doing it either

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  72. Now you’ve done it Icarus.

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  73. “Just don’t expect me to always want to play.”

    well since your here now i guess we can play.

    so you are probably from iowa, moved to lakeview after college then scored a Chad and now live in Lincoln Park. you probably never vennture out of your bubble are you think “armitage and clyborn is not safe”. you have no clue about the city you now call home, think because you live a UMC life that you know everything and look down on anyone/thing that doesnt do as you do.

    considering your reading comprehension (based on above posts) your husband is the bread winner in the family and you just barely made it through college and really only landed your chad on good looks not noggin prowess.

    the fact you dont see the you come off pompous on condescending all plays into everything i said right now.

    Love,
    The Groove

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  74. “Be very careful VJ with your comments about Long Grove; you don’t want to sound anti-semetic here, saying that a certain ethnicity isn’t as smart as the WASPs and such that live in the diverse city neighborhoods like Lakeview and Lincoln Park…”

    I don’t know much about Long Grove. I had to look up the school statistics. Is Long Grove a bastion of Nazis?

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  75. Long Grove is full of Zionazis. Their meeting hall is Twin Orchard CC, where you would have zero chance of stepping foot in Vlajos.

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  76. You’re correct helmet, I have zero chance of stepping foot in Long Grove. I have no desire to, regardless of who lives there.

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  77. Groove,
    You are one weird and angry dude.
    Have you thought about counseling? Or medication?

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  78. This site is completely out of control and Sabrina should delete all non-realestate comments immediately. I think more than a couple people need to get laid, lots of frustration out there.

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  79. Helmet, it’s very likely I have travelled to far more places in this world than you. I’ve been to many suburbs in the US and outside the US. I have no need to visit Long Grove.

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  80. Groove must be crabby because its tax season… Icarus is crackin me up. Everyone else… damn this weather, I am sure that is what is to blame

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  81. I think Groove is trying to sell some first floor property in Lincoln Park. That must be it.

    But in any case, anybody know the story on this place? What’s above or below? That was the most interesting part of the listing.

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  82. Sometimes I wonder how active the cribchatter boards would be without Clio’s arrogance, HD’s self-righteous burbgasms, and Helmet’s homophobic, anti-semitic neocon rants. You can’t put a price on this stuff. Well, maybe Sabrina can with the increased web traffic.

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  83. “I have no need to visit Long Grove.”

    Ignorance.

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  84. Why, what will I get out of a visit to Long Grove?

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  85. HD, do you think Long Grove is a good buy at $600K with $24K RE taxes/year and a school where 82% of non-low income kids meet and exceed state tests and 31% exceed?

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  86. http://www.visitlonggrove.com/

    It has a historic little downtown as a day trip outside of Chicago. Shopping, dining, and the long grove confectionery. See, you learn something new every day. open your mind a little bit, you are so closed minded VJ, relax a bit, smoke some weed with Gringo.

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  87. YES. YES. and YES.

    ” Vlajos (February 27, 2013, 3:19 pm)

    HD, do you think Long Grove is a good buy at $600K with $24K RE taxes/year and a school where 82% of non-low income kids meet and exceed state tests and 31% exceed?”

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  88. Actually, I’ve been there! I remember that confectionary.

    Still, what’s the point? Dining and shopping there? If I’m doing a day trip, it’s not to a suburb.

    Anyway, do you think Long Grove is a good buy at $600K with $24K RE taxes/year and a school where 82% of non-low income kids meet and exceed state tests and 31% exceed?

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  89. “Groove,
    You are one weird and angry dude.
    Have you thought about counseling? Or medication?”

    yes, Cribchatter is my counseling couch, and whiskey is my medication.

    “I think Groove is trying to sell some first floor property in Lincoln Park.”

    I would love to sell you a beautiful well cared for chicago home on a 50 foot wide lot right next to all the shopping you need within one mile.

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  90. Also from the picture that Sabrina has for this listing it doesnt reflect where in the building the unit is actually located.

    its not in the corner three story part

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  91. I’m guessing it’s in the two story back part over the building garage.

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  92. What the heck is wrong with valets and hikers? Most are unionized and earn a living wage. You are an asshole.

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  93. “I’m guessing it’s in the two story back part over the building garage.”

    to me its seems like its in the alley part as the deck is built around an existing utility pole!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  94. “I’m guessing it’s in the two story back part over the building garage.”

    to me its seems like its in the alley part as the deck is built around an existing utility pole!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    the master has south view of the building on draper and west views of the alley

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  95. “I would love to sell you a beautiful well cared for chicago home on a 50 foot wide lot right next to all the shopping you need within one mile.

    “oh Grove, we were almost neighbors
    http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2822-N-Rutherford-Ave-60634/home/18954289

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  96. “the master has south view of the building on draper and west views of the alley”

    Yep.

    So. How much of an overgrown hallway is this place to not be under that second floor section at all?

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  97. “I would love to sell you a beautiful well cared for chicago home”

    Here’s a hint, Groove. To sell, you need to get along with people.
    Bizarre outbursts are no way to get along.
    So while you probably would love to sell me a place, you probably could not sell me a place.
    You don’t have the basic social skills.

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  98. why would ANYONE want to live in the city when they could live in this castle AND be clio’s neighbor?!!!!

    http://www.redfin.com/IL/Oak-Brook/3015-Lincoln-Rd-60523/home/18681360

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  99. I am one of the fucktards that moved to Chicago as a transplant. I am in my 50’s and I live in a River North loft (gasp) with the rest of the fucktards who didnt grow up here. I am not in a rock band and am not a perpetual adolescent. I have family that lives on the Northwest Side and Lincoln Park and other areas that people seem to feel are more legitimate neighborhoods. I have no desire to do so.

    And..While I don’t understand why anyone cares where others choose to live or have such disdain in general for pretty much anyone that isn’t “just like them” – having lived in NY, Atlanta, and Boston – some of us find that the traditional Chicago neighborhoods … are really rather ugly with their narrow lots, alleys, and putrid colored brick bungalows.

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  100. I’m the commenter that inquired about lofts in the city that are good for families. Coincidentally, I’ve actually seen this unit. I live a few blocks away in a 2/2 condo.

    A few thoughts:
    – this unit is pretty nice – tons of space, updated master bath (other baths are dated a bit as is kitchen – ie, 2000-ish), outdoor space, heated attached garage with elevator, private outdoor space, building roof deck
    – the unit is in the back corner of the building, so it’s kind of a hike from the front door (not terrible or anything, but a walk for two toddlers). I don’t think there’s anything above the unit.
    – the third bedroom doesn’t have windows – it’s behind the kitchen and they put a glass wall above the cabinets to let in natural light.
    – since we’re talking about a loft for a family, the neighborhood school is Mayer, which is decent for CPS and has Montessori PreK, but not nearly as good as other LP elementary schools.
    – I think this is going to be a tough sell unless they get closer to 600K. The condo fee and taxes are $1300/month, so you’re talking close to $4000/month all-in if you put down 20%. If you’re a family, you can do a lot better at that price point in the Mayer district (and probably even better in Lincoln district too).

    Anyone have thoughts on good high-rise options for families in LP? Part of me wants to go in to an old vintage unit (or even one of the Mies buildings) and do a gut rehab before moving in.

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  101. “Groove must be crabby because its tax season… Icarus is crackin me up. Everyone else… damn this weather, I am sure that is what is to blame.”

    I’m with you Sonies. Must be the weather. Because no one here is involved in one of the many nasty bidding wars going on all over the city. Those are the people that have the right to be crabby.

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  102. don’t forget to pay your Cook County RE Taxes!

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  103. @fo,

    just looked at it again and I really cant get the grasp of the scale.

    from the widow size it looks like only the second floor units deck is all that is above this unit.

    “Yep.
    So. How much of an overgrown hallway is this place to not be under that second floor section at all?”

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  104. “Anyone have thoughts on good high-rise options for families in LP? Part of me wants to go in to an old vintage unit (or even one of the Mies buildings) and do a gut rehab before moving in.”

    the mies would be to tight with kids, but if your okay already with that type of sqft then you will be okay. Wifey wants to retire in a mies i want to retire in a printers row loft.

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  105. I can’t wait for Clio to foreclose on his home like the millions of idiots who moved out of the suburbs to their boxy Mcmansions.

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  106. “I can’t wait for Clio to foreclose on his home like the millions of idiots who moved out of the suburbs to their boxy Mcmansions”

    he still cant sell that st charles place no mater what he does so its getting closer to your wish

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  107. I wish some bidding wars were going on in my building… lol

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  108. Groove77 Gosh been in da city my whole life i have never went to a museum

    I have never went????? Illiterate lame-brains don’t go to museums.

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  109. “I can’t wait for Clio to foreclose on his home like the millions of idiots who moved out of the suburbs to their boxy Mcmansions.”

    I wonder if that will happen. You keep hearing about how doctor earnings and salaries have peaked, and are actually trending downwards. Anyone have any links to these stories?

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  110. ” Chitownjazz (February 28, 2013, 11:23 am)
    Groove77 Gosh been in da city my whole life i have never went to a museum
    I have never went????? Illiterate lame-brains don’t go to museums.”

    PLEASE READ THE SENTENCE CORRECTLY!!!

    i said i never been to a museum on a WEEKEND. and that i go on WEEKDAYS.

    i also stated that i have memberships to museums and they pay for themselves within the first 3 months!

    and really if you couldnt read that above or now who is the really illiterate lame-arse in this situation?

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  111. All you have to do is become a private client at Chase and you get free memberships to all the museums. So we go all the time, even an hour here or there.

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