Get a 3-Bedroom Townhouse With a 2-Car Garage For Under $600K in North Center: 3157 N. Honore

This 3-bedroom townhouse at 3157 N. Honore in North Center came on the market in February.

These are selling fast as there is a sister 3-bedroom in the same complex with the same square footage that is already under contract.

You can see pictures of that one at 3147 N. Honore here for comparison.

This townhouse is bigger than your standard starter 2/2 townhouse.

At 2690 square feet, it has 4-levels of living which includes a private rooftop deck.

It has Brazilian cherry floors throughout.

The kitchen, which is on the second floor along with the living and dining rooms, has 42 inch cherry cabinets, granite counter tops and Viking appliances.

It also has the much sought after 2-car garage which is difficult to find in townhouses.

Since it was listed in February, it has reduced $10,000.

The sister unit which is under contract is listed at $594,900. This one is now listed at $589,900.

That is also $55,100 under the 2007 price.

Are townhouses the new “affordable” alternative to a single family home in the north side neighborhoods?

Charles Michalak at Broz Group Real Estate has the listing. See the pictures here.

3157 N. Honore #6: 3 bedrooms, 2.5 baths, 2690 square feet, 2 car garage

  • Sold in March 2007 for $645,000
  • Originally listed in February 2013 for $599,000
  • Reduced
  • Currently listed for $589,900
  • Assessments of $325 a month
  • Taxes of $11,318
  • Central Air
  • Bedroom #1: 15×14 (third floor)
  • Bedroom #2: 18×13 (fourth floor)
  • Bedroom #3: 18×13 (fourth floor)
  • Family room: 15×13 (main floor)
  • Living/dining/kitchen: (second floor)

 

118 Responses to “Get a 3-Bedroom Townhouse With a 2-Car Garage For Under $600K in North Center: 3157 N. Honore”

  1. For more than one half of a million dollars, is it asking too much to hire a photographer? There are lots and lots of them in Chicago.

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  2. I agree: difficult to see beyond the poor photography and not a bit of “staging”. Looks very frumpy and hard to think beyond 420K

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  3. I agree that the lighting in the photos is pretty bad. However, it is refreshing to see some pops of color in a place. Kudos to this family for using colors other than the typical yuppie colors like Pale Oak or Mayan Gray. There is some appeal in this place as a city option for me and Mrs. Lesko in that it is probably easier to maintain if I am not there all the time b/c it’s a townhome. In addition, it has 2 car garage so it could fit with matching PT Cruisers with ease. Plus, the surrounding sidewalks aren’t too massive, so probably could work well with the Segway plow attachment I had my buddy fabricate down at his machine shop. Although, honestly, I have been thinking about selling the Segway. What do you guys think?

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  4. The pictures in this listing are definitely not helping compared to the other unit. While this townhome may be larger than most starter 2/2 townhomes if it is the layout I’ve often seen, it isn’t much more useful. I can’t tell for sure here but often the top floor “bedroom” is really an open room leading to your rooftop deck that is really more a family room than bedroom. I think it is tough to find a true 3 bedroom townhome for a family with 2-3 kids who actually wants 3 real bedrooms.

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  5. I will never understand the appeal of this neighborhood. The Lakeview townhouse from yesterday was so much more appealing. for only a bit more money. North Center is so far from the city center, with ugly housing stock in general, I don’t get the appeal.

    I put up with ugly housing stock in my neighborhood since it’s a quick drive to downtown. North Center may as well be the suburbs. For this price, I would move to Sauganash and get a large single family house. I’d still have to deal with the commute, but at least I’d have a lovely home.

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  6. “I will never understand the appeal of this neighborhood.”

    I will never understand people who knowingly confuse “living in the city” with “living downtown”.

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  7. OverfriendlyConcierge on March 19th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I have to agree. These townhouses are ugly. Not even a great neighborhood school here – this place is in Jahn’s boundaries.

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  8. let all just be happy that cellphones cameras have jumped leaps and bound over the last five years, as these pictures could have been so much worse.

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  9. I wish the realtor would have accidentally added one of his more revealing cell phone pictures. It’d at least make the listing more interesting.

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  10. If and when we opt to list our place in the next year or two, I really hope that this broker (and the photographer, if it’s not the same person) will be able to help us out. I mean, after looking at this listing, I really don’t even care where the property is located, or even how much the place costs. With that sort of raw talent and exacting professionalism out there, the likes of J. Ames and E. Sachs Wong had better get used to losing clients.

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  11. “If and when we opt to list our place in the next year or two,”

    what your moving? i thought the timeline was 5-7 years?
    why has it changed? no go on the latin/parker admit?
    so is evan/wilmette the next stop?

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  12. jenny, this isn’t in the North Center neighborhood, it’s in the North Center Community Area. Neighborhood-wise, it’s Roscoe Village or West Lakeview. Easily walkable to the Paulina Brown Line stop.

    Big downside, it’s on the Metra tracks. School-wise, it’s Jahn, and from your roof deck, all you can see is all those houses across the tracks in Burley.

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  13. “what your moving? i thought the timeline was 5-7 years?”

    It was, then we had a second, so the timeline on our two bed is being shortened. A year from now at the earliest, two years at the latest, then we’ll list. We’ll likely rent a three bed for two-three years. Hopefully three-five years from now we’ll buy again, ideally a 3+ bedroom where we’d be happy to remain for the long term.

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  14. “2690 square feet”

    Unit appears to be a fairly typical ~19 x 36 footprint. times four levels = 2736. So, the developer (I’d bet a dollar that they are using the developer’s info for the SF) counted the garage and the roof deck in the SF. So, real interior space is more like 2000 than 2700, and that include about 120 sf ((3×10) x 4) of stairs.

    “that one at 3147 N. Honore ”

    Appears to be one of the units with a long face against the metra tracks. Would have a lot more light.

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  15. “this isn’t in the North Center neighborhood, it’s in the North Center Community Area”

    There is no “North Center neighborhood”, is purely a C.A. thing.

    “Neighborhood-wise, it’s…”

    the nothern edge of NoCoCo.

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  16. Icky needs to get that wiki going.

    i thought you were in a 3br already or a 2 bed with a big den. i knew about the second kid, which is why i questioned you about the latin/parker and swinging the costs with 2 kids.

    being in a 2 bed with one kid is rough, our house is really only a 2 bed and with all my kids stuff, if wifey squirted out another one i know i would get claustrophobic fast. so we are going to try and move before our second one but pretty much retire in the next place we buy, so very choosey we are bieng and i think our UC would make your look normal 🙂

    but to your point if and when you do move don’t use a person who would represent you place like this guy. its like he is doing a favor pro-sonnybono for his wife’s second cousin on her dead beat dads side.

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  17. According to the map, these back up to the Metra tracks…

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  18. “According to the map, these back up to the Metra tracks…”

    This one appears to be in the 2d tier closest to Honore. Based on mention of pergola, and only one unit with pergola in aerials.

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  19. Pass on this one. Price too high, too close to tracks, too far from the main part of Roscoe Village (wrong side of Belmont) and SF appears to be exaggerated.

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  20. Wrong side of Belmont for access to RV proper, but the right side of Belmont for a stroll to Hamlin Park (which IMO trumps the living bejesus out of the boutiques on Roscoe in terms of quality-of-life).

    And yes, not the most convenient to the Loop as far as the CTA goes, but it’s far from horrible.
    This comment is hilarious:

    “North Center may as well be the suburbs.”

    Yeah, OK. As if an extra 5 minutes getting to the Brown line is on par with sitting stuck in rush hour traffic on 290 or 90/94 sucking down smog every day. Or paying significantly more for Metra (how many people actually get to live within 1/4 mile of a Metra stop in the burbs, anyway?).

    I’d think the Metra line isn’t nearly as aggravating as the squeaky Brown line, anybody here ever lived right off of one? I had friends who lived in lofts on Ravenswood who said it wasn’t a big deal, as the trains go by quickly.

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  21. “I’d think the Metra line isn’t nearly as aggravating as the squeaky Brown line, anybody here ever lived right off of one?”

    Lived where I would walk by one frequently (sort of near here). Does go by v. quickly and not too noisy. Mainly the woosh of the air, rather than clatter of tracks, except directly under bridges. Maybe a little close to the Belmost bridge, but that *is* being rebuilt, so will be quieter soon. Not so quiet, due to construction (including piledriving of new retaining walls), for a while, tho.

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  22. “I’d think the Metra line isn’t nearly as aggravating as the squeaky Brown line, anybody here ever lived right off of one? I had friends who lived in lofts on Ravenswood who said it wasn’t a big deal, as the trains go by quickly.”

    I actually grew up in Highland Park across the street from the Metra line, and I mostly remember it being annoying in the summer w/ windows were open and trying to watch TV (those were the pre-DVR days!). And Metra doesn’t run 24/7. I’d certainly consider proximity to Metra above proximity to El, but neither is ideal when spending over half a million dollars on a home…

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  23. looking to buy on March 19th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    “Yeah, OK. As if an extra 5 minutes getting to the Brown line is on par with sitting stuck in rush hour traffic on 290 or 90/94 sucking down smog every day. Or paying significantly more for Metra (how many people actually get to live within 1/4 mile of a Metra stop in the burbs, anyway?).”

    I second that North Center is a far commute from the loop. The commute from some Metra areas is faster than walking to the brown line and taking it to the loop from North center.

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  24. I live right on a METRA track. The noise is not a big deal at all. The biggest drawback is that it kicks up a lot of dust. You don’t actually notice it when it goes by, but our deck that overlooks the track (and is maybe 20 feet above track level) gets dirty very quickly. It’s a pain to

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  25. hit send too soon…

    It’s a pain to have to clean off the furniture on the deck EVERY time you go out there. The 300+ sq ft deck with a skyline view was a big draw when we moved in, but has been less useful than we thought due to this issue.

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  26. I would also rather be near the Metra than the CTA. At least the Metra is relatively clean. I would also rather hear sounds from real trains rather than the clickety clack, screeching noises from the CTA.

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  27. METRA dust averse? METRA dusting always? METRA dust attacker? METRA dust afflicted? METRA dusted appurtenance? METRA dusted armchairs? METRA dust accumulator?

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  28. nonny: you’re really not going to tell us about your kid’s school situation? Seems a little unfair.

    I don’t have any additional info on the kid I mentioned. Hardly see anyone randomly w the cold weather.

    Waiting on cps letters this week…

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  29. Assuming you live a 5 minute walk away from the Metra station. maybe. But really, who is taking public transit who less than a 45-minute, door-to-door (that’s the kicker) commute to the Loop?

    But to go so far as to name this location a “far” commute from the Loop strikes me as pretty silly. If speed is more important than comfort you can always take the Red or Purple Line from Belmont (personally, I’d rather allow more time and take the much less crowded Brown line).

    “I second that North Center is a far commute from the loop. The commute from some Metra areas is faster than walking to the brown line and taking it to the loop from North center.”

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  30. good luck DZ!

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  31. I live across Ravenswood from the Metra tracks. I work from home — my office faces the tracks — and most days go by without my noticing the trains at all. I was apprehensive when we moved in but it’s really not an issue.

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  32. “There is no ‘North Center neighborhood’, is purely a C.A. thing.”

    Yes, there is. Centered on Irving/Lincoln/Damen. Addison to Montrose, Ravenswood to Western. Sometimes referred to as St. Bens, but much more commonly called North Center these days.

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  33. “Icky needs to get that wiki going.”

    did anyone fill out my CC ID form? I don’t even remember which thread it went on.

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  34. tfo is this part of the north lathrop subsection?

    there was an article in the trib yesterday or day before saying they shouldn’t flatten what’s left of lathrop bc it is solid construction and pretty pleasant with all the grass and trees. but I’m guessin that don’t matter to who counts.

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  35. “Waiting on cps letters this week…”

    Good luck!

    “you’re really not going to tell us about your kid’s school situation?”

    I’m always looking fowards, ever, ever fowards. Of course I want them to go someplace they’ll love (yes, even if it’s someplace over-run with reverse-baseball hat/black North Face jacket wearing future Lake View-then-a-burb dwellers whose identities are defined during and after college largely by their enthusiasm for how groups of people other than themselves excel at moving a ball around a field or court), but I must confess that I hope they go someplace that’s nice to visit often or for extended periods, e.g., UC Santa Cruz or Santa Barbara, CO College or Fort Lewis, or the like. If they’re academic heavyweights, then I guess Stanford would be okay. If not, maybe Central Wyoming College (Jackson campus) or the like. I know I’ll still be working full time throughout that entire 8(ish) year period, but hopefully by that point we’ll be in a place where we could rent a furnished place for weeks or months at a time and work mostly from there (obviously less so while the younger’s still in HS, but after that, I’d gladly go somewhere warm from Thanksgiving through Jan, or to a mountain town for Feb/March; I guess in an ideal world one kid would go to school near a nice coastal area and the other would go near ski terrain with consistently heavy snowfall, both with direct flights from Chicago).

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  36. “tfo is this part of the north lathrop subsection?”

    I say no, as Lathrop is west of Damen. True NoCoCo here.

    “there was an article in the trib yesterday or day before saying they shouldn’t flatten what’s left of lathrop bc it is solid construction and pretty pleasant with all the grass and trees. but I’m guessin that don’t matter to who counts.”

    Some validity there, beyond nimbyism. It’s tough bc the overall river plan need the south of Diversey substantially changed to create some riverfront trail space–sidewalk along Leavitt there is okay, but should be better. Lack of parking in existing layout also a problem. Also (imo) probably tough to carve those existing buildings into ~50% desirable size/bedroom mix of market rate housing and maintain the ~20% public housing, and ~30% subsidized.

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  37. “Yes, there is. Centered on Irving/Lincoln/Damen. Addison to Montrose, Ravenswood to Western. Sometimes referred to as St. Bens, but much more commonly called North Center these days.”

    The Chamber of Commerce is doing a fairly decent job, but that’s not a bona fide (skeptic-approved) neighborhood.

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  38. “The Chamber of Commerce is doing a fairly decent job, but that’s not a bona fide (skeptic-approved) neighborhood.”

    Oh puh-leeze. What would you call it then?

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  39. “I guess in an ideal world one kid would go to school near a nice coastal area and the other would go near ski terrain with consistently heavy snowfall, both with direct flights from Chicago”

    Good gravy, you’ve gone from Unicorn Criteria to Children of the Unicorn!

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  40. “What would you call it then?”

    “between Roscoe Village and Lincoln Square” or “West of Lake View (of course *not* West LV)” or “St Bens” or “Coonley/Bell (depending on n/s of IPR)” or “near Montrose/Irving/Addison and Damen/Western (as applicable)”, all of which I have (roughly) used to describe where I live for over a decade.

    I *hate* NorthCenter, beyond the unassailablosity of the CA designation, for it’s utter meaninglessness.

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  41. “For more than one half of a million dollars, is it asking too much to hire a photographer? There are lots and lots of them in Chicago.”

    Let’s see you stretch to buy a 650k property on essentially a middle class economic footing and see if you have change left over for anything else 😀

    I drive by these houses all the time. Also it’s safe to say that picture of downtown might be from the roofdeck, but its not a person holding a camera it’s a person taking a pic through periscope or setting the timer right and attaching the camera to a 20ft pole. There is no Fin way these buildings are any taller than that blue house.

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  42. A family member of mine recently purchased a rehabbed foreclosure in the silicon valley a 10 min drive from his world famous employer in cuptertino for about $500 a sq foot. This unit at $322 psf (not counting the garage) makes Chicago look like a steal!

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  43. “I *hate* NorthCenter, beyond the unassailablosity of the CA designation, for it’s utter meaninglessness.”

    It’s not meaningless. Not at all.

    The North Center neighborhood designation per the MLS is larger than the North Center neighborhood which has been around about 100 years. Heck, a quick Google search turns up that the North Center Chamber of Commerce has been in operation since 1946. Someone was apparently calling the neighborhood that before most of us were born.

    As an MLS designation- it now encompasses other “neighborhoods” including Roscoe Village.

    This location is NOT West Lakeview. Sorry. It’s just not. It’s right on the border though.

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  44. “The Chamber of Commerce is doing a fairly decent job, but that’s not a bona fide (skeptic-approved) neighborhood.”

    You’re wrong anon(tfo). The Tribune did an article about the North Center neighborhood a few years ago talking about its long history and how/why it was built there (the immigrant groups that originally lived there.) Also described how the greatest generation and, more recently, the baby boomers were aging out so the neighborhood was changing again (as we know- seeing the McMansions that have gone in etc.)

    And yes- it has been called “North Center” for decades. It is NOT a made up realtor description like “west bucktown” (aka Humboldt Park.)

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  45. Has anon(tfo) trolling been trolling again?

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  46. “The North Center neighborhood designation per the MLS is larger than the North Center neighborhood which has been around about 100 years. Heck, a quick Google search turns up that the North Center Chamber of Commerce has been in operation since 1946. Someone was apparently calling the neighborhood that before most of us were born.

    As an MLS designation- it now encompasses other “neighborhoods” including Roscoe Village.”

    Um, yeah, ‘Roscoe Village’ is a realtor made up place from about the time of the pencil lofts conversion; for the entire existence of the ‘roscoe village neighborhood’ it has been part of North Center–‘North Center’ has existed as a Community Area designation since the UC folks portioned everything out in ~1920.

    And, yeah, duh, it’s not meaningless as a Community Area (that’s what I wrote)–still, ‘north center’ isn’t descriptive of the area in any historical Chicago context–sure, sure, it’s sorta in the center of the northside, in a gap between other community areas with a better defined identity (North of western LP, west of LV, south of LS and east of the (over broad) Irving Park), so why not North and Center, since Ravenswood wasn’t really a fit for the leftover area, either? Fine reductive argument; *horrible* place name–no zing.

    The only thing I could care less about than ‘MLS neighborhoods’, is HD’s DH routine.

    “This location is NOT West Lakeview. Sorry. It’s just not. It’s right on the border though.”

    F’ing ridiculous strawman. Specifically said *not* that. It *is* accurately described as west *OF* LV.

    “And yes- it has been called “North Center” for decades. It is NOT a made up realtor description like “west bucktown” (aka Humboldt Park.)”

    Um, yeah, duh. The whole Community Area, from Ravenswood to the River, from Diversey to Montrose has been called North Center since ~1920. That doesn’t make the ‘neighborhood’ North Center, any more than the Community Area designation of 2700 N Clybourn makes Costco bona fide “Lincoln Park” (and yes, Costco most definitely *is* in the LP Community Area).

    Also, don’t forget to add ‘roscoe village’ to that made up realtor designation like “west Bucktown”; same thing, different decade–RV, at the time that some (smart) realtor had that bridge painted, was a heavy gang neighborhood. Even into the mid 80s, houses in “prime” RV locations could be had for ~$30k.

    I’ve lived happily in the North Center community area for 15 years, known that whole time it was the ‘proper’ designation, and have *never* liked describing the *neighborhood* (as opposed to Community Area) as North Center. And defending it by reference to realtor designations makes me more comfortable eschewing it.

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  47. The “neighborhood” of North Center is the same as the “neighborhood” of Roscoe Village. Both are in the greater MLS designation of North Center. So if you’re just disagreeing that the whole area should be called North Center- that’s fine. It’s what the area is called. Why is Bucktown in Logan Square? It is what it is. It’s just a sub-neighborhood.

    I guess everyone is confused because I didn’t call this Roscoe Village in the listing but referred to it by the greater community name instead. I should have been clearer. The neighborhood of North Center (and yes, that’s what the old timers even call it) is further north- north of Addison.

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  48. The man who shall not be named will probably chime in to tell us the real history of how Roscoe Village got that name. But from a quick search of the all knowing Internet, it appears that that area was officially a neighborhood known as Riverview for decades and only became “Roscoe Village” in the 1980s after the Riverview mall and other things associated with that long ago name were torn down.

    I doubt the name “Riverview” was a real estate made up name in the 1920s. Roscoe Village might have been- but it was already an official neighborhood for 60 or 70 years by then anyway. It’s not like it was Sandburg Village or anything and built as a planned community and then named.

    I’m okay with that because that’s how Southport the neighborhood also came about. It’s usually shops/restaurants or a park and an El stop of some kind that transforms an area into a sub-neighborhood. People just started calling the area around Southport street as “Southport” like 15-20 years ago and as more people moved in and stayed there it stuck.

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  49. “Also, don’t forget to add ‘roscoe village’ to that made up realtor designation like “west Bucktown”; same thing, different decade–RV, at the time that some (smart) realtor had that bridge painted, was a heavy gang neighborhood. Even into the mid 80s, houses in “prime” RV locations could be had for ~$30k.”

    I don’t know if a realtor made up the name Roscoe Village. But the area was already known for some decades before that. Neighborhoods change all the time anon(tfo). They become part of the history of the city. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t a living, breathing neighborhood.

    Same thing about Old Town and Lincoln Park in the 1970s. Totally crime ridden. Boarded up buildings everywhere. I recommend everyone watch that brown line video on Youtube making the rounds from the early 1980s (in the 70s it was even worse) that shows what the “view” was like from the Brown line in lovely Lincoln Park. Yeah…nice war zone like appearance there. What a dump. You could buy buildings for $30,000 then all over that area around DePaul too.

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  50. Oh they’re splitting hairs even further these days. One met a gal at an event in NC and she referred to her ‘hood as “st. bens”. I would’ve laughed out loud at that if she weren’t so hot.

    Calling your neighborhood after the local parish sounds european medieval to me like Medieval Times out in Schaumburg.

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  51. ‘I’ve lived happily in the North Center community area for 15 years, known that whole time it was the ‘proper’ designation, and have *never* liked describing the *neighborhood* (as opposed to Community Area) as North Center. And defending it by reference to realtor designations makes me more comfortable eschewing it.’

    Wow anon, someone knows the neighborhood they live in. Now if you could only apply that logic to the massive ‘neighborhood’ known in broker and parvenue buyer-speak as LP, you’d be on to something. I don’t know much about North Center other than I hear it’s a very nice area and it sounds like a great selling point, but if it sells a house then everything becomes NC. You spend years investing in a neighborhood, fixing it up and taking the lumps, and if/when it becomes successful everything within a 3 mile radius suddenly becomes *your* neighborhood. It’s a bit like identity theft isn’t it: pay your dues and let someone else take the equity. Think about that the next time Sabrina posts some whacked out house at Ashland and Diversey, or Belgravia’s Montana Row as being located in LP…. community yes, neighborhood and all the good it implies – a big no.

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  52. Oh they’re splitting hairs even further these days. One met a gal at an event in NC and she referred to her ‘hood as “st. bens”.

    People were referring to that area as “St. Ben’s” when I lived just south of there in the early ’90s (and probably long before that). It was pretty common among old-timers in Chicago to conflate their parish and their neighborhood.

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  53. “Think about that the next time Sabrina posts some whacked out house at Ashland and Diversey, or Belgravia’s Montana Row as being located in LP…. community yes, neighborhood and all the good it implies – a big no.”

    Problem is (1) an absence of a recognizable descriptor smaller than the community area for many hoods, and (2) shared community area and ‘true’ hood names. It’s always the question ‘what else do you call it’? even when the community area name might sow confusion.

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  54. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    “Oh they’re splitting hairs” and “recognizable smaller descriptors”

    Makes me wonder who won the HD/Bob Penis size challenge #4

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  55. “over-run with reverse-baseball hat/black North Face jacket wearing”

    Patagonia is the new North-Face. North Face is “out”, yesterday’s news.

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  56. I love these conversations. Could read this stuff all day…

    My only dog in this fight is being violently offended by the “Northcenter” version, jesus h christ, when will that end? Lincolnpark? Logansquare? I

    On a related side note, count me in the camp of people who would rather see Riverview resurrected as a neighborhood name than see Roscoe Village continue to be misused to properties west of Western or south of Belmont. You don’t need the park to honestly claim that a view of the river (especially given the public access at Clark Park) is pretty cool.

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  57. LOFL! Patagonia was cutting-edge hip in about 1990, you rube.

    “Patagonia is the new North-Face. North Face is “out”, yesterday’s news.”

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  58. ” Riverview resurrected as a neighborhood name”

    Works all the way up to Montrose (maybe Wilson), and eliminates the foolishness of calling the east of the river/west of Western/north of IPR area Horner Park (the Trib, among others, does this), when the park is entirely west of the river.

    I can get behind that.

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  59. “we’ll be in a place where we could rent a furnished place for weeks or months at a time and work mostly from there”

    I like how nonny thinks his kids will want him hanging around for months at a time in college. I’m thinking lil nonnies will be applying to non-coastal non-skiing places.

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  60. ” I’m thinking lil nonnies will be applying to non-coastal non-skiing places.”

    Possibly even places where intercollegiate athletics make up a big part of campus social live. Hello, College Station!

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  61. DZ/anon: I know, with my luck, I’ll find myself freezing many Saturday afternoons away in some college football stadium. But if their identities are going to go that route, hopefully they’ll at least play college sports.

    skeptic: I think dan was referring to the fact that Patagonia has suplanted North Face for many among the reverse-baseball-hat big 10 crowd. I don’t think those folks were sporting Patagonia (or even North Face, which was still fairly rarified then) in 1990.

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  62. “But if their identities are going to go that route, hopefully they’ll at least play college sports.”

    mmmm, 15 years of freezing (or roasting) on the sidelines. Sounds fun! Best just move to Naperville as soon as that seems possible.

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  63. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “LOFL! Patagonia was cutting-edge hip in about 1990, you rube.”

    Yep, they even had a store in SOHO in the early ’90’s

    North Face doesn’t always have stuff that I like, but when I do see something I like I am always impressed by the quality.

    As for Patagonia, never much liked their stuff but the actual place is just awesome.

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  64. “It was pretty common among old-timers in Chicago to conflate their parish and their neighborhood.”

    or based on the major park or monument of the hood also.

    i could car less how long North Center name and group has been around. I will and always refer to it as St Bens hood, refer to roscoe village as riverview area, refer to bucktown as a piece of shyte, refer ELP to as just Lincoln park same goes for ELV and lake view, will not say West town, Humboldt as just humbolt not east or west, shoot i wont even call six corners portage park area i will still say six corners area.

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  65. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Groove, you’re now like my dad who still says Boston Patriots and NY Knickerbockers. Congrats!!! Now we need to get you knew high black socks.

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  66. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Knee high.. Damn fat fingers and cell phone spell check. At least I caught knickerbockers being changed to endometriosis .

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  67. Thanks for referencing the “brown line” youtube video from 1981. I rode the Ravenswood El all the time back in 1981, and watching the video, it’s amazing how little has changed between then and now.

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  68. I should add little has changed in the Lakeview section of the line. Obviously, downtown skyline has changed a lot and there’s no more Cabrini Green.

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  69. “endometriosis”

    I just HAD to look that up…

    lmao NASTY DUDE!

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  70. How I do miss those old 6000-series El cars with the square windows (that you could open!) A bee once flew in through a window of one of those cars as we rode on it and stung my brother. I also remember how back then you could sit in the very front seat of an El car and have a view straight forward down the tracks, something I loved as a kid.

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  71. “LOFL! Patagonia was cutting-edge hip in about 1990, you rube.”

    If you would get out of commie-land where everyone wears Fidel Castro-drab and go visit where the SWPL lemmings live, you’d see that Patagonia is now “back”. We need Brad F. to investigate the stock price for whoever makes that brand.

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  72. The Temple: http://bit.ly/11jLOVI

    1800 N. Clybourn

    I think they’re on Walton St. too.

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  73. “Groove, you’re now like my dad who still says Boston Patriots and NY Knickerbockers. Congrats!!! Now we need to get you knew high black socks.”

    I have mowed my grass topless in shorts, black socks, and gym shoes (sorry no sandals) many many many times over.

    so my friend I am already there

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  74. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    “We need Brad F. to investigate the stock price for whoever makes that brand.”

    With ChuckECheese unfortunately MIA since my return, has Brad F become our new market prognosticator?

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  75. hey to lazy to look up but how is the leapfrog stock doing since the brad f call?

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  76. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    “hey to lazy to look up but how is the leapfrog stock doing since the brad f call?”

    I’ll guess he made the buy call mid Jan?

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  77. Suffice it to say, at the time Brad F. was talking about LF, it was already after the big run up. Then I recall Sabrina talking about LULU, and then I looked at that chart which went from $3 to $78. So, we should look into this Patagonia thing, start looking around, you’ll more yuppies in them. Trends don’t start in skeptic’s hood.

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  78. “I’ll guess he made the buy call mid Jan?”

    if we had a functioning wiki then we could trace his original call

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  79. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “So, we should look into this Patagonia thing,”

    Appears to be private company…

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  80. “Appears to be private company…”

    Surely we could do a private equity deal. Brad f has $2MM. Bobbo aspires to have $2MM someday.

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  81. “I’ll guess he made the buy call mid Jan?”

    Can’t quickly find initial call, but he *was* talking it up on 8/29, in the Pratt mansion thread. Dropped 27% in next 7 trading days, and is currently flat(ish) to that level as of today.

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  82. S&P500 is up about 10% since then, so it sounds like Brad F.’s pick is underperforming it by about 40%, pretty rough.

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  83. “S&P500 is up about 10% since then, so it sounds like Brad F.’s pick is underperforming it by about 40%, pretty rough”

    still dont think i was a pick as more of a scramble to cover up.

    IIRC it was because the chatteratti pointed out in his screen shot of all the tabs with leapfrog games in the background of his photshopped etrade account.

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  84. did bradF ever whoop grooves wife in tennis

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  85. “Surely we could do a private equity deal. Brad f has $2MM. Bobbo aspires to have $2MM someday.”

    That gets us to an aspirational 40 bps of a non-laughable offer. Assuming Brad was doing a pump’n’dump rather than riding LF (and AAPL–off ~1/3 since 8/29) down.

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  86. “That gets us to an aspirational 40 bps of a non-laughable offer.”

    Well, nonny makes plans as if he already had $2MM. And, well, umm, leverage!

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  87. “did bradF ever whoop grooves wife in tennis”

    wrong autozone on grand.

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  88. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    “Surely we could do a private equity deal. Brad f has $2MM. Bobbo aspires to have $2MM someday.”

    Count me in for a bag of kind bud on the bid!!! So 2 tranches of 2MM and a bag of weed.. Best part is, unlike the takeover of AAPL that you guys did, HD won’t have to file a 13D for us this time around.

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  89. gringozecarioca on March 20th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    ” Then I recall Sabrina talking about LULU”

    I always liked their stuff for my wife.. never knew their stock had such a run up.. Looks to Ze that it is about to shit all over itself though..

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  90. “Thanks for referencing the “brown line” youtube video from 1981. I rode the Ravenswood El all the time back in 1981, and watching the video, it’s amazing how little has changed between then and now.”

    Maybe we were watching 2 different videos Dan #2 because I see boarded up brick buildings all over the place and empty parking lots where buildings now stand. It’s like night and day. You can literally see how downtrodden the area between Armitage and Sedgwick is just from the nasty buildings- but that’s obviously LP and not Lakeview. It’s neat to see the track looking the same though (and that the line was still “slow” even back then.)

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  91. That front view was kind of disappointing in that it was mostly track. I would have really enjoyed a side window pov having ridden that route in for summer jobs throughout the eighties and stared out the window for most of it. Stuff has changed a bunch, it’s clear in the vid, but seeing the way it was in more detail after all these years would be the cool part for me. Too bad there were no google street view pics taken then.

    Dz, I madethemistakeof figuring out what your autozone joke was about having missed that lighthearted exchange of feb 26. Icarus owes me 45 min of my life back.

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  92. “out what your autozone joke was about having missed that lighthearted exchange of feb 26. Icarus owes me 45 min of my life back.”

    Don’t read crib chatter this Friday. You’ll get time and IQ pts back.

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  93. gringozecarioca on March 21st, 2013 at 7:55 am

    So this morning I see LULU beats estimates on earnings but shares are down premarket… All so confusing. Where is Brad F and ChuckeECheese when you need them….

    Now that my brain hurts, I will go to the beach before it rains…

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  94. “So this morning I see LULU beats estimates on earnings but shares are down premarket…”

    Didn’t hear about the ‘too sheer’ yoga pants?

    [waiting]

    Ze initiates coverage on LULU with ‘outperform’.

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  95. what is happening here friday?

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  96. CH, what do you mean?

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  97. gringozecarioca on March 21st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    “Didn’t hear about the ‘too sheer’ yoga pants?”

    Oh they would like that down here… Yes.. change of heart.. Buy,Buy,Buy!!!

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  98. Vlajos:
    “Don’t read crib chatter this Friday. You’ll get time and IQ pts back.”

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  99. “Oh they would like that down here”

    i would like that anywhere 😉

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  100. ^ sorry Groovester…..as stated on the other thread…the finger up/down are easy to mess up on a phone.

    We either need to be able to change a thumbs up/down or just put the down on one side of the page and up on the other side.

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  101. “sorry Groovester…..as stated on the other thread…the finger up/down are easy to mess up on a phone.”

    no worries, i dont look at or use the thumb thingy so wouldnt have even noticed it or cared if i did.

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  102. I didn’t know there was a Riverview Mall. The only Riverview I remember was the amusement park that closed down in 1967, formerly located at the northwest corner of Western & Belmont. The park opened in 1904. My parents used to talk about riding the Bobs rollercoaster there.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/photo/chi-080714-riverview-photogallery,0,2410358.photogallery

    “I doubt the name “Riverview” was a real estate made up name in the 1920s. Roscoe Village might have been- but it was already an official neighborhood for 60 or 70 years by then anyway. It’s not like it was Sandburg Village or anything and built as a planned community and then named.”

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  103. “I didn’t know there was a Riverview Mall.”

    Not a ‘mall’ (ever). A grocer-anchored shopping center. Had a (horrible) Dominick’s for a long time; now a Mariano’s, also a Walgreens, Toys’r’Us, etc. Really looking up compared to 5 years ago.

    and, as the intertubez say: “The [Melrose-Oakley block] club eventually grew to include all of Roscoe Village, or Riverview, as the area was then [sometime after 1977] commonly called.”

    linky: http://roscoevillage.org/about-rvn/history/

    It was called “Riverview” in the late 70s!! Yes, it was a neighborhood, but a neighborhood called Riverview, *not* ‘Roscoe Village’. And that shopping center was Riverview Shopping Center until Mariano’s moved in, when it got changed to Roscoe Square.

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  104. “Bobbo aspires to have $2MM someday.”

    Would be a helluva lot easier and possible if I could find an asset class with returns not linked to the market. The Harvard endowment fund doesn’t think I have the pedigree to take my $ and CalPERs appears to be too busy as of late 😀

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  105. Err meant double digit returns. And the rally from 2009-present don’t count as organic growth (the rally’s a hedge against money that is being rapidly debased).

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  106. your mom is kinda cute juliana

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  107. Looks like a great time to have lived in America. Compare those photos (like the girls in #16), and the people in the rest, to the obese, unkempt slobs and gangbangers at Great America in Gurnee in the 21st century. I once saw some old Thirties photos of Blarney Island in Chain o Lakes and the couples are dressed up, men in ties, etc. Try comparing that to the bar’s website today: http://mmcreativephotography.com/blarneyisland

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  108. Or heck compare those photos with the guilt-laden white people in Logan Square who have been brainwashed into thinking diversity is some big goal (meanwhile they surround themselves with other white people who look & think exactly like them). It took years of conditioning to get those people to believe in the lie of diversity being inherently good.

    I bet the viaduct at Belmont & Western was first world back then, too–you certainly can’t claim that today.

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  109. White people be crazy!
    Most serial killers area white too…

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  110. What’s with Barney island? I have a soft spot in my heart for wt.

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  111. “I have a soft spot in my heart for wt.”

    because you still are wt deep down in your heart?

    I knew you moved to Mundelein

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  112. gringozecarioca on March 22nd, 2013 at 8:58 am

    “Err meant double digit returns. And the rally from 2009-present don’t count as organic growth (the rally’s a hedge against money that is being rapidly debased).”

    Not the correct usage of the word hedge (the hedge would be the undertaking of the position for protection against…, it would not be used to reflect movement) movement caused by people hedging would be closer to accurate, but you do not know if that is the case, nor does anyone… damn white people with MBA’s… and who cares about the movement being “organic” or not, so long as you get the return.

    Now off to gym and beach… then of course, lunch and a nap…

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  113. “I once saw some old Thirties photos of Blarney Island in Chain o Lakes and the couples are dressed up, men in ties, etc. Try comparing that to the bar’s website today: http://mmcreativephotography.com/blarneyisland

    LMAO, Danny. You have a knack for zeroing in on the worst aspects of the hoi polloi.
    A friend sent me this yesterday:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296678/Stunning-black-white-photographs-hustle-bustle-streets-Manhattan-serenity-Central-Park-impromptu-meetups-sidewalks-New-York.html
    New York in the 70s when it was wild and dirty but also very stylish.

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  114. blarney island

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-08-27/features/9508270027_1_pontoon-boats-clothes

    sadly, I didnt hear about this place until it was too late

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  115. People say the chain of lakes is all trashy; but I’m totally for a lake for ‘the people’. lake geneva, green lake, whitewater , etc, have all been taken over by superbly rich brethren who destroyed the feeling and the culture of the idea of a ‘lake house’ where family and friends can get together on a weekend for a little family fun. The homes on lake geneva are compounds these days and most other lakes within 200 miles of chicago have been taken over by rich folks in $500,000 summer homes. But up there the chain – lots of wt, lots of ‘regular folks’ and ‘people’ just looking for (mostly) some fun.

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  116. I was like wt?
    What’s wt?
    Is it the name of the guy in the hat with the dreads?
    Is he famous?
    OH, wt!
    I get it.
    Btw, are the 2 drunk bikini girls pregnant?

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  117. “Btw, are the 2 drunk bikini girls pregnant?”

    Will email my joke about this to you later. Sabrina would delete it.

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  118. LOL: http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/89648501a1a7b2c92615d02d3f744a11/l.jpg

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