130+ Days for an Arts & Crafts SFH in Ravenswood Manor: 4524 N. Mozart
This 3-bedroom arts & crafts single family home at 4524 N. Mozart in Ravenswood Manor came on the market in May 2015.
The listing says it has had a “total 2010 renovation” but it still retains much of its original vintage character, including woodwork, built-ins and crown molding.
The kitchen has been expanded and has custom cabinetry, 2 farmhouse sinks, granite counter tops and stainless steel Bosch appliances.
There are also 2 new bathrooms including the master bath with a stand-up shower.
The house has a second floor deck off the back bedroom and a partially finished basement which also has two more bedrooms and a full bath, along with a laundry room.
Built in 1914, it has a 2-car garage on a 30x122x31x122 lot.
It is just a few blocks from the Francisco brown line stop.
The house has been reduced $149,500 to $875,000 since May.
Has the hot market cooled in Ravenswood Manor?
Susan McKenna at Third Meridian Realty has the listing. See the pictures here.
4524 N. Mozart: 3 bedrooms, 3.5 baths, 2474 square feet
- Sold in November 1991 for $208,000
- Originally listed in May 2015 for $1.025 million
- Reduced several times
- Currently listed at $875,000
- Taxes of $8784
- Central Air
- 2-car garage
- Wood burning fireplace
- Bedroom #1: 14×16 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 10×12 (second floor)
- Bedroom #3: 10×12 (second floor)
- Bedroom #4: 10×17 (basement
- Bedroom #5: 10×14 (basement)
The current price seems right for the area. This area has always been expensive.
Nice place but ultimately it’s a 3 bedroom home (basement ‘bedrooms’ don’t count) on a 30′ wide lot in an area surrounded by gangs, murders, riff-raff and petty criminals.
http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/search/?d=1&address=4524+n+mozart&geocode=41.96383285522461%2C-87.70012664794922
The 2010 renovation looked like the bathrooms and kitchen were renovated, but it’s not clear if insulation was put in throughout the house, the windows look mostly original, which is OK, but requires lots of heat. THE GFA/AC is nice.
But overall, its’ the ridiculous asking prices for homes in the city that ultimately made me leave. It’s too bad, I would have loved to stay, but $875,000 for this home is pretty ridicluos.
Here’s a slightly smaller but comparable house on a larger lot in ‘the villa’ over $225,000 less expensive, under contract too.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/3718-N-Harding-Ave-60618/home/13455783
I agree HD. They will probably get close to their current asking price though. If I had $875k to spend, I would not choose to live here. Sauganash is much more appealing if you’re going to live in a far flung area of the city.
@ Jenny.
No Brown-line in Sauganash. So ‘far flung’ equation is far off.
sauganash doesn’t want public trans.
Who the hell would buy in the Villa over Manor? Not me.
Nothing about this place another 75K price drop wouldn’t cure-they’ve been greedy.
the manor is totally overrated. the fact that our d bag guv lived there is all you need to know about somebody who would buy an overpriced 3 bedroom home on a 30′ lot in a neighborhood surrounded by murders. the villa isn’t quite so crime ridden and is next to Old irving and independence park and other gentrified areas, that is, if you want s similar craftsman home. but to eaches own. I live in long grove, some people thing this place is heaven, some think it’s hell
Why is everyone so obsessed with public transportation? If you can at all avoid it, why take it: http://www.redeyechicago.com/news/cta/redeye-avoiding-poop-winter-cta-20141117-story.html
“the villa isn’t quite so crime ridden and is next to Old irving and independence park and other gentrified areas, that is, if you want s similar craftsman home. but to eaches own”
the manor is next to ravenswood gardens and bascially lincoln sq. I think that trumps oip.
This house looks very nice. There must be something wrong with it. Ravenswood Manor is on fire, so close to Lincoln Square, easy commute to downtown, good neighborhood school, near Lycee Francais, etc.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/4435-N-Manor-Ave-60625/unit-1/home/13489138
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/4433-N-Mozart-St-60625/home/13489628
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/4508-N-California-Ave-60625/home/13488618
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2926-W-Leland-Ave-60625/home/12582909
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2734-W-Agatite-Ave-Chicago-IL-60625/3643473_zpid/
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2767-W-Wilson-Ave-Chicago-IL-60625/3643356_zpid/
“I think that trumps oip”
But Smoque! And that mulberry bush that HD hid his gold-filled coffee can under!!
“Who the hell would buy in the Villa over Manor?” and “the manor is next to ravenswood gardens and basically Lincoln sq. I think that trumps oip.”
does it really have to be a one or the other contest? These are both fine homes and decent neighborhoods. One might work better than the other for someone for a multitude of reasons.
for instance, the Villa would work better for me in regards to my current commute.
I haven’t the faintest where the manor is, but there are aspects of this house I like.
Interesting article in Crains about glut of $1 million homes in some suburbs.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/realestate/20151006/CRED0701/150929932/this-suburb-has-too-many-1-million-plus-homes-for-sale#utm_medium=email&utm_source=ccb-dailyalert&utm_campaign=ccb-dailyalert-20151006
Burr Ridge. never heard of the place. is it a chicago suburb?
“Interesting article in Crains about glut of $1 million homes in some suburbs.”
I feel like it is a generational thing with what Millenials and Generation Xers want versus what the Baby Boomers bought in the late 1980s and 1990s and are now trying to sell.
There were a lot of big McMansion homes, some like 6,000 and 7,000 square feet, with 5 or 6 bathrooms and 2 kitchens built in that era in suburbs like Burr Ridge, North Barrington, St. Charles and the like. But Gen X (which already has its kids well on in school now) and Millenials (which have no money mostly anyway) don’t want to buy, and renovate, these huge 1980s homes.
I’ve seen a lot of those homes in the northwestern suburbs that haven’t been renovated since they were built. Even if you have the money, who wants to go in and literally renovate 6 bathrooms all at once? Buyers don’t want to do it. So many of these properties are sitting- even after being reduced.
Also, Gen X and the Millennials want to be near towns. They want Southport- but in the suburbs with the better schools. So they will move to Naperville near or in the historic downtown, versus those houses way out by the Fox Valley Mall at that Arnold Palmer golf course. I’m sure if you ran the stats for Naperville, the inventories are much lower in the historic downtown and the market times are probably less.
That’s why, in this article, inventories are less in downtown Hinsdale- near shops, restaurants and the Metra stop.
for instance, the Villa would work better for me in regards to my current commute.
Gasp. Icarus- are you saying that everyone DOESN’T work in the Loop? That someone might work at Midway Airport or Stroger Hospital, or IIT, or University of Chicago Hospital, or Wrigley (which is mostly on Goose Island now)?
I can’t believe that would be possible.
If I had $1 million to spend and wanted to live in the suburbs, I would be looking in Kenilworth or Winnetka. The houses are smaller, but both of these towns have cute homes on pretty streets. I’ve never been to Burr Ridge, but my impression is that it’s filled with a lot of ugly McMansions.
You could have this: http://www.estately.com/listings/info/6421-south-garfield-avenue
Or this: http://www.estately.com/listings/info/543-melrose-avenue
I’ll take the second.
“Even if you have the money, who wants to go in and literally renovate 6 bathrooms all at once?”
If you have the money to do it, 9 out of ten it’s better and cheaper to just build new. The 10th time it’s just better.
“are you saying that everyone DOESN’T work in the Loop?”
Um, if one works in the Loop, being 2 blocks from the IPR or Addison Blue Line stop is a much shorter commute than being 2-4 blocks from the Francisco (or god forbid Kedzie) Brown Line stop. And if one works in the Loop, but has to fly somewhere 2 or 3 times a month, then its *hugely* better.
There’s a price for everything and $1,000,000 for a home in the crappy part of Burr Ridge is too much. This isn’t a situation like the abandonment of the mansions of prairie street as the neighborhood when to hell in a hangbag. Burr Ridge will remain nice but homes might only be $175 psf, not $300.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Burr-Ridge/8151-Lake-Ridge-Dr-60527/home/17916919
This home is so big that it’s practically unlivable. The great room with the puny tv above mantle looks absurdly ridiculous.
There’s a price for this house and it needs a 1/3rd hair cut.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Burr-Ridge/121-Ashton-Dr-60527/home/17996046
This is not 8,000 sq feet; it’s 5,533 sq ft plus a basement. It’s actually listed at $200 psf, not $144 like the listing suggests. $144 psf would be approximately $800,000 which seems like a more reasonable price.
“This home is so big that it’s practically unlivable.”
Yet:
“YARD IS SUPER-SIZED GREAT FOR POOL OR SPORTS CORE”
lot is less than an acre–hardly “super-sized”, and typical realtor non-understanding: sports *court* not “core”.
Spent almost $100 psf on reno, and couldn’t get all the ugly out, or make the space seem livable. Fail.
“There’s a price for everything and $1,000,000 for a home in the crappy part of Burr Ridge is too much.”
so in 14 hours you went from not knowing where Burr Ridge was to being able to identify the crappy parts of it.
must be a slow day at the courts
Burr Ridge fucking sucks, that entire suburb is full of god awful homes like that. I can only imagine the people that live in those homes are just as insufferable as they are to look at.
“so in 14 hours you went from not knowing where Burr Ridge was to being able to identify the crappy parts of it.”
I’ve really come around to Burr Ridge. I love it.
“I can only imagine the people that live in those homes are just as insufferable as they are to look at.”
True of the small handful of people I have known who electively lived in Burr Ridge or any length of time.
“I’ve really come around to Burr Ridge.”
It was the proximity to all of those warehouses in Willowbrook that did it, right?
Yeah, and the close proximity to the mountain bike trails at Palos.
I thought horses were allowed on those trails too.
Manor is not surrounded by crime-filled areas, that is just ignorant. Really just going SW/W/NW does it get bad. The commute from Francisco is, on paper, another 11-12 minutes to the loop each way but it’s much more pleasant as you will get your own seat nearly every time inbound, a better class of fellow traveler, and in reality the Blue Line has slow zones and construction going on that the Brown Line already dealt with that will make the CTA’s published times highly questionable for years to come.
Why anyone would NOT take transit in Chicago is beyond me. I would never consider a property not within a half mile of the train.
HD – If you’re referring to the crime in Albany Park, it’s only a matter of time before rents go up and the undesirables are squeezed out. The surrounding neighborhoods are all beautiful and pricey with nice residents. Montrose is strong with a nice mix of old and new retail. Lawrence is next. I’m bullish on Albany Park and the whole Northwest Side. You can still get a semi-bargain in Albany Park if you look. It’s going to be a whole different animal in 10 years. Ravenswood Manor is blue chip and has been for years. It’s already expensive and will hold its value.
“The commute from Francisco is, on paper, another 11-12 minutes to the loop each way”
aka, 50% longer. And that then assumes that your destination is closer to Washington/Wells, than Dearborn/Monroe. Yeah, yeah, switch to Red, fine, but without a guarantee of minimal wait at Belmont, it’s almost a wash.
All I was trying to say is that saying that “Villa works better for my commute than Manor” does not *necessarily* mean that one doesn’t work in the Loop.
“Also, Gen X and the Millennials want to be near towns.”
I just heard a report that the overwhelming majority of Millennials who are actually buying property are buying in the suburbs rather than in cities (overall nationally) despite the hype that they are all moving into trendy city neighborhoods. I think it was based upon NAHB data.
Burr Ridge has a lot of commercial/industrial development in addition the residential – maybe it’s all builders building their own houses?
“I just heard a report that the overwhelming majority of Millennials who are actually buying property are buying in the suburbs rather than in cities (overall nationally) despite the hype that they are all moving into trendy city neighborhoods.”
This is because when we think of Millennials we only think of urban dwelling college educated higher income earning Millennials, which comprise only a minority of Millennials.
“True of the small handful of people I have known who electively lived in Burr Ridge or any length of time.”
solid anecdata, can confirm this as well
“Why anyone would NOT take transit in Chicago is beyond me. I would never consider a property not within a half mile of the train.”
1. I don’t enjoy being squeezed in with other people. I don’t want to be touched or have a stranger’s leg next to mine while sitting. Invariably, you will end up touching a stranger or being touched by a stranger if you ride during rush hour. My car is my safety pod designed to make it so that I can be by myself in my own little cocoon.
2. I can’t stand the various smells – from the subway platforms to the trains themselves, there is always a bad smell of some sort or another. With my car, I can roll up my window if there is a bad smell.
3. I try to avoid various beggars when possible and the El is just another opportunity for people to beg. It’s worse than just passing someone begging on the street because you can’t easily escape the beggars. With my car, I can roll up my window when someone is begging and look away so as to avoid eye contact (although, this has drawn ire of beggars).
4. I dislike the sounds the El makes as well as the sounds of various passengers. In my car, there are no crying babies or people whose headphones leak noise into my space.
I’m so sick of entire generations of people being stereotyped. People are people.
“Manor is not surrounded by crime-filled areas, that is just ignorant. Really just going SW/W/NW does it get bad.”
Basically the Albany Park west of the river is bad. S/SE of the home is a park and the river. That’s a lot. There’s no expressway, major river, forest preserve, industrial park or anything blocking the free flow of hoodlums. The Manor is basically a frontier neighborhood and while it might be OK for some to live like kinds on the edge of the 3rd world, everything has a price, and this is not it.
“I think it was based upon NAHB data.”
So, the trade association for the builders of suburban homes sez that demand for their product is strong?
I’m shocked! Shocked!!
I live in Lincoln Square, use the Western stop. It’s about 30 minutes door to door on the brown line in the morning. Going home I take the red and transfer at Belmont. Typically cuts the commute by 10 minutes.
“If you’re referring to the crime in Albany Park, it’s only a matter of time before rents go up and the undesirables are squeezed out.”
Rents are going up everywhere, while I too am bullish on the NW side, I’ve always predicted Albany Park will be one of the last to change due to the high apartment density and distance from the loop. There’s just so many option viable options for urban millennial types or families looking for good schooling options to live. I’ve always thought that anything off the blue line has long term potential, particularly Mayfair (despite its boringness), Jeff Park, Gladstone, etc. long term schools are always an issue for families and its’ a buyers market for parents with money looking for schools. I just met a couple a few weeks ago, bought a SFH in Huboldt park on a wave of gentrification; and whooops they had a baby and suddenly are concerned about playgrounds and schools. They admitted they’re looking to sell in the next year or two. This is a common scenario all over the city outside of teh handful of neighborhoods with good elementary schools
“2. I can’t stand the various smells – from the subway platforms to the trains themselves, there is always a bad smell of some sort or another. With my car, I can roll up my window if there is a bad smell.”
Start smoking, it will dull your sense of smell AND keep you skinny!
“3. I try to avoid various beggars when possible and the El is just another opportunity for people to beg. It’s worse than just passing someone begging on the street because you can’t easily escape the beggars. With my car, I can roll up my window when someone is begging and look away so as to avoid eye contact (although, this has drawn ire of beggars).”
Look at them in the eye and shrug. Works every time.
“Basically the Albany Park west of the river is bad. S/SE of the home is a park and the river.”
Horner Park? With the organic farmers market? I workout there all the time. It’s full of families, kids, couples and dogs. The last time I was there, two little UMC girls with their nanny befriended me and we did cartwheels together. They told me their parents were always travelling for business. The parents were obviously professionals. Am I missing something?
“It’s about 30 minutes door to door on the brown line in the morning.”
train door to train door perhaps. no way it’s home to office doors, nevermind groove’s azz-to-azz metric.
“True of the small handful of people I have known who electively lived in Burr Ridge or any length of time.”
“solid anecdata, can confirm this as well”
the one person I know from burr ridge I like, though she lived there only as a child, so I suppose not really electively.
Here’s the place to live in burr ridge (a great john houseman name). Okay could use a reno, but the pool and tennis core!
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Burr-Ridge/11300-79th-St-60527/home/14044086/mred-08598905
“no way it’s home to office doors”
Sure, if “home” is the 7-11 next to the Western stop (or similarly close) and office is the 7-11 at Washington/Wells (or similarly close).
Not sure how adding a ~5 minute walk in the evening makes for a 20 minute flip trip. Obviously would be 10 minutes faster than riding the Brown around the loop (which is listed as a 40 to 44 minute trip, as opposed to the 30 to 34 minute trip there), but “10 minutes faster than 10 minutes slower” seems to be a wash.
“the place to live in burr ridge”
I’d be worried every night about the droogs showing up.
What makes a pool a “sport pool”?
“I’d be worried every night about the droogs showing up.”
tis somewhat visible from teh street.
“What makes a pool a “sport pool”?”
always w the questions. is a bball hoop good enough?
what’s the little water area taht is not the hot tub?
“what’s the little water area taht is not the hot tub?”
Dog pool?
“tis somewhat visible from teh street.”
Barely. And we all know that droogs hate ‘modernist’ ‘architecture’ almost as much as Dano Hof does, so you’re wearing a bullseye, especially so proximate to McCook.
“Dog pool?”
jenny!
“Barely”
You have driven by, in the winter time, sans foliage, and looked?
Maybe all these McMansions will be converted to boarding houses like the large old victorians were back in the day.
“Maybe all these McMansions will be converted to boarding houses like the large old victorians were back in the day.”
It’s going to need major changes in the zoning code and the old timers on the zoning boards might not allow for that absent some serious, major long term economic depression.
“You have driven by, in the winter time, sans foliage, and looked?”
So you are saying I’d only have to worry about droogs for half the year? Well, then, sign me up for 2!
“What makes a pool a “sport pool”?”
I know two homeowner’s who put salt water pools in their yard. June-Sep: swimming; all other months it’s empty (weather permitting): cube gleaming.
I believe the Burr Ridge house was design by Ralph Johnson.
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/17/garden/currents-for-a-home-a-choice-of-8-architects.html
“I believe the Burr Ridge house was design by Ralph Johnson.”
Appears Ralph’s contribution–“A House for an Exhibitionist”–was nearly all glass:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-08-31/news/9103050348_1_joint-venture-seiji-suzuki-home-sites/2
HD, I wasn’t serious. However, I am curious how these McMansions will fair in 10-20 years. I get the sense no one under 45 likes these style houses when they have a $1 million to spend other than athletes. Most of my clients who buy in that price range are moving to Hinsdale, Oak Park, North Shore, LaGrange, or stay in the city, etc. They want to be close to trains and decent small downtown areas.
This finally went under contract.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/4524-N-Mozart-St-60625/home/13488227?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=instant24_listings_update&utm_source=myredfin
Really nice mansion! Good to know that it went under contract.