Would You Buy in Trump Tower Chicago Right Now? A 1-Bedroom at 401 N. Wabash

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This extra-large 1-bedroom on the 74th floor in Trump Tower at 401 N. Wabash in River North has been on the market nearly a year, since January 2016.

At 1314 square feet, the unit also has an extra 8×10 den.

The unit has 10 foot ceilings and floor-to-ceiling windows with south and west views.

It has Brazilian cherry floors.

The kitchen has Snaidero cabinets, granite counter tops and Miele, Wolf and Subzero appliances.

The listing says it has a spa-like master bath.

The unit has central air, washer/dryer in the unit and garage parking is available in the building.

You also get use of all the amenities in the hotel portion of the building.

There are 486 units in the building with 41 condo units currently on the market.

But will the election of Donald Trump to the presidency put a damper on sales in the building?

Bloomberg recently wrote about Trump buildings, worldwide, being the possible targets of terrorist attacks.

Who pays to protect them?

“They’re landmark targets,” he said. “You suddenly have a normal crowded place that becomes a high risk place. Most of the properties will be in places where you can’t get people away.”

Colin Clarke, a terrorism expert at the Rand Corporation, added, “Al-Qaeda is into symbolic attacks. Then you have the added bonus of having Trump’s name slapped on these buildings and all his divisive rhetoric on Muslims.”

While Trump’s U.S. properties face a heightened risk — New York City police are now a full-time presence outside Trump Towers in Manhattan — the overseas buildings pose the thorniest problem. For one, Trump doesn’t own his foreign properties outright, apart from three golf courses in remote parts of Ireland and Scotland. In other cities, real estate developers pay him a licensing fee to use his name and have responsibility for arranging security independently of Trump.

Additionally, DNAInfo has reported on an idea to float gold pig balloons in the Chicago River which would obscure the Trump name on the side of the building.

A Chicago architect wants to hide the massive Trump Tower sign with a row of strategically placed flying golden pigs, a display aimed at providing “visual relief to the citizens of Chicago.”

The idea, a self-described “folly” from Jeffrey Roberts at Chicago-based New World Design Ltd., isn’t part of a formal proposal, but his renderings of “flying pig” balloons tethered to the Chicago River aim to address Chicago’s objections to the tower’s 20-foot-tall letters, which were in place long before the real estate mogul was a contender for the presidency.

See the artist renderings of the pigs at this link.

There’s no plan to actually go through with this but it is one of many ideas that have been thrown around about Trump Tower Chicago in recent weeks.

Are all these issues a distraction for buyers or will they be a non-event in a few months after Trump takes office?

Lina Shah at Coldwell Banker has the listing. See the pictures here.

Unit #74G: 1 bedroom, 1.5 baths, 1314 square feet

  • Sold in April 2013 for $680,000 (no parking included)
  • Originally listed in January 2016 for $1,050,000 (no parking)
  • Currently still listed for $1,050,000 (no parking)
  • Assessments of $1042 a month (includes a/c, gas, doorman, cable/internet, exercise room, pool, exterior maintenance, scavenger, snow removal)
  • Taxes of $15,834
  • Central Air
  • Washer/dryer in the unit
  • Bedroom: 14×16
  • Den: 8×10

 

279 Responses to “Would You Buy in Trump Tower Chicago Right Now? A 1-Bedroom at 401 N. Wabash”

  1. The lack of a sale likely has less to do with the Trump name than the crack pipe pricing.

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  2. I’m pretty cheep but I’d be willing to donate $20 to the Flying Pigs project. It just works on so many levels.

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  3. What a joke…$1MM for a 1 bedroom? 50% appreciation since 2013? lol

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  4. “the crack pipe pricing”

    How can you put a value on having POTUS as a (very occasional) neighbor?? They priced it into the ask!

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  5. I don’t think radical Muslims are going to do anything to Trump’s properties as they know he would fuck them up if they did… they respond to strong leaders more so than liberal pussy kumbaya bullshit

    Chicagoans are so sad sometimes… the paid protestors hating on some building with the president elect’s name on it is one of the cringiest things I’ve seen in a while.

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  6. I don’t understand what the protesters want except to annoy people who work for a living. Although, being paid to protest is a type of “work” I suppose.

    Do they think that protesting will change the results of the election?

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  7. Trump lost California by 4,000,000 votes, but he lost the national popular vote by only 2,500,000 votes. Therefore, one can argue that Hillary won California but Trump won the election.

    Chicago is arguably one of the most violent places in America today, with major income inequality, failing municipal services, a corrupt government and collapsing finances. Illinois is again acting like a petulant child who cannot control himself. The rest of the country looks at us and laughs because we are a joke; we are the laughing stock of the national. People are leaving the state in droves and we are losing population, and those who remain are too poor to leave. I have been seriously considering leaving the state recently. Many of my friends have been too; most are considering sunbelt states. And this early season polar vortices are not helping either, who wants to live in a climate where next wednesday will have a high of “5” yes a high of “5” before winter even officially begins? I have a number of friends who have left chicago already; all but two of my college and law school roommates have left chicago for warmer climates. Many of my co-workers have already left. This state and city is a complete joke. Everyone laughs at us.

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  8. If it was easy, I would leave this entire country. Trump is an absolute scourge. I hated Hilary, but she was a typical corrupt politician.

    As it is, I’m thinking of putting money aside in either a foreign bank account or stock as a get out of dodge escape.

    With many high end choices in Chicago, the Trump Tower would be the last place I would choose to live.

    Remember this? http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-01-16/business/0701160194_1_donald-trump-trump-international-hotel-contracts

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  9. Trump and his supporters are the joke. He just convinced Indiana tax payers to pony up $7,000,000 in order to keep 730 air conditioning assembly jobs in Indianapolis, while the state still loses over 500 jobs from the same company. Is that what we now refer to as the market? More of the same. Just glad my family has dual citizenship.

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  10. “Trump lost California by 4,000,000 votes, but he lost the national popular vote by only 2,500,000 votes.”

    Why does it matter where a voter lives? Trump received 46% of the vote. 2,700,000 votes less than Clinton.

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  11. “If it was easy, I would leave this entire country. Trump is an absolute scourge. ”

    Oh stop acting like a petulant child. Remember how annoying it was when conservatives acted like Obama was the coming on the anti-christ? Yeah, that’s exactly what you sound like.

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  12. Someone is using their word-a-day calendar and today’s word is “petulant”!

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  13. Tomorrow’s word will be truculent.

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  14. @ Sonies “I don’t think radical Muslims are going to do anything to Trump’s properties as they know he would fuck them up if they did… they respond to strong leaders more so than liberal pussy kumbaya bullshit
    Chicagoans are so sad sometimes… the paid protestors hating on some building with the president elect’s name on it is one of the cringiest things I’ve seen in a”

    I’m certain you would have been one of those (heck you’re probably old anyway) that criticized the students who sat at lunch counters in the 50’s/60’s to protest segregation and discrimination. People always have so much to say about protesters while offering nothing in return. Tell me what is the appropriate way for people to protest racist Donald Tramp?

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  15. puh-lease

    what are today’s protestors protesting about? Other than not getting their way in an election… the protestors back in the 50s and 60s had a purpose (desegregation – make peace not war) WTF are people protesting about today? Its a clusterfuck

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  16. @ jenny “I don’t understand what the protesters want except to annoy people who work for a living. Although, being paid to protest is a type of “work” I suppose.
    Do they think that protesting will change the results of the election?”

    Oh stop buying the right wing nonsense of paid protesters…..unless you’re a right wing nut job. If you want to critique what people are doing to call attention to a racist Donald Tramp then I hope you’re also out there criticizing all of Donald Tramp’s racist KKK loving rhetoric.

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  17. @sonnies
    puh-lease
    what are today’s protestors protesting about? Other than not getting their way in an election… the protestors back in the 50s and 60s had a purpose (desegregation – make peace not war) WTF are people protesting about today? Its a clusterfuck”

    Well since I’m 99% sure you’re white and living in you white unearned benefits bubble, you’ll never understand. Stay willingly ignorant!

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  18. They are probably protesting because our new president is a hateful, racist, admitted sex offender and are disturbed that so many Americans agree with him.

    I don’t think protesting does anything except make people take the other side. There is nothing that can be done to change that he is going to be president and that America is filled with a shit ton of uneducated men who think they have the right to have sex with any woman they please (and force her to keep the baby). I don’t appreciate protesters going out of their way to make my life inconvenient. Why make life more miserable for us?

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  19. A question: Is Dan still posting on CC or he has accepted a position with president elect? 😉

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  20. “Well since I’m 99% sure you’re white and living in you white unearned benefits bubble, you’ll never understand. Stay willingly ignorant!”

    LOL thanks for the laugh, moron

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  21. “They are probably protesting because our new president is a hateful, racist, admitted sex offender and are disturbed that so many Americans agree with him.
    I don’t think protesting does anything except make people take the other side. There is nothing that can be done to change that he is going to be president and that America is filled with a shit ton of uneducated men who think they have the right to have sex with any woman they please (and force her to keep the baby). I don’t appreciate protesters going out of their way to make my life inconvenient. Why make life more miserable for us?”

    The protesters don’t care about your life…they care about the millions of people who are negatively impacted by Tramp’s presidency and what it represents. This is way bigger than you! There is a rich history of protest in the US and many people were “inconvenienced” that led to social change….I don’t think you need a history lesson on this. Stay ignorant!

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  22. trump is not racist. keep believing that lie. shows what a petulant little cry baby you are. fact of the matter is that trump is going to make life better for everyone in america, including left leaning fools who live in debt ridden hellhole blue states like Illinois.

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  23. What good does protesting do? I disdain Trump. There’s nothing that can be done except for perhaps flee the country. He’s not going to change his mind because people are protesting. All it does it make life worse for people just trying to go about their daily lives.

    I hope this country survives. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to increase the size of the supreme court. With the support of congress he can do it.

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  24. “The protesters don’t care about your life…they care about the millions of people who are negatively impacted by Tramp’s presidency and what it represent”

    and obama hates america. i heard that on fox news for 8 years.

    see it’s the same petty lies. grow up buddy.

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  25. oh jenny if we survived obama we can survive trump.

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  26. “and obama hates america. i heard that on fox news for 8 years.
    see it’s the same petty lies. grow up buddy.”

    People hated Obama and made those statements about him because they were racists. People hate Tramp because he is a racist. See the difference.

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  27. Greer, so all the white people in Ohio, Michigan, PA, and Florida who elected Obama the past two terms decided to go back to their roots and elect a racist? Is that what you are saying?

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  28. Russ the people hd quoted as saying “obama hates america” on Fox news for the past 8 years and the people like hd who watch fox news didn’t vote for Obama the past two terms. Unfortunately imo too few Obama voters in OH, MI PA & FL recognized downside risk of not voting in recent election. Imo it was hd and his fox watching racist ilk who bought ‘lil Dt’s lies and bull sh-t & likely secured enough Electoral College votes to get their racist in. And imo they’ll be richly punished for the error of their judgment in trusting ‘lil Dt, unfortunately along with the rest of us members of the 99%. And I’m generally an optimist.

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  29. @Russ

    “Greer, so all the white people in Ohio, Michigan, PA, and Florida who elected Obama the past two terms decided to go back to their roots and elect a racist? Is that what you are saying?”

    My statement is hardly ambiguous so I don’t understand why you are confused.

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  30. The biggest piece of fake news (and apparently believed by millions) is that Trump is a racist. Just flat out not true. Stop reading the fake news.

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  31. Sabrina must be so proud of what she has built here.

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  32. “Sabrina must be so proud of what she has built here.”

    I believe that she is sending the bill to Mexico, so at least it won’t cost her anything.

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  33. When someone puts the word “the” in front of a race of people of which he/she doesn’t belong, that’s a subtle sign of racism. Then, there are the overt signs such as calling Mexicans rapists. It would be comical if he didn’t actually get elected. FFS, the guy is an admitted rapist.

    I don’t like Obama and I didn’t like Bush. However, they are typical politicians and even if I don’t agree with them on many issues, they don’t scare me. They steered the ship in the wrong direction, but Trump will capsize the ship.

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  34. The biggest piece of fake news (and apparently believed by millions) is that Trump is a racist. Just flat out not true. Stop reading the fake news.

    Ummm…..you’re defending Tramp against racism charges. Enough said I rest my case.
    #stayignorant

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  35. “who wants to live in a climate where next wednesday will have a high of “5” yes a high of “5” before winter even officially begins?”

    1. As Skilling would tell you, meteorological winter is December, January and February. From a *weather* perspective, Winter ‘officially’ began last week.

    2. Take your whiny ass to Florida or Arizona already.

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  36. “Trump will capsize the ship”

    Trump would mortgage the ship, put the ship into bankruptcy, perform a debt for equity swap and leave the ship to the lenders after extracting 85% of the value of the ship to pay for more gold bath fixtures in his house.

    He’s basically a bust-out schemer, who manages to hide it so long as property values are rising, which they have done nicely more often than not during his career.

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  37. Off topic. Is it just me or are the pictures in the listing a little pixelated?

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  38. The protesting is important for a host of reasons, not the least of which includes exercising one’s right to free speech and of making the rest of the world aware that not all Americans buy in to Trump’s xenophobic rhetoric.

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  39. …And, back on topic, this unit is pathetic. Seriously, not even a dining room or a proper office for $1MM?

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  40. As evidenced by the comments here I think protesting now is creating a confused message. What are they protesting? The election results or what they are afraid Trump is going to do? Neither seems very compelling. I think they would be better served to wait until he actually does something objectionable, which I assume won’t take long.

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  41. “1. As Skilling would tell you, meteorological winter is December, January and February. From a *weather* perspective, Winter ‘officially’ began last week.”

    His brother is in jail, for quite some time, ya know.

    “2. Take your whiny ass to Florida or Arizona already.’

    Red states, great places to live, lots of economic growth, unlike cold ass Illinois!

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  42. “The protesting is important for a host of reasons, not the least of which includes exercising one’s right to free speech and of making the rest of the world aware that not all Americans buy in to Trump’s xenophobic rhetoric.”

    That’a a bunch of nonsense. Protesting segregation, or the actions of real 1860’s abolitionists, is nothing compared to the meaningless protests of today. Today’s underemployed losers (none of whom know any real pain like that experienced by the working poor in the small towns across devastated america) are essentially protesting democracy, and a constitutionally elected president.

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  43. “Seriously, not even a dining room or a proper office for $1MM?”

    That’s an extremely valid point, something brought up once by HH of all people, in his critiques of Trump tower.

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  44. “who wants to live in a climate where next wednesday will have a high of “5” yes a high of “5” before winter even officially begins?”

    As the Danes say (or is it the Swedes?): there is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing.

    If you dress correctly, i.e. have the proper coat, sweaters in wool or cashmere, wool pants, waterproof boots, actually wear a hat and scarf, it really isn’t that big of a deal.

    And many people actually like winter and the seasons. Ice skating, snow shoeing, skiing, hot chocolate, snowmen and sledding. Instead of complaining- why not embrace the bounty?

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  45. “As the Danes say (or is it the Swedes?): there is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing.”

    Or as my russian guide told me in St. Petersburg, It’s never too cold, just not enough vodka.

    Believe me, I try to enjoy the weather, and with kids in the suburbs, I’ve spent all week preparing my backyard ice rink.

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  46. “More of the same. Just glad my family has dual citizenship.”

    Good bye! Go home!

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  47. I want to leave Illinois too because of CPS, et al. I don’t know where to go though. I need good schools, culture, nice people. Suggestions anyone?

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  48. That’s the question, isn’t it? Many of us are tired of the corrupt, debt-laden and crime-ridden mess that is IL and Chicago but anywhere with similar amenities tends to be more expensive and so many of the places that are booming jobs-wise lack much in the way of culture or true urbanism of the walkable kind with viable mass transit. I haven’t figured out anything better and apparently millions of others haven’t either.

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  49. Just put the Martin Luther King Jr Blvd sign up there and get it over with so everyone in Chicago will quit whining.

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  50. “I want to leave Illinois too because of CPS, et al. I don’t know where to go though. I need good schools, culture, nice people. Suggestions anyone?”

    You also need to consider weather and possibly medical care. I loved Richmonnd, VA but my wife doesn’t feel like it had the entertainment value (I hate the word “culture” because it sounds snobbish) that Chicago does. We checked out Austin, TX a while ago and it checks all the boxes except housing is more expensive than here. The Raleigh/ Durham area looks really appealing. Housing is cheaper there. However, we are not concerned about schools so I can’t tell you how good they are.

    I loved Dallas growing up but in hindsight it’s probably too boring. We are going to check out Arizona soon but I’ve pretty much ruled that out because I think it gets too hot there during the summer and I’m concerned about the water supply.

    Toyed with Florida but it would have to be outside the heavy hurricane areas. It doesn’t have the nearly the medical care that the other areas offer though.

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  51. “they respond to strong leaders more so than liberal pussy kumbaya bullshit”

    The same “kumbaya bullshit” that got Osama?

    Enjoy your racist, rapist president. We get the world we deserve.

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  52. I would like to move to Phoenix. With the cost of living being so low, I could take trips whenever I wanted more “culture.”

    I can’t stop being angry whenever I think about all of the money I’m doling out to lazy retired city workers while I have to work. Why should I have to pay for their second homes and giant trucks? I have had a bunch of unexpected expenses come up and it’s extremely galling to live in this city and throw many at these lazy people.

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  53. I’ve considered moving as I absolutely despise the winter weather here.
    However, when we look at other places we find that we really do have it good here in Oak Park / Chicago. It would be nearly impossible to replicate the amenities, culture, school system, walkability, public transit, diversity, # of jobs available, ease of living, etc

    This is especially true now that we have children. Every place we’ve looked, we’d be giving up something fairly significant imho. Further, we wouldn’t even be saving any money as the RE costs just as much even in smaller cities.

    We’ve considered Austin, Seattle, Portland, and Atlanta seriously in the past.

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  54. “It would be nearly impossible to replicate the amenities, culture, school system, walkability, public transit, diversity, # of jobs available, ease of living, etc”

    There are plenty of places, sure they more of a car culture than Chicago, but that’s not really an issue for most people. Plus, there are always more walkable areas in all cities and suburbs with little downtowns.

    I’ve read many times that millenials actually prefer smaller more walkable cities because they are more affordable with shorter commutes.

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  55. “Enjoy your racist, rapist president. We get the world we deserve.”

    Obama hates America and America deserved him too.

    See how stupid that sounds!!!!! Hahahahah

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  56. HD, I’ve haven’t found it. We could survive without a car now. EVERYTHING we need is literally within 1-2 miles of our house. Schools (k-12), major grocery stores, multiple parks & play centers, full service gym, trinket shopping, restaurants, three public transit options, etc.

    When we looked in other cities, yeah we could walk to a few coffee shops or trinket stores, but it would be a stretch to call it walkable compared to what we are used to now. In many cases, the school systems sucked in areas that are more urban, so we’d have the expense of private school. Car culture was rampant. Still needed to really drive everywhere.

    We’ve been really spoiled.

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  57. The thing my wife really likes about Chicago is that you can walk 2 blocks and get to a decent bar or restaurant. Basically it’s the urban environment. As urban environments go Chicago is indeed the cheapest and you can see it in the Case Shiller index.

    However, I’m not so crazy about urban environments. They come with high crime and beer bottles and other trash in front of my house daily.

    I was in Phoenix once during the summer. It was 115 degrees.

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  58. I too like urban culture except that the distractions make it difficult to save. So many places to eat, so many places to go. I feel bad for someone trying to start a restaurant, so much competition for what limited budget I spend going out, and especially now with kids and daycare/preschool budget, there’s not a lot left over.

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  59. Gary, I went to Phoenix once in the summer and it was about 115. I remember getting off the plane when the heat hit me thinking WhaDaFuq? Kind of the same reaction I had when I got in my car one year here in Chicago and the thermometer had -10 degrees on it.

    I wouldn’t mind moving to NC. Really like Asheville, but no major corporate employers. Mild temps. Beautiful. Walkable and hip downtown with arts and restaurants. Not much diversity though.

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  60. “His brother is in jail, for quite some time, ya know.”

    And you have a bunch of deadbeat relatives.

    Didn’t realize that you believed in staining folks because of their relatives behavior that didn’t involve them *at all*.

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  61. “they would be better served to wait until he actually does something objectionable”

    Several of his cabinet nominees are objectionable.

    Not that I have seen/heard-of any of the street protesters getting that specific. But he certainly has “done something objectionable” (as an official presidential act, not just stoopid tweets) from the viewpoint of many.

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  62. “The biggest piece of fake news (and apparently believed by millions) is that Trump is a racist.”

    Agreed. Trump has had a 50 year business career, has never been proven or called racist, and he hires people from all races, and he also promoted women.

    Trump did not call all Mexican people rapists. He said that some of the illegals are gangmembers: drug dealers and rapists and criminals.

    Trump is not a white supremacist. He’s actually a proud anti-anti-white, which is what all white people should be. White Trump-haters are sympathizers and collaborators with anti-white racists. They’re cucks. It’s the appropriate term.

    Trump used DEBT in his real estate businesses. So what? The entire RE biz is based on a minimum of 75%-80% LTV. Sam Zell went bust/bankrupt too, he coined the phrase “stay alive until ’95”, then he worked out the debt by doing a debt-to-equity swap with the banks.

    Chicago is a disgrace when you have bigots and nutjub anti-white racists like communist Bill Ayers organizing and paying losers to stop other people’s 1st Amendment rights. Chicago is a laughing stock nationally today, and Trump ain’t going to be helping us, because assholes like Ayers had so much hate, and messed it up for others. No Federal money will be forthcoming due to our stupid Democrats.

    Obama was and is a racist. He sat in Rev. Wright’s pew. All he does is give blacks and homosexuals Kennedy Ctr. honors. It’s so obviously bigoted as to have helped make Trump possible. People are sick of Obama the anti-white racist.

    Trump was not a “sexual offender”. Does anyone actually believe the stories of those paid-for women who came forward and concocted that story? Somebody on CC coined the term “panty-dropping view” as it relates to condos. Donald Trump NEVER had any problems attracting women. Get real. Only tired, dried up unmarried hags hate Trump. But you can be sure that 20 years ago, had Trump come calling on them, they would have dropped everything to try and land a man like that.

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  63. “I want to leave Illinois too because of CPS, et al. I need good schools, culture, nice people. ”

    That wonderful diversity not working out for you. huh?

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  64. Trump admitted to sexually assaulting women. I don’t know what more proof is necessary.

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  65. jenny: The key phrase you are missing in that stupid locker-room braggadocio banter is he said that when you’re rich/famous/athlete “they let you” grab their p****….

    Donald Trump is not a sexual predator. Get real. Women threw themselves at him, as they also did with Democrat icon JFK. Bill Clinton on the other had, while being obviously attractive to women is far creepier. He was accused of actual rape! Pizzagate is real, don’t you doubt it for a second.

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  66. Agreed. Trump has had a 50 year business career, has never been proven or called racist, and he hires people from all races, and he also promoted women.

    Interestingly, when you search for the earliest mention of Donald Trump in the NY Times, the result is this article from October 16, 1973:

    Major Landlord Accused Of Antiblack Bias in City

    So, yeah, he has literally been called a racist for over 40 years.

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  67. 1973? “accused”?

    That’s the best anti-white racists could come up with? Please. Trump opened a club in Palm Beach, Mar a Lago, and was criticized because is was open to Jews, blacks and people of any color. There is no proof whatsoever that Trump is a racist. He’s an anti-anti-white racist, and for that he should be applauded. All white people should be that, why aren’t you madeline? What’s your malfunction?

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  68. Here is Chicago’s own Rev. Double J praising Donald Trump for a lifetime of helping the black community back in 1999.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K1-nzxzzug

    Just saying…

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  69. “That’s the best [you] could come up with?”

    Um, you wrote:

    “Trump has had a 50 year business career, has never been … called racist”

    You set the terms, and Madeline proved you wrong.

    The best you can do is move the goalposts?

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  70. And here is Trump almost 30 years ago on Oprah sounding just like he did on campaign trail this year…

    So Oprah also didn’t seem to have a problem with Trump and thought he might be Presidential material back in the day.

    I mean, why would she knowingly interview a racist?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI&t=47s

    Trumps a buffoon, but the racist claims are pretty pathetic imho.

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  71. “The best you can do is move the goalposts?”

    Gimme a mulligan.

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  72. “Gimme a mulligan.”

    Take your anti-Irish crap somewhere else.

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  73. I do not think bragging about sexual assault is normal locker room talk. If I found out that my partner talked that way with other men, it would be relationship ending.

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  74. It feels like decades since we spent half a day on here arguing about whether “McMansion” was anti-Irish. The days of having a president elect/president who was celebrated by most of the free world (“here, have a Nobel”), who brought the financial system back from the brink, turned around most of the domestic auto industry, passed major (if imperfect, due largely to Tea Party fools) healthcare reform, killed OBL, and on and on and on. Syria is an open graveyard, and Yemen might be next, but otherwise, history’s going to rank Obama as easily among the top 5 presidents.

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  75. Top 15 maybe top 5 I think is a bit high

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  76. “Pizzagate is real, don’t you doubt it for a second.”

    Lol, you’re a moron like Donnie!

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  77. Obama was the least qualified person ever to be President. He never even ran a lemonade stand. You cannot compare a failed southside “community organizer” from the nation’s murder/mayhem capital to an international billionaire businessman who created thousands of private sector jobs. Obama was elected on an antiwar platform (“peace prize”, Lol) but then proceeded to betray his voters and continue and expand US wars into 7 nations.

    Obama’s health plan (recall Jon Gruber “lied” to “stupid” US citizens to pass it) will be repealed and then replaced. It’s a failure. Obama betrayed his voters again, with big bank bailouts, as Occupy Wall Street proved. Who cares about Syria? Trump is right, let the Russians deal with it and pay for a change. OBL was Obama’s only highlight. Don’t forget he doubled the national debt and his anti-white racism divided the nation.

    After the Trumpening, with America once again great, Obama will go down as an effete anti-white racialized Jimmy Carter. A minor leaguer. Trump is already showing that he’s in another league.

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  78. He’s in another league all right…

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  79. “nation’s murder/mayhem capital to an international billionaire businessman who created thousands of private sector job”

    bad at math too apparently

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  80. sing it Tone!

    I went up to this girl, she said, “Hi, my name is Sheena”
    I thought she’d be good to go with a little Funky Cold Medina

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  81. And here is Trump almost 30 years ago on Oprah sounding just like he did on campaign trail this year…
    So Oprah also didn’t seem to have a problem with Trump and thought he might be Presidential material back in the day.
    I mean, why would she knowingly interview a racist?

    Here’s Oprah interviewing some skinheads. Clearly they are not racists because they’re on Oprah!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BRDSvO_eDA

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  82. Cut the crap madeline you cuck-ess. The Gangster Disciples cause 10,000x more mayhem than “skinheads”. I bet nobody here has ever even met one. I do know that our jails are not filled with “skinheads” but instead loaded up to capacity with Obama-supporting racialized gangbangers. Nice try though. Go Trump!

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  83. I’ve never met a gang member or a skinhead. I have no desire to meet either.

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  84. “I do not think bragging about sexual assault is normal locker room talk. If I found out that my partner talked that way with other men, it would be relationship ending.”

    No respectful man is going to you like that but when he’s among friends he’s going to say that kind of stuff, and probably worse too. And the higher up the food chain, the worse the philandering and locker room banter. And everyone here knows that too. What makes Trump a buffoon for saying that is saying it on *camera*. Nobody brings a camera into the locker room to record that kind of talk.

    And additionally, you may have not met a gang banger or a skinhead, but there are gangbangers everywhere in Chicago. Gangs in Chicago are everywhere and a part of the african-american and hispanic culture as much as every one of us has a Republican uncle who loves to talk politics. Gang are everywhere, all you have to do is open your eyes in this town.

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  85. “Top 15 maybe top 5 I think is a bit high”

    I like you sonies, but you’re giving Obama waaaaaaaay too much credit. Of the 44 presidents he’s certainly below average, but not the worse, not even close to the worst, and I’m trying to be objective here. he’s probably in the low 20’s or high 30’s, and that’s being realistic.

    His low ranking derives primarily due to a (R) congress 6 of his 8 years, and that’s basically entirely his fault too. everyone outside of big cities disliked him. Regardless, he couldn’t get anything done. When he did pass decent legislation, it was obamacare, which other than the expansion of medicaid, has become a complete disaster. Not sure how history will view him on the bailout – 1) no one went to jail for their financial crimes and 2) the bailout just made the rich even richer, even more so than the gilded age…and nobody remembers Garfield, Harrison, or Cleveland today.

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  86. “And you have a bunch of deadbeat relatives.”

    But none that served anytime in the clink! Jeff Skilling is hardly a deadbeat, he’s just a scumbag.

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  87. “Cut the crap madeline you cuck-ess.”

    Only small minded people have to resort to name calling to “win” an argument.

    Sad!

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  88. “an international billionaire businessman who created thousands of private sector job”

    There are only like 30 people working at Trump Enterprises. There are more at Mar-a-Lago but not thousands. 150? There are only 90 people working at the golf course/hotel in Scotland.

    So…no. Not thousands of jobs.

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  89. “It’s a failure.”

    Nope.

    28 million people have health insurance who didn’t have it prior to 2008.

    Also- if it’s a failure, why are they keeping so many provisions? Why keep the part about being under 26 and staying on the parents policy? Why keep the pre-existing conditions? Will they still allow all preventionary doctors visits to be covered like mammograms and prostate exams? Also, your physical is automatically paid for. Keeping that?

    I really doubt those things are going to go away.

    So what are you going to be left with?

    Oh…Obamacare.

    And even though Obama is leaving office, people are actually rushing to sign up for it. Not going the other way. Go figure.

    The Republicans will “repeal it” but since they have no plan, they won’t replace it for years and years. And at that point “obamacare” will be in place for 6 to 8 years which means you’re not getting rid of it.

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  90. “Women threw themselves at him, as they also did with Democrat icon JFK.”

    Women threw themselves at Mike Tyson too.

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  91. “I wouldn’t mind moving to NC. Really like Asheville, but no major corporate employers. Mild temps. Beautiful. Walkable and hip downtown with arts and restaurants. Not much diversity though.”

    OMG. Everyone I talk to wants to move there.

    Have you seen the housing prices? It is actually more expensive to buy a condo in downtown Asheville than in Chicago! It’s absurd. That whole region is out of control with prices. And it’s just not that great.

    Personally, I’d rather be in Savannah. But it’s hotter there.

    How could Asheville not be “diverse”? There’s a university there.

    They are saying people are moving over the mountains on the Tennessee side- like in Knoxville- because home prices are 50% lower and similar climate.

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  92. “I was in Phoenix once during the summer. It was 115 degrees.”

    But Gary, it’s “dry heat.” 😉

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  93. I would like to move to Phoenix. With the cost of living being so low, I could take trips whenever I wanted more “culture.”

    Is it “low” there? It was a few years ago but home prices are way back up. Rents are high.

    To me, the cheapest cities are St. Louis, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Pittsburgh.

    How’s Tucson these days? That might be “cheap.”

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  94. “The Raleigh/ Durham area looks really appealing.”

    This is in the top 5 places to move in America. Tons of jobs and the climate isn’t too extreme either way. Good airport.

    I had a friend who was going to retire out there from Chicago. The only area she liked was Chapel Hill. Lol. Everything else was one big Naperville like subdivision with new houses on big lots. And almost nothing was walkable, except Chapel Hill.

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  95. We’re probably going to check out Tucson in January. Aside from the summer heat I’m concerned about the water supply.

    Durham and Raleigh have some really nice areas also. Very wooded obviously. But definitely not walkable. To get walkable you have to go urban and then you have urban issues. Yeah, there is a part of Chapel Hill that is walkable but didn’t like the housing options there.

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  96. Anon(TFO) wrote:

    “1. As Skilling would tell you, meteorological winter is December, January and February. From a *weather* perspective, Winter ‘officially’ began last week.”

    Hate to be this person, but. Meteorological weather is purely for temperature measuring purposes only. It’s not the official start of winter as we haven’t had the winter solstice yet. The earth doesn’t finish its tilt away from the sun until December 22nd this year.

    Technically you’re correct in that it’s the meteorological start, but when the tilt of the earth starts recognizing the first of December as winter, give me a call. Until that happens, the winter solstice is the marker.

    http://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-seasons-2016

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  97. “Only small minded people have to resort to name calling to “win” an argument.”

    What are you talking about? We talked about facts. I think it should be obvious that Gangster Disciples are Obama-supporters. Yes, and Obama never disavowed them or any other anti-white racist bigot that votes for his party. Also, it should be quite obvious that compared to such beastly people, the so-called alleged “skinheads” or “KKK” pale in comparison, in numbers, and in real criminal impact in our world. Our jails are indeed filled with Obama supporters not Trump supporters. Gonna argue this?

    Savannah is a home to occultism.

    lastly, every single CC reader who downvotes my posts has no good reason to flee our wonderful diverse and vibrant sanctuary city run by democrats. You c*cksuckers voted and support all this crap, now you want to flee it? Hypocrites. This is just like the people who fled Lawndale, only to self-segregate themselves in Skokie, Deerfield and HP. Hypocrites.

    Where is JZ? Mr. Big 1964 Civil Rights. Yeah, all that marching so they could be free to ruin and shoot up 1/2 of our city blasting rap music. Some legacy. Lol.

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  98. “How could Asheville not be “diverse”? There’s a university there.”

    99% undergrad, 93% from the “south”, 83% white at UNC-Asheville. So not meanignfully more or less “diverse” than the city as a whole.

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  99. “Hate to be this person, but. Meteorological weather is purely for temperature measuring purposes only. It’s not the official start of winter”

    Please provide a citation for the “official” start of winter that precludes a different “official” start. Please ensure that that “official” start is shared by some non-north american countries.

    In any event HD was whinging about *TEMPERATURE*, thus making “temperature measuring purposes” the most relevant definition of “winter”.

    Also: dictionary definition:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/winter

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  100. “To me, the cheapest cities are St. Louis, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Pittsburgh.”

    Cincy, too, and depending on whether they qualify as big enough to be a ‘city’ Indy, Omaha, Louisville.

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  101. Sabrina, I’d move to Charleston before Savannah. Pretty much the same thing except on a larger scale. Savannah is tiny (the good parts). We did a trip to Savannah. Our return flight to Chicago was cancelled, so we decided to drive to Charleston instead and extend our trip to kill some time. Wished we spent more time in Charleston than Savannah it was so much nicer imho.

    Asheville condos downtown are expensive, but the houses on the mountains aren’t too bad. I’d rather be on the mountain in a house for the views than in town.

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  102. “I’d rather be on the mountain in a house”

    But then you don’t have anything walkable!

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  103. Anon, true but I’d be willing to trade a mountain top view for walkable in the case of Asheville. The ride down a curvy mountain road on my motorcycle to town would be way more satisfying than walking to the coffee shop.

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  104. “No respectful man is going to you like that but when he’s among friends he’s going to say that kind of stuff, and probably worse too. And the higher up the food chain, the worse the philandering and locker room banter.”

    No, this is a lie and you misunderstand the issue. hd, you probably don’t realize, because you are not high up the food chain, but this is not something that people do in this context. Do you really think that a CEO of a large company is going to look at another large company CEO the same way after the guy says he is a serial sexual predator?

    Men will go on and on and on about the drugs they do, their affairs, strip clubs, even other crimes, etc. They will definitely talk about women’s bodies and how they look and what they would like to do to women. I have heard this a lot. Some of it is quite distasteful, but it’s describing something that someone thinks or has done, but I have never heard it about anything that is non-consensual. Trump was in a different world entirely – he was describing in a matter of fact way that he regularly assaults women – he grabs their genitals against their will – and that he gets away with it because of the disparity in power.

    Ultimately, most of the actual “locker room talk” about women I have heard is in the vein of “this is what I think about her”, “this is what I would like to do to her” or “this is what I did to her.” But the things being done are consensual.

    When you cross the line into “this is what I do, I assault women and they can’t do anything about it” that is very different. And it wasn’t lies, it is all true, as some of the women he did this too quickly noted.

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  105. “Trumps a buffoon, but the racist claims are pretty pathetic imho.”

    I guess that right-minded people can disagree on whether he is actually racist, whatever that means. But to suggest that it’s pathetic to claim he’s a racist is pretty absurd. It’s obvious to most that he is, and that is why the open racists, the alt-right, the KKK, the white nationalists, etc., have all loved his rise to power.

    For me the number one sign of racism is that you see the race and not the person. The most important characteristic of a person, to a racist, is their race, that is what defines them. OBVIOUSLY, he sees race above all else when he considers people, you can see that in the way that he talks about people of different races.

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  106. ummm, sorry to come to the party late, but can I just make a comment about that f-ery million dollar one bedroom condo, or will I ruin the ongoing political debate? Does anyone have any idea why the realtor is valuing it that high? Is there any reason why when I go to the link there is no bedroom picture? It’s just not a million dollars nice. I expected it to be completely gutted and designer inspired, with gold pigs for soap. And while in Rome, I mize well join in on the political diatribe; no matter what side you are on, let me make one thing very clear, I am tired of the “she won the popular vote” garbage. I say that because right or wrong, we don’t elect presidents based on the popular vote; and I am absolutely sure there were enough people who would have gone to the polls to vote for Trump in the blue states like Cali, NY, and Illinois who didn’t bother to get out of bed b/c they knew their vote wouldn’t count. So give me a break with the she won the popular vote b/c nobody knows what would have happened if we played the presidential game with that set of rules. If we are truly looking at who won the popular vote, you would just look at swing states where people knew their vote actually counted–he won the popular vote there, so that clues you in to possibilities that he might very well have won if people thought their vote actually mattered in the blue states that are so heavily populated. While we will never know, my guess is he would have still won. Only time will tell if the swing states made the right decision.

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  107. JJJ,

    just listen to yourself, you basically said, “yeah, CEO’s talk like that, but TRUMP is different.”

    Trump won, get over it.

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  108. ” It’s obvious to most that he is, and that is why the open racists, the alt-right, the KKK, the white nationalists, etc., have all loved his rise to power.

    and the communists and black panthers love Obama. What’s your point?

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  109. I toured this exact unit, the drywall was crooked and you could see where they taped the drywall. Sloppy job. There were actually bidding wars for the 1/1.5 units at the time (not this unit, it was one of the last remaining developer units).

    Demand for these condos really dropped off after Trump started saying controversial things about extremists. Not surprising. I wouldn’t want to live there just because the libtard teenie weenies from Columbia and other colleges that stamp out useless art degrees will use this building as a protest symbol for the next 4 years.

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  110. But to suggest that it’s pathetic to claim Obama is a racist is pretty absurd. It’s obvious to most that he is, and that is why the open racists, the Far Left, jews, the black nationalists, La Raza, communists, Bill Ayers, Rahm, and anti-white racists etc., have all loved his rise to power.

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  111. What’s pathetic is a hh-ater posting drivel & hateful lies on a real estate site, representing those among us driven to hate. They’ve focused on Obama’s being born 50% black as reason enough to be enraged & justify any intransigent position or repetition of lies in the hater’s attempts to undercut Obama even if their actions hurt all of us. Those haters include many elected repubs & certainly ‘lil DT who insisted an elected prez prove his US citizenship. What scum.

    Will ‘lil DT now repay us by disclosing tax returns or evidence of his heel spurs supposedly so serious as to disqualify ‘lil DT from service upon becoming draft eligible back when the rest of us couldn’t pay an MD to write “please excuse ‘lil DT from draft for medical reasons & ignore that he’s healthy enough to play football, squash, tennis & golf. Just draft someone else who’ll cover lil DT’s obligation”. No, ‘lil DT’ll never own his behavior. Now he’ll become commander in chief? That’s truly pathetic.

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  112. Speaking of the Raleigh-Durham, N.C. area, I have family that lives in Morrisville, N.C. Morrisville and the suburbs around it are centered or close to the Research Triangle Park area. RTP has a lot of high tech and health care jobs. Yes, it is like a huge Naperville. Good schools and good public safety. You definitely need a car to get around.

    While staying there for a month, I felt like I was not even in the South. I was surprised to see so many of my peeps (I think almost 25% of Morrisville is Indian) and so many people from the northeast.

    The entire RTP area is growing by leaps and bounds.

    P.S.- Donald Trump is our next President. If you do not like it then tough luck. If you do not like things then in 2018 we have the mid term election and in 2020 you get to have your say again.

    In the end, I think the left and the media is under estimating this man. He may be the next Ronald Reagan.

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  113. “black panthers”

    Jeez. Haven’t heard that term bandied about in like 30 years.

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  114. “I am absolutely sure there were enough people who would have gone to the polls to vote for Trump in the blue states like Cali, NY, and Illinois who didn’t bother to get out of bed b/c they knew their vote wouldn’t count.”

    If this was true, turnout should have been low in those states.

    Take the City of Chicago. Did anyone doubt that Hillary Clinton was going to carry the city? So why bother to vote?

    Here’s the turnout in the general election since 2000:

    2000: 69.79%
    2004: 74.63%
    2008: 73.87%
    2012: 75.4%
    2016: 71.04%

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  115. “I am absolutely sure there were enough people who would have gone to the polls to vote for Trump in the blue states like Cali, NY, and Illinois who didn’t bother to get out of bed b/c they knew their vote wouldn’t count.”

    Also, according to political scientists who study all this kind of data, turnout actually goes up in the years of the general election when the incumbent is not on the ballot.

    So you live in California and you decide, “Trump is going to win anyway, why vote?” Same decision could have been made by millions of Hillary Clinton supporters in NYC, LA, Chicago and every other major city where she crushed Trump in a landslide. Yet- that didn’t happen.

    Where turnout was actually low was among Democrats in the swing states. Oddly enough- where their vote actually counted more.

    Turnout was down 4% in Ohio, 3% in Wisconsin and 1.3% in Iowa in 2016 compared to 2012.

    Trump has actually gotten less votes than Mitt Romney in 2012. There’s obviously no mandate.

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  116. “Anon, true but I’d be willing to trade a mountain top view for walkable in the case of Asheville. The ride down a curvy mountain road on my motorcycle to town would be way more satisfying than walking to the coffee shop.”

    Really? It’s pretty hellish up in those mountains in the winter. Ice, ice, ice. Makes it nearly impossible some of the year to even get into the town.

    I know some people who have retired there and mistakenly thought they were “close” to medical care. Turns out, driving 20 minutes down a mountain in an ice storm isn’t “close” at all.

    People don’t think about the practicalities of living in certain locations. It’s pretty isolated in many of those small towns. That’s why they were nothing towns until rich retirees decided to go there and open craft breweries. ha! Great for the local economies that some of these towns aren’t completely dying anymore but I wonder if any GenXer’s will really move in there once the Baby Boomers realize it sucks to age there?

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  117. “Sabrina, I’d move to Charleston before Savannah.”

    Charleston is the bigger town. For sure. But the prices are absurd. I might as well move to Santa Barbara. Savannah’s prices have gone up as well but it’s not as outrageous. You can still buy a home in the historic district for under $500,000. And you’re more sheltered from hurricanes there. They are on the Savannah River, not the ocean. Yes, they can get hit, but they are somewhat protected from super severe storm surge (although the recent hurricane up the coast did push water onto the streets in the downtown.)

    Charleston has been hit over and over again. Climate change is only going to make it worse. And didn’t they have a big earthquake at one point?

    No thanks.

    I’ll take the grit of Savannah over the cruise ships of Charleston any day. But both towns are gorgeous. Savannah is considered the most perfectly planned urban community. People come from all over the world to study it.

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  118. “In the end, I think the left and the media is under estimating this man. He may be the next Ronald Reagan.”

    You mean exploding the deficit?

    Then…yes. Reagan did it. I have no doubt Trump will do it too. Party on!

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  119. “He may be the next Ronald Reagan.”

    That’s exactly what we’re afraid of!

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  120. “Take the City of Chicago. Did anyone doubt that Hillary Clinton was going to carry the city? So why bother to vote?”

    Sabrina, you make some interesting points about voter turnout but the rational voter doesn’t look at how they expect their city to vote because it’s the state vote that matters. However, if it’s true that Democrat turnout was low in swing states then that would indicate to me that those voters were pretty disappointed in Hillary as a candidate and didn’t care who won. Yeah, we suspected this but that would provide some evidence of it.

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  121. “the rational voter”

    First, assume that you have a candidate you want to vote FOR…

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  122. Not that this is scientific, but in the People’s Republic of Oak Park, I can count on one hand the number of Hillary yard signs I saw. Sanders signs were EVERYWHERE during primary. I still see cars and house windows with the Obama logo.

    With that said, if someone weren’t from around these parts, you’d never know Hillary was the candidate of choice this go around. Very little visible support.

    It just tells me people weren’t enthused about her as a candidate.

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  123. “They’ve focused on Obama’s being born 50% black as reason enough to be enraged & justify any intransigent position or repetition of lies…”

    Obama’s the one who’s portrayed himself as 100% black. I’ve never once heard him refer to himself as bi-racial. Add to that his love of turning every single arrest into a racial issue.

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  124. Obama’s not stupid. He once said in an interview about how difficult it was for him to hail a taxi in Chicago due to his appearance. He knows what he looks like, and even though he’s the spitting image of his grandfather Stanley, he’s not going to claim he’s anything other than black. Any attempt to play up his white heritage would get shot down in nanoseconds.

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  125. To all the enraged hypocritical Democrats who live in bougie nabes like North Center and Oak Park whipping themselves into a frenzy about all the inequality: what exactly do you think the subjects of your condescending beneficence actually think about YOU? You will be the first ones to call the cops to protect you and your property when the s@$% hits the fan. The same cops whose murders you condone. How’s that blood on your hands?

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  126. ^^^

    Sometimes the world is so beautiful I can hardly stand it.

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  127. Milkster: I believe I’m in your target demo. I’m enraged, live in a ‘bougie nabe’ & voted for Hil & Obama (each was best choice imo vs my options which is how I pick everything including vegetables). But my life began in Englewood many years ago where racial demos changed 99% in a very short time, incited by blockbusting lying RE brokers. After their income rose my parents sold & moved us to Beverly. Then blockbusters attempted to panic Beverly owners into selling but, after those prone to panic sold, rationality prevailed. I later raised my family in Beverly until economics of schooling pushed us to the burbs. The ‘subjects of my condescending beneficence’ have on occasion chased me with hate in their hearts & eyes and were the crooks who stole my car, etc. so I harbor no illusions. Not that I’m comparing but I’ve been ripped off for much much larger $ amounts by ‘lil DT-like sanctimonious white pillars of the RE community (never yet by a black businessman). While I’m more cautious I don’t hate all white RE businessmen as a result of my experiences. As to “same cops whose murders I condone” several of my childhood friends joined CPD. Despite our friendships if I were a juror & heard evidence against them similar to Jason Van Dyke’s actions, I’d vote to convict & I’d vote for a death penalty. Unlike you imho I’ve served on a criminal jury in recent past. After listening to horrific testimony I assisted a successful push for conviction of a young black man who kidnapped, raped and otherwise brutalized the mother of his children. Since imo she only survived by the grace of God (and her strength & good decision making under extreme duress) I don’t believe the black judge’s sentence of a minimum stint of 34 yrs in prison was punishment enough & I’d have strongly considered voting to impose death penalty if asked. It’s my guess that less than 5% of populations perpetrate the majority of serious offences committed in both black neighborhoods & the RE business.

    I recommend reading “In Chicago Bodies Pile Up at Intersection of Depression & Rage” from 12/9 NYT (I acknowledge the irony of my cliche’d recommendation) and I ask you then suggest how we make progress or how iyo ‘lil DT can move all of us forward.

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  128. As I review my post let me add that if I misunderstood you and by saying “The same cops whose murders I condone” you meant the recent murders of policemen, I believe anyone who’s involved in murdering an officer of the law should be eligible for the death penalty.

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  129. southbound supports the death penalty? Lol.

    If Obama couldn’t hail a cab, what does that tell you about all the non-white cab drivers? Obama’s little story is BS, he cribbed it from somewhere else. Obama, the anti-white racist, is trying to get everyone to think it was “racist white” cab drivers who wouldn’t pick him up, but everyone knows, or ought to know, that the VAST majority of cabbies in Chicago from 1990-2004 weren’t white.

    There is no excuse for someone who self-segregates into Oak Park or North Center to try and claim they aren’t racist, even if they fly a Bernie sign to virtue signal. If you aren’t walking the walk (living in the vibrancy) then you are a hypocrite. It’s typical for sh!tlibs to not see themselves in the correct light. Delusion.

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  130. Don’t be facile HH. If you think taxi drivers don’t judge their fares by their appearance, you must be smoking something.

    And honestly, I’d LOVE to see hard evidence and facts to show where Obama has come off as a racist. Apart from the spin that Fox News likes to put on him of course.

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  131. “the VAST majority of cabbies in Chicago from 1990-2004”

    Get real. Maybe 98-2004, but even in the mid-90s it was *maybe* an even split. Flash Cab, as one example, was basically 100% born-in-chicago white dudes until about 98.

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  132. “If you think taxi drivers don’t judge their fares by their appearance”

    He’s suggesting that the cabbies who wouldn’t pick up Obama were black, and thus it wasn’t whitey hating the black man that meant he couldn’t get a ride.

    Surprised he doesn’t quote Jesse Sr more often:

    “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

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  133. anon(tfo): Chicago never had many white cabbies. It’s only recently with Uber that you see white guy drivers more often.

    Chicago cabbies during the era Obama concocted his anti-white propaganda were mostly Pakistani, African, MENA etc. Maybe a Romanian here or there, but the overwhelming percentage of cabbies that were acting allegedly racist under Obama’s story were non-whites.

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  134. ” I’d LOVE to see hard evidence and facts to show where Obama has come off as a racist.”

    Just observe who he gives “Kennedy Center” honors to. How about his “Medal of Freedom” awards? All one big overt racist world he lives in. The Podesta emails confirmed that his Dem party draws up racist lists of quotas when filing cabinet posts and positions. He hired based on lists of race and gender, not the best human being for the job. Obama sat in Rev. Wright’s pew, he never disavows the anti-white racists who support him. Obama subtitled his autobiography: “A Story of RACE and Inheritance”. his entire early life, being raised outside the US mainstream, was a search for a racial identity. He was raised by whites, but chose to become a black racialist Alinsky organizer. Why did he choose to start his new life on the southside of Chicago? Of all places? He couldn’t have picked a more racist place, home of Jesse, Farrakhan ad black panther Bobby Rush. He could’ve chosen to be a WashDC lawyer or a corporate lawyer, but Obama chose to be a racist and fight for his race.

    Funny thing is, blacks have been screwed over by Obama. Big time. He delivered to LGBT perverts, not African-Americans and esp, not blacks on Chicago’s southside where Obama hatched his bizarre life. Obama has done nothing for Chicago’s blacks, nada.

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  135. Obama eats dogs. That’s all it took for me to hate the man.

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  136. Just observe who he gives “Kennedy Center” honors to

    Kennedy Center honorees during Obama’s tenure

    2009 — Mel Brooks, Dave Brubeck, Grace Bumbry, Robert De Niro, and Bruce Springsteen
    2010 — Merle Haggard, Jerry Herman, Bill T. Jones, Paul McCartney, and Oprah Winfrey
    2011 — Barbara Cook, Neil Diamond, Yo-Yo Ma, Sonny Rollins, and Meryl Streep
    2012 — Buddy Guy, Dustin Hoffman, Led Zeppelin (John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant), David Letterman, and Natalia Makarova
    2013 — Martina Arroyo, Herbie Hancock, Billy Joel, Shirley MacLaine, and Carlos Santana
    2014 — Al Green, Tom Hanks, Patricia McBride, Sting, and Lily Tomlin
    2015 — Carole King, George Lucas, Rita Moreno, Seiji Ozawa, and Cicely Tyson
    2016 — Martha Argerich, Eagles (Don Henley, Timothy B. Schmit and Joe Walsh, with Glenn Frey), Al Pacino, Mavis Staples, James Taylor

    Looks like it’s primarily Whitey McWhitersons. (The Eagles, Led Zepplin, Billy Joel AND James Taylor? That is some white nonsense.)

    Regarding the Presidential Medal of Freedom, Obama’s given out more of those than any other prez. Include to notable minorities Tom Hanks, Bill Gates, Andy Griffith, and Arnold Palmer,

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  137. That should say “including to notable minorities”.

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  138. “And honestly, I’d LOVE to see hard evidence and facts to show where Obama has come off as a racist. Apart from the spin that Fox News likes to put on him of course.”

    One word: Ferguson.

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  139. So I’m a racist simply because I live in North Center HH? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. Try and introduce some logic and nuance to your opinions please.

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  140. Well, Obama did give an award to Cicely Tyson who played Kizzy!

    SidV: don’t self-flagellate. It’s OK to self-segregate yourself and family where you are in a comfortable setting of people. In Chicago, people do this all the time, esp. Jewish-Americans. There are some CPS schools that are 100% Hispanic, as they don’t choose to integrate with blacks. It’s OK, Breathe. Everyone does it, including you too. The Pritzkers can talk a big liberal game, but they most certainly self-segregate themselves. Go visit the Standard Club and tell us how “diverse” the lunch crowd is, LOL!

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  141. “notable minorities”

    Tom Hanks–cross dresser
    Bill Gates–nerd
    Andy Griffith–really old
    Arnold Palmer–beverage

    Yep, all minorities.

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  142. Buddy Guy? Get real. Affirm action choice. Plenty of better and more prolific guitarists. Kareem Abdul Jabbar? Why? Because he’s a black racist? All the rest of the whites are either Jews or sniveling virtual-signalling white sh!itlbs like Letterman, Hanks, Springsteen, DeNiro etc. DeNiro and George Lucas married to blacks. Herbie Hancock? What’s his contribution to culture? Lol. They throw people like Merle Haggard in there as a token. Led Zeppelin looked ridiculous wearing the Kennedy medals with their LGBT rainbow ribbons. The whole thing is a political farce.

    What about Obama’s decision to start his career as a black racist on the southside? He could have chosen anything else in life, with his affirm action Ivy credentials. Why go from harvard to Rev. Wright’s pew? Anyone who claims Obama isn’t an obsessed racist is in denial of the facts.

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  143. HH, just when you start to make a compelling conservative argument, you grab the wheel and veer it so far to the right the whole god damn bus goes off the cliff. You just don’t know when to shut the fuck up.

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  144. “There are some CPS schools that are 100% Hispanic, as they don’t choose to integrate with blacks.”

    Which ones?

    Segregation is still a problem in Chicago- no doubt. But my father went to an all-Polish school in Chicago back in the day. Immigrants usually live in immigrant communities which they are familiar with. And then they move out- which is why most of the western suburbs are now Polish. ha!

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  145. “He could’ve chosen to be a WashDC lawyer or a corporate lawyer, but Obama chose to be a racist and fight for his race.”

    Um…one problem with this “story.” He WAS a corporate lawyer. Went straight from Harvard to Biglaw in Chicago. That’s where he met Michelle who was a year ahead of him there.

    Lol!

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  146. “Chicago cabbies during the era Obama concocted his anti-white propaganda were mostly Pakistani, African, MENA etc. Maybe a Romanian here or there, but the overwhelming percentage of cabbies that were acting allegedly racist under Obama’s story were non-whites.”

    You were standing next to him on the street when he hailed one?

    Face it hh, you’re STILL jealous of Obama. His life. His accomplishments. And you just can’t handle it.

    He’ll go down as one of the upper echelon presidents. His administration was the most scandal-free in the last 50 years. Maybe ever. Just that alone is enough to put him towards the top.

    I can’t wait to see what he and Michelle do with their careers over the next 30 years.

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  147. By the way, HH’s bitterness and anger is so sad. So sad.

    Who goes through life like that?

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  148. “Went straight from Harvard to Biglaw in Chicago.”

    For a *summer*. He went to Miner, Barnhill & Galland, which has never been “biglaw”.

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  149. HD, you’re a prime cuckservative specimen. You remind me of Kasich. You probably look and eat like him too.

    I’m jealous of Trump, not Obama who deserves to be loathed as the most unqualified person to be president. Obama never operated a lemonade stand and he decided to enter public life as an Alinskyian racist! This is a RE blog and Trump is more successful in our RE business than anyone else in America. Sam Zell? He never developed or constructed a damn thing, he was a “grave dancer”. No comparison.

    Obama, having no business or entrepreneurial skills whatsoever, will follow the Clinton path and get rich giving speeches or getting paid an obnoxious salary from some extreme left wing foundation. Obama never helped blacks on the southside and he’s not even coming back to Chicago to live, LOL.

    I’m not bitter or sad, I like winning. As Trump has said, we’re going to win so much, we’re all going to get tired of winning! The bitter have the choice, jump on the train or wallow in sh!tlibbery and cry, cry, cry.

    Now look at our once proud Chicago. The city that’s bitter and losing, and now on the wrong side of history. We’re a broke laughing stock nationally. 1/2 of our city is pure ghetto and unsafe. The President-elect won’t lift a finger for us now. Why? Because we have a**holes as politicians who hated the winner. Losers and racists: Rahm, Obama, Luis Gutierrez, Jesse Jackson, Farrakhan, Schakowsky and uber-creep Robert Creamer. A rogue’s gallery. The City of Big Shoulders has become a city of petty pathetic anti-white racists, whiners, and sh!tlibs who hate cops. Did anyone see that Jim Brown likes Trump? He gets it.

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  150. anon tfo took a shot at Obama’s Biglaw cred. Unlike hd (or you?) O could’ve gone straight to Biglaw.

    WSJ from ’07: “As the Law Blog noted, Obama had an offer from Sidley Austin, where he’d summered, but instead chose Miner Barnhill… After three years… he was elected to the State Senate. Miner offered to keep him on salary and let him open an office in Springfield. But it didn’t work out. Recalls Miner: “He’s such an honest guy. On the third day, he calls me up, ‘Jud, I’m not going to have any time here, so I don’t want to take a draw.’” So instead, Obama became “of counsel,” working out of the office during the Legislature’s summer breaks until he was elected to the U.S. Senate.

    The story turns up the one oral argument Obama had before the Seventh Circuit… Obama defended a whistleblower who was allegedly blackballed by his bosses after he reported them for fraud… Obama won and his client, Ahmad Baravati, got to keep the extra $120,000. “I found he’s a very smart, innovative, skilled, relentless advocate for his client,” Baravati told the Sun-Times. “When I met him, he reminded me of Abraham Lincoln.”

    Say what you want about O & H but nonpartisan peers report they were great attorneys. O taught const. law @ U of C law schools & turned down offers to be a full time prof there. (note to CC’s hater(s) – there are fewer former pres.’s of Harvard’s Law Review than open positions as L school profs or in Biglaw so yeah O could have pretty much written his ticket lots of places no matter what. H Clinton taught criminal law at U of Ark for $16K/yr early in her career.

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  151. How old was Obama’s client that he knew Abraham Lincoln?

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  152. I’ve got virtue signaling, cuckservative, Alinskyite, libtard, Bill Ayers, and Rev. Wright. If anyone mentions social justice warriors or reverse racism, I’ll have Bingo! Bigot Bingo.

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  153. “anon tfo took a shot at Obama’s Biglaw cred. ”

    Gawd, you’re reading comp challenged now, too? Hie thee to a Huntington Learning Center!! Either that or you have a relationship with the truth that makes it seem like you’re gunning for a cabinet appointment.

    I challenged the assertion that he went “straight from Harvard to Biglaw”, which is *FACTUALLY INCORRECT*. Biglaw is biglaw; it isn’t the only thing that is “prestigious” or whatever, but it is a pretty well defined thing, and it *AIN’T* what Obama did.

    Indeed, the *actual* truth is that he went “straight from Harvard to a UChicago fellowship”, which, *really* ain’t Biglaw.

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  154. How about reverse reverse racism? Is that a thing? If not, it should be.

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  155. “Biglaw is biglaw; it isn’t the only thing that is “prestigious” or whatever, but it is a pretty well defined thing, and it *AIN’T* what Obama did.”

    Wasn’t nonny in biglaw? Can it really be that prestigious or “prestigious” or even that “whatever”?

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  156. And joe z!

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  157. “Indeed, the *actual* truth is that he went “straight from Harvard to a UChicago fellowship”, which, *really* ain’t Biglaw.”

    Let me be more clear: imo Biglaw Sidley’s offering a job to O upon grad makes the fact O DECIDED INSTEAD to join a sub Biglaw firm irrelevant TO ME. Is it true a Biglaw firm also offered you a position upon grad?

    Re “actual’ truth: UofC alum mag says “…. Baird reached out to Obama and asked him about teaching. Having already made plans to write a book on voting rights after graduation, Obama refused the offer. So Baird took a different approach and offered him a Law and Government Fellowship, which would allow him to work on his book and would perhaps lead him to develop an interest in teaching. Obama accepted the offer and began the fellowship in the fall of 1991. At that time, he also practiced civil rights, voting rights, and employment law as well as real-estate transactions and corporate law as an attorney with Miner,
    Barnhill & Galland, a position he held until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2005.”

    Sounds like O’s practicing at Miner while doing fellowship? Perhaps O picked Miner in part b/c Biglaw Sidley’s time demands of associates wouldn’t leave him enough time to write Xmas cards never mind books.

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  158. Let’s all change the topic a bit and talk about Rob Sherman now that he’s turning back into stardust…

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  159. “there are fewer former pres.’s of Harvard’s Law Review than open positions as L school profs or in Biglaw so yeah O could have pretty much written his ticket lots of places no matter what.”

    Yes. He could have gone anywhere. Done anything. Supreme Court. Biglaw in ANY city. Government. Non-government like Goldman Sachs.

    He worked hard to get where he got. No one in his family was a lawyer. To come out on top at a school like Harvard is special.

    That’s the thing I love about America. He and Michelle, even though they had no upper class upbringing or connections, could both end up at Harvard Law School.

    Long live America.

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  160. “This is a RE blog and Trump is more successful in our RE business than anyone else in America.”

    All Trump is now is a licensor. He licenses his name. That’s it. It’s a brand, I grant you that. But that is all.

    The only buildings he “owns” are Trump Tower NY and the one here in Chicago. And have you seen the first couple floors of Trump Tower on the Chicago River side? Have you seen all the shops and restaurants that are there? No, I didn’t think so.

    Heck, even the press has stopped asking if anything will EVER go in there. It’s been over 10 years since the building was complete. And yet all around that building are vibrant restaurants. What a waste of an opportunity.

    I would argue that Jorge Perez of Related is a far more successful developer. He, at least, takes risks. He’s not just licensing. He’s put his stamp on Florida like no other. He’s one of the driving forces behind the “internationalization” of Miami.

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  161. S: I agree and following up on “Long live America” (whose future and indeed survival concerns me very much right now) I’d like to make a comment or 30 re “..This is a RE blog and Trump is more successful in our RE business than anyone else in America. Sam Zell? He never developed or constructed a damn thing, he was a “grave dancer”. No comparison.”

    I agree there’s “No comparison”: SZ’s fam fled Poland in ’39 after which his father Bernard, who’d been a grain trader, became a jewelry wholesaler in Chgo and invested in apt bldgs. SZ attended U Mich’s undergrad & law school. SZ’s RE career began as undergrad when he managed 16 units in Ann Arbor in exchange for free room & board. The owner rewarded his performance by hiring him to manage other Ann Arbor bldgs. When SZ graduated from law school in ’66 he & Bob Lurie managed 4000 units & they’d purchased 150+ units – while students! SZ sold his share & moved to Chgo where he started by buying unflashy apt bldgs in B markets like Toledo at much better cap rates than similar bldgs in A markets like Chgo. Since then SZ’s created 3 of the world’s largest REITs. In ’07 he sold at the top 540 bldgs for $39 Bil! Take a look at what he’s done @ Equity Commonwealth in past 2+ years! SZ says he doesn’t build b/c he ‘doesn’t have an ediface complex’ & it’s ‘too risky for his taste’! (Imo that means SZ’s more of a disciplined rational investor & less narcissistic than DT). Fwiw in mid-80’s SZ developed the successful Cobbler Square loft apt & retail complex at Wells & Schiller. And SZ’s charitable contributions dwarf DT’s by million$ annually b/c DT doesn’t make any.

    DT’s grandfather Friedrich Drumpf aka Fred Trump immigrated from Germany in 1885 and after starting by profiteering off CA gold rush miners he’d amassed a large net worth by 1918 when he died at age 49. His widow Elizabeth (imo the big RE genius in Trump’s family!) & Fred Jr grew value of family’s RE & grocery business to abt $40 mil by 1970. DT attended Fordham U for 2 years until a buddy of DT’s brother Freddy who was admissions office at Penn got ‘lil DT into Wharton (being heir to a RE empire likely helped too). DT graduated with no honors in ’68. In ’71 ‘lilDT was annointed prez of “Elisabeth Trump & Son” which he later renamed “The Drumpf Organization” (j/k).

    Chgo has a great example of DT’s RE accumen & judgment. He built 3 floors of retail space in his hotel fronting Wabash b/c he was certain luxury retailers would join Trump Org. in ignoring maxims 1-3 of RE – location, location, location. DT convinced himself being “just a few hundred foot walk from Michigan Avenue” wouldn’t stop his successfully filling his retail space but after 15 years of DT marketing not even a Rainbow store or Binnies has leased even 1 foot! Zero absorption – what a self deluding loser! Fortune Mag calculated if DT had invested in index fund when he inherited ‘Elis. Trump & Son’ he’d be worth 4-5x what he’s now estimated to be worth. And he hasn’t been making money developing RE for some years – imo he’s in the (hopefully) lower risk biz of licensing use of the Trump name.

    In summary in the truly American way, SZ’s made himself into an actual billionaire RE superstar by repeatedly making mostly great RE decisions. DT on the other hand inherited his stake in an organization worth $40+ million & while many of his businesses have failed he hasn’t gone bankrupt yet despite several close calls. DT refuses to release tax returns presumably b/c they’d show he’s actually worth much less than he claims. Jmho & long live an America where we can agree or disagree back at you S!

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  162. S sorry for not reading yours before pressing send on mine but it’s a hilarious CC posting coincidence! (JZ may accuse me of being you again!)

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  163. The Drumpf thing is old, and tired. It’s like if I mentioned that Obama’s middle name is Hussein. Did you know that? Yeah his father was an alcoholic muslim with four wives who drunkenly crashed himself into a tree and killed himself.

    The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and Obama’s father’s life is a great analogy for his failed American presidency.

    That’s why, 8 years after Obama’s historic election, his political party is in shambles, Trump is our president elect, and the opposition holds more power in Washington, and around the country, than at any time since 1920. Nanacy Pelosi aka Ms. Skeletor is again minority leader (what is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?)

    The partisan crap goes both ways Southbound but you, along with most of the blue D states that are in fiscal downward spirals, are on the wrong side of history with this one.

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  164. I don’t understand how people in this country are OK with a president who eats dogs and brags about it.

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  165. “Trump is more successful in our RE business than anyone else in America”

    That evinces a complete lack of understanding of (1) the RE business, (2) success therein, (3) Trump’s *actual* level of success, and (4) the level of success of others in the RE business in America.

    In the running for dumbest thing ever written on the CC.

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  166. “I don’t understand how people in this country are OK with a president who eats dogs and brags about it.”

    The alternative the 1st time around involved Sarah Palin, and the 2d time someone who put the family dog on the roof of the car bc it was sick, and found it to be an amusing anecdote??

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  167. “imo Biglaw Sidley’s offering a job to O upon grad makes the fact O DECIDED INSTEAD to join a sub Biglaw firm irrelevant TO ME”

    I was in NO WAY addressing what is relevant to YOU. Whatever the F that might be in that TL;DR you wrote.

    I *SOLELY* addressed the inaccuracy of the statement that Obama went “straight from Harvard to Biglaw”. Which remains inaccurate, whatever may or may not be relevant to you (seems to me that TRUTH is the irrelevant thing? Maybe?)

    You bloggorhea in response to that, along with the tilting at strawmen, makes you sound like some cut rate “politician”–like a member of “Rent Is Too Damn High” party.

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  168. Hey, I’m a member of the “Rent is Too Damn High” party!

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  169. The way the stories are told every year to the new summers and first years, one would think that Obama had a long career at Sidley, but as everyone knows it was just a summer. That said, had he agreed to return there to practice after graduation, he wouldn’t have been toiling away toward whatever the billable hour requirements were back then. Then, as now, there’s always a special handful of summers and new associates who tend to be placed on a different track, in terms of both the type and amount of work. They have especially sterling credentials or political ambitions – and Obama had both.

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  170. hd’s trollin’& it read like somethin’ hh’d crap out & be right proud of.

    “..Obama’s father’s life is great analogy for his failed presidency.”
    Are we better off today than in ’08? We’ll soon learn if DT can manage issues like the financial mkt meltdown O inherited day 1.

    We’ll agree everyone comes from a family that has people with issues. DT’s brother Freddy referenced above died of alcoholism too but I’d never smear DT or Trump’s family b/c of that.

    I hope hd’s right & I’m “on the wrong side of history with this one”. In prev posts hd loved campaigner T’s “truth telling” – promises T’d end oppt’y for people to make fortunes from pub service connections esp. from foreign interests, drain the swamp etc. T’s now admitting he said whatever lies he needed to be elected. Doesn’t it appear T’s fam’s already focusing on reaping benefits from foreign gov’ts? hd any concern Putin/Russia scammed US electoral process? Ignoring other asshats he’s nominating aren’t you concerned Putin could have huge influence on US policy including oil? Ultimately where do you guess DT’ll land if he has to choose between interests of Trump fam/other 1%er’s & big oil’s interests vs the rest of our interest? I fear truly scary times are ahead for US mostly re China, N Korea etc. I suggest considering selling RE & buying gold.

    “Did I know that?” How could anyone with cable TV not hear “Hussein” along w/every other pejorative hd’s kind used to try diminishing our prez’s name? Drumpf humors me b/c I recall T’s prior claims his family immigrated from Sweden.

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  171. “The only buildings he “owns” are Trump Tower NY and the one here in Chicago. And have you seen the first couple floors of Trump Tower on the Chicago River side? Have you seen all the shops and restaurants that are there? No, I didn’t think so.”

    Sorry Bri he owns a few more than that.

    As of 2015, it is estimated that Trump’s real estate holdings were worth about US$3.5 billion with a value of commercial properties totaled at US$1.3 billion, his residential properties at US$410 million, and his club facilities at US$866 million, and an additional US$940 million for properties he has less than 100 percent stake in.[27] Trump’s real estate holdings form the core of his assets and provide much of his income, with a wide array of real estate licensing, branding and marketing deals and royalties that provide millions in annual cash flow.[28][29][30] As of 2005 Trump-branded condominiums in New York City sold for 36% more than comparable properties, according to the Corcoran Group.[31] In 2015, Trump earned $71 million from condo sales and collects $41.9 million in rental income on his buildings annually.[32]
    • Trump Tower, 725 Fifth Avenue, Midtown Manhattan: A 58-story mixed-use tower,[33] the headquarters of the Trump Organization, now 100 percent leased, was developed by a business partnership between the Trump Organization and the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States in 1983. Trump retains full control of the commercial and retail components of the tower.[34] In 2006, it was valued at $318 million, less a $30 million mortgage.[35] The total value of Trump Tower’s commercial and retail spaces is $460 million. The building was refinanced for $100 million in August 2012, allowing Trump to take a cash distribution of over $73 million.[36]
    o Personal Residence Trump Tower: Top 3 floors of Trump Tower with approximately 30,000 square feet (3,000 m²) of space; the triplex penthouse is decorated in diamond, 24-carat gold and marble, and features an interior fountain and a massive Italianate-style painting on the ceilings.[34] Worth as much as $50 million, it is one of the most valuable apartments in New York City.[37]
    • Trump World Tower, 845 United Nations Plaza, also in Midtown Manhattan: In 2006, Forbes estimated “$290 million in profits and unrealized appreciation” going to Trump.[35]
    • AXA Financial Center, 1290 Avenue of the Americas, New York City and 555 California Street, in San Francisco: When Trump was forced to sell a stake in the railyards on Manhattan’s West Side, the Asian group to which he sold then sold much of the site for $1.76 billion. Trump owns a 30 percent stake in both 1290 Sixth Avenue and 555 California Street. A 43-story trophy office tower, 1290 Sixth is worth as much as $1.5 billion.[34] Trump’s stake is estimated to be $450 million.[34] Trump’s interest in 555 California Street is worth $400 million.[34]
    • The Trump Building at 40 Wall Street: Trump bought and renovated this building for $1 million in 1995. The pre-tax net operating income at the building as of 2011 was US$20.89 million and is valued at $350 to $400 million, according to the New York Department of Finance. Trump took out a $160 million mortgage attached to the property with an interest rate of 5.71 percent to use for other investments.[34] Forbes valued the property at $260 million in 2006.[35]
    • Trump International Hotel and Tower Chicago: The entire project is valued at $1.2 billion ($112 million stake for Trump).
    • Trump Hotel Las Vegas: A joint development with fellow Forbes 400 members, Phil Ruffin, and Jack Wishna. Trump’s stake is valued at $162 million.
    • Trump International Hotel and Tower New York: Trump provided his name and expertise to the building’s owner (GE) during the building’s re-development in 1994 for a fee totaling $40 million ($25 million for project management and $15 million in incentives deriving from the condo sales). Forbes values Trump’s stake at $12 million. In March 2010, the penthouse apartment at Trump International Hotel & Tower in New York City sold was for $33 million.[38][39]
    • Trump Park Avenue Park Avenue & 59th Street: It is valued at $142 million. Trump owns 23 apartments at Trump Park Avenue, which he rents for rates as high as $100,000 per month, and 19 units at Trump Parc.[34]
    • Nike Store: The NikeTown store is located in Trump Tower. The leasehold valued at $200 million. Nike’s lease in the building expires in 2017 and the building serves as collateral for bonds held by Trump worth $46.4 million.[34]
    • Palm Beach estate: A 43,000 square feet (4,000 m²) large oceanfront mansion lot in Palm Beach. Trump purchased this property for $40 million at a bankruptcy auction in 2004. Trump sold the property for $100 million in June 2008, making it the most expensive house ever sold in the United States. (The previous record is $70 million for Ron Perelman’s Palm Beach estate in 2004.). Forbes values his stake in the property for $43 million.[40] Trump also owns two private homes in Palm Beach, Fla., adjacent to his Mar-a-Lago country club. Trump controls the two residential properties as real estate investments rather than vacation spots. The homes are worth around $6.5 million and $3 million.[34]
    • Mar-a-Lago Palm Beach, Florida: Most of this estate has been converted into a private club. This landmark property, according to Trump, has received bids near $200,000,000. However, Forbes magazine does not take into account either of Trump’s large vacation residences (Mar-a-Lago or his 213-acre (0.86 km2) spread near Bedford, NY in Westchester County, NY) for its valuation of his wealth. The property is worth as much as $250 million as of 2013.[34]
    • Seven Springs: A 213-acre estate located outside the town of Bedford in Westchester County. The building features a 13-bedroom mansion, but is also zoned to allow for the construction of 13 additional homes at the site. Trump paid $7.5 million for the entire property in 1995. Local Westchester County brokers put the property’s value at around $40 million.[34]
    • Beverly Hills estate: A large mansion located on Rodeo Drive. The property is valued at $8.5 to $10 million.[34]
    • Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C.: The Old Post Office Pavilion, historically known as the Old Post Office and Clock Tower, is a property located at 1100 Pennsylvania Avenue NW in Washington, D.C. The Trump developed the property into a luxury hotel, which opened in September 2016.

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  172. If success in realestate is your net worth then here is the most successful…… many are from Asia and name you might not know.

    Lee Shan Kee $19.6B
    Cheng Yu-Tong $16.2B
    Wang Jianlin $15.1B
    Donald Bren $14.4B
    Gerald Cavendish $13B
    Raymond Kwok $12.6B
    Simon Ruebin $11.5B
    Philip Ng $11B
    Joseph Lan $8.4B
    Peter Woo $7.2B
    Yang Huiyan $6.9B
    Charles Cadogan $6.9B
    Richard Lefrak $6.1B
    Chan Laiwa $6B
    Hui Ka Yan $5.7B
    Hui Wing Mau $5.7B
    Stephen Ross $5.4B

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  173. Jenny – I can’t understand why people in this country is OK with a president who bragged about grabbing pussy.

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  174. Rob Sherman is soaking nicely in a 1,000 degree lava hot tub right now. Fittingly. Nobody, but poz-pervert Eric Zorn cares when a God-hating bigot bites the dust.

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  175. I would rather own Trump’s portfolio of properties than Sam Zell’s mobile home parks and office/apt. complexes. Owning stuff like that is just spreadsheet work. Trump owns truly interesting assets. That’s the difference! Who cares that Blackstone owns 40 industrial buildings by O’Hare? I’d rather own Mar-a-Lago and Trump National golf clubs. Get it yet? Oh yeah, and no chance a Sam Zell could ever have become president. Trump at least has charisma and a sense of humor.

    Trump ought not be completely blamed for the retail along the river. For Trump to get the building built, the Chicago idiots like Mayor Daley, Blair Kamin-types etc. mandated that Trump hire Adrian Smith of Skidmore to design the building. They gave Trump no choice, if Trump was to get the PD necessary thru zoning. Blame the architect.

    What is the point of discussing Obama’s alleged Big Law career? Fact is, Obama chose to become an Alinskyite racist “organizer” and sit in Rev. Wright’s pew. Obama was a blank slate, he grew up outside the 48 states, outside black America, he spent 4 years in Indonesia, many more in Hawaii attending white prep school. Then he attended 2 Ivies. Obama has ZERO black street cred. He chose to become a Black Racist by moving to Chicago (epi-center of black nationalism/politics) at the age of 24. Funny thing is, he wasn’t black enough to beat Bobby Rush among blacks, but he was black enough for sniveling idiot white libtards like southbound and Madeline. LOL!!!

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  176. PS I left out that Trump’s owning, producing, and starring in a successful TV show is pretty cool, compared to managing a “REIT”. Trump is right, that the Apprentice show deserved the Emmy for its category, but it’s likely that the usual leftist poz bigot/haters didn’t want him to get it, because of jealousy.

    southbound writes in his glowing Shabbos goy bio of Sam Zell: “When SZ graduated from law school in ’66 he & Bob Lurie managed 4000 units & they’d purchased 150+ units – while students!”

    Care to explain how they achieved this? Yeah, sure, all young law students have access to cash equity & major bank loans as penniless immigrant boot-strapping students! 150 units in today’s money would be @$75,000 per unit equals $11.25 million. Sure, they had no help whatsoever! LOL. Typical shyster liar story. You forgot how Sam used to sell pornography on the school playground to his grade school classmates.

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  177. hd’s trollin’& it read like somethin’ hh’d crap out & be right proud of.

    Ding ding ding ding. We have a winner!

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  178. “Care to explain how they achieved this? Yeah, sure, all young law students have access to cash equity & major bank loans as penniless immigrant boot-strapping students!”

    Sam Zell is an immigrant???

    He graduated in 1966. So he was buying them in the early 1960s. It was a different world in real estate then. No one was watching flip or flop or thought it was a great idea to buy it up. It’s kind of like how Buffett and others in the 50s and 60s had the stock market pretty much all to themselves as long as they did the work. How’d Buffett buy all those stocks so young?

    You save some money, you buy a few apartments, you rent them, you build equity. You do it again. And once you get a decent number of them, then the bank takes notice (or, in Buffett’s case, the people living in the neighborhood) and then they give you money.

    Trump wouldn’t know anything about any of this because it was his dad which bought the first apartments, not him. He has no clue how to build a business from the ground up.

    So stop trashing on Sam, who has done more in his career than you have blood in your little finger.

    Anyone who becomes a true billionaire (which isn’t Trump, actually) deserves some credit.

    And if any TV deserves the emmy in that reality category, it is Survivor and Jeff Probst. Not Trump. Lol.

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  179. “I’d rather own Mar-a-Lago and Trump National golf clubs. Get it yet? Oh yeah, and no chance a Sam Zell could ever have become president. Trump at least has charisma and a sense of humor.”

    Who cares about Sam Zell?

    Like I said, Jorge Perez crushes Trump, and Zell. Perez has been a genius at judging the market (and saving himself during the Great Recession, which should have doomed him) only to rise again. Isn’t Related building One Bennett Place here in Chicago?

    Trump hasn’t actually built anything of interest in many years. The Chicago Tower turned out pretty good, thankfully, but is it iconic? I don’t think if you showed a picture of it to some Americans living in LA they would know what the building was.

    The Toronto Trump Tower just went BK. The developer defaulted.

    Because Donald Trump isn’t a developer anymore and hasn’t been for a long time. He licenses his name. Like Calvin Klein, Donna Karan etc.

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  180. “If success in realestate is your net worth then here is the most successful…… many are from Asia and name you might not know.”

    Thanks for the list oilc. But some of these aren’t actually developers. They just happen to own a lot of expensive real estate.

    Take Gerald Cavendish, who actually just died. He was the Duke of Westminster. His 25 year old son has inherited, both the property and the Dukedom. They aren’t developers like Jorge Perez or guys like that. They are rich because they own half of London thanks to purchases years and years ago.

    But I’m sure there are many Asian developers that we have never heard of who are crushing it. Think of how many condos are being built in China?

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  181. “The only buildings he “owns” are Trump Tower NY and the one here in Chicago. And have you seen the first couple floors of Trump Tower on the Chicago River side? Have you seen all the shops and restaurants that are there? No, I didn’t think so.”

    “Sorry Bri he owns a few more than that.”

    Thanks oilc. Actually, this list (which we have NO idea how much of it is true since he won’t release his tax returns) proves my point. He actually owns LESS than I thought. I thought he owned Trump Tower Chicago outright. He only owns a small percentage of it? Only about 10% Wow. Who knew?

    Basically, the only building he owns outright is Trump Tower NY where he lives. Wow.

    Yeah- he’s a very different “developer” than what Perez does at Related. Related has developed over 60,000 apartments.

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  182. “The partisan crap goes both ways Southbound but you, along with most of the blue D states that are in fiscal downward spirals, are on the wrong side of history with this one.”

    Which of the blue D states is in a fiscal downward spiral other than Illinois? They are the richest power centers in this country. Lol! They have the highest education levels and the lowest number of people on government assistance. Without the blue states, the rest of the country, other than Texas, would be toast.

    It’s okay HD. Obama is leaving office with a high approval rate, just like his high approval rate when he came into office 8 years ago. The 4.6% unemployment level probably has something to do with that.

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  183. Sabrina: Yes, Jorge Perez is a worthy person. He’s no different than Trump, been thru ups and downs, bankruptcies and rebirth. That’s the RE biz. Miami is hugely volatile, Perez had his spreadsheet failures too, when absorption and prices per sf didn;t meet the proforma.

    But to compare Trump to him is laughable. Trump is an American. Perez weasels off hysterical foreigners who want to launder money into US Dollars. Look at Venezuela today,

    Trump loves this country, if people deny that, they have mental problems. Jorge Perez is a local SoFL guy, would he give a crap about Chicago? or America? HELL NO.

    Sabrina: stop defending “blue states”, people are leaving them. I have to laughm 30 years ago you had to be in NY or SF to get a Zagat meal. Now the whole nation has kick butt young chefs in red states too.

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  184. Sabrina I suggest you take a look at this website… http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    click the ‘state debt clocks’ in the upper left and have a lookie loo at some of the blue states like NY and CA

    look at that debt per person… UNBELIEVABLE!

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  185. “it was his dad which bought the first apartments”

    It was his *grandmother* who actually started the business–Elizabeth Trump & Son.

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  186. “who has done more in his career than you have blood in your little finger.”

    Is this actually a common phrase? Origin??

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  187. “Duke of Westminster…own half of London thanks to purchases years and years ago”

    Grosvenor family married the heiress of that land. Wasn’t a Grosvenor who bought it.

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  188. “have a lookie loo at some of the blue states like NY and CA
    look at that debt per person… UNBELIEVABLE!”

    IL=$12,763
    CA=$12,122
    TX=$10,397

    Not that much different.

    Yeah, the deep south is quite a bit lower.

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  189. NY is 18,209 per person
    Taxachutsets 13k
    CT 13k
    MA 13k

    Whatevers

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  190. HH is bad at math and worried about non existent gods. Typical trumpian.

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  191. Tone, your comment that stereotypes Trump voters is mean spirited and bigoted. What if I replaced “trumpian” with “black person” or “hispanic woman.” Is that really any worse? Look in the mirror buddy, you’re just as bad as the people you claim superiority to.

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  192. “…Trump is an American. Perez weasels off hysterical foreigners who want to launder money into US Dollars..”

    Wadda flamin’ ignoramus (true, not mean spirited). USA Today’s article today reports Russians have been the #1 purchasers of Trump’s gaudy overpriced condos. hh doesn’t believe Putin’s buddies buying NYC condos isn’t laundering of money by foreigners into US dollars?

    DT jr says in earlier statement quoted in article “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; … certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York,” Trump Jr. said … “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia. …”

    Oh yeah I forgot hh is a member of the group of supporters Trump loves the most – poorly educated white power asshats.

    hd calling out a poster who responded to an hh post by accusing the responder to hh of being “mean spirited and bigoted”? That’s the classic definition of ironic to me.

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  193. Obama loves this country, if people deny that, they have mental problems.

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  194. “hd calling out a poster who responded to an hh post by accusing the responder to hh of being “mean spirited and bigoted”? That’s the classic definition of ironic to me.”

    Readying comprehension bro: I wasn’t defending HH, I was defending Trump voters.

    “Obama loves this country, if people deny that, they have mental problems.”

    Liberalism – its a mental disorder.

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  195. Conservatism – its a mental disorder.

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  196. Grosvenor family married the heiress of that land. Wasn’t a Grosvenor who bought it.

    Wow. anon(tfo) is some kind of British historian now. When did that “marriage” happen? 1600? 1700?

    Lol!

    And who gives a shit if it was a Grosvenor who accumulated the land or not? The fact is, they are among the richest families in all of England.

    The family owns half of London. They aren’t “developers” any more than the Queen of England who is also a massive landowner.

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  197. “Grosvenor family married the heiress of that land. Wasn’t a Grosvenor who bought it.”

    Who was it? Which wife? Just curious.

    The Wikipedia entry says it was bought in the early 18th century. Their titles go back to 1622 but they didn’t become Dukes until Queen Victoria. Not many British women would have been heiresses back then. It would have skipped the woman to go to the man. Not sure women could even own land in the early 18th century.

    “The Grosvenor family’s first development was in Mayfair, Central London, in the early 18th century; the second big development came around 100 years later and was in another exclusive part of London – Belgravia, developed by the family after the end of Napoleonic Wars and the conversion of Buckingham Palace – which is just one mile East. After developing the two parts of Central London, the family business expanded. During the second half of the 20th century, the business expanded into the Americas and developed Annacis Island and Vancouver in Canada in the 1950s. The family business started developing in Australia in the 1960s. They moved to Asia in the early 1990s and to continental Europe just before the millennium. In April 2000, the firm moved into new London offices. The business was headed by the 6th Duke, who was Chairman of the Trustees”

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  198. I found it.

    It was part of her dowry. A way to get into the aristocracy.

    “The Davies family owned five hundred acres of meadow land west of the built up City of London. Though the rents on the meadows were small, London was expanding fast and the opportunity for wealth growth was seen even then, specifically in the hundred acres that form modern Mayfair today. This part of the land parcel was Mary Davies dowry and is described in legal deeds as “lying south of the old Roman Road – now Oxford Street and east of Park Lane.”

    Mary’s family saw an opportunity to align their humble family name with the aristocracy and began brokering an important marriage for baby Mary. In 1672 when she was eight an agreement was drawn up (by shrivners) whereby she was to be married to the Hon. Charles Berkeley once she was of a legal age to wed which was then age twelve.

    As part of the contract, Lord Berkeley paid £5,000 as a downpayment on his son’s bride to be. The money was used to finish Mary’s father’s mansion and in the upbringing of the baby Mary. Lord Berkeley also agreed to settle land of a considerable annual value either on or in trust for his son and his bride-to-be by the time of the ceremony.

    However, the marriage between Mary and Charles never took place as Lord Berkeley was unable to provide the promised land to settle upon the marriage. Although he was a rich man he had recently built Berkeley House in Piccadilly and purchased and south of the fields belonging to Mary called Brick Close in Mayfair.

    Another husband was quickly found for Mary in the form of the baronet, Sir Thomas Grosvenor who came from an ancient Cheshire landowning family. He agreed to marry the twelve year old Mary, paid off the £5000 to Lord Berkeley and married her on 10th October 1677. She was twelve years old, he was twenty-one.”

    http://www.mayfaireccentrics.com/eccentrics/mary-davies/#

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  199. “It was his *grandmother* who actually started the business–Elizabeth Trump & Son.”

    Fantastic! Even better. So he’s the third generation. Like I said, he has no clue what it means to start a business.

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  200. Jorge Perez has never declared bankruptcy. Trump has done it 4 times.

    I never said Perez “cares” about Chicago or America. He is not a political candidate. Neither is Sam Zell. Why do you keep comparing Trump to those who are real businessmen? Trump is no longer that. Everyone can deny it but he’s now a politician, forever more.

    To come this country and have this kind of success Jorge Perez has had is truly the American Dream. He didn’t inherit his business from his parents/grandparents. He wanted to be a professor or academic. Started building apartments in 1979.

    Lol.

    If people are leaving blue states, it’s because of the extreme costs of living there because of the amazing success of its cities. It is the richest parts of the country. The future of the country is in the cities. It doesn’t matter if it is red or blue state.

    Every single major city, even in the red states, voted for Hillary, some by overwhelming margins. So the whole “blue/red” thing is a red herring. It’s city v. rural. Because if you live in Nashville, it’s not different than living in Austin, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, LA, Atlanta, or NYC. They all vote blue. They all voted Hillary. They are all diverse, rich, growing and global. Multiple languages are spoken. Multiple foods are found within its borders. Their children are educated through high school at the highest level. Those kids are ready to take whatever China or Russia or anyone else throws at us.

    It is the rural schools and kids which aren’t ready.

    The divide between city and rural used to not be this large. But the information age is accelerating it. No way to “go back.” Question is, how to help the rural areas play catch up. Or can you?

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  201. Why are we comparing Trump to Sam Zell? To once again illustrate how much more successful on every level Trump is than a Sam Zell. Who says Trump isn’t still a businessman? At 69 years of age, he just opened up the best hotel in WashDC on Pennsylvania Avenue, under budget and ahead of schedule? What’s Sam done lately, stared at some spreadsheets or accounting statements for some boring REIT? FFO! The ugly troll like Zell also never executive produced and starred in a successful TV show, or did we miss that? Do you realize how much Trump personally profited from that business endeavor?

    Who knows how much Jorge Perez has anyway. His deals in the condo boom most certainly did not do well. I believe now bankrupt and defunct Corus Bank was one of his lenders. If the bank didn’t get their money back, what do you think the return on Perez’s equity sources was? A: Zero.

    Now, in the old days when people wanted to leave Blue crapholes, they went to CA or FL. Now that SoFL and LA/San Fernando Valley are a carbon copies of Blue crapholes, nobody wants to go there.

    So, later it was “Sunbelt” cities that drew the folks fleeing failed bluetopias. People were going to Dallas, Atlanta, and Phoenix. Gee whiz, as Sabrina says these are also now indistinguishable from bluetopia crapholes too!

    Las Vegas was next. Now a craphole too. Denver still hanging in there, for now.

    So, where are we today? LOL, see up top, on this thread, you hear everyone talking about the Carolinas. Why? Because now ALL major urban areas are the same, these so-called indistinguishable Bluetopias with high crime rates, heavy taxation, bad schools(!), and lower qualities of life.

    So, in 20 more years when everyone will have soured on Charleston or Charlotte, then what? I guess the USA is big enough we can all move around endlessly.

    It should be a wake up call to every American than nobody thinks our two best original spots, Southern CA and South Florida, are now so f*cked up that no sane young couple with offspring would want to move there, despite the weather and other advantages.

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  202. I guess the lack of demand is why real estate prices are through the roof in southern CA and Miami.

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  203. Sabrina, the blue cities voted overwhelmingly blue because they have concentrations of wealthy and of poverty. Outside of the city limits in the suburbs and into the exurbs it was as red as you could ever imagine.

    Like I said, Hillary’s 2.5+ mil votes she won is less than the margin she won by in California. It’s hard to take the popular vote seriously when a bunch of whackjobs out of california all of Hillary’s popular vote ‘win’.

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  204. “Every single major city, even in the red states, voted for Hillary, some by overwhelming margins.”

    Yes because every major city is packed full of government benefit receiving minorities and brainwashed academics.

    Every rural area is packed full of government benefit receiving whites, although that is changing as well

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  205. “I guess the lack of demand is why real estate prices are through the roof in southern CA and Miami.”

    most of the people living there are blaming foreign investment…

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  206. “Duke of Westminster…own half of London thanks to purchases years and years ago”

    The core of the holding was the inherited wealth of a wife–the Grosvenor family married into it, it was not “purchased” by someone in the Duke’s line.

    Here’s the cite, doofus:

    http://www.grosvenor.com/about-grosvenor/history/

    “the origins of the property business lie in the land in London that came into the Grosvenor family in 1677 with the marriage of Mary Davies and Sir Thomas Grosvenor”

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  207. “Denver still hanging in there”

    Denver voted 73.69% for Clinton and 18.89% for Trump.

    So I guess you can have a city full of liberal losers that still isn’t crap??

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  208. homedelete on December 19th, 2016 at 8:49 am

    Sabrina, the blue cities voted overwhelmingly blue because they have concentrations of wealthy and of poverty. Outside of the city limits in the suburbs and into the exurbs it was as red as you could ever imagine.

    Like I said, Hillary’s 2.5+ mil votes she won is less than the margin she won by in California. It’s hard to take the popular vote seriously when a bunch of whackjobs out of california all of Hillary’s popular vote ‘win’.”

    It’s hard to take you seriously when you are clearly a fucking moron. Why does it matter where a person lives?

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  209. http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/colorado/

    Oh look, Denver suburbs didn’t vote for the con artist.

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  210. http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/georgia/

    Atlanta suburbs didn’t vote for dipshit either.

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  211. http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/illinois/

    Chicago suburbs didn’t either.

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  212. Tone, it matters because NY and CA would determine every Presidential election. As HD, pointed out, Hillary only won popular vote because of CA. The reason we have an electoral college is so that our elections are not determined by a handful of very populous cities.

    We are a nation of STATES. The fact that a lot of people decide to live in CA does not over ride the needs of the 49 other states. The electoral college gives a nod to CA’s population with its 55 votes. Nothing further is needed.

    Whining about the popular vote is like claiming you won a football game because you had more yardage than the opposing team but never scored.

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  213. http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/minnesota/

    Nor did the twin city’s suburbs

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  214. http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/oregon/

    Portland suburbs

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  215. http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/maryland/

    DC suburbs

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  216. Good job tone, keep up the good work pointing out blue states where the suburbs of major voted for Hillary!

    Hillary was a garbage candidate, and she lost the election, big time, due to the arrogance and ignorance of people like you. They didn’t even campaign in WI! Seriously? Seriously

    And on the local level, the (D) lost even more, miserably in fact. (D) have less control of the federal, state and local governments than at any point in the previous 100 years!

    Keep up the good work!

    Who’s the fucking idiot now?

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  217. “Chicago suburbs didn’t either.”

    Chicago suburbs and many other bluetopia suburbs are 21st century crapholes. Have you been to Woodfield Mall lately? It’s like the UN, multi-culti gangbangers and gangbanger-culture wannabes, obese slob adult immigrants. The days of seeing 8s in Chicagoland are over. That’s why people are dreaming of escaping to Charleston, SC where there is an idea that somehow people, culture, and the environment are still American and nice, and it won’t resemble Caracas, Hyderabad, or LA, SoFl, Atlanta, or Korea.

    Nothing less than an immigration time-out as was done in 1924 will save this country from becoming a Brazil-north, with all its attendant problems.

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  218. HD, Trump supporters aren’t known for their brains.

    http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/georgia/

    Atlanta suburbs didn’t vote for Donnie either.

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  219. http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/pennsylvania/

    Philly suburbs rejected Donnie as well.

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  220. “… obese slob adults…” posts hh who’s repeatedly focused on & posted guesses re other’s appearances huh hd?

    Ironic since imo hh likely looks just like Jason Van Dyke’s big brother – another pudgy, pasty faced bad ass (at least when packing & backed by 8 others packing or when posting anonymously).

    I don’t believe hh’s initials are V.D. tho. hh’s more likely the recently fired ‘Office Lawlor’, now suing MWRD b/c it’s not fair for a heavy clouted white officer to be fired for the stupidity of accidentally broadcasting views of blacks, immigrants & gays on IL police radio. hh may instead be former ‘Officer Duignan’ who’s suing cpd to be rehired claiming it’s delusional disorders that clouded officer’s judgments – describing hh perfectly. Imo hh’s extremely bitter hh’s birthright of promotions thru a civil service career has been disrupted by unfair imposition of rules and laws designed to even civil service promotion playing field for all. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving ___ – just mho.

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  221. what the fuck are you talking about, critique opinions not the poster

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  222. “That’s why people are dreaming of escaping to Charleston, SC where there is an idea that somehow people, culture, and the environment are still American and nice, and it won’t resemble Caracas, Hyderabad, or LA, SoFl, Atlanta, or Korea”

    I’m guessing somebody in this thread hasn’t spent much time in Atlanta or the LA area.

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  223. If you compare the blue states vs the red states and the blue cities which have been controlled by Democrats for 60 plus years (Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, New York, etc.). You have to ask yourself why are cities and states controlled by Democrats such utter failures when compared to their red state counterparts?

    I am more of a Libertarian and I lean Republican. But please do not put me in the same category as helmethofer or homedelete.

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  224. “I’m guessing somebody in this thread hasn’t spent much time in Atlanta or the LA area.”

    Oh yes I have. Why do you think the Braves our high-tailing it out to Cobb County? Because Atlanta is a johannesburg craphole in the making. LA is so far pozzed out culturally that you’d have to be a pedophile or a trans-perv or a occult kabbalist jew to want to live there.

    southbound: If you want to see what’s going on with the CPD, google and read the secondcitycop blog. You have to be the most anti-white white person on CC, and that’s saying alot.

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  225. Tone on December 19th, 2016 at 11:22 am
    “HD, Trump supporters aren’t known for their brains.”

    First of all, I can’t believe this post is still carrying on, but be that as it may, that’s a ridiculous comment. Once you get past the “overly educated” HRC supporters (who have a tendency to be emotionally brainwashed sheep by their liberal university experiences and professors), you get a high % of voting Dems who are not educated and oftentimes on government assistance (I am guessing you forgot about those millions who live in our large US cities). Given these two choices we had for President, it’s clear the majority of Trump supporters have more common sense, and I’d rather be known for my common sense than my brains any day of the week. It doesn’t take a genius to know right from wrong, and HRC was just wrong on too many levels. Moreover, why are we still debating this? It’s over, time to move on and embrace what we can, and work to change the issues we really care about on a cellular level.

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  226. dumb southbound writes: ” imposition of rules and laws designed to even civil service promotion playing field for all. ”

    Yeah, just lower the standards. Just like Common Core and everything else in this dumber-by-the-minute country under Obama! Degeneration.

    from secondcitycop blogL

    The Racism of Lower Expectations

    In their inane quest for “diversity,” the lure of lower standards:
    Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday opened the door to allowing candidates with minor drug and criminal offenses to become Chicago Police officers to attract minorities at a time of high crime and deep distrust.

    Emanuel said he’s leaning toward relaxing the hiring rules at the behest of three powerful aldermen: Finance Committee Chairman Edward Burke (14th); Ald. Roderick Sawyer (6th), chairman of the City Council’s Black Caucus, and Hispanic Caucus Chairman George Cardenas (12th).

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  227. “controlled by Democrats for 60 plus years … New York”

    W. T. F??

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  228. “Why do you think the Braves our high-tailing it out to Cobb County? ”

    Um, because Cobb County was willing to pony up $400m, and Fulton offered $0?

    Fulton is paying less for the new football stadium that will cost about 2x as much.

    So, simple government welfare arbitrage.

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  229. “lower the standards. Just like Common Core”

    W. T. F??

    There is *tons* to criticize Common Core for, but *lowering* “the standards” (such as they exist/existed apart from common core) ain’t a legitimate gripe.

    You sound like you’re parroting some third-rate, alt-right podcast, and not doing any independent thinking about it *at all*.

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  230. But, to answer the question of the initial post: No, I would not buy in Trump Tower Chicago right now. Not because I don’t like Trump (I don’t) or because I’m an anti-white bigot (??) or because I’m afraid of terrorism (the threat is overblown), but because you can get more space in a better location for less money. Also, the lack of rents from the retail space could potentially cause the assessments to increase; and the empty storefronts may cause the property values to drop. So, not a good investment, regardless of the ownership/sponsorship/branding/whatever.

    I know, silly me, focusing on real estate…

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  231. “..Given these two choices we had for President, it’s clear the majority of Trump supporters have more common sense, and I’d rather be known for my common sense than my brains any day of the week. It doesn’t take a genius to know right from wrong…”

    Talk about sheep – the so called common sense driven DT voters elected a true narcissist. DT has never admitted there’s existed a time or action where he wasn’t 100% right. I believe DT’s opinion is no rule of law or standard of conduct applies to him. While I never lost sleep when Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush(es), Clinton or O began serving, I do now.

    I predict DT’ll attempt to impose a fascistic martial law at his first opportunity, likely when after at DT’s instigation US is on verge of armed conflict w/ China, N Korea or other power(s). I believe DT’ll then try to annoint himself unchecked despot b/c he’s certain he alone knows what decisions are best for US citizenry. Imho his attempted maneuver, if the military & congress don’t succeed in quashing it, will incite a Balkan like civil war here. Imho there are extremely scary times ahead.

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  232. Russ on December 19th, 2016 at 10:52 am

    Tone, it matters because NY and CA would determine every Presidential election. As HD, pointed out, Hillary only won popular vote because of CA. The reason we have an electoral college is so that our elections are not determined by a handful of very populous cities.”

    Why do you guys get so hung up on where a voter lives? People are people, they get to vote. Why should WY get 1 electoral vote/167K people and FL get 1 electoral vote/686K people?

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  233. “but *lowering* “the standards” (such as they exist/existed apart from common core) ain’t a legitimate gripe.”

    That is the main complaint. The “MA standards” are higher and they sort of set the gold standard. Common Core forced the state of MA to lower its standards, I believe. Another criticism is that the common core standards for English don’t include enough fictional/cultural reading, and the emphasis is instead on non-fictional information comprehension. I actually prefer that.

    “I predict DT’ll attempt to impose a fascistic martial law at his first opportunity, likely when after at DT’s instigation US is on verge of armed conflict w/ China, N Korea or other power(s). I believe DT’ll then try to annoint himself unchecked despot b/c he’s certain he alone knows what decisions are best for US citizenry. Imho his attempted maneuver, if the military & congress don’t succeed in quashing it, will incite a Balkan like civil war here. Imho there are extremely scary times ahead.”

    You’re unhinged. What we really risked until was a Leftist coup and illegitimate stealing of the election. Hillary was the narcissist, she didn’t even campaign. You have to hand it to Trump, he WORKED his ass off, doing sometimes 2-3 rallies per day in different states. Trump went on the news programs and dealt with the hostile rigged media. Hillary didn’t even think she had to answer to anyone, or the people. She supports partial birth abortion, southbound, you false, fake Catholic. There’s no excuses for anyone who is associated with Notre Dame to have been a collaborator with such an evil witch. Her husband is a rapist, they got rich off politics, sold their souls and access for money. Podesta is definitely an occultist pedo-perv and #pizzagate culture was defeated by Trump and God too, don’t you doubt it for a second.

    Oh yeah, and had there been some Soros/Leftist/CIA meddling and coup, like has been done elsewhere, Trump had the US Military on his side and his supporters are armed (2nd amendment). We risked a color revolution right here at home, but even the Leftist knew their evil wouldn’t fly in our United States of America.

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  234. “That is the main complaint.”

    No, it is not. Quit arguing losing points.

    The Federalist doesn’t have that as one of 10 things:

    http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/24/top-ten-things-parents-hate-about-common-core/

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  235. “That is the main complaint.”

    No, it is not. Quit arguing losing points.

    The Washington Post doesn’t list it:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/07/23/common-core-might-be-the-most-important-issue-in-the-2016-republican-presidential-race-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-it/?utm_term=.2aa37f335e61

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  236. “That is the main complaint.”

    No, it is not. Quit arguing losing points.

    Glenn Beck doesn’t mention it:

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/08/the-whole-story-on-common-core/

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  237. “That is the main complaint.”

    That may be your BS “main complaint”, that you developed to make yourself seem “thoughtful” on the subject. It doesn’t work.

    Maybe you should do some “non-fictional information comprehension” before using Common Core as part of your future “destruction of the culture” rants. You’re off-base.

    Like I’ve said many times, there are tons of very legit things to hate about Common Core. That it attempted (and I say failed, even before the repeals that have happened and will continue) to establish a national minimum-standard is only barely valid, and of a piece with concerns about the UN taking over the United States government.

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  238. PS:

    If your complaint *were* valid, then the solution would be to support implementing the (so-called) “MA standards” as a replacement for the curriculum developed for common core.

    Find me more than a dozen egghead librul education profs arguing for that.

    Find me *one* outside of your reviled blue-state “cesspools”.

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  239. Your Federalist .com link contains it:

    “Common Core supporters will admit that several states had better curriculum requirements than Common Core. Then they typically say it’s still better for those states to have lowered their expectations to Common Core’s level, because that way we have more curricular unity. That’s what the Fordham Institute’s Mike Petrilli told Indiana legislators when he came to our state to explain why, even though Fordham graded Indiana’s former curriculum requirements higher than Common Core, Indiana should remain a step below its previous level. One main reason was that we’d be able to use all the curriculum and lesson plans other teachers in other states were tailoring (to lower academic expectations, natch). Yay, we get to be worse than we were, but it’s okay, because now we’re the same as everyone else!”

    PRIVATE schools have adopted Common Core (they have to because the all-important standard tests for the kiddies are based on it). So, there is a concern that these schools are lowering their standards.

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  240. “I predict DT’ll attempt to impose a fascistic martial law at his first opportunity, likely when after at DT’s instigation US is on verge of armed conflict w/ China, N Korea or other power(s). I believe DT’ll then try to annoint himself unchecked despot b/c he’s certain he alone knows what decisions are best for US citizenry. Imho his attempted maneuver, if the military & congress don’t succeed in quashing it, will incite a Balkan like civil war here. Imho there are extremely scary times ahead.”

    Julius Caesar did something like that. Are you saying that DT is Julius Ceasar? Is this the end of the Republic?

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  241. “Hillary was the narcissist, she didn’t even campaign.”

    Definition of narcissist from the American Heritage Dictionary:

    “A consuming self-absorption or self-love; a type of egotism. Narcissists constantly assess their appearance, desires, feelings, and abilities.”

    A narcissist actually would WANT to campaign. They want to do “2-3 rallies per day in different states” not sit at home. A narcissist actually gets an adrenalin rush from the rallies and the cheers of strangers. That’s why a narcissist who wins political office would want to do a “victory tour” – continuing the rallies. Without the rallies, the narcissist withers and dies.

    Hillary didn’t attend a single rally for herself for 4 years as Secretary of State. She didn’t die from the lack of rallies.

    What will happen to Donald when he doesn’t hear the cheers, but hears boos of the protesters outside the White House? (starting the day after the inaugural?)

    We will have to wait and see.

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  242. Common Core is just a symptom of the dysfunctionality of the buffoons that run our elementary schools. These people couldn’t pull their heads out of their a$$es. And my kids allegedly go to a ‘good’ school. The principal sends emails that are barely understandable, the teachers are goofs, the homework they give the kids makes no sense, and I have no idea what they expect to learn from it. Each kid is now a ‘snowflake’ who must have everything be SO orderly and structured and organized, that school feels like a stifling prison compared to preschool. I’ve never in my life considered home school until I met today’s buffons called the educational system. If you can’t succeed anywhere else, go into education! They complain about working so many hours – because they are slow and unproductive! A little efficiency would go a long way you know!

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  243. “Hillary only won popular vote because of CA.”

    This is the wrong analysis of “the vote” and a lie (just like saying there are 95 million people out of work when 32 million of them are retirees.)

    If this “only because of CA” line of reasoning was correct then EVERY single Republican would lose the popular vote over the last, say, 20 years of the cycle.

    She actually won MORE votes than Trump in all the major cities. Her margin of victory has nothing to do with it “all being California.”

    Trump actually got less of the percentage of the popular vote than Dukakis did in 1988.

    Hillary crushed him on the popular vote. In many, many states. It really has nothing to do with “California.” But dream on.

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  244. Once you get past the “overly educated” HRC supporters (who have a tendency to be emotionally brainwashed sheep by their liberal university experiences and professors), you get a high % of voting Dems who are not educated and oftentimes on government assistance (I am guessing you forgot about those millions who live in our large US cities).

    So- let me get this straight. If you voted for HRC:

    Either you’re super educated (at “liberal” universities) OR you’re poor.

    That must be why 83% of voters in Chicago voted for HRC. I guess only 17% are middle class???

    And what to make of every single collar suburb who also voted for her. Are they poor and on government assistance in Schaumburg, Palatine, Berwyn?

    I guess so.

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  245. “LA is so far pozzed out culturally that you’d have to be a pedophile or a trans-perv or a occult kabbalist jew to want to live there.”

    Wow.

    Chicago has the second largest Mexican population after LA. I guess that puts us into this same category.

    God bless Chicago and Los Angeles. Truly representative of the greatness of this country. Long live the melting pot. I’m so proud my ancestors chose to come to this fantastic city. And Los Angeles is a wonderful representation of everything great about this country: Disney, Snapchat, among others.

    Again- it’s shocking how much hatred you have HH. The bitterness and anger is astounding. So ugly.

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  246. “You have to ask yourself why are cities and states controlled by Democrats such utter failures when compared to their red state counterparts?”

    They are? Orange County filed for bankruptcy and that was Republican controlled for forever. Was Jefferson County in Alabama (which is Birmingham) run by the Republicans? HRC won there but that doesn’t mean the local government isn’t Republican.

    And I don’t think you can ever call San Francisco an “utter failure” with its massive wealth and job creation. It currently has a 3.9% unemployment rate. New York City is pretty much crushing it as well.

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  247. “That’s why people are dreaming of escaping to Charleston, SC”

    Why are they dreaming? Have a car? Get in it and drive down there. Sign up for a new drivers license. Viola!

    This is America. No one is making you live anywhere unless you’re in prison. I don’t understand why people complain about where they live or the weather or anything. Hawaii is right there. You can go tomorrow. There are jobs there. Same with Florida. Same with Arizona. Why live in Berwyn? Why live in Lockport? Why not live in Denver? Or Seattle?

    Freedom is a great thing. No one is keeping you anywhere. Heck, unless you’re a Native American, somehow your ancestor managed to cross an ocean or long distance to get here.

    And you’re not brave enough to up and move to, gasp, Charleston???

    Shame.

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  248. “Tone, it matters because NY and CA would determine every Presidential election. As HD, pointed out, Hillary only won popular vote because of CA. The reason we have an electoral college is so that our elections are not determined by a handful of very populous cities.”

    No. Not true as I said above. She didn’t win the popular vote “only” because of CA.

    Let’s look at the last Republican victory, George W Bush in 2004 over Kerry.

    California
    Kerry: 6,745,485
    Bush: 5,509,826
    Kerry gained 1,235,659

    New York
    Bush: 2,962,565
    Kerry: 4,314,280
    Kerry gained 1,351,715

    Texas
    Bush: 4,526,917
    Kerry: 2,832,704
    Bush gained 1,694,213

    Yet Bush won popular vote 62,040,610 to Kerry’s 59,628,444.

    In 2016:

    California
    Clinton: 8,753,788
    Trump: 4,483,810
    Clinton gained: 4,269,978

    New York
    Clinton: 4,547,218
    Trump: 2,814,316
    Clinton gained: 1,732,902

    Texas
    Clinton: 3,877,868
    Trump: 4,685,047
    Trump gained by 807,179

    Clinton won popular vote 65,788,583 to 62,955,363. Just looking at those three states, Hillary should have won the popular vote by even “more” than the 2.6 million she won if California was all that mattered.

    You can’t just strip out one state and say that’s the “only” reason she won the popular vote. It doesn’t work like that.

    Here are the number of vote victories by the Republicans in Texas:

    2004: Bush won by 1,694,213
    2012: Romney won by 1,261,719
    2016: Trump won by 807,179

    So you could also argue that Hillary only won the popular vote because of Texas (i.e. Trump’s failure there – or Hillary’s tremendous 460,000 vote gain versus Obama.)

    No one is talking about it, but Hillary’s complete dominance in California (look at what it was in 2000 and 2004 compared to 2016. The Republicans were still “in” it in 2000 and 2004) and her narrowing of the margin in Texas (she gained 800,000 votes compared to native son Bush’s win in 2004) was huge. She won every major city in Texas and one suburb of Austin.

    It will only be one, maybe two, election cycles before you could see a Democratic corridor of counties stretching from San Antonio to Austin going all blue. The ones that went red in between San Antonio and Austin didn’t go red by large margins.

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  249. “the origins of the property business lie in the land in London that came into the Grosvenor family in 1677 with the marriage of Mary Davies and Sir Thomas Grosvenor”

    Yes. Her family had the land as her dowry, like I said. They got the land and in exchange, she became the wife of an aristocrat. She had three kids and left him. Her family tried to get the marriage contract annulled, without any luck.

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  250. “Outside of the city limits in the suburbs and into the exurbs it was as red as you could ever imagine.”

    I think Tone proved this is very, very wrong.

    Like I said- the “red v blue” thing is really the city (and their immediate suburbs) versus the rural areas. Even Birmingham Alabama voted for Hillary. There are obviously different job opportunities in the cities versus the rural areas.

    Interestingly enough, in Illinois, Peoria and some surrounding areas all voted Hillary as well. I’m assuming that’s because of the global nature of Caterpillar and some other businesses in that area.

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  251. “So, where are we today? LOL, see up top, on this thread, you hear everyone talking about the Carolinas. Why? Because now ALL major urban areas are the same, these so-called indistinguishable Bluetopias with high crime rates, heavy taxation, bad schools(!), and lower qualities of life.

    So, in 20 more years when everyone will have soured on Charleston or Charlotte, then what? I guess the USA is big enough we can all move around endlessly.”

    But Charleston and Charlotte both voted for Hillary too. As did Savannah. They must be blue crapholes.

    Oklahoma City voted for Trump. You can move there.

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  252. “Why are we comparing Trump to Sam Zell? To once again illustrate how much more successful on every level Trump is than a Sam Zell.”

    But no one brought him up except you. So why would we need to illustrate how much more successful Trump is on every level? No one said anything about Zell.

    By the way, since you brought it up, Sam Zell’s net worth is WAY higher than Trump’s. He’s a true billionaire. Worth close to $5 billion.

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  253. Sabrina said:

    “So- let me get this straight. If you voted for HRC:
    Either you’re super educated (at “liberal” universities) OR you’re poor.
    That must be why 83% of voters in Chicago voted for HRC. I guess only 17% are middle class???”

    Sure, I’ll bite. That wasn’t exactly what I said, and since you paraphrased and deduced incorrectly; I’ll try to explain. I was responding to a comment about how Trump supporters are not known for their brains. While I admit I haven’t done enough research to refute your percentages, now that you mention it, my hypothesis doesn’t seem that far fetched. If the Chicago median household income is under $50K, that’s a large % of poor families. Approx 25% are in poverty alone. 35% of people over 25 yrs old have a college degree. For the record, you can be poor and an overly educated liberal, the two are not mutually exclusive- just go to any poetry slam, hang out in any West Town Starbucks or check out your nearest bar full of millennials.

    It seems every other Starbucks you’ll find your latest Ivy League grad making coffee or looking for a nanny job. While not intended to be a slam on your personal beliefs, it seems liberal universities brainwash, bait and then play on students emotions rather than teaching them sensibilities past their emotions on what’s really important when running the country.

    There is too much coddling and being overly PC. So, yes, after you get rid of all of the highly charged emotional voters (overly educated brainwashed liberals) and the poor voters, it would make sense that almost 20% of the voters in Chicago didn’t think that HRC was their candidate (even if DT wasn’t theirs either). I have bigger fish to fry than the nonsense and spin that the media has trumped up about our next President. As far as areas like Berwyn, Schaumburg, etc–I have no idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it had a lot to do with unions, construction, or a smattering of overly brainwashed Huff Post reading sheep.

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  254. “Again- it’s shocking how much hatred you have HH. The bitterness and anger is astounding. So ugly.”

    LOL. You’re bitter and angry, Democrats in the minority in US Senate and US House and Governerships and state houses and senates too. Because people cannot stand your views.

    You do not live in reality. Good luck with Keith Ellison and your crazed circular firing squad of racist identity bigots.

    Being an anti-white racist is a losing proposition in the USA. You’re on the wrong side of history and always will be. People like America. People come here because it’s not Mexico or every other craphole. If the US does succumb, it’s because of the likes of you.

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  255. There are common themes that run through elections – and the last 3 elections in particular. Politicians sell Hope and Change – just different brands. It’s a very appealing notion. Also, they tell a story of “Someone else is causing your problems and the government is going to fix it.” And to bring it back to real estate…it’s actually like how real estate agents get clients: the politician that tells the best story wins – not necessarily the best qualified.

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  256. Gary: “It’s better to be the First Child, the Second Spouse, and the Third Realtor”.

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  257. The fact of the matter is, all other things being even, take all the California nutjobs out of the vote count (And lord knows they want to be too) and Trump won the popular vote in a competitive race.

    Of course, that’s not how we decide elections, but it’s the truth. HRC won California but such a large margin and it casts a shadow on her ‘win’ for the entire popular vote.

    Reminds me a bit of the 2006 Bears. HRC’s California win is a bit like the Bears easy 2006 schedule on their way to the superbowl. If the Bears had a more a slightly more difficult schedule, they would have never made the superbowl. If Hilary Cliton didn’t have her own 2006 Bears schedule i.e. California’s 4,000,000+ vote margin in her favor, she would have never of won the popular vote.

    And yet, she still lost the majority of the states. It’s hard to take, I konw. I’ve read every post-mortem I can find of the (D) since the election and it’s the same tone in every one of them. It’s OK, the country will be great again, and maybe, just maybe, you will recognize this and give a vote to Trump in 2020 on his way to his electoral college blow out.

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  258. Hillary lost because she was a horrible candidate and made the strategic blunder of assuming she had WI, MI, PA, and OH in the bag. Her campaign ignored the concerns of the lower middle class blue collar worker and it cost her the election. These voters put Obama in office twice. Your typical middle America union worker.

    Trump had a message that resonated with these voters. He recognized they were being ignored and there was enough of them to sway the election in those swing states.

    Hillary’s loss had nothing to do with a whitelash, Comey, Russia, fake news, or anything else the left keeps coming up with to justify the loss. Hillary believed she was owed the Presidency.

    She lost the primary in 2008 to an unknown and little qualified black guy who should have been carrying their bags and getting coffee according to Bill Clinton. She took one for the team and thought 2016 was owed to her given how much the DNC rigged the primary and kept out other contenders.

    In all fairness, this election was supposed to be the Jeb & Hillary show, but the Republicans never planned for Trump. Unlike the DNC though, the Republicans didn’t quite rig their primaries enough…

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  259. “Your Federalist .com link contains it:”

    You claimed it was the MAIN complaint.

    And it didn’t make that list of 10 things as a complaint–it’s under “collectivism”.

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  260. “Her family had the land as her dowry, like I said”

    No, you said the Grosvenor family acquired it:

    “thanks to purchases years and years ago”

    and then turned insulting when it was pointed out that that was a misapprehension.

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  261. How about this for delusional Trumpists

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/13/man-who-fired-shots-in-dc-pizza-parlor-expected-in-court.html

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  262. Here’s one for you Tone:

    Illinois loses more residents in 2016 than any other state.

    Illinois has lost more residents in 2016 than any other state, losing 37,508 people, which puts its population at the lowest its been in at least a decade, according to U.S. Census data released Tuesday.

    *****

    By almost every metric, Illinois’ population will continue to sharply decline in the coming years as more residents call it quits on the state they call home. The Tribune last year surveyed dozens of former residents who had fled within the past five years, and all offered their own list of reasons for doing so. Common reasons included high taxes, the state budget stalemate, crime, the unemployment rate and the weather.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-illinois-population-decline-met-20161220-story.html

    (behind a paywall)…

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  263. The low morale of this state is real, sure it might be booming for a select few, but overall, people are fleeing the state.

    95% of which (other than weather!) can be directly or indirectly attributed to (D) Mike Madigan and his liberal (D) politics. Illinois is a blue state hell hole. And people are fleeing.

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  264. Yep. I’ll be fleeing soon as I can, screw this place!

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  265. I want to move, but my family and friends are here. My job is here and pays well. I would seriously consider moving if I could work remotely from Phoenix. A Chicago salary in Phoenix would go a long way. As it is, their job market is generally worse than ours. I truly don’t know how Chicago or Illinois is surviving. We have the most corrupt politicians and insane taxes for which we get no benefit. We somehow still have held onto a slew of big businesses. It’s baffling.

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  266. Not surprising to see population loss. Have you traveled this state? It’s really depressing. Without Chicago it is no better than West Virginia.

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  267. “The fact of the matter is, all other things being even, take all the California nutjobs out of the vote count (And lord knows they want to be too) and Trump won the popular vote in a competitive race.”

    You cannot take out one state. That’s not how it works. But I’m tired of trying to save all of you from embarrassment.

    She won the popular vote because she nearly beat him in Texas. But I guess you can’t read.

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  268. “It’s OK, the country will be great again”

    This is where you are all wrong. We were already great. No need to be great “again.”

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  269. “Being an anti-white racist is a losing proposition in the USA.”

    No. YOU are on the wrong side, as the vote in Texas and California clearly showed. Every year the white vote grows smaller. Do the math. But you haven’t figured it out yet.

    There is nothing to “succumb” to. America is already great. It’s been so for over 200 years. Greatest diverse society in the world.

    So sorry you don’t see the greatness. So sad.

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  270. “As far as areas like Berwyn, Schaumburg, etc–I have no idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it had a lot to do with unions, construction, or a smattering of overly brainwashed Huff Post reading sheep.”

    According to the Election Board, Trump actually got the lowest vote of either a Democrat or Republican in the modern history of suburban cook county.

    The unions control DuPage County? That’s a first.

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  271. “I would seriously consider moving if I could work remotely from Phoenix.”

    Why Phoenix? Just curious. It’s usually not the first city most younger people mention.

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  272. No, you said the Grosvenor family acquired it:

    “thanks to purchases years and years ago”

    They DID purchase it. There was a contract. It was her land for his title. They just didn’t pay cash for it. I’m sure her giving him a certain number of children (male children, of course) was also included. I wonder what she claimed the breach was when she fled a few years later after giving him 3 kids?

    She ultimately lost the breach of contract case, obviously, which is why the family still has the land.

    This was a sophisticated transaction for the 1600s. Her family wasn’t messing around by having an actual contract.

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  273. “According to the Election Board, Trump actually got the lowest vote of either a Democrat or Republican in the modern history of suburban cook county.”

    Inner ring suburbs are crapholes filled with people on food stamps living in housing stock that nobody wants anymore. Of course these people hate Trump, they want “free stuff”. These burbs are filled with people too stupid to even know who Bernie Sanders is. I’d be surprised if any of them know American history at all. Alot of Sec. 8 moochers now too. If you have free housing and free food, guess what? You can sit around and watch Montel Williams all day, do some cheap drugs, and then go out and shoot up the neighborhood for your daily exercise.

    Go drive North Ave. west from Cicero Ave, all the way out to I-294. It’s like driving thru a third world city (not counting the area by River Forest and St. Vincent Ferrer).

    Calumet City, Harvey, Schiller Park,etc. are dumps with failing old strip malls with obsolete industrial buildings, and horrible schools.

    Streamwood, Lincolnwood, Hoffman Estates, Crestwood, Wheeling, etc. are turning into multi-culti mystery-meat suburbs with no American identity. The high schools are filled with kids that are educated by MTV, the mass media, and embrace gangbanger culture (clothers, morals, vocabulary, etc.).

    These people are so stupid they were the primary target of the “Trump is racist” propaganda spewed out by the Democrats and their rigged media (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) Even the Chicago Tribune/Sun-times/WTTW have gone full poz, loaded up with feminized beta male/homosexual columnists like Rex Huppke, bisexual (?) Richard Roeper, Eric Zorn (flagrant douce), Steve Chapman and Neil Steinberg. The poz outnumbers John Kass by 10 to 1 in this once great big-shouldered city.

    All you have to do is look at their faces and bodies (Huppke, Roeper et al): “Physiognomy is Real”, don’t doubt it for a second.

    “Not surprising to see population loss. Have you traveled this state? It’s really depressing. Without Chicago it is no better than West Virginia.”

    Go drive Archer Ave. or Grand Ave. out to Harlem Ave. Go drive Halsted south of the stockyards. Talk about craphole. Even Fullerton Ave, west from Western Ave. is lousy. Full of cellphone shops, laudromats, forlorn/empty protestant churches, etc.

    There have been more than 4,000 people wounded by gunfire in 2016. That doesn’t happen in WV, because the people are white.

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  274. “There have been more than 4,000 people wounded by gunfire in 2016. That doesn’t happen in WV, because the people are white.”

    So your point is that blacks are more likely to resort to gun violence than whites. I’m afraid that the data actually doesn’t support that theory. “Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
    Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).” http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

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  275. “Full of cellphone shops, laudromats, forlorn/empty protestant churches, etc.”

    If you add “pain clinics”, sounds like much of small town ‘murica that you hold so dear.

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  276. “Streamwood, Lincolnwood, Hoffman Estates, Crestwood, Wheeling, etc. are turning into multi-culti mystery-meat suburbs with no American identity.”

    And here’s what you don’t get: multi-culti mystery-meat IS the American identity!

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  277. I’ve come to the conclusion that alt-right’ers are like vegans: once you become one, that’s all you can talk about and absolutely everything you do is viewed through that lens.

    It’s like the joke: How do you know someone is vegan? Talk to them.

    Certainly every bit as obnoxious.

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  278. “Go drive Archer Ave. or Grand Ave. out to Harlem Ave. Go drive Halsted south of the stockyards. Talk about craphole. Even Fullerton Ave, west from Western Ave. is lousy. Full of cellphone shops, laudromats, forlorn/empty protestant churches, etc.”

    Just a question: why does helmethofer live here? Why live in ANY city? Why not live in the nirvana that is small town America?

    I don’t get it. I don’t get the anger and bitterness. Unless you’re in jail, you have choices.

    Do something about your situation! Move somewhere that makes you happy. Life is short.

    I don’t get it.

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  279. “Just a question: why does helmethofer live here?”

    Well, ISIS needs a recruiter on the ground, and harping on the supposed depravity of Chicago is a reasonable gambit.

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