What Will Happen to $10 Million+ Single Family Homes in 2018? 924 N. Clark in the Gold Coast

This 6-bedroom home at 924 N. Clark in the Gold Coast has been on and off the market since April 2015. (Sorry- I don’t have a good picture of this house.)

It’s been written up by the media because at one point in 2015 it was listed for $15 million, which puts it among the most expensive single family homes for sale in Chicago or the Chicagoland area.

Built on an extra large 51×151 lot, it has a 4 car attached garage and plenty of unique features including a pool house and an in-the-ground outdoor pool in the courtyard.

The house has 7 terraces as well as a roof deck and a solarium.

It has an atrium, skylights and a floating steel staircase.

The listing says it has a “top of the line kitchen” and it also has a second kitchen on the lower level.

It has custom lacquer cabinetry and a large gym.

The house also has 3 fireplaces.

Originally listed in April 2015 for $12.9 million, the price was raised in May of 2015 to $15 million and then lowered in March 2016 to $13.5 million.

It has seen priced reductions ever since to its current list price of $10.9 million.

With the stock market soaring and the largest corporate tax cut in history coming, will Chicago see a single family home sale over $10 million in 2018?

Emily Sachs Wong at @Properties has the listing. See the pictures here.

924 N. Clark: 6 bedrooms, 6 baths, 3 half baths, 15,000 square feet, 4 car garage

  • Sold in February 2008 for $3.75 million (per Zillow- as the CCRD was “down” yesterday)
  • Originally listed in April 2015 for $12.9 million
  • Raised in May 2015 to $15 million
  • Reduced
  • Re-listed in March 2016 for $13.5 million
  • Reduced several times
  • Currently listed at $10.9 million
  • Taxes of $168,742
  • Central Air
  • 3 fireplaces
  • 4 car attached garage
  • Bedroom #1: 41×15 (second level)
  • Bedroom #2: 15×14 (second level)
  • Bedroom #3: 18×14 (third level)
  • Bedroom #4: 16×13 (third level)
  • Bedroom #5: 17×16 (third level)
  • Bedroom #6: 17×14 (lower level)

 

158 Responses to “What Will Happen to $10 Million+ Single Family Homes in 2018? 924 N. Clark in the Gold Coast”

  1. Financial Information
    Tax: $168,742.30

    Gasp.

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  2. Financial Information
    Tax: $168,742.30

    Going to be very interesting next year to see what happens with Chicago area real estate with huge tax bills. I’m especially interested to see what happens in towns like Winnetka in the $1-2mm segment. Lot of older baby boomers who probably purchased those homes 20-30 years ago for a fraction of what theyre worth now and can no longer deduct their $25k or $30k tax bill. Will there be a flood of inventory on the market up there from Boomers expediting their move to Florida, etc?

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  3. The republican tax bill will only be around long. Democrats are going to take the house and the Senate next year.

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  4. Not be around long that is.

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  5. “The republican tax bill will only be around long. Democrats are going to take the house and the Senate next year.”

    that is a big “if.” and they wont control the White House until at least 2020.

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  6. Yeah I’d have a hard time affording this house if given to me for free!

    Guess I’ll just have to win the megamillions or something… and still not buy this house because I’d rather have a 2 million dollar place here and a 5 million dollar place in malibu and a 3 million dollar place in aspen

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  7. “The republican tax bill will only be around long. Democrats are going to take the house and the Senate next year.”

    There’s a reason this is the biggest bill to be past in 30 or so years and why there is a big rush to push it through. The proponents know that a perfect storm of GOP control of Congress and WH and much of the courts doesn’t come around often.

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  8. “Will there be a flood of inventory on the market up there from Boomers expediting their move to Florida, etc?”

    Yep

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  9. All I know is that us working stiffs are gonna get the shaft from the tax man… meanwhile people with FU money can have a few more percent of their income

    neat

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  10. “Will there be a flood of inventory on the market up there from Boomers expediting their move to Florida”

    There already is. If you think the bloodbath on the north shore is bad you should see the Connecticut and New Jersey suburbs of NYC, total carnage out there.

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  11. ^my anecdotal evidence; have friends and family all over that area, one has had their house on the market over 2 years, no interest. One sold their house for less than they paid for it in 1996! Both have homes in FL. Similar to here, if its not on a transit line it’s lost value. Nobody wants to live in an estate in the woods and have a 1.5 hour drive into the city and pay $25-30,000 in property taxes.

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  12. “There already is. If you think the bloodbath on the north shore is bad you should see the Connecticut and New Jersey suburbs of NYC, total carnage out there.”

    I cant speak to the high end but I follow RE inventory and prices up there fairly closely. Inventory below 1.25-1.5mm sucks. Not a lot available and what is available is 80-100 years old, small, and needs work. Sure, prices havent rebounded to peak levels in the <1.5mm segment but a blood bath it is not.

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  13. This is another great reason to be a renter. The city, county, state, CPS, and nearly every pension system is on the verge of bankruptcy. Why on earth would you want to be anchored down here knowing that we are one recession away from all of these entities entering default.

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  14. If democrats do retake all three branches of government in 2020, I’m skeptical that they’ll invest political capital in reducing taxes for the wealthy by increasing the mortgage deduction limit or making unlimited SALT deductions available again. That gives Republicans an easy talking point in 2022 (e.g., Democrats will cut taxes for their donors, but not the working man or woman). We’ll much more likely see straight tax rate increases on high incomes (e.g., back to 39.6% or higher, and starting at lower incomes) along with an increase in the corporate tax rate to 25 or 30% and some provisions to try to capture more corporate tax income. That’s going to increase the desire of high income people living in high tax states to retire early and head to Florida or wherever, putting more downward pressure on housing prices in CT, NJ, NY, and so forth.

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  15. Too many $1+ million homes for sale and not selling, particularly in suburbs, but too much inventory on north-side too. Expect a lot of disappointed sellers.

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  16. “people with FU money can have a few more percent of their income”

    aka your clients? so isn’t that good for you? or are your clients merely the comfortable set?

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  17. “Guess I’ll just have to win the megamillions or something… and still not buy this house because I’d rather have a 2 million dollar place here and a 5 million dollar place in malibu and a 3 million dollar place in aspen”

    If you’re going to dream, dream big. Why not have 10-25 million dollar places all over?

    THat seems like a big pain though. You need staff and then you need people to manage the staff and who manages the managers? I think I’d want the private jet and then just have someone to manage my travel lodgings.

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  18. “If democrats do retake all three branches of government in 2020, I’m skeptical that they’ll invest political capital in reducing taxes for the wealthy by increasing the mortgage deduction limit or making unlimited SALT deductions available again. That gives Republicans an easy talking point in 2022 (e.g., Democrats will cut taxes for their donors, but not the working man or woman). We’ll much more likely see straight tax rate increases on high incomes (e.g., back to 39.6% or higher, and starting at lower incomes) along with an increase in the corporate tax rate to 25 or 30% and some provisions to try to capture more corporate tax income. That’s going to increase the desire of high income people living in high tax states to retire early and head to Florida or wherever, putting more downward pressure on housing prices in CT, NJ, NY, and so forth.”

    regarding the SALT deductions, it appears that there may be some workaround here for high tax blue states. one of which being, dropping their state income tax rates to zero and jacking up the payroll tax, which will remain deductible, such that the states will take in the same amount of money.

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  19. @Keef: “but a blood bath it is not” Northern Jersey, Wayne County area, Morris county area, houses that $1million pre 2007 are selling for $600K-$700K now. Connecticut off the train lines, nothing moving. In both areas it has to be upgraded or newish and on a train line. Large 1acre+ plots languishing. Whats your definition of bloodbath?

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  20. “regarding the SALT deductions, it appears that there may be some workaround here for high tax blue states. one of which being, dropping their state income tax rates to zero and jacking up the payroll tax”

    Can you explain this more?

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  21. I’ve got a crazy idea on how to beat the property tax deduction removal. Form an LLC to hold title to you home. Then have the LLC rent the house to yourself. Since it is now an income producing investment property, you can deduct property taxes as an expense. Make sure the rent you LLC charge yourself as a person equates or is slightly higher than your total annual expenses. Viola! property tax deduction stays intact.

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  22. “If you’re going to dream, dream big. Why not have 10-25 million dollar places all over?”

    you missed the point… the point is why spend nearly 11 million on this place when I could have 3 desirable properties all over the US and still save a million bucks

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  23. “@Keef: “but a blood bath it is not” Northern Jersey, Wayne County area, Morris county area, houses that $1million pre 2007 are selling for $600K-$700K now. Connecticut off the train lines, nothing moving. In both areas it has to be upgraded or newish and on a train line. Large 1acre+ plots languishing. Whats your definition of bloodbath?”

    when, and why, did we start talking about NJ real estate?

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  24. ““regarding the SALT deductions, it appears that there may be some workaround here for high tax blue states. one of which being, dropping their state income tax rates to zero and jacking up the payroll tax”
    Can you explain this more?”

    Scroll down to Sec II-C in the below link. They explain ways for states to restructure their tax codes in that section. It is a report put out by several tax law professors from around the country.

    https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=158006120027098095073123121112098023022073004041071075072105105101111071002123066099004009106006041043008021120084090001124122027034008006040089029029018007113072073016004070107091013101125080009093005003086078116116019087127084067113081029078021074&EXT=pdf

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  25. The problem with the reporting on this tax bill is that all the reporting has been done by the TDS afflicted press and ‘fake news’ media, who can’t find a positive thing to say if it fell from the sky and hit them on the head. This tax bill is GOOD for most of america. A small percentage of rich america with high incomes in high tax states with high properties taxes will have to shell out a few more grand in income tax. nobody but elite liberals themselves feel sorry for the north shore liberal who in the 33% tax bracket can no longer deduct the full $20k real estate tax bill.

    Even so, the standard deduction jumps to $24,000 which offsets a good chunk of most people’s SALT taxes. if you’re paying more than $24,000 in tax, you’re making enough to pay more taxes. Again, no one in middle america with a 3/2 $250,000 home is going to feel sympathy for the elite liberal whining about losing tax deductions. I’m sure not, and I live in a blue area. I make a decent buck and live well within my means, with property taxes and a mortgage deduction well within the limits unaffected by this tax bil. Most people that are affected will have a few thousand dollars more a year in taxes at the 28% or 33% – or god forbid, the new 37% tax bracket.

    Much of america doesn’t pay taxes anyways – remember Romney’s 47% comment – probably half of whom vote (D) anyways. They’re going to get a larger standard deduction, a larger refundable tax credit and all the other free goodies from the other 53% of tax payers who foot the bill. This means tax refunds for the average american will be larger than ever next year!

    We also needed to cut the corporate tax rate. we have one of the highest rates in the world, and companies park money offshore specifically because of this. the trend of corporate inversions is a direct result of our high corporate tax rate. EVen 60 mins a few years ago – before trump – lamented the high corporate tax rate and the perverse effect it is having on america. Keep in mind the 20% tax rate is on money that has never been taxed in america because it is never reported as income in the US to begin with.

    but now, with trump in office, suddenly the talking point amount the elite liberals and charles the loser schumer is that the only rich corporate america will get the tax cut and they enjoy all the benefits of this bill. a few years ago, this is exactly what they wanted! I hate politics, such hypocrites, such a waste of time.

    The blood bath in the NE is a result of poor fiscal management – nearly all democrats – coupled with high state and property taxes and housing that’s too expensive for the average person.

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  26. “can no longer deduct their $25k or $30k tax bill.”

    That’s a good move. Why should high blue state taxes be deductible anyway?

    HD, you’re right. The Glencoe liberals are gnashing their teeth again at Trump. They can’t decide whether they hate him or love him, as he did move the American embassy to Jerusalem for them, but they still hate him because they can’t control him. Now, as in today, they want to take Obama’s Nobel peace prize away. Cognitive dissonance up there is extreme right now. Shrinks up there must be quite busy!

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  27. Regarding house prices, Chicago and Illinois are not deemed the best place to invest in high-end housing, because of taxes and the blue state politics which leads to deteriorating fiscal problems. Ever notice that people who own houses in Lake Forest have second homes in places like Lake Geneva or Naples, FL that are worth more than the Illinois properties?!!! IL will never be deemed a place to park money on a price per sf basis either. The Chinese and Saudis etc. mostly completely ignored Chicago on the last worldwide property investing binge. What does that tell you?

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  28. Also, don’t forget, this bill has the 20% deduction for all pass through income. It even applies to professional service corporations but specifically does not affect ‘rich’ pass through income because the deduction phases out at $157k for individuals and slightly more than that for households/couples.

    What does this mean? It means the UBER or LYFT driver just got a pay increase. The driver gets to deduct 20% of his non-wage income (or qualified business income) from being taxed – which should in most cases offset the punitive self-employment tax that most (but certainly not all) self-employed or pass-through income is subject to. have you heard this reported on in the news? Heck no – all you hear about is some 25 year old journalist who barely understands the world repeating talking points from a spreadsheet from Schumer’s office. If they actually thought about this – and i mean tried to understand the tax code – they would realize this is a win-win for everyone. Except top 5%’ers in blue states with high taxes. They get screwed. And they love taxes so much, they SHOULD pay more!

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  29. “The Chinese and Saudis etc. mostly completely ignored Chicago on the last worldwide property investing binge. What does that tell you?”

    What does it tell me? Chicago is much, much colder than London, NYC, Hong Kong, Toyko, or most other major cities? It’s not just about housing, it’s hard to recruit talent to work here too. Who wants to work in Chicago with the crappy 1 degree weather we are about to get when you can work in CA, NY or FL where it will not be 1 degree? The long term trend for chicago is bad. Maybe in my lifetime some of those exurbs will return to farmland, the soil out there is some of the best in the world.

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  30. Abuja, Nigeria is warm, but they didn’t invest there either.

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  31. Isn’t it property/state TAX AND Mortgage interest that we can’t deduct anymore? I would imagine a lot of folks in Illinois shell out more than 24k of those 3 combined

    or did they not get rid of the MI deduction?

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  32. “you missed the point… the point is why spend nearly 11 million on this place when I could have 3 desirable properties all over the US and still save a million bucks”

    you missed the point…the point is if you’re going to dream about having money, why not dream big enough to have three 10 million places and to find it hilarious someone would even mention saving a million bucks. as if that were even worth your time to think about…

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  33. Mortgage interest is still deductible up to a home mortgage of $750K. And I believe everyone is grandfathered in if you already own the home.

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  34. Why would you want three homes in the US? One is plenty. I’ll take a second home in Europe.

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  35. keef17, thanks, very interesting read.

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  36. “that is a big “if.”

    No it isn’t. Trump is has the worst approval ratings of any president ever after one year in office. The Democrats have a +10% advantage in congressional ballot polls. That is a landslide of historic levels. Doug Jones just won the Senate seat in Alabama, remember?

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  37. Keep dreaming Tone, keep dreaming! Landslide of epic proportions! D is defending 2/3rds of all senate seats up (and a number of D seats are trending purple now ie MN) and good luck in the house. You’ve lost 5 other special elections. The Alabama race was very very close and would have been lost but for Moore being a garbage candidate and the WaPo’s last minute smear campaign. The 35% approval number is about as reliable as the polls before the election that said Hillary is going to win. Every trump voter I know thinks he’s doing a fantastic job. Because he is. I have yet to meet one trump voter who would take back their vote. Trump is doing an amazing job among the people who voted for him. There’s plenty of email forwards and Facebook lists with the hundreds of accomplishments trump has done so far. Just like Obama, keep praying for hope and change!!

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  38. Back to the house. This is a converted Comed Substation. I wrote a blog post on it back when it first came on the market and it has a few more tidbits on the property and a video tour: http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/2014/11/chicagos-most-expensive-homes-the-14-mm-converted-substation-on-the-gold-coast/

    I find it interesting that they no longer reference the substation conversion. Maybe they felt it diminished the value.

    Also, the property taxes used to be a lot lower. I wonder if the assessor is smart enough to raise the assessed value when an owner lists their property for much more than it is assessed at? Kind hard to appeal a valuation that you set yourself.

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  39. CC’s hatefilled idiot posted “…The Chinese and Saudis etc. mostly completely ignored Chicago on the last worldwide property investing binge. What does that tell you?…” It confirms how little heil helmut (and his shivering little buddy hd) know about facts in the real world. Per Crain’s those Chinese RE investors who were completely ignoring Chicago somehow still spent $2.5 billion buying Chicago RE between 2015 and March of 2017. If ignorance is bliss herr hofer & hd are two ecstatic little cowboys (looking like Roy Moore riding Sassy)

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  40. More invented BS posted by hh: “Abuja, Nigeria is warm, but they didn’t invest there either.”

    I don’t know (or care) where Abuja is but Chinese investors are spending $5.8 billion (USD) building a hydro electric dam in Nigeria as part of Chinese plans to invest additional $40 billion in Nigeria. But when did facts matter to hh or hd?

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  41. HD, the polls were right in 2016. They said Clinton would win by 2-3%, which is exactly what happened. The VA Dems swept the whole state in an unprecedented route in November. Trump will lose in 2020, guaranteed. Unless he is removed from office or dies, both of which are decent probabilities.

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  42. Tone, I swear to god you people haven’t learned a thing. You live in this echo chamber that is HuffPo and MSNBC. You believe you live in a world where if you say something enough times, it becomes the truth. The media feels the same way – if they repeat that ‘net neutrality’ is good but the ‘Trump Tax’ plan is bad – this will become the truth. But in the real world, it doesn’t work that way, and people like you look like whiners and sore losers.

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  43. “I don’t know (or care) where Abuja is but Chinese investors are spending $5.8 billion (USD) building a hydro electric dam in Nigeria as part of Chinese plans to invest additional $40 billion in Nigeria. But when did facts matter to hh or hd?

    What the hell does a hydro electric dam in Nigeria have to do with Chinese investment in Chicago real estate? Nothing as far as I’m concerned, other than a line item in some economic spreadsheet called “foreign investment”

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  44. HD, if you think I should pay more in taxes by losing my major deductions, to fund this shameless transfer of wealth to the 1%, and you apparently do, then screw you chump.

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  45. “shameless transfer to the 1%”

    Not true, and;

    “then screw you chump.

    No one in America feels sorry for you being a ‘rich’ person. I sure as hell don’t. I’m actually ecstatic to see that you will be paying more tax.

    as for me? I’m probably ‘rich’ too but I live modestly and the $24,000 standard deduction with the expansion of the child tax credit more than offsets my loss of exemptions and deduction of SALT taxes. You’re the fool who bought a house in an area with taxes that are way too high. And if you can’t afford to pay a few thousand dollars more a year – which BTW is the real, unsubsidized cost of living in a high tax area, then you’ve got all sorts of other problems beyond this tax bill.

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  46. Let me repeat this again: NO ONE FEELS SORRY for fools who earn too much, pay too much tax and live in expensive homes (most likely at or beyond your means).

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  47. I’ll be getting a very nice tax cut but we’re top 1.5% household so no surprise. It’s just surprising to me that the lower middle class that barely scrapes by in rural America fall this crap. They will be screwed.

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  48. “But in the real world, it doesn’t work that way, and people like you look like whiners and sore losers.”

    But what’s the “real world”? The urban areas where most of the commenters on this site live? Or the town of 1000 people in downstate Illinois that is struggling with the opioid epidemic and lack of jobs?

    Is one “real” and the other “fake”?

    Shouldn’t we all hope the tax cuts help those in, what you are arguing HD is the “real world”?

    If the corporate tax cuts work as advertised, who will benefit? Heck all of us in the urban areas. This is where the vast majority of corporations are now located. It’s not going to help those in small towns or rural areas.

    Wasn’t this election supposed to be about them? If I decided not to listen to MSNBC, wouldn’t the WSJ tell me that we ignore the small towns at our peril?

    But that’s exactly what this bill does. It ignores those no one has been listening to for years. What a slap in the face for all who voted for Trump. In less than a year, he couldn’t even stand up for them. Let’s be honest, Ryan was NEVER for them. But Trump just let Ryan and the Congress run the show on this legislation.

    And now Comcast is giving out $1,000 bonuses. I hope some of those are in rural areas, right?

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  49. “and good luck in the house.”

    Dems don’t need “luck”. History will tell you what will happen. Every president loses seats in the midterms. Obama completely lost the House because the tea party organized a great ground game. It will not be any different in 2018 only this time it will be the pissed off women Democrats who organize. That organization ability was quite apparent in Alabama where a Democrat should NEVER have been in that race, even with a horrible candidate in Moore.

    Trump can consistently win about 30% of the vote. He has voters who will never turn on him. 25% of Republicans supported Nixon on the day he was resigning and walking to the helicopter to say goodbye. This was AFTER the tapes were released. It will be no different this time.

    But no candidate can win with just 30% of the vote. Especially not if the opposition is energized- as it is now. All the signs are there from the volunteers who drove 50 people to the polls in Alabama, to the turnout in a non-presidential election in Virginia. 200,000 more votes cast. That is huge.

    What is most shocking about all of this is that the Dems may take back the House with one of the best economies in 20 years. It’s pretty rare to throw the bums out with under 4% unemployment.

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  50. “Who wants to work in Chicago with the crappy 1 degree weather we are about to get when you can work in CA, NY or FL where it will not be 1 degree?”

    Um…the weather in NY is basically crappy too. Not quite as cold and less snow (so it’s ugly all winter.) Ugh.

    California, when it actually IS rainy season, is cold and dreary with seemingly many people believing they don’t need heat because it doesn’t get cold even though it’s 38 degrees at night (this is in NoCal.)

    Florida is lovely in the winter. But where am I working there? For decades everyone kept saying at some point the companies would go to Florida but it hasn’t happened. Why isn’t Amazon considering moving to Miami? It isn’t. Florida also has some of the worst public schools in the nation. That doesn’t help.

    So, yeah, more people have decided to live and work in the Chicagoland area than, in, say, the San Francisco Bay area. Weather be damned.

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  51. “The Chinese and Saudis etc. mostly completely ignored Chicago on the last worldwide property investing binge. What does that tell you?”

    Once again, HH doesn’t live here. If he did he would be able to basically see, from his “alleged” apartment building, the massive Wanda hotel/condo tower going up along the River. Bought and paid for with Chinese money.

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  52. “Ever notice that people who own houses in Lake Forest have second homes in places like Lake Geneva or Naples, FL that are worth more than the Illinois properties?!!!”

    Again- anyone who actually has lived in Chicago, allegedly, for the last 10 years, would easily know that Lake Geneva has been a vacation destination and second home location for Chicago elites for over a century. Doesn’t have anything to do with property values. It’s where they go to live their lives. Same with Naples, Sarasota, the Keys etc in Florida. Or Arizona. There’s a reason they call them “snowbirds” down there. Duh.

    Please HH. Talk about something you know about. Please. I beg of you. Quit talking about Chicago. It’s okay to not be from here. Why lie anymore? There are plenty of other posters on here who live in other cities.

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  53. What is a real unsubsidized cost of living? Illinois pays far more in federal taxes than it gets back. Not so with the vast majority of red states. I am subsidizing the poor people in West Virginia that think coal is going to come back because of Trump.

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  54. “They can’t decide whether they hate him or love him, as he did move the American embassy to Jerusalem for them, but they still hate him because they can’t control him.”

    He did??? Huh. Guess I missed that entire complex actually moving. Last I saw it wasn’t in Jerusalem and won’t be there for years and years (probably never.)

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  55. “This tax bill is GOOD for most of america.”

    What’s amazing to me, HD, is that no one did this, say, 30 years ago. Why the hell WERE corporations paying 38% average tax rate? My god. It was sooooo easy.

    You just change the law, lower it to 21% and viola, billions of dollars are created and everyone is happy. Free money to everyone! Look at all the money given away by corporations just today. $1,000 bonus to over 200,000 people at Comcast and AT&T. Higher wages at the big banks. Who will be next? There will be dozens, hundreds, thousands of other companies doing this.

    WTF took them decades to do this????

    Thank goodness for this Congress. They’re the only ones who figured this out.

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  56. By the way, Chicago had more cranes in 2017 downtown than any other city in America except Seattle.

    If we did that all without Chinese money, then we’re doing something right because that’s incredible.

    Chicago is booming right now. Look at what is happening in the Fulton Market neighborhood, for example.

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  57. “Since it is now an income producing investment property, you can deduct property taxes as an expense. Make sure the rent you LLC charge yourself as a person equates or is slightly higher than your total annual expenses.”

    That part is wrong tho, right? You have to pay your LLC *less* so that it suffers a loss that would qualify as an OI deduction, right? Otherwise, you’re just paying rent in after-tax dollars to an LLC that has zero income, which makes no diff, right?

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  58. Dems don’t need “luck”. History will tell you what will happen. Every president loses seats in the midterms. Obama completely lost the House because the tea party organized a great ground game. It will not be any different in 2018 only this time it will be the pissed off women Democrats who organize. That organization ability was quite apparent in Alabama where a Democrat should NEVER have been in that race, even with a horrible candidate in Moore.

    So women Democrats arent pissed at their own party for supporting an covering up the sexual harassers and predators in their own house? Just admit that you and your ilk are ok with their behaviors as long as they give you free stuff

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  59. HD appears to have his head so far up Trump’s fat ass it’s funny. Trump has a 49% approval in Alabama. A state he won by what 40%?

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  60. Looks like Trump’s primary voting base is dying off fast.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/amp/u-s-life-expectancy-falls-second-straight-year-drug-overdoses-n831676

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  61. I get that you’re trying to be funny, but racism and jokes about killing off classes of voters is NOT funny. It’s sick.

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  62. “Florida is lovely in the winter. But where am I working there? For decades everyone kept saying at some point the companies would go to Florida but it hasn’t happened. Why isn’t Amazon considering moving to Miami? It isn’t. Florida also has some of the worst public schools in the nation. That doesn’t help.”

    Many too big to fail banks have large operations in Florida

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  63. Wow, just looked at the final personal income tax rate changes. I’m looking at a $15,000+ savings in Federal Taxes!

    The vast of majority of Trump supporters won’t see anything though.

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  64. Sabrina, Chicago is definitely booming. According to the latest Census estimates, the City is gaining highly educated people at a fast pace, and now has the most highly educated population of the 7 largest US cities. The fastest growing income group in the City is the $100K+ household.

    The city is losing lower income and uneducated people that probably are net takers in terms of taxes.

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  65. Under current tax system, a big proportion of people in higher tax brackets pay under AMT, which does not allow deduction of property taxes or other SALT, or second home mortgages anyways. I make less than $200,000/year and I haven’t been able to deduct SALT for years. So I don’t see why the new elimabrkon of SALT deductions would stifle sales of high property tax homes. Also, I remember reading statistics of million plus priced homes having a large percentage of owners who carry no mortgage on the place. The higher the price, the higher the percentage of cash purchases. This makes sense as people who can afford really high-priced homes have enough money and don’t need to borrow. So capping the mortgage interest deduction at $750,000 is largely an academic exercise. The affected people will just opt to pay down to that amount. No skin off their backs. All in all, there is no down side to the new tax system as long as you are already rich!

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  66. Vissi d’arte, right. As I said, my family is going to do really well from this. It’s the coal miners in West Virginia that won’t even get table scraps.

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  67. Florida is a very strange state and an economic laggard. It has 20MM people and a GSP of $926MM. Illinois has 12.8MM people and a GSP of $796MM.

    It has a population 50% larger than Illinois but it’s economy is only 16% bigger.

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  68. “It’s the coal miners in West Virginia that won’t even get table scraps.”

    those people weren’t paying taxes anyway, and their standard deduction just doubled and they will also get more credits, what are you on?

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  69. They have no jobs sonies.

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  70. And they’re in the midst of a meth epidemic.

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  71. Trump doesn’t give a shit about them.

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  72. Sonies – the coal miners who have jobs actually make good money. It’s a high risk job, and pays accordingly. But they need to save as much as possible as the industry is dying. They’re the ones who really need their taxes lowered!

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  73. “Chicago had more cranes in 2017 downtown than any other city in America except Seattle.”

    Yes, but these are apt. rentals. not the $10+ million ownership units. Does anyone who posts here work in commercial RE construction lending? I’m actually amazed at the amount of lending that has gone into Chicago MF real estate. You’d have thought after the massive condo bust, the Corus Bank bankruptcy, etc. that only Steve Fifield and Belgravia were left standing.

    So, where did all this equity come from? There never were any actual rent comps that hit $4 psf which all the newer deals are predicated on. They won’t hit their proformas, which were underwritten very thin at 7% NOI return on cost, hoping to sell at a 5% cap.

    “Trump is has the worst approval ratings of any president ever after one year in office.”

    I don’t totally believe that. However, it is indeed true that the Jewish/LGBT/Bezos mass media still has enormous power and a voice. This small minority of people has unified to a screeching degree never before seen in American politics or journalism. So, yes, their dishonest and perfidious influence still seeps out into the minds of the soccer mom, working father, senior citizen, etc. who doesn’t really pay full attention.

    Yet Trump/Bannon took this kabal on already and beat them. So, I’d add about 5% back onto the reported approval numbers. The media is literally consumed with Trump and hating him. Rex Huppke at the Chicago Trib cannot spend one day or column without foaming at the mouth over him. He’s just one of thousands. Trump really irks these leftist urbane-types who live in small dwelling units, because Trump is the ultimate city dweller, a native New Yorker at the top of Manhattan who can eat at any 4 star foodie restaurant he wants.

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  74. “So, yes, their dishonest and perfidious influence still seeps out into the minds of the soccer mom, working father, senior citizen, etc. who doesn’t really pay full attention.”

    The “soccer mom” has been a democrat for 10 years now. Yawn.

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  75. The soccer moms in my neighborhood all pulled trump. That’s the myth the democrats want you to believe: all of your peers vote D and you should be shamed into voting D too. Doesn’t work and didn’t work. That’s the problem with identity politics telling people they should vote a certain way based on identity. Huge fail.

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  76. “Many too big to fail banks have large operations in Florida”

    Like who?

    Not a single big American bank is headquartered in Florida. Not Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Bank of America or JP Morgan. Those are the “too big to fail.” They have operations in every state and some foreign countries.

    What about the next tier? None of them are either. I’m thinking PNC, KeyCorp, Fifth Third Bank.

    I’m sure there are some regional banks headquartered down there but, again, all the big banks decamped to Charlotte, they didn’t move to Florida. Why not? Why didn’t Boeing go there? Why didn’t ADM?

    There are a few who have left to go there but most have gone to Texas or Georgia if going south.

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  77. “Just admit that you and your ilk are ok with their behaviors as long as they give you free stuff”

    Both Conyers and Franken have resigned and will be out in just a week. Why aren’t the Republican congressmen who actually paid settlements to their victims doing the same?

    Huh.

    This is why women are pissed and vote Democrat.

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  78. “The soccer moms in my neighborhood all pulled trump.”

    The “soccer mom”, you may recall, was the Republican woman voter who lived in the suburbs in the 2000 and 2004 election.

    She disappeared by 2008, 2012 and she doesn’t exist in 2016 as the suburbs mostly turned blue. There was no reason for the Republicans to “win” her because they cannot do so. So the political consultants no longer even target that woman. She was the Baby Boomer mom NOT the Generation X mom. Generation X moms are all working AND trying to go to the soccer games.

    So, sure, there are still some suburban women voting Republican. Trump got 30% of the vote in suburban Cook County. He got 40% in DuPage to Hillary’s 53%. That was the first time a Democrat had won DuPage in decades, however.

    But the tide has turned against the Republican party now. It has “lost” urban women and minorities. In every major metropolitan area. You can’t win national elections with that. And, in 2016, they didn’t win. The people actually DID speak. They chose Clinton. But the electoral college chose otherwise.

    As I’ve said, the situation is the same in Texas. The suburban counties of those cities are turning blue at a rapid clip. It will be in play for the Democrats in 2020.

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  79. By the way, I’m busy with family events for Christmas so I’ll be posting sporadically. There will be one or two posts next week but that’s it.

    I’ll return in the new year with some new properties.

    I’m sure we’ll be chattering anyway.

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  80. “The “soccer mom” has been a democrat for 10 years now. Yawn.”

    Not quite. I agree that many white women are idiotic traitors. I said this before and it’s irrefutably true: jewish women don’t vote against Rahm, black women don’t vote against Obama, Latino women all voted for Chuy Garcia not that nutjob white masochist Fioretti despite his entire life of sucking up to non-whites (lol, he got 7% of the vote despite his efforts).

    The soccer mom, at least 1/2 of them, still understand what’s good for their husbands and sons and fathers and grandparents, etc. The PROBLEM is the feminists. These idiot white women have been sold down the river, they end up post-35 and they have no chance of getting married, they become bitter, but they never blame the people who put them in their position: the anti-white racists and homos who hate the family. The “pink hat” is the ultimate disgrace of any female, and anyone raising daughters better take notice otherwise their kids will end up alone and bitter…..and a fat slob.

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  81. HH, I would really like to understand what is going on inside your mind. Based on what you wrote above:
    You have no issue with non-white feminists. Just the white ones. Why is that?
    You don’t believe that feminists get married. I’m sure an easy search would prove otherwise.
    Anti-white racists put feminists in their position? Please explain that since it makes no sense.

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  82. HH, why do you uphold blind tribalism as a paragon of virtue? Blind tribalism is primitive, that’s all it is, and people should be free to vote for whoever the fuck they want. People in 2017 America should strive to be above that kind of conformist thinking.

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  83. HD and his silly anecdotes. I see you’re now up to your shoulders in Trumps giant ass.

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  84. HH, even Fox polls show Don the Con below 40%!

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  85. “The soccer moms in my neighborhood all pulled trump.”

    And they all hope you’ll leave your wife for them, too!

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  86. helmethofer on December 21st, 2017 at 11:40 pm
    The “pink hat” is the ultimate disgrace of any female, and anyone raising daughters better take notice otherwise their kids will end up alone and bitter…..and a fat slob.

    Which would make you, by comparison, the ultimate disgrace of a human being; projecting his own bitter loneliness onto others. Sad.

    HD and HF are in pure form today. Lol.

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  87. “The soccer moms in my neighborhood all pulled trump.”

    Looking at the vote results, it seems your neighborhood went for Kirk by about 7 point, and for Clinton by about the same margin.

    So, either not a lot of soccer moms, or the mom’s were pulling Trump, and the dad’s pulling Clinton.

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  88. “But the tide has turned against the Republican party now. It has “lost” urban women and minorities. In every major metropolitan area. You can’t win national elections with that. And, in 2016, they didn’t win. The people actually DID speak. They chose Clinton. But the electoral college chose otherwise”

    When did the Republican party ever have women and minorities? Repubs don’t need minorities to win. California chose Clinton, not the rest of the country. Without CA, Hillary did not win popular vote.

    Trump won because his message resonated with white blue collar workers. He won the election because he took states like PA, WI, MI, etc. States who were solidly blue under Obama. This is a demographic that Democrat elites have shunned.

    What are Democrats going to run on that is any different from previous campaigns that will have them take 2018? The economy is booming now. Raising Taxes? Who wants that? Illegal Immigration? People want a wall. All Democrats really have left is more identity politics. You can’t claim war on women when it is prominent Dem supporters getting caught actually grabbing pootang, not just talking about it.

    If anything with recent tax bill, people are going to start looking harder at their local government. Tax and spend policies are going to be a hard sell.

    Even in the People’s Republic of Oak Park we have people starting to protest over too liberal tax and spend policies and even social policy. People are flipping out over these $15k property tax bills and junkies dying in library bathrooms because the do gooders encourage them in the village.

    I’m not a huge GOP fan, but I am not seeing where Democrats are in a great position even with all of Trumps buffoonery and blunders.

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  89. Russ, the republican party has a 30% approval rating with Donnie barely higher. VA dems just swept the entire state in an unprecedented blowout. A Democrat won a Senate seat in Alabama, that hasn’t happened since 1986! The con artist won Alabama 65% to 35% and he now has only a 49% approval is that blood red state. The RNC just delivered a memo to the orange one saying how they expect to be blown out in 2018.

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  90. “Looking at the vote results, it seems your neighborhood went for Kirk by about 7 point, and for Clinton by about the same margin. ”

    Wrong neighborhood, bro. I live in pure red country these days, not even in IL anymore because my former state is a shit hole.

    As for HH, he is a moron. I don’t understand any of his rants, and I basically don’t even read them when I post here.

    Look, Chicago & Illinois are a shit hole. Illinois is about to lose 1 and maybe even 2 representatives due to our population loss. Illinois and Chicago are run by unrepentant identity politics democrats who’ve run the state into the ground. This is an undeniable fact. And you morons keep voting for the same people over and over again. And you too are unrepentant and would rather let the entire state burn down while complaining about Trump’s personality rather than actually do something useful to fix the state – like vote R. SO the state is in a downward spiral. This is undeniable. Sure there are pockets of nice areas and weather – heck, detriot has farmington hills and the grosse pointes but overall detriot is a dump. Have a happy holidays people in your dump while I enjoy living up north in god’s country. It’s deep red up here and well run.

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  91. Tone,

    You have a severe case of TDS. Go seek professional help. You are delusional. You read way too much HuffPo.

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  92. HD, I presented facts you posted an anecdote.

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  93. Elliot – Don’t associate me with HH, or else I may have to associate you with the kissy gropey senator from MN.

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  94. Tone,

    One of the side effects of TDS is the blurring of facts and opinion. It’s sad, progressive disease, a mental disorder really. I feel bad for people like you. I’m sure you feel the same way about me, so let’s just leave it at that. Except you really should go see a therapist for your TDS. It’s a real condition.

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  95. Sabrina talks like this every election, it didn’t work in 2012, nor did it in 2016, and guess what, the only reason we might see a change in 2018 is because that is what usually happens

    good post russ

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  96. “What are Democrats going to run on that is any different from previous campaigns that will have them take 2018? ”

    That’s why JB is freakin tone deaf (no pun intended tone). Some billionaire goes on TV running against Trump, not against Rauner; this billionaire (of inherited money) tell me he wants to raise MY taxes after the state just raised your taxes (With a huge backlash). Your state is in the midst of a tax payer revolt and this guy wants to raise taxes? because Trump? and his public option plan? What is this nonsense! The state is broke and he wants to spend more?

    Does this guy not realize that 101 out of 102 counties in Illinois voted Rauner? Quinn won 66/33 in cook county and that wasn’t enough to win the state. I’m glad JB is running in your state because he’s got no chance against Rauner. He’ll have to win cook county 90/10 to beat the lead rauner has in the rest of the state.

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  97. HD, you poor snowflake. Go find your safe space. You have yet to refute anything I’ve stated. But you know a few soccer mom’s that voted for Trump!

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  98. “I am not seeing where Democrats are in a great position”

    *IF* the D primary voters put up a bunch of “Doug Jones” type candidates, they’re in a great position.

    It’s far more likely that the D primary voter will say “Rs on the ropes, now we can nominate loonie lefties and win!” and that’s a loser in most senate races and almost all house races (that aren’t already solid, solid blue).

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  99. “Wrong neighborhood, bro.”

    No, it’s not. Look it up yourself.

    Or are you allergic to facts?

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  100. “the kissy gropey senator from MN”

    Elliot is on SNL??? Or is Dick Durbin????

    Is GoneFishing actually Al Franken?????

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  101. “the lead rauner has in the rest of the state.”

    Rauner won *mostly* bc Quinn was (and is) so awful. Quinn only got 72% of the D primary vote with Tio F’ing Hardiman as the only other option.

    If the R primary had been Ruaner v *only* Dillard, Dillard almost certainly would have won, and he would have handily beat Quinn, too. It was a “change” election, and ‘Generic R’ was the clear favorite.

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  102. My current ‘hood anon(tfo) PR was a short lived tenure. PR is too liberal for my tastes these days. I live in gods country these days up north. Red voting patterns and white snow everywhere. I live it.

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  103. fuckin cheesehead

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  104. “It’s far more likely that the D primary voter will say “Rs on the ropes, now we can nominate loonie lefties and win!” and that’s a loser in most senate races and almost all house races (that aren’t already solid, solid blue).”

    This. For as much as the GOP has moved right the left has gone much further. Centrist Dems are nearly extinct and their ranks will be even smaller after the 18 elections. Its funny seeing former Dem strongholds in the upper midwest turn from Solid Blue to Red/Purple

    And Russ’s post is excellent as well.

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  105. “Does this guy not realize that 101 out of 102 counties in Illinois voted Rauner?”

    Hey dipshit, counties don’t vote. People do. My god Trump supporters are fucking dumb.

    Sincerely,

    A Rauner supporter.

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  106. “fuckin cheesehead”
    hd is first & foremost IME an f’n liar so I don’t believe he’s anywhere other than Mt Prospect/Des Plaines/PR area. Living in Wisconsin would be poetic justice tho. WI state income tax for self claimed ‘wealthy’ hd is 6.27%-7.65%. Milw Journal Sentinel states “tax cut passed by the GOP Congress could have the unintended effect of raising state income taxes in Wisconsin..”

    Imo it’d be karmic payback for hd and other Wisconsinites who choose to blindly goose-step in line behind the supreme f’n liar, prez & would-be US czar, dt. Hey hd did you read Trib article about German company Drumpf’s Smart Factory showroom built in Hoffman Estates? I guess his family’s not actually from Sweden huh?

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  107. “Hey dipshit, counties don’t vote. People do. My god Trump supporters are fucking dumb.”

    Yeah, you lack reading comprehension and have the inability to see the forest for the trees….not going to waste anymore of my life arguing with a goof..

    “This. For as much as the GOP has moved right the left has gone much further. Centrist Dems are nearly extinct and their ranks will be even smaller after the 18 elections.”

    And they’ve all gotten older too. The stalwarts and leaders of the party are nearly old enough to be the great grandparents of today’s millennial. Hillary is 70, Biden is 75, Boxer is 80, Fienstein is 84 (yes, 84 years old!), Pelosi is 77, Waters is 89, Bernie is 77… Kamala Harris is ‘young’ at 53 years old

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/democratic-leadership-loo_b_13488586.html

    (My fav publication!)

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  108. Donnie looks like he may die tomorrow. Look at his blooated fat head, let alone his rotund body. Pelosi at least looks healthy. Sad trumpkins. Old rural people love the liar in chief. The young and the educated know better.

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  109. If healthy looks like a drunk with DT’s and way too much Botox/plastic surgery, you’re spot on

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  110. Tone,

    You’re like HH except a liberal instead of a conservative. Just as HH hates jews, you hate country folk; both you and HH hate fat people, and then you call anyone you disagree with a liar. Then, just like HH proclaims that his alt-right group knows best, you say that your particular group the young and the educated (code word for white Big Ten grads) know best.

    You are helmuthofer to the other extreme, you are just too ignorant to realize it.

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  111. hd, is the resident Kent Flake of CC. Resident Cuck. It’s more than likely the HD can’t lead his own woman and she negates his vote on every ballot. That’s really the point worth discussing: White women vote against the patterns of white men. No other group within our diversity/identity politics does this. If the GOP could figure these thots out, or lead better, then they could win even more than they are doing. But white women are led instead by a steady diet of junk TV, 50 Shades books, yoga, Starbucks, handbag brands, jewelry parties, meiomi pinot noir, feminism, breast cancer charity $cams, etc.

    White women, and idiots like Ivanka, are who doomed Roy Moore in AL. They could’ve given him the win, but chose not to in total opposition to their boyfriends, husbands, fathers, sons, nephews, etc. Only group in America that votes against their own families’ interests.

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  112. PS …and then these same women go off to their “careers” in liberalized kosher professions and get raped and harassed by the likes of the Harvey Weinsteins and Charlie Roses and Matt Lauers of the world. LOL. Suckers.

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  113. “White women, and idiots like Ivanka”

    Is Ivanka not white or not a woman???

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  114. Anon(tfo) you know exactly what he means when he refers to her. Why even bother asking what he means.

    And he’s also wrong about my wife’s voting patterns. I doubt my wife has ever punched for a D in her entire life other than rhams first and second election. She may have pulled a D primary ballot to vote against toddler Stroger. This among many things makes you a moron HH.

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  115. “Why even bother asking what he means.”

    Never forget.

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  116. “rhams … second election”

    Wait–I thought you had moved to Long Grove by March 2015. Y’all were voting in City elections while not even living in the county??

    Also: you’re saying she didn’t vote for Mayor the whole time she lived in Chicago until 2011?

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  117. “Wait–I thought you had moved to Long Grove by March 2015. Y’all were voting in City elections while not even living in the county??”

    – Forgot to register in the new jurisdiction, had to go back to old jurisdiction. its OK there’s a grandfather law about it somewhere, I heard about it on Twitter.

    “Also: you’re saying she didn’t vote for Mayor the whole time she lived in Chicago until 2011?”

    Why even bother punching the ballot pre-rahm? It’s not like there’s ever been a real mayoral contest in Chicago in my lifetime (other than Byrne and I was a wee-youngin then)…

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  118. ““Why even bother asking what he means.”

    Never forget.”

    Yes, but HH is an idiot, the fewer posts he makes, the better place the world is. No one is forgetting anything.

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  119. “No one is forgetting anything.”

    I like to understand the thought process, so I can hear the dog whistles.

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  120. “This among many things makes you a moron HH.”

    He doesn’t live in Chicago. He doesn’t understand how the politics works here. Don’t try and educate him. It’s not worth it.

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  121. “PS …and then these same women go off to their “careers” in liberalized kosher professions and get raped and harassed by the likes of the Harvey Weinsteins and Charlie Roses and Matt Lauers of the world. LOL. Suckers.”

    And the President too? He just grabs em by the pussy.

    “Careers” is in quotes?

    Tsk…tsk.

    HH, if you want us to believe that you’re, say, 30 and living in K2, you have to stop speaking like you’re a 70 year old. No millennial living in Chicago speaks like this. None. Nada.

    If you’re a lawyer, more than half your law school class was women. If you live in Illinois, you have a woman Senator. If you live in California, you have two. Heck, Dianne Feinstein has been in there so long, some people probably have ONLY known women Senators. When that happens, it gets accepted as the norm.

    If you’re a vet, more than 70% of those in vet school are women. Business school is still lagging but that’s a reflection of when you have to go back and get that degree (right in the middle of having kids.)

    The only solution to your scenario, HH, is for men to stay home and raise the children and allow the women to run everything. Then there’s no problem.

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  122. “White women vote against the patterns of white men.”

    Thank god. There’s sanity in this world.

    “White women, and idiots like Ivanka, are who doomed Roy Moore in AL”

    No. Black women doomed Roy Moore. And they will doom many other Republicans in 2018 as well.

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  123. “And they’ve all gotten older too. The stalwarts and leaders of the party are nearly old enough to be the great grandparents of today’s millennial. Hillary is 70, Biden is 75, Boxer is 80, Fienstein is 84 (yes, 84 years old!), Pelosi is 77, Waters is 89, Bernie is 77… Kamala Harris is ‘young’ at 53 years old.”

    The leadership is horribly old. They need to retire to make way for new blood. It’s normal and natural. But Trump is the oldest President ever. He’s not exactly letting the Ted Cruzes, Rubios or Paul Ryan move up on the Republican side either.

    The Dems have fielded 3 young presidents in the last 50 years. They have a history of going younger (i.e. Kennedy etc.)

    Centrist democrats haven’t gone away. They are living in cities as Independents now. But they’re voting Democratic because there are few moderate Republicans in the John McCain mold.

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  124. “It’s far more likely that the D primary voter will say “Rs on the ropes, now we can nominate loonie lefties and win!” and that’s a loser in most senate races and almost all house races (that aren’t already solid, solid blue).”

    Did this happen in Alabama?

    Nope.

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  125. “Sabrina talks like this every election, it didn’t work in 2012, nor did it in 2016, and guess what, the only reason we might see a change in 2018 is because that is what usually happens”

    Nope.

    2018 will be very similar to the mood in the country in 2010 when the tea party anger washed in a Republican house.

    Women are pissed. We will be marching again this month. By the thousands. All over the country.

    Thousands of women candidates are also running, most as Democrats.

    That is involvement. Same as what happened in Alabama. One woman drove more than 50 voters to the polls simply because she was pissed. That level of engagement just isn’t there on the other side (similar to 2010.) And it could be even worse for the Republicans if more indictments come down this year (which is expected) in the Russian probe.

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  126. “identity politics democrats who’ve run the state into the ground.”

    People who say this refuse to admit that the state has had more Republican governors than Democrats over the last 45 years. Yes, Madigan has been running the show but all of those governors could have done what Rauner has done and vetoed or refused to set the budget. But none of them had the guts. They spent just as much as the Democrats.

    The state wide pension problem didn’t just appear under Blago and Quinn. It started decades ago.

    Just a reminder:

    1977-1991: Jim Thompson (Republican)
    1991-1999: Jim Edgar (Republican)
    1999-2003: George Ryan (Republican)
    2003-2015: Blago and Pat Quinn (Democrat)
    2015- Bruce Rauner (Republican)

    Who ya going to blame???

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  127. “When did the Republican party ever have women and minorities?”

    Wow. Did you really say this???

    Hispanics have historically voted Republican, if for no other reason than the strong Catholic faith and abortion views of many. It’s why the Republicans controlled California’s governor mansion for decades. Not to mention Texas and Arizona.

    And soccer moms WERE Republican women voters. It’s why the Republican party dominated the suburbs of most major cities (and places like Orange County) for decades. It’s how Henry Hyde came into being in the Chicago suburbs. My god. What short term memories people have.

    It was only under Obama that the Chicago suburbs even voted Democratic, and he didn’t win all of them. In 2016, those suburbs turned even bluer. That would have been unthinkable in 2000 and 2004. Bush won all of those collar counties.

    If you don’t win those big population areas, or counties like Orange County in California, you are toast now. Too many people in that dense area.

    Democrats will run on keeping the Dreamers here (which over 80% of the country supports), comprehensive immigration reform, healthcare (no, the Dems aren’t going to cut Medicare). And if Paul Ryan really goes after entitlements, god bless him, then the Democrats will run on improving it and getting the corruption out (you know, like the people in the rural counties who are abusing social security disability because they don’t have any job prospects.)

    The shocking thing about Trump’s presidency are his low poll numbers even with the strong economy. He just makes people feel like shit even with the stock market soaring. It takes a special talent to do that.

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  128. “The soccer mom, at least 1/2 of them, still understand what’s good for their husbands and sons and fathers and grandparents, etc.”

    Reminder: The “soccer mom” was defined in 2000 and 2004 national elections as Republican women living in the suburbs. Most were working outside the home. They were married and had kids, hence, going to “soccer” games all the time.

    These have been lost to the Republican party now as is evidenced by the voting patterns in the last election and even in the recent special election in Alabama.

    And, by the way, those “moms” are now Millennials as the oldest Millennial is 36.

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  129. what are women pissed about? The awesome economy? Record stock market highs? Taking home more of their pay? Or are they angry about Le Drumph say meany thing?

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  130. what are women pissed about?

    Talk about teeing it up

    For the sake of discussion, I’m going to limit this to the Women Sabrina has described

    They actually spent money on Pink Pussy Hats

    Its Her Turn bumper stickers are fading

    Cats not being a valid IRS deduction

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  131. “what are women pissed about?”

    You’re kidding me, right? You’ve been under a rock for the past year?

    Clearly.

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  132. “what are women pissed about?”

    Again, you are a clueless man if I even have to answer this question.

    How about getting groped on the subway every damn day? Walking down the street after getting off the said subway with keys in the hand a block from home? How about STILL making 70% of men for the same job? How about being blocked from getting promotions because of your sex? How about putting up with men saying penis and pussy in the office? How about paying more for health insurance simply because we give birth? How about still not being able to buy real estate as a single woman without being asked who was providing the down payment when you’re a big firm lawyer?

    Come on. Wake up.

    Women are pissed. We need 60% to 70% of the House and Senate being women. Then we’ll be satisfied.

    Women are better leaders anyway.

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  133. “We need 60% to 70% of the House and Senate being women. Then we’ll be satisfied.
    Women are better leaders anyway.”

    You want to turn the United States of America into a Sweden? HD and southbound both might feel comfortable with that.

    I like all the female teachers who are having sex with 15 year olds, getting raped and harassed by their powerful jewish bosses, and all the pink-hat feminists who are fat single menopausal nutjobs who can’t own up to how their poor choices in life caused their sad fate.

    So, basically society has to deal with this dystopia. China is doing a moon-landing and we’re arguing about tranny bathrooms.

    Sabrina: I’m not 70, I’m red-pilled and young, and you have no idea what the younger generations really think of you sick baby-boomers and your screwed up lives. I live in Chicago and as the blog host you know this, but you lie to everyone. It shows.

    By the way, who is groping women on the subways? Blacks? Hispanics? I know it’s not Asian guys or white guys, although I think many are astonished at how perverted Jewish and white hipster beta males have proven to be, and how debauched the LGBT-pedo and Grindr crowd has been proven to be via #MeToo. How about that Baylor football team too, that was really bad. 52 rapes by one football team of blacks.

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  134. “In 2016, those suburbs turned even bluer. That would have been unthinkable in 2000 and 2004. Bush won all of those collar counties.”

    Demographic changes. Non-whites and anti-white racists usually vote Democrat. It’s simple as that. Replacement of the voters has already changed CA from a Reagan state to one that’s basically a copy of a Latin American city, with a rich elite and gripping poverty and homeless everywhere else. It’s no accident that Rahm and Garcetti are rich jews supported by elites and rich capitalists, and the rest of the city is impoverished. California has over 130,000 homeless people. Chicago has rich Obama-voters driving their Benzes right past homeless people every single day, on their way to some Bib gourmand restaurant. It’s such sick hypocrisy, on a scale that middle class republicans never approach. You cannot compare Nehlen to Rahm, for levels of hypocrisy Rahm and Garcetti win hands down.

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  135. “2018 will be very similar to the mood in the country in 2010 when the tea party anger washed in a Republican house. ”

    Except that in 2010 we were coming off a global recession, and people hated B. Hussein Obama – he hates america BTW.

    Roy Moore was a one off – the guy was a weirdo who basically won a small primary turnout in a special election, and his D opponent – who is basically a centrist R anyway – love him some gun rights – barely, just barely won. Luther Strange would have won hands down but for Bannon’s damn interference.

    Regardless, these same conversations get old. I’d rather bitch about IL and tell people how much I love my new home in northern WI. It’s fantastic up here in Vilas County year round. I live it. I close on summer homes, handle other probate matters. Lots of seasonal work. Great place to live.

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  136. How about getting groped on the subway every damn day? Walking down the street after getting off the said subway with keys in the hand a block from home? – How are these Trumps fault? Looks like you should be pissed at Rahm & the Dems in chicago

    How about STILL making 70% of men for the same job? – You have a link for this stat or did you make it up?

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  137. “How about getting groped on the subway every damn day? Walking down the street after getting off the said subway with keys in the hand a block from home? How about STILL making 70% of men for the same job? How about being blocked from getting promotions because of your sex? How about putting up with men saying penis and pussy in the office? How about paying more for health insurance simply because we give birth? How about still not being able to buy real estate as a single woman without being asked who was providing the down payment when you’re a big firm lawyer?
    Come on. Wake up.
    Women are pissed. We need 60% to 70% of the House and Senate being women. Then we’ll be satisfied.
    Women are better leaders anyway.”

    what a steaming pile of nonsense! The gender wage gap is a myth

    http://time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/

    read

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  138. “what a steaming pile of nonsense! The gender wage gap is a myth”

    Are you living it sonies?

    No?

    I didn’t think so.

    Women are still paid less. All. The. Time.

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  139. “How are these Trumps fault?”

    The President sets the tone for the country, as we’re seeing from the Wolff book where he calls women cunts. And he is appointing over 80% men to the federal bench when that’s not even close to the ratio of male versus female lawyers. It’s disgusting.

    Women are PISSED.

    But I consider this the last gasp of the sexist generation before they are retired or relegated to history.

    Sadly, I thought women were done fighting for their rights about 40 years ago. But you can’t take anything for granted. Women got complacent. We thought we only had to be competent and get the right degrees and all would be equal. But we were wrong.

    Like I said, women are better leaders. The entertainment industry is getting rid of its waste. The politicians, in both parties, need to be next.

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  140. “Except that in 2010 we were coming off a global recession, and people hated B. Hussein Obama – he hates america BTW.”

    Um…Obama’s approval ratings in 2010 weren’t anywhere close to Trump’s right now. He was actually personally popular but tea partiers were pissed about Obamacare and the increase to the deficit from the Great Recession bailouts. I get it.

    The point is- it’s the same conditions now (just flipped.) Hell, even the tax cuts are disliked by a vast majority of the country.

    And who is the most pissed? Not the Republicans, as we’ve seen in Virginia and Alabama. All the organizing and energy is on the Democrats side.

    And you lose all credibility when you say ANY American President “hates” the country.

    Really???

    That’s the best you have???

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  141. “Non-whites and anti-white racists usually vote Democrat.”

    They do?

    Then since whites are already the minority in states such as California, and soon will be country-wide, the Republicans will never win the Presidency ever again. Thanks for confirming what I’ve been saying HH.

    Oh- and California IS a Latin American city. It was Las Californias. LA was a pueblo. It’s real name is:
    El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula

    My god. You know NO American history.

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  142. “Chicago has rich Obama-voters driving their Benzes right past homeless people every single day, on their way to some Bib gourmand restaurant.”

    Says the man who claims he lives in K2 in the trendy River West neighborhood and eats at the counter at Aux Cheval?

    Ba ha ha ha ha ha!

    Really. Stop the charade that you live in Chicago.

    Just stop now.

    All the cities are rich now. That’s what’s happened over the last 25 years. They are rich, powerful and have the most educated population. And as they get richer and provide the opportunities, those smart and ambitious people will continue to move to them.

    And Trump and the Republicans just made them even richer with the tax cuts because that’s where most of the corporations are located and where they will spend their tax savings. If they were smart, they would have put incentives in the bill for businesses to actually open up that new factory in the rural areas. Perhaps giving those that do an even lower tax rate as incentive.

    But they pushed it through with little thought.

    What a shame and a missed opportunity.

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  143. “Sabrina: I’m not 70, I’m red-pilled and young, and you have no idea what the younger generations really think of you sick baby-boomers and your screwed up lives.”

    Yes. You’re 70. It’s okay. Really, it is.

    No young person talks like you. It’s just not even possible. You have a “history” of racism in every one of your posts. It’s SO obvious.

    And, again, if you actually lived in Chicago you would ride the subway here and you would know who rides it. Sigh. But you don’t live here.

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  144. “No young person talks like you.” I assume you are just trying to goad him. If not, take a look at the photos from Charlottesville. Not exactly 70 year olds.

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  145. “the Republicans will never win the Presidency ever again.”

    Yes, and we call a country with one party rule China or Mexico. Just like heaven!!!!

    I like you Sabrina, but this site has gotten to be so political and so less focused on real estate. And it’s mostly condos in the green zone. And when you do post something interesting outside the GZ, none of the chatterati seems to care except for a handful of posters. So many of the other interesting posters have left, clio, G, Zee, etc. Probably because the assholes dominate.

    I get attacked on a daily basis on this site, called a racist, called ignorant, everyone down votes my comments. I’ve had enough. I’m not on twitter (or facebook or any other social media) but posting any slightly to the right of center comment brings out the wrath of early stage Alzheimer middle aged men like Tone, HH and Southbound. It’s too much, too much for me. I’m not even that old to spending my valuable youth arguing with morons like Southbound probably close to twice my age.

    This has all become a huge waste of time for me. At this point, I’d rather spend my time learning ancient akkadian and translating untranslated texts into English. https://cdli.ucla.edu/ At least that would be a contribution to society rather than spending time here not even commenting on real estate.

    Things are a bit slower up here in Vilas County. It’s a lot colder too, but I’m ice fishing a lot more and spending more time with the family as we make friends. No need to follow the chicago market like I used to.

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  146. “So many of the other interesting posters have left, clio, G, Zee, etc. Probably because the assholes dominate.”

    No.

    People like to watch the train wreck. They don’t want to watch a booming housing market. It’s just not “fun” because they want to see the disaster. That’s true of EVERY market whether it be stocks, bonds, gold etc. When stocks crash, CNBC’s viewership soars. When stocks soar, their viewership doesn’t. Caveat that with a bubble market though. THEN everyone wants to talk about it (see Bitcoin right and stocks in 1999).

    This site actually has kept consistent readership for the last 3 to 4 years. Some of the regular posters have gone away because, as I’ve said, it’s not so much fun talking about a booming market with prices continuing to rise that isn’t a bubble. But there is a large audience that never posts any comments. They just read the site.

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  147. “If not, take a look at the photos from Charlottesville.”

    Yes. Young people. I didn’t say HH was a Nazi. He talks about Jews and Jesse Jackson like a 70 year old. As if he knows them and knows them being called derogatory names because that’s what used to happen in decades past. He’s not talking about them in the current context, as the Nazis/White Supremacists talk about race.

    That’s because his context is from his 70-years.

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  148. People like weird shit too. Those posts are the best.

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  149. “People like weird shit too. Those posts are the best.”

    ha!

    Yeah.

    I guess I have to look around for more weird stuff. Actually, that’s easier. It tends to stay on the market. Many properties are going under contract so fast it’s not worth it for me to try and cover it.

    Additionally, properties outside the GreenZone are low in inventory as well. It’s hard to find “good” properties to cover there. Those bungalows just aren’t weird enough.

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  150. “The President sets the tone for the country, as we’re seeing from the Wolff book where he calls women cunts. And he is appointing over 80% men to the federal bench when that’s not even close to the ratio of male versus female lawyers. It’s disgusting.”

    So you think it just started with Trump? No female was ever harassed prior to his election? Shouldn’t you be pissed with WJC for abusing his power in having sex with an intern and His wife who covered for him?

    Not a lawyer but the ratio you point out has little to do with Federal Appointees. A better metric would be looking at M/F from top 20 Law schools & > 50 years old.

    Additionally your issue with him not appointing females is a joke, as you’d complain about the female appointees he nominated.

    I’d still like a link to the stat you cited that shows women making 70% for the same job

    Its funny that you think Women should be pissed at the GOP when most of the issues you cite come from Dem dominated industries/Gov.

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  151. Regarding the weird stuff. I find the price discrepancies fascinating. The real estate market is mostly pretty efficient but quite frequently there are real anomalies. Like in my neighborhood – East Village – I see fairly comparable homes trade $200K apart with some regularity. I don’t get it. After the fact you could come up with some lame explanation but you would be hard pressed to predict it.

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  152. “Women are still paid less. All. The. Time.”

    No they aren’t! Ceteris paribus, why on earth would companies hire a man then? They enjoy flushing money down the toilet? They are just charitable and love stickin it to the women by paying a man more? GTFOOH with your brainwashed tripe, the wage gap is BULL SHIT. And was created by an ignorant politician to rile up feminist sheep like you.

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  153. “The President sets the tone for the country, as we’re seeing from the Wolff book where he calls women cunts. And he is appointing over 80% men to the federal bench when that’s not even close to the ratio of male versus female lawyers. It’s disgusting.
    Women are PISSED.”

    Too bad. Women cannot run a country. Sweden is the current best example of what happens when women run things. Yahoo had a terrible female CEO. Meg Whitman is a loser. Hillary Clinton is crooked and puts up with a misogynist rapist as a husband. Obama set the tone for the country, he promoted Ferguson racism which was very divisive and led to Chicago’s police having to back-off, and let the blacks continue to kill each other, with over 4,000 shootings in one year. Women are biologically designed as the weaker sex, and nature has evolved women’s best role as the bearing and raising of children.

    it’s laughable we have women crying and whining about jewish predators like Weinstein and Rose and Lauer (#MeToo), and at the same time proclaiming that women are fit for US military combat. Cognitive dissonance, reaching extremism.

    “And, again, if you actually lived in Chicago you would ride the subway here and you would know who rides it.”

    I do ride it, and I can tell you exactly when and not the cars are full on the Blue Line at the Grand Ave. stop, such that people heading outbound cannot even enter the car. Been to the new bar at Halsted and Grand that the Piccolo Sogno people opened across from Emmit’s? Yeah I live in Yuma, AZ.

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  154. “Women cannot run a country.” Can you please point us to your source for this? There have been plenty of female country leaders and I thought they were all pretty highly regarded: England, India, Israel, Germany, etc…

    “Meg Whitman is a loser” On what basis are you concluding this?

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  155. In Sabrina’s eyes because she’s a republithug

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  156. “Yeah I live in Yuma, AZ.”

    I never said you did. You just don’t live in Chicago. But keep trying…

    Milkster tells us she doesn’t live here. And she actually knows more about the city, since she’s a homeowner in it and visits often, than you do HH. It’s fine to post on this site if you don’t live here. The more the merrier. But it’s so obvious and clear you don’t. I don’t understand the charade.

    As I’ve said many times before, why would someone ever live in a city that they clearly despise? Life is too short. That person would be a moron. Unless they’re in jail, of course.

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  157. “Not a lawyer but the ratio you point out has little to do with Federal Appointees. A better metric would be looking at M/F from top 20 Law schools & > 50 years old.”

    All you have to do is look at the ratio of whom Obama appointed to the federal bench. What is happening now is DISGUSTING.

    And it’s not ages “over 50.” Gorsuch wasn’t over 50 when he was nominated. Plenty of these appointees in their 40s. And you’re going to tell me in the 1990s that the law schools weren’t 50/50? Um…they were. There are plenty women FCC chairman types (as that one great white male nominee was who had never tried a case and knew nothing about litigation was) that could be nominated all the same. But they’re not.

    It’s a disgrace.

    I’m surprised it’s just 80%. Why not go for 90%+ of white men?

    If you’re going to stuff the bench with those dudes, then really do it.

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  158. “That person would be a moron.”

    !nailedit

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