Vintage on the Outside, Modern on the Inside: 1923 N. Winchester in Bucktown
This 4-bedroom Bucktown house at 1923 N. Winchester looks like the vintage homes which were commonly built in the Bucktown neighborhood.
But the listing says that there was a large addition in 2007.
That has resulted in a modern interior sporting a main floor family room and multiple decks.
Built on a 24×125 lot, the house has a 2.5 car garage and the other modern amenities such as central air.
The bedrooms, however, are split with two on the second floor and two in the lower level.
The kitchen has granite counter tops and a kitchen island as well as stainless steel appliances.
The house has been reduced $50,000.
Jeff Lowe at Prudential Rubloff has the listing. See the pictures here.
1923 N. Winchester: 4 bedrooms, 3.5 baths, 2.5 car garage, 3800 square feet
- Sold in June 1989 for $191,978
- Sold in July 2003 for $630,000
- Originally listed in July 2010 for $899,000
- Reduced
- Currently listed for $849,000
- Taxes of $8581
- Central Air
- Bedroom #1: 16×13 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 18×13 (second floor)
- Bedroom #3: 22×17 (lower level)
- Bedroom #4: 16×10 (lower level)
- Family room: 19×18 (main level)
I like it a lot and when I think of 850k city properties its places like this.
nice place.
a bit off topic, but one question, re: “chef’s kitchen” — seems like i see this descriptor being tossed about more and more. and i see less and less impressive kitchens being labeled “chef’s kitchen”…this one seems a bit suspect.
any list of what’s required to be considered a chef’s kitchen? thoughts from others?
seems like this is a nice kitchen, but hardly unique. fairly dime a dozen. among other things, there’s no hood over the gas burners. wouldn’t that be a must?
anyway, other than this quibble, this place looks attractive to me…seems to stick out a bit from the crowd.
if you could close near $800 that’s pretty darn good i’d think.
OH: “any list of what’s required to be considered a chef’s kitchen?”
Balls enough to call your camp stove, ice chest and water filter a chef’s kitchen?
OH: “there’s no hood over the gas burners. wouldn’t that be a must? ”
Willing to wager that there’s a pop-up vent.
Bob: “I like it a lot and when I think of 850k city properties its places like this.”
Is this angry Bob, or another Bob? If the former, wha?!???
Me: That master bathroom looks tragic in the pic. Any chance it’s *really* that much of a stylistic mish-mash in real life?
always forget about the pop up vents. i need one of those.
That master bathroom is some M.C. Escher shit right there. Nice place though.
Oddly, my wife liked the photos. I don’t think she focused on the master bath. But we haven’t gotten around to looking at the place. It is on a full length lot, nice block, in Pulaski elem (for whatever that is worth), and no other big negatives I can think of (other than that it’s $850K for a big cottage). A little ways to the El, close to metra, which is not good for me personally.
heh I have that exact kitchen layout in my condo even with the island… these appliances and cabinets are a lot nicer though, even though the same color scheme
Okay the MBR needs work. But nothing some new tiles couldn’t fix.
“Is this angry Bob, or another Bob? If the former, wha?!???”
Bob’s happiness level is directly correlated with whether it is a weekend day, and if not, how close Bob is to the weekend. In fact it peaks around 6:30pm on Fridays.
Assuming 20% down and a 30 year fixed with a sales price of $795,000 the monthly payment is $3,985.01. Tempting but a bit more than I’m willing to spend for a nice SFH in the ‘green zone’.
actually nevermind my layout is far different, I have a single oven with the microwave and stove above that
we need a delete post function!
“In fact it peaks around 6:30pm on Fridays.”
6:30? I’m usually half in the bag by then.
“6:30? I’m usually half in the bag by then.”
My consumption rarely starts earlier: that’s when the killer Friday wristband deals kickoff. No point in eating an appetizer before going to the buffet!
“Oddly, my wife liked the photos.”
It’s only the bath pic that I have a strong neg reaction to. Well, and the pic with the mirror and the hallway of windows, which seems a space of dubious utility.
But … GatorDeck!
“Okay the MBR needs work. But nothing some new tiles couldn’t fix.”
I’m just shocked that this is what you expect when you think of $850k city houses. The location is nice and the pix do paint a quite nice image of the house, but it’s still a renovated cottage.
“It’s only the bath pic that I have a strong neg reaction to. Well, and the pic with the mirror and the hallway of windows, which seems a space of dubious utility.”
Yeah, I like a lot of the rest of it but can’t get over it being just big-ish cottage.
I really like this area, but to me this house is just short (cottage, I guess). For $850K, you can get a full 3-level house (no slanted ceilings upstairs) and usually 3 bedrooms up. I’m surprised how positive the comments are today on this property.
it’s a nice looking property and it’s hard to go wrong with classic room and board-esque furnishings. I think its pretty much unspoken that $850k is a cruel joke in todays market and it shows how NOT serious the seller is about moving his house. If this were my home I wouldn’t want to sell it either.
“I’m surprised how positive the comments are today on this property.”
“For $850K, you can get a full 3-level house (no slanted ceilings upstairs) and usually 3 bedrooms up.”
Yeah. see:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1816-W-Cortland-St-60622/home/21909599
Same 4/3.5, same price, same area, same lot size, 3 BRs up. *maybe* not quite as nicely finished, definitely not as nice a kitchen, but it looks a *lot* bigger.
DZ–what’s the negative on 1816?
I saw 1816 W. Cortland as well – looks nice and nice street. Some of the others I saw (and of course there are things that make them different but still comparable in my view):
2329 W. Medill ($839) (close to Western)
2021 N. Oakley ($824) (across from weird bar)
2040 W. Churchill ($809)
2319 W. Medill ($799) (close to Western)
2223 W. McLean ($760)
2332 W. McLean ($700)
So there are some negatives, but none of these places are cottages.
Wait… half of the living space is below grade? That means it’s worth 50% less than list.
“what’s the negative on 1816?”
Nothing major, just nothing compelling us to look at it. I do think of Cortland as somewhat of a through street, although it really isn’t that busy (and I do have my eye on 1900 N Wood a bit). Don’t really like the kitchen or bath. And my wife doesn’t like the generic exterior from the front. That is just about the only section of bucktown with full lots and that’s in pulaski (which we kinda have in mind), other than the portion north of armmitage, which gets too close to the kennedy. And it’s a hike to El from there.
“Some of the others I saw (and of course there are things that make them different but still comparable in my view):”
All on short lots (100′) except the one’s on Medill, which is (a) not nearly as nice a street and (b) far from most everything good about B’town other than Holstein and (c) too close to Western AND Fullerton AND the freeway.
I’m done trying to provide any comparables then. First, my opinion (I live closer to Holstein, so I’m biased), Second, I said there would be differences…To me, the 25 added feet don’t really mean that much if all you’ve done is build another 24×25 deck. AND note that the properties I cite to are $10-150K less…
“I do have my eye on 1900 N Wood”
*That* is awesome. Would totally live in that house, tho the outdoor space situ is a downer, esp w/o a park closer than Churchill or Walsh.
We looked at this house, as well as the cortland house that was mentioned (and other’s on Jon’s list). I really like the main floor of this one, but the rest would not have worked for us. The layout upstairs just wouldn’t work – the 2nd bedroom had the sloped ceiling so it would be hard to have more then 1 kid upstairs. What could have been enough space for a 3rd bedroom was made into 2 large walk in closets in the master. Its says it has 4 bedrooms, but really its 3 (2 up) plus a living space on the lower level. 1816 Cortland is on our short list if our condo ever sells. But my favorite in this area is still:
http://www.trulia.com/property/1087893554-2131-W-Dickens-Ave-Chicago-IL-60647
DZ – I lived at Winchester & Cortland for a year and I’ll second your ‘hike to the el’. While it’s not a mile or anything egregious, it’s just close enough that I would feel silly not taking the light rail to work. For some reason walking over to the Metra never crossed my mind; I simply hoped for a bus to come down Damen when it was snowing or cold.
“I’m done trying to provide any comparables then”
Don’t let me dissuade you; I’m just a lot size snob, living in a yurt on a quad-lot as I do (or am suspected to, or something–I lose track).
And, I agree, a 24×25 deck is a total waste of yard space–so much more you can do with it.
As to Holstein–it’s a great thing, but I’d much, much rather stay away from North or West (and, esp, N & W) of the Senior Citizen’s Park.
“Would totally live in that house, tho the outdoor space situ is a downer, esp w/o a park closer than Churchill or Walsh.”
Did you see the last pic? The outdoor space looks way better to me than the 15′ you usually get wedged between the house and the garage. (sidenote: you need a park closer than 4 blocks to you? to me that sounds like circling the parking lot at the gym for a close spot)
Jon –
We seem to be looking at most of the same properties – are you just starting your search? Or waiting to prices to drop some more?
We have a condo to sell and need prices to come down just a bit more on the ones we like best.
In the current market, does anyone think this place deserves a 35% increase in value just because the present owner lived there for 7 years?
“does anyone think this place deserves a 35% increase in value just because the present owner lived there for 7 years?”
The addition is the reason for the price increase – they did a ton of work.
“sidenote: you need a park closer than 4 blocks to you? to me that sounds like circling the parking lot at the gym for a close spot”
We have 3 playgrounds closer than that to our house/yurt, and two much larger/nicer ones about the same 4 blocks, so I’m just spoiled, I guess. Also, note that I’m not one to call 1000 meters to the el a “hike”; save the “circling the gym” insult for one of our hobbit-legged friends.
“Did you see the last pic?”
Yes, it’s a good use of camera angle and taken from the doorway. It’s the size of a standard front yard–vastly better than nothing, obviously.
AC-
We have a condo as well (in Bucktown) but have always wanted to upgrade to SFH. So I just keep my eyes open and when the right thing comes along at the right place we will put our place on the market. As bizarre as this sounds (because I would love a SFH), there are a lot of SFHs that I prefer our condo too because of the outdoor space that we have and the layout (open kitchen, duplex up, 3 real bedrooms…) We looked at a foreclosure on 2300 Belden that we really like but it would be a lot of work and there appears to be a mold issue. We don’t need a conventional layout (kids grown)or a school district so that’s a benefit. So – long answer short – looking for the right thing to come around for us.
AC,
Ok, so wouldn’t it seem that the “ton of work” that was done occurred between 89 and 03 in order to justify the $438,022 price difference? It says “large addition completed in ’07.” Maybe they built the deck in ’07?
“Ok, so wouldn’t it seem that the “ton of work” that was done occurred between 89 and 03 in order to justify the $438,022 price difference?”
Probably attributable to (1) Bucktown circa 1989 vs. Bucktown circa 2003, and (2) 2003 buyers in the area – bubble.
Yep – deck and addition were done in 2007. I still think it is overpriced because of not having 3 bedrooms up – but the main increase were the updates
The place in the neighborhood that I’m surprised hasn’t gone yet is 1934 W Wabansia. I liked the place across the street as well.
“Yes, it’s a good use of camera angle and taken from the doorway. It’s the size of a standard front yard–vastly better than nothing, obviously.”
I think there are two different outdoor spaces. It’s a Lucas home. he built a bunch in Bucktown/Wicker. I like the use of space in his homes, including outdoor space. Very usable for us. They are a little inhospitable to the outside/street, but I’m ok with that.
As for the EL, my wife makes me walk to Logan stop with her every morning when Calif would be much closer, so I guess I could live with it although I walk home from Calif. Metra is inconvenient for my office.
“We don’t need a conventional layout (kids grown)or a school district so that’s a benefit.”
Did you ever look at 1928 N Hoyne? Ended up at $670K. Layout killed it for us (every bedroom was on a different floor or half floor). But seemed nice for the price.
“I think there are two different outdoor spaces.”
I see that, but the second one is more about air/light for the house, and a place to put the grill than anything else–tho I recognize that they’re both more than adequate “adult” outdoor spaces.
re: 1934 W. Wabansia
Problem is that a million is a lot to spend for a 24×80 lot. (I know I just defended 100′ lots earlier)
“The place in the neighborhood that I’m surprised hasn’t gone yet is 1934 W Wabansia.”
Tiny lot, small BRs other than the master. And came to market *way* too high.
re: 1928 N. Hoyne
I did track that place, was on the market forever. For whatever reason, never really a fan of the place from the outside, but $670 was a deal for the buyer.
“the second one is more about air/light for the house, and a place to put the grill than anything else–tho I recognize that they’re both more than adequate “adult” outdoor spaces.”
I take your point, although if it’s big enough to stick an activity table or something, that’s not bad. The house must have a big footprint.
“$670 was a deal for the buyer”
Agreed. It was listing in mid $700K as a short sale when we looked at it. I think it really wasn’t in that bad shape but did not show well.
“if it’s big enough to stick an activity table or something, that’s not bad”
Until they’re ~5. Which was why I mentioned the lack of proximate parks. But the house is big enough to just turn the basement into kid-zone, I guess.
“I’m just shocked that this is what you expect when you think of $850k city houses. The location is nice and the pix do paint a quite nice image of the house, but it’s still a renovated cottage.”
yes and as a say, to the point i hate typing it, 800k takes you many places in this city, one would really have to “settle” for this house cause they really wanted to live in this 2 block radius.
*btw why do you guys always just look at comps in the 5 block radius of the place. expand your horizons man, expand your mind, expand your search.
“*btw why do you guys always just look at comps in the 5 block radius of the place. expand your horizons man, expand your mind, expand your search.”
C’mon, we know you hate B’town, but if there’s a part of the city that one wants to live in, for whatever reason, why should one consider other parts of the city?
Besides, are actually arguing that Old Norwood is a comp for B’town?
“why do you guys always just look at comps in the 5 block radius of the place. expand your horizons man, expand your mind, expand your search.”
In our situation, its about buying in a neighborhodd we know really well. If we are going to spend this kind of money we don’t want to risk not loving the area. I know whatever we buy next we’re going to be in for a long time, so we’re sticking to where we know we’ll be comfortable. That and I don’t want to give up my REALLY easy commute to work.
“Besides, are actually arguing that Old Norwood is a comp for B’town?”
yes
plus i hate bucktown and am waiting for one person to give me a viable explanation why bucktown commands LP pricing? cause we know its not because its by the lake, or because its in a good school district, or its diversity, ect.
AC,
valid point and i can get behind that, just saying the city is large and wonderful dont corner yourself in.
“Besides, are actually arguing that Old Norwood is a comp for B’town?”
“yes”
I’m completely in favor of considering a broad range of neighborhoods (not sure there are many we haven’t thought about) but when it comes down to whether a particular property is properly priced in the current market, how does some random place from another very different neighborhood help me?
Honestly, I think there’s a widely held view in Chicago that the paramount rule of real estate – location, location, location – does not apply. I know quite a few people who’ve purchased very nice, very large SFH’s in the $1 – $1.5 million range in the city. But they’re not in neighborhoods in which I’d want to spend any significant amount of time. These are people with 2 kids. Personally, if I had 2 (I’ve got 1), I’d rather have the $800k LP townhome discussed earlier today in another thread, much more than a $1 million dollar 5 bed in Bell or Blaine. (Actually, I’d try to score that rowhouse on Roslyn discussed a couple weeks back, then come up with a couple hundred for ren’s).
“how does some random place from another very different neighborhood help me?”
because your micro’ing your market. even if your set on a 3 block radius, you SHOULD know what else your hard earned money can get you. and we are not talking a Minnesota comp we are talking a 10-15min drive comp. if you looking in shytie bucktown, why cant you comp a OT/LP or Hyde park or evanston?
it crazy that in this era a person will research a TV harder than they do a home.
“we are talking a 10-15min drive comp.”
Dude, you spent the summer in LP, that IS a 5 block radius.
“Personally, if I had 2 (I’ve got 1), I’d rather have the $800k LP townhome discussed earlier today in another thread”
personally id rather have MLS 07614059 and call it a day. take the extra 400k for vacations and private HS.
“personally id rather have MLS 07614059 and call it a day. take the extra 400k for vacations and private HS.”
Gonna cost you $100k to get the addition done to fit in the 2d upstairs bath.
“Gonna cost you $100k to get the addition done to fit in the 2d upstairs bath”
but its the groove, and groove is ok with the 1 bath, and very easy to cut into the master sqft to add the second and not have to replumb.
DID YOU SEE THE FRONT VIEW THERE IS NO STREET!!!!!!
Love the area … finishes are nice, but a little haphazard … $775?
“DID YOU SEE THE FRONT VIEW THERE IS NO STREET!!!!!!”
Where do we park for the Groove-B-Q?
“DID YOU SEE THE FRONT VIEW THERE IS NO STREET!!!!!!”
That’s pretty cool. I’ve always liked 6203 Lundy on the other side but no street is pretty cool.
“Where do we park for the Groove-B-Q?”
IDK if you ever been in the area but over there street parking is EASY, yes you will have to walk maybe 5 or 6 house lengths but after the the food i feed you, you will need that extra walk fattie 🙂
“That’s pretty cool. I’ve always liked 6203 Lundy on the other side but no street is pretty cool.”
shhhhhhh DZ, we need to be quiet about that area, please. even if its prone to flooding.
“es you will have to walk maybe 5 or 6 house lengths”
But that’ll take over half an hour!! How could anyone be expected to walk so far?
“we need to be quiet about that area”
I’m not sure that’s what’s keeping prices down. Have you noticed how no one on here wants to move to norwood park etc. when you mention it? Everyone either lives or wants to live in the green zone (taken broadly) or Kworth.
“But that’ll take over half an hour!! How could anyone be expected to walk so far?”
and if i asked to come to my LP townhouse for the BBQ how would you get there? cant drive, no parking. cabs are expensive, and Clio wont be caught dead on a bus.
“Have you noticed how no one on here wants to move to norwood park etc. when you mention it? Everyone either lives or wants to live in the green zone”
yes and 80% of the posters here are suburban or ohioan transplants that dont even know cicero ave exists and once you cross roosevelt you will die. (unless your a urban adventurer in pilsen).
just take a look at where the OG chicagoans live that are on here, skeptic-avondale, JP3-will be in parkridge soon, anon-well NC is still green, SquareD-i think Logan, shit your in logan, groove-ghetto, old man-was a taylor street duke and is probably in berwyn now.
then look at all the “green zone” posters here are any of them OG chicagoans? bingo!
like i said before, i will take my NW side home enjoy all the same benifits as your greenzone, i will have a bigger yard better schools and pay 1/4 of the price and take better vacations than greenzone homies (and my vactions wont be funded by my HELOC like a greenzoner).
“and if i asked to come to my LP townhouse for the BBQ how would you get there? cant drive, no parking. cabs are expensive, and Clio wont be caught dead on a bus.”
Ride my bike down with Eric Rojas! Duh!
“Everyone either lives or wants to live in the green zone (taken broadly) or Kworth.”
Nope. I get laughed at on here when I post McMansions in Naperville (re: yesterday) at insane deals vs. city pricing.
I think a lot of the cribchatterers like to think they’re savvy and above mere status symbols, but actually I suspect otherwise.
They want the presumed exclusivity from living in the GZ or North Shore. And good for them: I won’t have them competing with me for those McMansions in the less desired non-exclusive places and it leaves more room in my budget for more wings at the local Hooters.
A place like Norwood Park isn’t appealing to me either: why get a suburban feel if I have to deal with all of the issues of CPS at some point down the line? If you’re gonna go suburban go big or go home, IMO.
Personally my calculus for Norwood / Oriole Parks are = it’s a suburb, just not in the burbs. But the character & lifestyle of the neighborhoods are more akin to the downtown areas of some western burbs. Both require Metra commutes to loop office jobs.
With that being the case (IMHO) I’d move to the burbs if I can’t stick in the green zone areas. I do look at the houses and areas you bring up but I can’t see actually living there for those reasons.
Wicker valid points, and they do pertain to your preferences
but not everyone works in the loop, and edgebrook or sauganash are wonderful areas to consider also in the city.
“Ride my bike down with Eric Rojas! Duh!”
good stuff anon 🙂
“why get a suburban feel if I have to deal with all of the issues of CPS at some point down the line? If you’re gonna go suburban go big or go home, IMO”
true but city employees need a place in the city, and the CPS over here are top 20 in the state and blah blah. its not burban but i will concede that OAK PARK is more Urban than norwood/edison
also wicker, the blue line is also a walkable option, metra is preferred for the nicer ride.
and again if loop commute is a concern Jeff Park has you 100% covered and with kings gyro’s your tummy is covered too 🙂
“but not everyone works in the loop”
I work in the loop and my SO in Indiana – if we worked in other areas I think we’d expand our search a lot more. Commute and daily drive time was a big part of our neighborhood choice – we’re both impatient commuters. Its the same reason we don’t want to live in LP – the traffic to the expressway was just a bit too much. I think a lot of people live where there commute would be reasonable.
“I work in the loop and my SO in Indiana – if we worked in other areas I think we’d expand our search a lot more”
have you looked into SL or hyde park for your SO sake?
“have you looked into SL or hyde park for your SO sake”
commute times are non peak hours – so as long as getting to the expressway is easy, it only takes 20-30 minutes. I don’t like SL – and as much as I like hyde park, I don’t feel like I can go outside the boundries and feel safe.
“commute times are non peak hours – so as long as getting to the expressway is easy, it only takes 20-30 minutes. I don’t like SL – and as much as I like hyde park, I don’t feel like I can go outside the boundries and feel safe.”
What about Roscoe Village then? It’s near the expressway and it’s not a bad commute to downtown.
Anon, Groove,
The funny thing is I will be riding my bike to a Lincoln Park townhome at The Pointe on Sunday.
Rode my bike to Roscoe Village today for a showing too (way over from Ravenswood… gasp!). Will have some photos up on the blog.
Bob, I agree, go suburbs go big! But, we didn’t go suburbs cuz they suck 🙂 Good friends of ours just sold 2100ish sq/ft Naperville house they owned for a good six years or so and bought a huge Naperville home with decent finishes for the burbs this summer. Nice deal.
We bought a huge bungalow for the same money in Ravenswood that needs a bit of work (cough)… would not trade places… ever.
on the subject property is just seems as if the LR and the Family room are duplicates of each other. Imho, in Chicago single family homes the upfront living room is wasted, non-used space, it ought to be converted into a small den/library, the kitchen moved up towards the front and the size of the family room maxed out.
just wanna say thanks to posters for civil and interesting posts on this great little house.
Green zone – big whoop. Bucktown is part of the HIP zone – and for a lot of urbanites of the yuppie/urban sophisticate/New Class demographic, that’s a lot more important.
And aren’t there a couple of magnet CPS schools around there by now to cater to the yuppies’ puppies?
Drummond is very popular.
Groove – im down with old norwood park, edition park, and some sauganash! They all could be an option. Just feel better about P.R. Schools being good for the next 15 to 20 years. Not sure on the others. The biggest issue is that many of the lots there are small. Sister and her family live in saug on a double lot home. Very pricy but nice for the kiddies!
According to this list: Norwood, Oriole Park, Edgebrook, and Edison elementary schools score higher than “Blaine” that all the GZ yuppie worship.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2010/Best-Elementary-Schools-City-of-Chicago/
Dan
Thanks for the stats. Makes me happy looking at that list as we currently live in skinner. Knew it was good but never thought it was 6th! Take that LP homeowners my west loop hood is knocking you onyour but….Maybe we will stay put forever and have an urban kid!
Surprised by the positive comments here– I like the neighborhood but not a fan of this place.
I’m with Brad on not wanting my place below grade (except for the man cave, of course).
And I find the finishes severely lacking– if it’s supposed to be modern inside, why all the unpainted wood molding? I would say it’s borderline chef kitch– does have double ovens and icemaker, but no red knobs. . .
Not to mention those bathrooms.
Not to mention you only have 2 beds and (per assessor) 2,015 sq ft above grade.
Though I do agree Drummond is a great magnet option, and what a sweet walk to school from here, assuming young Chad gets in. Pulaski’s become a solid option as well so at least for your $4k a month you know scholing is covered. . .
“Just feel better about P.R. Schools being good for the next 15 to 20 years”
jp3, cant fault you for that, parkridge schools are always soild. (some elms in certain areas slip at times)
the reason we never add PR to our list is we never like the people there we come across. and i stopped playing ball at the fitness center over on wester and touhy about 7 years ago cuz the DB’s that play there.
No doubt, there are plenty of db’s in PR. I have heard some stories about them in sauganash as well. Norwood and Edison park still seem to be mostly cool well adjusted people.
“I have heard some stories about them in sauganash as well”
ever notice why i rarely mention sauganash when hyping the NW? this is why.
also aldermanic planing there is a bit WTF, did you notice this summer that saugansh park playground was under construction and so was sauganash schools playground at the same time.
i found out the hard way when taking my son on a play date over there ended up having to go to the north park nature walk during high mosquito weather.
and again tonight proves my point we have second string receivers that cant run a route to save a life (our QBs life).
“According to this list: Norwood, Oriole Park, Edgebrook, and Edison elementary schools score higher than “Blaine” that all the GZ yuppie worship”
yep again more proof the the NW side is still the greatest place to raise a family! Screw you greenzone bastardz you can keep your “bike to wrigley” cuz the cubs suck anyway.
i will concide and thank you yuppies and your “boutique” store and brunch fetish gives wifey and i another reason to spend money 🙂
“bike to Wrigley”
Who wants to risk a “BUI” or death on the way home from a Cubs game. It’s downright scary to bike down Halsted, Clark, or Irving Park Road while stone sober.
No thanks, I’ll take a cab. Last game I went to I even scored some drunk guys town car for $25. Apparently some DB had rented the driver for the night and had gotten so drunk that he forgot about it took a taxi and then called the guy from home. I thought the story was “suspect” but drunk guy kept calling and demanding a refund. The driver was pretty cool and put him on speaker phone!
“Who wants to risk a “BUI” or death on the way home from a Cubs game. It’s downright scary to bike down Halsted, Clark, or Irving Park Road while stone sober.”
apparently one “Realtor” adds this ass a plus when “promoting” the green zone areas, and will provide personal examples its usage.
we now use “bike to wrigley” as a running joke here.
“Last game I went to I even scored some drunk guys town car for $25. Apparently some DB had rented…….”
and thats why i stopped going to cubs games voluntarily in 1995! its not the same experience i had growing up, wonderful burb and big ten transplants ruined to mystic of going to a game there.
“Thanks for the stats. Makes me happy looking at that list as we currently live in skinner. Knew it was good but never thought it was 6th! Take that LP homeowners my west loop hood is knocking you onyour but….Maybe we will stay put forever and have an urban kid!”
That’s Skinner as a *pure* test-in school. Yeah, I know it’s not, now, but there weren’t and neighborhood Ks or 1s taking tests to roll into that school.
Also, who “worships” Blaine? SoPo folks? (there’s the answer in itself) b/c I’ve never heard of anyone who would trade Lincoln or Bell for Blaine.
“It’s downright scary to bike down Halsted, Clark, or Irving Park Road while stone sober.””
Who rides down IPR (for more than a block or two)? If you live even at, say, Berteau and the river, why would you ride on IPR? That’s a horrible example–like asking why people live in Lincoln Park when Roseland is in the same city and so dangerous.
The sad, and really scary part, is that Clark and Halsted are supposedly bike routes. . . very sage advice to avoid all 3 of those streets, for cycling purposes.
And LOL at the Park Ridge potshots. . . I hate to hate, but couldn’t agree more. I call it Chicago’s Self Righteous Suburb. . .
Groove,
“Apparently” you’re really out of material when you mock riding a bike around the city. Wrigley has a nice, free bike check service when cycling to games.
Ridiculous.
I see people biking on Irving Park on a regular basis. It’s ridiculously dangerous and stupid to share the road with cars on a four lane road where everyone driving 45 mph ( I konw that’s not the official speed limit but that’s a fast road). Always take side streets.
However, the best way downtown on a bike is elston. Not much traffic, wide bike lane, and an empty parking lane in some portions, industrial for half the ride….. I see people biking on Milwaukee all the tiem (again very dangerous road with all the traffic / car doors opening / drunks / no ins. beater cars ) and I think WOW if you just went a few blocks thataway you could have such a nice enjoyable and safer ride…
“However, the best way downtown on a bike is elston.”
Isn’t this the best non-expressway route downtown by car as well from that part of the city, at least south of Fullerton? Elston to Milwaukee to whatever.
“I see people biking on Irving Park on a regular basis.”
East of the river? Because we’re talking GZ biking to Wrigley, not bike-commuters/serious-trainers/hipsters.
““Apparently” you’re really out of material when you mock riding a bike around the city. Wrigley has a nice, free bike check service when cycling to games”
no really i am not knocking biking in the city i truly believe in bikes and the millions of positives for doing it (more people NEED to do it).
i am mocking the use and marketing of “you should buy in this area because you can bike to wrigley” now that to me is funny. and “apparently” funny to others also 🙂
when high on your priority list when buying/renting a home is “being close to wrigley (so you bike there)” we have become lost as a society.
so besides the lake, i am waiting for when somebody can give me a valid reason why raising a family in ravenswood, lakeview, or LP is better than the NW side. I have not heard nor did i experience anything like a good reason. (and taking the kids back from the nanny and hoping on the bike to wrigley is not a valid reason)
re: 1928 N. Hoyne
I toured that house last year. It was a mess. Water damage by front and side windows. Furnace was haphazardly slapped in above the master bath. Wiring wasn’t done, plumbing wasn’t done.
It had a good floorplan and great light (being on a corner lot) but it would have taken some $ to finish and then you have to deal with the suspect build quality.
bui isnt all bad. when you crash it doesnt hurt as much.
I live right off addison and I’ve biked to wrigley dozens of times. It’s my preferred way to get there. I take pulaski to dakin, to grace to elston, back to grace, to california, to addison, back to grace after western, and then grace or waveland all the way to wrigley field.
I’ve seen some serious hipster dudes biking on irving west of the highway, quite regularly in fact.
“why raising a family in ravenswood, lakeview, or LP is better than the NW side”
volume of pretty girls is higher? comps keeps wife on her toes
“bui isnt all bad. when you crash it doesnt hurt as much.”
very, very true. At least until the next day.
“I’ve seen some serious hipster dudes biking on irving west of the highway, quite regularly in fact.”
Not the green zone, so irrelevant to my point. And your route to the park is evidence of the availability and desirability of alternative routes to IPR.
“so besides the lake, i am waiting for when somebody can give me a valid reason why raising a family in ravenswood, lakeview, or LP is better than the NW side.”
I live in the eastern-most part of ELP. I don’t know if you’ll consider any part of the following list a “valid reason” to raise a family there, but please consider a brief summary of my Sunday (yesterday):
1) Early Morning: Walked about 30 seconds from my door to the park (I crossed one street), and set out for a run along the lakefront.
2) Late Morning: Walked through the park to the zoo, where we hung out for about 45 minutes (when your kid’s at the zoo between 4 -7 days a week, you’re really don’t need to “make a day of it”).
3) Lunch: Grabbed some sandwiches/bagels on Clark and went back to the park, including a stroll around the newly completed south lagoon nature area. Stayed at a playground (near zoo) for another hour or so.
4) Early afternoon: Walked a different direction through the park out to the lake, and hung out on the new grassy area on the lakefront near Diversey Harbor (it had been under construction for quite a while).
5) Late Afternoon. Walked back into the park, and to a different playground (near North Pond; not the best playground, but try to beat the views/environment).
6) Dinner: Walked a couple blocks and had dinner at a place on Clark.
7) Post Dinner: Walked around the North Pond.
NOTE: I stopped at home between each of items 1 – 5 above.
That was yesterday, which was pretty nice. Saturday, which was pretty crappy weather, included visits to the Children’s Zoo, the Conservatory, and the Nature Museum.
On weekday mornings, I’ll either take my kid for a run through the zoo and on the lakefront, or we’ll play in the park and playgrounds (it helps to be about 30 seconds from the park, seeing as I’ve only got between 30-60 minutes to spare before getting ready for work). Same goes for the after-work early evening hours (and sometimes we’ve only got a half-hour of daylight/outside time left…if I had to walk 10 or 15 minutes to get there, we wouldn’t go to the park).
I suppose it’s a good thing that our kid spends most of her waking hours as described above; hopefully all that activity, stimulation, socializing and exercise will help her overcome the life-ruining disadvantage she’ll be at by attending Lincoln Elem!
Lastly, while no area is perfect, when it comes to places to live, I’ve had one general guideline (or goal, at least) throughout my adult life: try to live in a location that people go out of their way to visit when their time and finances permit, be it people from across the city, country or the world.
You forgot 8, anonny:
8) Smirk and have a smug laugh at Groove, who lives so far away it might as well be a suburb.
see that lastly part I see as negative. living in such an area I get tired of all the yahoo tourists. “let’s spend the weekend at a fancy hotel in sheee ka go and go shoppin at the GAP!…yeeehaw”
Living in a tourist zone provides an endless supply of losers to make fun of… that in itself is priceless
kudos sonies, taking my lemons and making lemonade
What’s class size for Bell and Blaine? 30? 35? 35+?
“What’s class size for Bell and Blaine? 30? 35? 35+?”
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2010/Best-Elementary-Schools-City-of-Chicago/
“What’s class size for Bell and Blaine? 30? 35? 35+?”
Mainly 26/27, with variation b/t class years.
thank you annony,
its a very great perspective and i enjoyed reading it. ELP is bay far the best example of a “good reason why”. the groove family experienced it this summer and came back with a, “it was fun but really dont see why”.
it was nice not making a “afternoon” of a visit to the zoo, and that is one great thing we never got tired of and when its outside your door you can experience it even more. and sometimes just grab a bench and some sandwiches was awesome waste of two hours just watching the little one cause trouble while taking in the view.
that aside, i found we ate out way to much and lost quality family time at the dinner table. i gained weight and little grooves food intake wasnt as high quality as we like.
the walking every was great, until a rainy day came then i would imagine the weather in the late fall and winter.
I did love a early morning WEEKDAY jog on the lake did one later morn jog on a weekend it was enough to make me never try that again.
and lets talk traffic, oh dear gosh!!!!! and i am not talking commute as that suct hairy ones it was the traffic to visit friends and family spread throughout the city and burbs. oh my you cant get out of LP with your sanity, and try to get back in!!! unless its past 7pm.
so besides the lake, and zoo i cannot fathom why i would spend 4-5 times the price of a home there.
everything other than the lake i do too. i just drive there and in the winter you will be envious that. and all the money i save on taxes and mortgage i can easily go to the same places and pay for valet.
and really everything that u described revolves around the lake, and for me take that out and what do you really have?
i have better park than OZ, and am there usually at the playground weather permitting each weekday and the two block walk home is the longest as i end up talking to neighbors way too long.
and on the weekends we get out of our hood to visit other areas and try new stuff, as most greenzoners rarely leave their hood and if they do, dont past western unless visiting their parents in palitine.
and like i said besides the lake, i dont see the appeal for the price you have to pay for “admission”. which is why wickerpark and bucktown have me laughing as their prices are at LP levels and the dont have they lakes or the schools.
Annony, i am not trying to rip on your post at all sorry if i am coming off like it, i thank you for your experience. just really want a good solid reason why i should pay that much to raise a family there.
“volume of pretty girls is higher? comps keeps wife on her toes”
CH, thank you bro the best reason ever!!!!!! i am sold!!!!! LOL
“Smirk and have a smug laugh at Groove, who lives so far away it might as well be a suburb.”
dont get me started dollar beer bob 🙂
“so besides the lake, and zoo i cannot fathom why i would spend 4-5 times the price of a home there.”
1. School. This includes proximity to private schools.
2. Very short commute downtown (obv., only if you work there).
3. Being around the same tribe of yups.
I know 2 & 3 are actually negatives to you, Groove, but that’s who bids up the price, and they place significant value on them.
“Mainly 26/27, with variation b/t class years.”
Those class size numbers are skewed. It is more like 30-32.
Anon’s pretty much knocked down the reasons that I’ll stay in Green Zone, with most likely ending up in LP or LS depending on the amount of space I feel I need. Bucktown / WP comes in third.
BTW Bob – WP’s starting to bring back cheaper drinks. The Southern has $3 beers (a selection but always Lone Star) every day, and Big Star is also following on that tip. It’s a refreshing change from the $5 PBR / Old Style route we were going, in addition to more Belgian ales being offered.
“Those class size numbers are skewed. It is more like 30-32.”
Okay, big tex, you know best from the ‘burbs. I guess you have your kids actually attending one of Bell/Blaine, instead of Sears?
“1. School. This includes proximity to private schools.
2. Very short commute downtown (obv., only if you work there).
3. Being around the same tribe of yups”
1. but if your sending little timmy to latin/parker would you send them by private driver or nanny anyways? would close proximity be that factor? IDK as i am not in that situ
2. im to lazy to look up the cta schedule but i think i can get to work from jeff park faster than a Ravenswood, or LP’er using brown line
3. and isnt that why the cheesy yups live in the city to have a urban feel they missed growing up?
but hey just because i dont understand doesn’t mean its wrong. to each is own and blah blah.
but i guess i still will wait for my valid reason i could wrap my simple brain around.
“Those class size numbers are skewed. It is more like 30-32.”
and tell me what school in the us doenst “juke” the numbers?
BTW i used “Juke the numbers” in a meeting today it was hilarious only to me and had to turn around and face the projector screen to hide my almost busting into laughter watching people try to figure out what i said. (its the small things that get us through the day)
“but if your sending little timmy to latin/parker would you send them by private driver or nanny anyways? would close proximity be that factor? IDK as i am not in that situ”
Makes it much easier to get there for all the fundraising events.
But seriously, I think it’s hard to overrate proximity to Elem school, at least. HS is a diff story, to me.
“im to lazy to look up the cta schedule but i think i can get to work from jeff park faster than a Ravenswood, or LP’er using brown line”
Talking ’bout ELP, like annonny was, and you were, cuz it’s not like R’wood is walking distance to the zoo, either.
“and isnt that why the cheesy yups live in the city to have a urban feel they missed growing up? ”
Like I said, you disagree. Many want like-minded neighbors, and LP-pod-people *are* pretty like-minded.
““Those class size numbers are skewed. It is more like 30-32.”
and tell me what school in the us doenst “juke” the numbers?”
Groove–I’m giving you a big whatever, man, too. Hard to juke when the actual number of students and classrooms can be counted from the school directory.
“volume of pretty girls is higher? comps keeps wife on her toes”
Haaaaaa, haaaaaaa….that was fricking funny! My tip is just make sure to marry the right woman at the start. I did and do not have anything to worry about. She will be awesome for years to come regardless where we live!
“But seriously, I think it’s hard to overrate proximity to Elem school, at least. HS is a diff story, to me.”
agree, i know my elem was 1 mile and 1 block from my house, as i tiny groove it was a LONG walk with those bags.
“Talking ’bout ELP, like annonny was, and you were, cuz it’s not like R’wood is walking distance to the zoo, either.”
my original rant was LV, Rwood, LP i think? but still from jeff park i would be quicker
“Many want like-minded neighbors, and LP-pod-people *are* pretty like-minded”
we all “really” want ‘like minded’ neighbors deep down. yuppie puppies just show it more
Groove
I can not believe it but the real reason to live in the city was missed by all other posters. My favorite benefit over living in the burbs is that while living in the city I will never have to mow a lawn or get caught up in the “who has the better lawn” conversation.
Hated it growing up and do not look forward to landscaping duties in the near future!
“Groove–I’m giving you a big whatever, man, too. Hard to juke when the actual number of students and classrooms can be counted from the school directory.”
dont quote me, but they have skeeeewededed the juking numbers by counting “specialty” teachers in said pupil to teacher numbers. say a 7th grade class X amount for students and X teachers some of theses students are in the “advance” or whatever you call it science class. now a +1 for the teacher column is added in that pupil to teacher ratio when in reality only 7-12 of those kids are actually in that class.
“dont quote me, but they have skeeeewededed the juking numbers by counting “specialty” teachers in said pupil to teacher numbers”
Dude, you’re missing my point–I can count the number of kids in each grade level, and the number of “homeroom” teachers for each class level and calculate that it is 26/27, for most grade levels (those that differ are mostly less, not more). JMM thinks he knows better from K’worth than I do from teh NC, and you take his side. Man.
Groove’s point applies to classroom sizes as well. Based on everything I have heard (yes we have friends in the city) it is low 30’s until the middle school years where is trends down a bit.
Re: Sears — it also draws from Wilmette and Winnetka in part, so it is not just Kenilworth.
Groove,
For once, like Donovan McNabb yesterday I decided to allow myself to take the obvious bait…this is for my fans.
“i am mocking the use and marketing of “you should buy in this area because you can bike to wrigley” now that to me is funny. and “apparently” funny to others also”
Glad your funny. Assuming I’m the “Realtor”, I’ve mentioned that I can ride to Wrigley among other places easily from where I live. That is one of many reasons I live here… to easily go to Cubs games almost anytime without driving or long commutes considering I own section 418, row 4 seats 5 and 6 for nights and weekends. I imagine others feel the same way.
I doubt I’ve been as myopic or transparent to say the reason someone SHOULD buy property in Ravenswood or “name your hood” is the easy ride to Wrigley. In fact, I’ve never said that or that any one reason is a good reason to live anywhere.
I’m with CH, Sonies and annony above when it comes to city locations. I guess some “readers” can keep a straight face and have a story about every single block, school, neighborhood, house, situation in the entire city. I talk about actually, physically riding to Wrigley easily from my house and I’m a joke.
Okay. Toys are packed up and I’m taking them home for the night.
Eric,
somewhere down the line our dynamic changed (probably my fault), you are one of the Realtors i respect (that says a lot) and i enjoy your posts, views on properties, and your insight on the market.
i still may disagree with somethings you say/believe but just know i still hold you in high regard.
I will still always believe that the NW side is a better place to raise a family in the city and for half the cost if not more.
Eric please except my apologies for changing the tone on our exchanges.
“JMM thinks he knows better from K’worth than I do from teh NC, and you take his side. Man.”
not taking his side but i assume all schools nation wide “juke stats” regardless of how high JMM’s perch is in K’worth.
you concur you in NC would and do know more about it than Professor JMM. but just look at Bell which is really three schools in one, and in the school report card you dont think the top of the three within Bell is “juking the stats”.
its like you argument about lincoln hs that their is a regular school, a double down school, and a IB test in program. the test in is what juke the stats for lincoln park high and even you said its a falsity to think its a good neighborhood school.
i will make a phone call later today and ask if the still play funny with the student teacher ratio.
Ahh the IB program. I harken back to the days when I would pick on those kids. Not being a large lad myself they were really the only available demographic for me to target. And I look forward to my kid(s) doing the same, likely to a lot of your guys kiddos!
😀
Know what having two HS diplomas gets you? A double-shift at McDonalds.
“i will make a phone call later today and ask if the still play funny with the student teacher ratio.”
Student/teacher ratio is different from classroom size.
And, notwithstanding what JMM’s friends tell him, I know *directly* that “it is low 30’s until the middle school years” just ain’t true at our CPS elem school. Maybe it’s true everywhere else–that’s for someone else to tell.
The whole IB/private/double honors etc high school stuff is so confusing. It was much easier for my parents: public or parochial in the burbs. I suppose if I went to the burbs I’d have the same decision.
“Student/teacher ratio is different from classroom size”
oh shyte, i have been arguing the wrong thing. HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA
JMM, Anon (tfo) is right class size is class size no juking there. how could one juke that? i would just be a bold face lie not a juke.
Groove: Yellow card, over use of juking.
“Living in a tourist zone provides an endless supply of losers to make fun of… that in itself is priceless”
That’s not entirely true. In places like San Francisco, the tourists (esp. the women) are better looking than the transient-wannabe loser people who actually move & live there!
I’m talking about chicago, nobody gives a shit about california (a soon to be failed state)
“(a soon to be failed state)”
I don’t think we’re at liberty to talk about our fiscal superiority much over the Golden State.
touche
“just ain’t true at our CPS elem school. Maybe it’s true everywhere else–that’s for someone else to tell”
i thought coonley was pushing 35 in the 6th and 7th grades?
“i thought coonley was pushing 35 in the 6th and 7th grades?”
Could be. But that ain’t with kids living within the attendance area. Also, that’s (1) the middle school years, when class-sizes look smaller from New Trier Township, and (2) not the age-bracket at that school that is well-regarded, and (3) exactly one example, and (4) class years where there is *one* “classroom” per grade level (there are 3 in each of k-3–I don’t know where they’ll put all the kids when the school is full).
“the middle school years, when class-sizes look smaller from New Trier Township”
nice digg i got a good chuckle
“not the age-bracket at that school that is well-regarded,”
i am not on top of it, but i will agree the rumor mill says lower grades are the ones showing improvement.
“class years where there is *one* “classroom” per grade level”
there are still schools that do it? i thought from first grade on it was uniformly 2 classes per grade for normal (non-overcrowded) schools?
“i thought from first grade on it was uniformly 2 classes per grade for normal (non-overcrowded) schools?”
Most places, yeah, as far as I know. But Coonley was a really de-populated school 5 years ago, so I think there just aren’t that many kids in the upper grades right now.
Groove,
Accepted… I’ll bring my stomp rocket back out and we can play.
I think some of the far northwest side hoods are good too. However, it’s not apples to apples and I think for the same money it takes to get into Norwood Park for a decent home for example (for my needs), I can actually get (and got) a great house walking distance to the action we prefer.
It’s hard to tell someone Edgebrook, North Shore, South Barrington et al suburb sucks or is not good to raise a family if you have the scratch. They are great places and I wish I’d have more clients looking there before the suburbs. But for the same money as some suburbs we looked at (Wilmette in particular) we got sick thinking of leaving Lincoln Square/Ravenswood and landed a house here.
Also, to get in the good attendance schools in an Edgebrook for an even baseline three bedroom house that you don’t need a shoe-horn for a family of 4-5, it’s expensive!
“But Coonley was a really de-populated school 5 years ago,”
i will say cooonley was never on my radar until i read you push it here. i asked around and now its on the list but not the short list. wifey wouldnt mind the move to NC and i wouldnt either its just the prices are not very *groovy.
*groovy=value per dollar
Eric,
I will concede that the NW is a tough sell for burb/big ten/out of state transplants. and will concede if you compare it to the burbs its a even tougher sell.
“However, it’s not apples to apples”
true as norwoods average lot size is 50×200 and rest of chicago standard is 25×125. us NW siders are back yard front lawn people 🙂
“Also, to get in the good attendance schools in an Edgebrook for an even baseline three bedroom house that you don’t need a shoe-horn for a family of 4-5, it’s expensive”
oh gosh yes once you pass kid number two edgebrook Will get expensive.
with size its all about the person i guess. The groove family is cut from a different cloth we are totally fine in our home (until kid #2). we have a well assessor says ~850sf two bedroom one bath home master bedroom is only a 11×11 and 2nd br is 10×9 and were a 100% fine with the size but will need a third bedroom soon. if it had a 3rd br we probably would just be happy to retire in it. as long as we have enough room to entertain and good sized back yard for BBQ’s and fun we are good.
ok i am under selling the size because there is a 100sf addition on the back, i converted the attic to a media room with dormers and a decked out storage area, i built a third bedroom/guestroom with a full bath in the basement. so i really dont count the basement area and the media room/family room is really only used to watch games, movies and we have our office up there.
plus i have a 50×125 lot
so the groove family doesnt need a full bath for each room, we dont need a front room and family room on the same floor, WE DO NEED BIGGER CLOSETS, but all else we prefer the chicago size homes.
“I will concede that the NW is a tough sell for burb/big ten/out of state transplants. and will concede if you compare it to the burbs its a even tougher sell.”
I know we go round and round about this, but serious question, what is advantage of NW side versus burbs? Obviously it’s a city address, which matters for some. And I actually like blue line commute. But setting those aside, what are pluses? One big plus of burbs is a viable high school option.
“I know we go round and round about this, but serious question, what is advantage of NW side versus burbs?”
good burbs=double if not more the property taxes and you lose the extra mode of transport (blue line) plus many other small things
plus,
burb people live in the burbs. you will not find a more down to earth type of people in the burbs or green zone than you do on the NW side.
Amen on the down to earth people especially in EP. Not sure about Suaganash though. Some DB’s there for sure.
“good burbs=double if not more the property taxes and you lose the extra mode of transport (blue line) plus many other small things”
Take a look at the tax rates- the better burbs don’t have the highest tax rates. Don’t confuse tax amounts (which ARE higher because of higher property value) with tax rates.
“burb people live in the burbs. you will not find a more down to earth type of people in the burbs or green zone than you do on the NW side.”
Actually, Englewood and some areas of the south side are filled with really nice, “down to earth” people – not snobby or stuck up at all!!!
“Take a look at the tax rates- the better burbs don’t have the highest tax rates. Don’t confuse tax amounts (which ARE higher because of higher property value) with tax rates.”
and then even if its a higher purchase price but same % tax its back to value for dollar.
“Actually, Englewood and some areas of the south side are filled with really nice, “down to earth” people – not snobby or stuck up at all!!!”
wow out of left field on that one, i will give this one pass for the day my internet friend clio.
“Not sure about Suaganash though. Some DB’s there for sure.”
JP yep there are some snobs over there and a higher concentration of them on the north side of peterson. but the whole foods is actually void of the DB’s but then you have to deal with the tree hugging workers there but the underground parking makes up for it 🙂
BTW,
i will be in saugansh for lunch today if anyone is in the area i will pick up the tab?
List just lowered to $795K.
“List just lowered to $795K.”
I noticed that too! I will say that when you get greedy and think that this kind of a cottage is worth $900K, I don’t feel all that bad when I see the price going down, down, down…
I’m not in love with that particular house but if you take a further discoutn off, so that it’s in the low $700s, that doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
I would also bet that Pulaski will become a viable school. I’d put the odds better than 50/50.
“List just lowered to $795K.”
Maybe Bob will make an offer now!
“Maybe Bob will make an offer now!”
It is friday.
Sold for $750. Seems about right.