Love Modern? Buy This 3-Bedroom Larry Booth-Designed Home in Old Town: 425 W. Eugenie
This 3-bedroom single family home at 425 W. Eugenie in Old Town is distinctive in this neighborhood due to its modern architecture.
Designed in 1978 by Larry Booth, the listing says it was “expanded and refined” by the architect owner.
All 3 bedrooms are on the main floor.
The kitchen has white cabinets and stainless steel appliances.
Built on a smaller than average Chicago lot measuring 27.5×90, the house only has a 1-car garage.
The house is listed for $515,000 more than the 2003 purchase price.
Will it get the premium?
Tracy Dillard at Koenig & Strey Real Living has the listing. See the pictures here.
425 W. Eugenie: 3 bedrooms, 3.5 baths, 4000 square feet, 1 car garage
- Sold in October 1991 for $500,000
- Sold in May 2003 for $1.435 million
- Originally listed in October 2011 for $1.95 million
- Currently still listed at $1.95 million
- Taxes of $22,310
- Central Air
- Bedroom #1: 21×12 (main floor)
- Bedroom#2: 11×10 (main floor)
- Bedroom #3: 11×10 (main floor)
- Media room: 15×15 (lower level)
Nice to see. Thanks for the blog entry.
Very pretty
Will it get premium? – No.
Nice house on a tiny lot w/1-car garage. But more likely to sell for $1m or less, than $1.95m; no premium for pedigree or modernist interior. I’ve noticed multiple +$1m properties on MLS, far exceeding high-end buyer market demographics.
The architect-owned Webster house was delisted, after lingering on market and substantial price reductions. Quality design doesn’t create a price premium. Plenty of developers and pick-up truck contractors have figured that out – just bring the Ann Sacks tile, Viking range, and Sub-zero refrigerator, and most buyers think they’re buying quality design and construction. More buyers like a house w/faux beaux arts look than a house w/modernist architectural pedigree.
“Nice house on a tiny lot w/1-car garage. But more likely to sell for $1m or less, than $1.95m; ”
How big is the lot? From the pics, it looks like a standard corner lot. Great location, this will definitely not sell for less than $1M.
1.6M??
“Quality design doesn’t create a price premium. Plenty of developers and pick-up truck contractors have figured that out – just bring the Ann Sacks tile, Viking range, and Sub-zero refrigerator, and most buyers think they’re buying quality design and construction. ”
It’s not just that, it’s appraisers too. They can’t tell the difference between quality or not. They just take the number of sq feet and multiply it by a price ppsf to come up with some ridiculous price, usually far too low for quality properties and far too high for dumpier properties. It may cost $70,000 to do a really nice kitchen vs $30,000 in a pick-up truck contractor but the appraiser assigns some arbitrary number like $30,000 to that for ‘good’ upgrades and subtracts $30,000 for ‘inferior upgrades’.
I really love this. Such a cool space.
I love this place. It is just perfect. If I lived in Chicago, I would be wiling to get a ton of debt for this one.
Beautiful and exceptional modern house. There’s only one flaw, which is the tight spiral staircase.
I liked these in my younger days, but as I’ve aged, I find them more uncomfortable and tricky to negotiate. I believe that if I owned this place, I’d be willing to spend a good chunk of change to redesign this staircase even if it meant it needed more space.
Very nice!
Old town and it has parking under 2 mil?
now the question is has the current owner added 700k value to the home since 2004?
I love this house. Larry Booth is one of the most talented architects in the city, IMO. I’ll be shocked and appalled if it sells for less than $1 Million as per Architect’s prediction.
I live very close by and have been in this house. current owners did an enormous amount of work on the house. I believe they even dug down to create greater ceiling height on the lower level. I feel the same as LL regarding the spiral staircase, not a big fan, but it is wider than the others I have seen.
Having the garage entrance not on the alley is a big plus.
Will admit that $1.9 is high, but like I said, it is pretty impressive on the inside and it sits on a very nice corner lot in a great location. My guess is that if it stays on the market it will sell for $1.5.
No way it goes for $1.9, but if Vegas put a line on this, I would bet the house that it does not sell for less than $1M.
4000 sf for under $ 1 million? (Is that a MG estimation? includes the basement etc.?)
Not possible. Assign a price per sf. There is no way this sells for under $300 psf.
the next question, is that three ovens? or two and a microwave? or one oven, one microwave and one easy bake?
Best blue bathroom ever.
Admittedly I don’t have G’s data, but based on having property in the area and being an Old Town bigot, I would say that an up to date SFH with one car parking isn’t going to sell for under 1MM.
Nice to see staging and photography worthy of the pricepoint for a change.
Architect is way off base. Will go for at least 1.6-1.8 million. The spiral staircase will kill this for many however…the architect owner should have changed this. Could live with 1 parking space but not the stairs.
“it’s appraisers too. They can’t tell the difference between quality or not. They just take the number of sq feet and multiply it by a price ppsf to come up with some ridiculous price”
Yeah, could totally see them using this as a comp:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1516-N-Wieland-St-60610/home/14117302
And finding this place to be worth $650k.
“Yeah, could totally see them using this as a comp:
And finding this place to be worth $650k.”
your place doenst have a spiral staircase thats why it sold
tiny-ish 2nd/3rd bedrooms for this price point.
that, and the stairs, eliminate some of the potential buyers out there.
could be off but i see the best potential buyer as the empty-nesters. good space for entertaining…couple extra bedrooms for guests but this place really caters to a couple, not a family.
jmho. $1.5-$1.7MM…call it $1.6MM gets it done.
The appraisal on the Weiland property was probably way higher than the final sales price.
I put the the subject property somewhere in the low 1’s. Mils that is.
anybody have a link to the webster home that was “delisted” ??
“this place really caters to a couple, not a family.”
Note master bedroom appears to be open to the living room. So, yeah, a couple with frequent-ish house guests.
I could see it closing for as little as 1.2 or as high as 1.7. Why 1.2: spiral staircase; only 3 beds; 1 car garage; open master bed; location is quite good but not great. Why 1.7: as jkd notes, there have been recent upgrades; it’s pretty huge, undeniably unique, and has a starchitect factor that matters to some folks; there are affluent, one-child, one car families who (i) don’t need/want a 4 or 5 bed and (ii) don’t want the standard vintage-looking LP/OT SFH. (I could see a two-child family as well, but for some reason I picture the parents of one 7+ year old kid gravitating toward this place (or perhaps a two-kid family whose oldest is heading off to college, so now they can sell the 4 or 5 bed in west LP or LV/RV/LS/NC). In any event, sub-1 million isn’t going to happen.
“The appraisal on the Weiland property was probably way higher than the final sales price.”
Sure, but the actual sales price now anchors future appraisals in the vicinity.
That quality design may be worth something in Monte Carlo, Beverly Hills, London, Paris, Rome, and Gstaad, but to an appraiser in Chicago, it’s worth fifty bucks.
“could be off but i see the best potential buyer as the empty-nesters.”
That’s who lives there now. After having been through the place though, one child (even two maybe) would not be a problem. Huge lower level. There’s only one space in the garage, but because its off street and not off alley, there is room for a second car (which the people in the house seem to use most days)
“anybody have a link to the webster home that was “delisted” ??”
http://cribchatter.com/?p=9235
I love this house! Anybody want to spot me about $1.5mil? I can handle the rest…
“because its off street and not off alley, there is room for a second car (which the people in the house seem to use most days)”
If one blocks the sidewalk, then one is liable to get parking tickets with extreme regularity, especially if one annoys one’s neighbors.
Its Old Town Triangle – care to list the many places for sale with 2 car garages?
I love this place. I’d make an offer on it fully furnished though. Definitely empty nester or hip urban couple with older kids kind of place.
Properties like this are hard to value. The appraisal system is very broken though. It is almost impossible to put a number on intangibles like good design, etc. Unless there is another 4000sqft townhome selling for around this price to use as a comp, I can see appraisal problems. I could see an appraiser maybe using a single family as a comp.
“Its Old Town Triangle – care to list the many places for sale with 2 car garages?”
In the Triangle proper (ie, SE of Ogden, SW of Lincoln, W of Wells)? I count 3. Out of 6. And other has 3 car outdoor parking. The last is on Crilly, and comes with no owned parking. Which leaves a this place with below average parking, of those for sale.
This might be my dream Chicago house. Buying a Mega Millions ticket tonight, if it hits this is gone tomorrow! Not holding my breath…..
“I could see an appraiser maybe using a single family as a comp.”
Russ: it is a SFH; just built to the lotline.
Doh! I thought it was an end unit townhome. Makes it even better.
Like the place. Very cool vibe and design! Think that it more than holds it’s value but not sure that it goes up that much in value. Good luck to the sellers. They sure took good care of the property during that time!
love it, could live there the rest of my life for sure
Move in ready for me. Chess board even set up. This is exactly what someone like me would look for. 1 bedroom works fine for me. I’d probably convert the 3rd bedroom into an sewing or S+M room.
Sonies, was it you who asked about FHA mortgage insurance premiums on refinances? Looks like the older premiums are going to be grandfathered in at the lower rate instead of the new higher MI rate on streamline refis now.
yes Russ I was just going to ask you about this http://tinyurl.com/76tdhfb
when will this become active?
Thanks Chairman Obama for the 8k and now a low low rate LOL
Sonies, yup. I guess they finally realized the new MI rates were killing their streamline refinances. Only caveat is I believe the loan had to be originated prior to June 2009. I’m sure we will be getting an FHA memo on when we can originate the new loans in the next couple of days.
I was March or April09, let me know when you can do this and i’ll give you a call
This house is awesome. I dont like the spiral staircase, but I would take it anyway (if I could afford it). I think it will sell for about $1.4.
Sonies, we just got official mortgagee letter from FHA. Won’t be available till June 11th…
ok well hopefully then rates will be even lower, i’ll mark my calendar lol
Love it! I haven’t seen it in person but that sprial staircase looks bigger than most so could be okay.
Finally! Good photography. Kudos to the realtor of doing his/her job
Just in case you were worried about teh high end market in Lake View. Wow…Rosie we hardly knew you
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-1-day-on-market-rosie-odonnells-home-has-buyer-20120306,0,2251739.story
That was a quick one for Rosie.
It’s Old Town Triangle, so I am going to nitpick.
1 There are lovely sections of Eugenie – this is not one of them. I’d like this property much more if it was further East towards N. North Park or further North on Willow or Mennomonee.
2 The area around Fern Hudson Eugenie is an area filled with low end rental buildings that would need a complete gut-rehab.
3 I suspect you’re not going to get much natural light.
@ anon(tfo)
Summary:
Available Inventory of SFH’s with 2 car parking outnumbers SFH’s with 1 car parking. The time has arrived. Google & Siri knows Old Town Triangle better than I know it myself – I should have chosen by words more carefully.
The Rest of the Story:
Forced to look at the data instead of wagging it, I am using the following as comparables w/ 2 car garage parking.
1813 Cleveland
1741 Mohawk
1852 N Sedgwick
I discounted
304. Willow as parking is outdoors and frankly the house is small inside
1718 N Crilly – Its rental parking for that block – and its not a SFH
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What I should have said was:
Parking is quite limited in Old Town Triangle. Many SFH’s do not have parking for various reason such as no alley access, inability to curb cut, etc.
For myself, having a SFH with 1 car parking in Old Town Triangle is pretty damn good (nirvana) already.
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“Its Old Town Triangle – care to list the many places for sale with 2 car garages?”
In the Triangle proper (ie, SE of Ogden, SW of Lincoln, W of Wells)? I count 3. Out of 6. And other has 3 car outdoor parking. The last is on Crilly, and comes with no owned parking. Which leaves a this place with below average parking, of those for sale.
Wish there was an edit function
I should have chosen MY words more carefully.
“I should have chosen by words more carefully.”
Great looking place, but is the master BR really open? And what does it open to? The living room? If you live here with kids, does it mean you and your spouse can never have sex again until the kids go to college? Maybe I’m over-reacting and someone will explain to me how this MBR really works.
Even if I didn’t have kids, the idea of my BR opening to some other room makes me nervous. A bedroom should have four full walls. But I’m kind of old fashioned.
“does it mean you and your spouse can never have sex again until the kids go to college?”
I’d be using the tub in that blue bathroom.
“Just in case you were worried about teh high end market in Lake View. Wow…Rosie we hardly knew you”
They’re allegedly moving the show to NY because it no longer has an audience (so why be in Chicago which is why you’re here- for our all-american audiences?) and she’s also from NY and doing the commute anyway.
She hardly lived in the house because the corporate apartment they also had for her was a better choice (as it will be for the new Cubs GM once he realizes how “small” Chicago really is and that living a few blocks from the park with all those drunken cubs fans isn’t the greatest thing- but we’ll chatter about that another day when he goes to sell as well.)
Since I’m on vacation, I can’t see what else is available in the neighborhood. This is Blaine, isn’t it? That matters. Maybe it’s the only house of this size that is on the market. I don’t know.
But G’s recent data on sales of properties over $1 million doesn’t show much strength in that market. It’s the same it’s been for the last few years- which is pretty dismal.
“Great looking place, but is the master BR really open? And what does it open to? The living room? If you live here with kids, does it mean you and your spouse can never have sex again until the kids go to college? Maybe I’m over-reacting and someone will explain to me how this MBR really works.”
I have been though the house relatively recently and the MBR does open to the living room (runs the length of the north window (a little less than half the length of the room, and about two feet deep), but you really can’t see down or up. That said, I would assume that sound would travel (at least into the living room).
“It’s Old Town Triangle, so I am going to nitpick.
1 There are lovely sections of Eugenie – this is not one of them. I’d like this property much more if it was further East towards N. North Park or further North on Willow or Mennomonee.
2 The area around Fern Hudson Eugenie is an area filled with low end rental buildings that would need a complete gut-rehab.
3 I suspect you’re not going to get much natural light.”
Chichow, I live right there and have to disagree with a few of your points. I actually think that this is a very nice section of Eugenie, bounded by the Buddhist temple on the north end and St. Michaels on the west end, with an added benefit being, that the areas is very quiet, the double dead makes street traffic almost nil and street parking for guests an absolute breeze (other than during old town art fair, we have never not found a spot on the street in the 10 years we have lived there). As for low end rentals, I would not say it is filled with them. On Eugenie between Cleveland and Sedgwick, I count a grand total of two rental properties. In my opinion, the big eyesore in the area is the large rental building on stilts two blocks away at the corner of North Park and Eugenie.
Can’t say too much about the natural light as I have only been inside the home in the evening,
“She hardly lived in the house because the corporate apartment they also had for her was a better choice (as it will be for the new Cubs GM once he realizes how “small” Chicago really is and that living a few blocks from the park with all those drunken cubs fans isn’t the greatest thing- but we’ll chatter about that another day when he goes to sell as well.)”
I actually saw her quite frequently in the neighborhood. Yes, I believe the Epsteins will realize quickly that was not the best choice. I am betting a cub bought Rosie’s place though. Or maybe the blackhawk that lost out on Epsteins place. I have met the GMs wife and she loves the house and their child is scheduled to go to Blaine in the fall, so maybe they will end up staying there.
@jkd
Let’s just use the Google street view.
First look East and West on Mennomonee, Willow, and Eugenie at the N. North Park intersection.
Then look East and West on Eugenie at Hudson.
Which street looks better?
And going North South on Hudson is no picnic either. The low end rental housing consists of multi unit housing from just North of North Ave. to the Temple.
“Or maybe the blackhawk that lost out on Epsteins place.”
All indications say he likely was paid to drop his contract. Just ask Mrs. E.
“realizes how “small” Chicago really is”
NY’ers can’t handle Chicago, they really dislike it. I noticed this first time with Barry Sullivan, then Jamie Dimon, now Rosie O’lesbo. They really can’t wait to get out of here fast enough. Madonna won’t even set foot in this town, or be seen here, she’s probably thinks we’re just a big Pittsburgh.
“NY’ers can’t handle Chicago, they really dislike it.”
How bout Hubsters? Does Theo have a chance?
Compared to Boston, Chicago is not “small”, even in the intended sense.
“Madonna won’t even set foot in this town, or be seen here, she’s probably thinks we’re just a big Pittsburgh.”
This from the Detroit area native. Heck, she won’t even be seen in LA know that she’s developed the faux british accent.
Bostonians who like to drink & party like Chicago alot. Alot of them move to San Francisco because the scale and size of that city (alot smaller than Chicago) plus the ocean reminds them of home. I suppose to some die-hard east coasters we’re famous for Jordan and Oprah and not much else.
Compared to NYC, the dense urban core of Chicago is very small I dont’ know why some of you are disputing this… the east coast corridor is enormous and the only people I know that like Chicago more than their hometown from that area are from Philly/Jersey
We? I thought you were from South Africa.
“we’re famous for Jordan and Oprah and not much else.”
Pretty sure Jordan was living near Ze, in Maryland. He lived in Chicago?
“the only people I know that like Chicago more than their hometown”
And Ze. Don’t forget Ze.
speaking of … “He lived in Chicago?”
No, Fat MJ did not.
The funny thing is that Milwaukee is only 90 miles from chicago, it has 1.75 million people, and yet the only time you hear about them is when they catch a serial killer or they discharge untreated waste into lake michigan. I’ve got family in wisconsin so I’m up there often enough. It’s not that bad of a city, but it doesn’t even exist for most chicago residents. Most chicago residents visit lake geneva, or eagle river, more often than they visit milwaukee.
“the east coast corridor is enormous and the only people I know that like Chicago more than their hometown from that area are from Philly/Jersey”
I have a number of candidate hometowns. One of the possibilities is on east coast, and I definitely like Chicago more than that one.
Um, Milwaukee county has barely 1 million people, the city itself is like only 600k, maybe if you include all the collar counties, but that would be like saying Chicago is 9.8 million people (metro area stats), But anyway, i will agree that Milwaukee isn’t a bad town to visit or spend a weekend, but the hell if I’d ever live there.
“I have a number of candidate hometowns. One of the possibilities is on east coast, and I definitely like Chicago more than that one”
so why don’t you just go ahead and say that we don’t know each other…
Lots of Cub fans go up to Miller Park. Whitefish Bay is really nice, all-American, it’s like Chicago’s North Shore without the Highland Park/Glencoe mindset.
“so why don’t you just go ahead and say that we don’t know each other…”
Oh, I’m sorry, I thought you were making a broader point than what sonies’ east coast acquaintances’ preferences are wrt chicago.
My east coast friends love Chicago. They came to the midwest for college and many stayed to live and raise families.
“My east coast friends love Chicago.”
Wrong thread, doesn’t matter. This thread is about sonies’ east coast friends.
“Whitefish Bay is really nice, all-American, it’s like Chicago’s North Shore without the Highland Park/Glencoe mindset.”
No it’s not. The Milwaukee North Shore is even more insular and backward than Chicago’s.
“Whitefish Bay is really nice”
One can only assume you go up to Whitefish Bay for the Giffilte Fish. Oh that would be good right now..
…and Yes, Ze confirms a preference for Chicago over NY. NY definitely a much cooler city but just not a healthy place to live.
“The Milwaukee North Shore is even more insular and backward than Chicago’s”
My auntie is jewish and lives in a big old craftsman house on milwaukee’s north shore. So how’s that, Dan?
“The Milwaukee North Shore is even more insular and backward than Chicago’s.”
But Vijay, there aren’t as many Jews, so it’s more to Dan’s liking.
I know, the racial hatred you hear from people in the northern suburbs of Milwaukee is astonishing.
“The Milwaukee North Shore is even more insular and backward than Chicago’s.”
That’s retarded. People in Whitefish Bay are better off, and have more, and have been more places than 99% of the people on planet Earth. You want to make them seem like idiots. You’re the idiot. There are less assholes there.
“Wrong thread, doesn’t matter. This thread is about sonies’ east coast friends.”
I find most east coasters to be assholes, honestly
“There are less assholes there.”
How does it compare to the TGI Fridays on Butterfield Road?
“One of the possibilities is on east coast, and I definitely like Chicago more than that one.”
Camden, right? Or is it Newark? Doesn’t that help prove Sonies point?
If I couldn’t live in Chicago, I’d like to be in Kew Gardens.
“Camden, right? Or is it Newark?”
I wish it were that exciting. And sadly not anywhere else in philly/jersey, which I forgot to add.
“I find most east coasters to be assholes, honestly”
Gotta agree with that. So glad I’m not there any longer (or really from there to start with).
Its easier and cheaper to catch a bulls game in Milwaukee than at the united center. considering traffic it might be a faster trip too
every time i catch a bulls game up there i swear there are more bulls fans than buck fans.
“I know, the racial hatred you hear from people in the northern suburbs of Milwaukee is astonishing.”
Is it worse than what you hear on the northwest side of Chicago?
Yes, but probably not the SW side.
If you are good at splitting hairs, maybe.
““I find most east coasters to be assholes, honestly”
Gotta agree with that. ”
Fuck both of you! Nothing warmer than a New Yorker except maybe someone from Philly. You 2 are just a couple of no nothing – douchebag pricks!
Can we at least all agree that the women of wisc have bigger bottoms?
“I know, the racial hatred you hear from people in the northern suburbs of Milwaukee is astonishing.”
“Is it worse than what you hear on the northwest side of Chicago?”
Nothing is worse than the institutionalized, ingrained xenophobia, racism and islamophobia you get up in HP/Glencoe. We’re about to have another war because of it. I only wish the “NW side” was as bad as it gets.
“Can we at least all agree that the women of wisc have bigger bottoms?”
No. You’ve obviously never been to the southside or stood outside Garrett Popcorn or one of the thousands of KFCs or taquerias in Chicago. Minnesota has some nice looking women.
i am not talking about slobs or the obese (or minnesota wtf?) . i am talking about regular sized girls with an inordinately large tuchus.
have to agree with dan there, Chicagoans for the most part, especailly in the “middle to lower class” hoods are extremely obese compared to most of the rest of the northern midwestern states
And, I like big butts
You other brothers can’t deny …
In my neck of the woods. Nothing is more popular than a thin girl with a big ass. Ze has definitely come to appreciate the difference between a healthy bunda and a fat ass.
“come to appreciate the difference between a healthy bunda and a fat ass.”
and thats all that really matters in life, once we all grasp that its a pretty simple and beautiful world
Unfortunately we are about to start another war bc a rouge state is trying to develop nuclear weapons. Not that I blame them, they’ve been surrounded by the us on either side since 2001. It all started with that whole embassy thing back in 1979. We hold grudges.
“a rouge state is trying to develop nuclear weapons”
Louisiana is trying to develop nukes? And we’re going to war with them?
This thread demonstrate what a versatile word “ass” is in English language.
“This thread demonstrate what a versatile word “ass” is in English language.”
Miu, I can actually string together a complicated and comprehensive sentence, using nothing other than the F word. It’s an East Coast thing.
Maybe that is why I like the folks from the east coast. Actually NY is my favorite American city. Wish could live there.
I’ll chip in for the plane ticket!
The thing is people from the BosWash corridor think creative or eloquent use of expletives as well as rudeness in general is some sort of proxy for actual toughness/street cred. Couldn’t be farther from the truth. They’re just pissed off with high blood pressure and unhappy in life in general because their uber competitive display they need to keep social rank wears them down after awhile and it’s damn expensive to have any sort of middle class existence all along that corridor. Oh and the weather isn’t that great either.
The only reason moomoo likes them is she knows not being a native with a large population representation (ie: not white, black or hispanic) she doesn’t really fit in here. She would in a few neighborhoods in Chicago but eschews the “uncleansed”/”simpleton” ethnics of her race so is disappointed there isn’t an area with sufficient population density of snobby Asians such as herself.
Maybe Macau or HK would be more to your liking, moomoo?
““I find most east coasters to be assholes, honestly”
Gotta agree with that. So glad I’m not there any longer (or really from there to start with).”
The problem with east coasters is they have become so hyper competitive from a young age because that’s what they’re taught is what it takes to be successful in adulthood as a kid. The problem is not everyone can be a top-X%er and that competitiveness takes its toll after awhile when they see eventual, inevitable disappointments. Well that and the population density.
But Chicago has high population density as well but not not similar assholeishness. So I’m chalking it up to a failed life paradigm in general.
Oh and when I say asshole BosWash corridor people, I’m counting Florida south of N. FLA as well. Florida is where they go right before their end when they get cancer and die, it’s the ostrich phase where they bury their head in the sand. As if such assholes could even appreciate the slow pace, humidity and natural beauty Florida has to offer. They can’t and that’s why they’ve ruined Florida south of the panhandle.
People from the Boswash corridor are descendants of a lineage who managed to make it across the ocean, but not much farther from Ellis Island than that, to give you some perspective. Most of the rest of America was settled by more perceptive people who saw what a large and bountiful land this place is, and set out to make their own way.
“As if such assholes could even appreciate the slow pace, humidity and natural beauty Florida has to offer. They can’t and that’s why they’ve ruined Florida south of the panhandle.”
Spot on. Go to boca raton or aventura and you see these obnoxious idiots holed up in high-rises which are just modern day shtetls with elevators. Nature is unnatural to them.
“People from the Boswash corridor are descendants of a lineage who managed to make it across the ocean, but not much farther from Ellis Island than that, to give you some perspective. Most of the rest of America was settled by more perceptive people who saw what a large and bountiful land this place is, and set out to make their own way.”
LOL, one time at the Atlantis resort in Bahamas, I saw this mentality first hand. Overloaded with east coasters, you walk down to this expansive beach, what to the east coasters do? They plop their towels down right there where the walkway hits the beach. They could easily have walked even 200 yards further for a better spot, but no.
” Most of the rest of America was settled by more perceptive people who saw what a large and bountiful land this place is, and set out to make their own way.”
Actually that’s not true. Most of America was settled by migrating poor being used to fulfill the elite classes expansionary desires. They have real history books on this stuff. The Astors and Mayflower class were not picking their asses up and settling Wyoming. California coast was pretty well settled by the Spaniards.
“They can’t and that’s why they’ve ruined Florida south of the panhandle.”
Ze is not the biggest fan of Fla, but there are some beautiful parts down south. Saying that N.Fla is nicer than So. Fla is just idiotic. Oh the lovely Lake Okeechobee (que up banjo for Deliverance theme). Seriously, it is a shithole north of Daytona. Nothing but people driving their homes to this Saturdays big SEC game.
“Go to boca raton or aventura and you see these obnoxious idiots holed up in high-rises which are just modern day shtetls with elevators. Nature is unnatural to them.”
As they open up their windows and fall asleep listening to the waves crashing along the shore, or wake up and step outside for the morning run and swim? (something Ze will be doing in about an hour).
“LOL, one time at the Atlantis resort in Bahamas, I saw this mentality first hand. Overloaded with east coasters, you walk down to this expansive beach, what to the east coasters do? ”
I have to agree. That place is horrendous. Felt like being in Staten Island or the Jersey Shore. A very strange mix of high rollers and discount travelers. Very Guido and very overcrowded. I had to go there once for a golf thingy and Tyson/Hollyfield fight party. I called the desk and had them move me to the Ocean Club before I could last there 3 hours. Fortunately I did meet one spectacular looking guidette the first evening. Don’t think I even played golf that weekend. Friend I went down with was a New Trier kid so he, rather predictably, disappeared on me that weekend doing nothing more than looking for Coca.
Bob, I thought kids in Ohio were competitive. Just fighting for those 100 NFL spots that come open every year. Just bad parenting.
lol…for some reason the Dan/Bob duet reminds me of this quote:
“I’m all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.”
and happy women’s day to you all!
“Bob, I thought kids in Ohio were competitive. ”
I’m actually from the BosWash corridor. Got out when I was 13 and never looked back.
Now when I look at housing valuations there I have to laugh. At least here in Chicago you get something with your half mill. There you get a 35+yr old tract home. If only Leavitt could know one day people would be paying half a mill to live in those places in a time when a mill is still a helluva lot of money.
“Now when I look at housing valuations there I have to laugh. At least here in Chicago you get something with your half mill. ”
If those make you laugh… you can’t ask to be on a better street. Lobby seems nice. Apt needs some work… my guess not facing the ocean… but…
http://www.zap.com.br/imoveis/oferta/Apartamento-Padrao-1-quartos-venda-RIO-DE-JANEIRO-IPANEMA-RUA-VINICIUS-DE-MORAES/ID-2779205
Miu, I like that quote.
btw.. up 1.5% on R/E down here in Feb.
…and the spread continues to widen like a Minnesota chicks ass.
GZ: your link above – we all know that type of nonsense can’t continue indefinitely. $483k for that place seems awfully bubbly to me. It’s right on par with VAncouver’s million dollar crack shacks…
http://www.crackshackormansion.com/
Here’s what $860,000 buys: http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/02/10560526-spectacular-irish-hotel-massive-discount-price