The Penthouse Premium: A 2-Bedroom at 1720 S. Michigan in the South Loop

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This 2-bedroom penthouse in 1720 S. Michigan in the South Loop recently came on the market.

It has extra tall ceilings with floor-to-ceiling west views in the living room that make it seem almost loft-like.

The unit also has a 250 square foot terrace.

There are hardwood floors throughout.

It appears the second bedroom doesn’t have windows.

The kitchen has granite and stainless steel appliances.

The unit has the other amenities buyers look for including

central air, washer/dryer in the unit and garage parking is available for $30,000 extra.

In 2012, at the bottom of the market, another one of these 2-bedroom penthouses was on the market as a short sale for $289,000 and some of you STILL didn’t think it was a deal. See our 2012 chatter here.

This one is listed at $529,999, if you buy the parking space.

Are the days of deals in the South Loop gone for good?

Jennifer Lane at Coldwell Banker has the listing. See the pictures here.

Unit #3310: 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, 1284 square feet

  • Sold in February 2008 for $455,000 (included the parking)
  • Currently listed for $499,999 plus $30,000 for the parking = $529,999
  • Assessments of $464 a month (includes wifi, cable, doorman, heat, gas, a/c)
  • Taxes of $4051
  • Central Air
  • Washer/Dryer in the unit
  • 250 square foot terrace
  • Bedroom #1: 14×12
  • Bedroom #2: 13×11

94 Responses to “The Penthouse Premium: A 2-Bedroom at 1720 S. Michigan in the South Loop”

  1. 530K for these finishes and not including parking is too high in my opinion.
    Yes, it is on the top floor and has high ceilings, but that’s about it.
    It looks pretty much terrible. As if a single unit was split into two and this place is one half of an original one. Even the balcony looks split.
    There are so many nicer 2BRs in this hood. I say pass.

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  2. I prefer this one anyway over the featured “penthouse:”

    https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1201-S-Prairie-Ave-60605/unit-1104/home/12985668

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  3. MiuMiu,

    Come on, the Grant? or OMP West or what ever marketing name they are using now? Have they even sold any units there?

    Wait weren’t they supposed to turn it into “high end” rentals then that didn’t work so the re-marketededed it as The Grant

    its a hard sell considering OMP east is a soild building that is holding its prices in the resale and has waaaayyy better floor plans.

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  4. Isn’t this building known for it’s college-like atmosphere?

    I would buy a townhouse in Dearborn Park instead of this unit.

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  5. “It appears the second bedroom doesn’t have windows”

    So its a 1 bedroom 2 bath unpainted apartment with one step above rental grade finishes for $529k?

    So which would the chatterati choose, the place by “comiskey” from yesterday or this place?

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  6. hahahaha this listing oh boy where to start

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  7. This building sucks. Almost as much as 1620.

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  8. “Come on, the Grant? or OMP West or what ever marketing name they are using now? Have they even sold any units there?”

    lolwut they sold 50 units in a year with days on market at half of Chicago’s average…

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  9. the pictures of this place make it show more like a foreclosure than for something listed at such a premium.

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  10. “lolwut they sold 50 units in a year with days on market at half of Chicago’s average”

    and how many years have these units been on and off the market, included the preconstruction sales and during constructions sales?

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  11. $529,000 and yet no room for a dining room table. Everyone eats at the counter! How awesome, great for entertaining, right?

    And this building is way too close for my preferences to the subsidized housing at 2001 S. Michigan. Three blocks is five blocks too few for me.

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  12. “And this building is way too close for my preferences to the subsidized housing at 2001 S. Michigan. Three blocks is five blocks too few for me.”

    Suburbanites do not get a voice on what they “view” is too close or not.

    It is not “bad” here, and is way safer than living in a basement studio apartment in uptown.

    If your are living a boring life on a cul-de-sac in the soulless suburbs, please refrain on commenting about what is a safe neighborhood.

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  13. “and how many years have these units been on and off the market, included the preconstruction sales and during constructions sales?”

    Well timing was not on their side that’s for sure but it’s a nice building, hence the dozens of 900k/1m 2/2 sales this year.

    The units in the Grant with the nice appliance and finish packages sell for such a higher premium, just like this “Penthouse” would if it wasn’t finished with the cheapo contractor stuff.

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  14. “It is not “bad” here, and is way safer than living in a basement studio apartment in uptown.”

    If that’s your comparison, then you’re not helping your case.

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  15. “Well timing was not on their side that’s for sure but it’s a nice building, hence the dozens of 900k/1m 2/2 sales this year.
    The units in the Grant with the nice appliance and finish packages sell for such a higher premium”

    But why buy in The Grant when there is inventory in a OMP East that IMO is a better building with better floor plans and a better HOA?

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  16. I can smell the neighbors’ cigarette smoke thru the balcony pix.

    The Grant unit is way nicer for only a little bit more.

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  17. The micro over the stove is the best thing this place has going for it.

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  18. this building and 1620 were CMK’s peak shittyness during the bubble years

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  19. nonny:

    was the fort custom? Or from some sort of kit?

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  20. Your Google foo is as strong as ever. It was acquired by the previous owners at a charity auction (owners before them lived there 30 years, they were there for about 5). Apparently it was placed in the yard by a crane (before we built the garage).

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  21. “It is not “bad” here, and is way safer than living in a basement studio apartment in uptown.”

    If that’s your comparison, then you’re not helping your case.

    We lived close to those subsidized houses temporarily for 3 months, and it wasn’t that great. I would agree with homedelete, a little further north would be preferable.

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  22. It’s super cool; you going to find a way to take with?

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  23. Groove, I don’t know the status of the sales in “Grants,” but the unites I liked are now selling in nine hundreds. Check 4802, 4803, and 4902. I did not have nearly 700K at the time, otherwise I would have snatched one. The place is doing well and one could have easily made 200-300K on a unit.

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  24. “and how many years have these units been on and off the market, included the preconstruction sales and during constructions sales?”

    They came on the market right at the time of the bust. They are doing well now. I wish I owned in here.

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  25. Would love to, but we’d have to remove a section of fence/gate that we built. And disassembling, moving and putting back together seems unlikely. We had assumed that it would be a big selling point for buyers (somewhat irrationally, it was for us), but I think our current buyers have college age kids (so I doubt they’re even thinking about grandkids using it, but who knows). I guess if they insist on it being removed, we’ll think more seriously about taking it apart.

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  26. “this building and 1620 were CMK’s peak shittyness during the bubble years”

    Dang it, dont say it three times fast or he who shall not be named will appear. Why ruin a great Friday.

    “Groove, ….unites I liked are now selling in nine hundreds….I did not have nearly 700K at the time, otherwise I would have snatched one…..one could have easily made 200-300K on a unit.”

    If one had the magic crystal 8 ball and the cash then yes would have made out. But are all the units sold at the Grant, or are they still playing the hide a seek game with listing of empty units?

    now playing with my own money i would buy in OMP East before gambling on the Grant. actually when playing with my own money i and picking the south loop i wouldnt pay either of those buildings prices. Get a unit at half the cost twice the sqft in the sloop and use the savings to hang a big picture of the skyline on my wall.

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  27. The photos are not penthouse worthy. Odd that the realtor led with the laundry, closet, hall, and dorm-room-desk photos. Not at all a well presented unit.

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  28. You are right Groove. At the time, I really wanted to buy in OMP East (I felt it was safer), but was also willing to try Grant, but we did not have enough money and I did not want to take a jumbo loan. Also I think at some point they just stopped selling at Grant (at the time OMP West) as bank took them over from the developer or something to that effect.

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  29. MiuMiu,

    I wonder if we were looking at the same time. It was called OMP West, it wasnt finished yet when we were looking. Even though many here say i am wrong I still swear that OMP East and West were supposed to share amenities or at least outdoor/indoor pools.

    It went off market and the rumor its was going to rental, then they fired the reality group. maybe something like the bank also took it away from developers or something? then it got re-branded as The Grant with a different RE firm, then played the listing game shell game.

    But back when we looked OMP east wasnt full sold yet, and to add another building next to it scared us away from the west.

    BTW, looking up anecdotal comments on OMP east is how i found the cribchatter blog.

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  30. “But are all the units sold at the Grant, or are they still playing the hide a seek game with listing of empty units?”

    All sold, or at least under contract. A few sold during 2013/2014 have since been resold with pretty nice appreciation.

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  31. “BTW, looking up anecdotal comments on OMP east is how i found the cribchatter blog.”

    That is so cool. We bought a 1BR in 2009 and that is when I found CC. We were looking for a 2BR in 2011 and that is when I fell in love with the north facing units in both buildings. In particular there was one in MPE on 25th floor with high ceilings. The amenities are separate for each building though (at least this is what I recall I was told last I asked).
    I was ok gambling for MP West but my husband was against it. He is the more conservative one. I like gambling :)

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  32. “In particular there was one in MPE on 25th floor with high ceilings”

    Unit 2505 would have been prefect for you. 2/2 with a mini den/office spot north facing. We were looking at the 05 units, i know 25th floor gets you 2 feet more of ceiling heights and extra top windows cant remember the price premium for 25th floor?

    If money (and time waiting for a unit) wasn’t an object 340 on the park IMO is better location wise.

    We also looked at the east facing tier, I think 03, it was a low low floor. Didnt like being that low

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  33. That isn’t a terrace. Its a balcony. A little small on the square foot size, South Loop location, and cheapy looking overall.

    Nope.

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  34. THIS is a terrace.

    https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/60-E-Monroe-St-60603/unit-1501/home/21793370

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  35. Sabrina you mention the word “green zone” quite a lot. What are the boundaries of the green zone?

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  36. “Sabrina you mention the word “green zone” quite a lot. What are the boundaries of the green zone?”

    Not again. Can we have a permanent link on the side bar for definition of green zone?

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  37. Good one Nimesh!

    But in all seriousnes:

    Irving Park to Western to Roosevelt. If you’re outside those boundaries, you’re not in the Green Zone. the boundaries can be a little bit fuzzy on particular blocks but that’s the general idea, although others will disagree with me.

    I used to tell people I lived at Pulaski, and they’d ask where that was! 4000 west was, and still is, the boonies!

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  38. Irving Park to Western to Roosevelt. Try again suburbanite.

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  39. GREEN ZONE OFFICIAL on February 28th, 2016 at 6:55 am

    Once and for all – the Green Zone is considered:

    Addison to the north.
    Rockwell to the west..
    18th St. to the south…
    and about 500 yards into the lake to the east….

    And if it isn’t this this small – it soon will be!

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  40. “Irving Park to Western to Roosevelt. Try again suburbanite.”

    I lived in the city from the 90’s until the 2010’s, so I speak from experience.

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  41. You must not have paid much attention if that loose and lazy definition is the best you can do.

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  42. “You must not have paid much attention if that loose and lazy definition is the best you can do.”

    Coming from the guy who has yet to refute my general rule.

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  43. by your definition HD museum park is out of green zone :)

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  44. The current asking price for similar units on lower floors @ 1720 Mich. are from the low to mid $300s. $200K for higher ceilings and the top floor location is more than steep, don’t you think? Especially since the finishes are definitely not “penthouse” quality.

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  45. Re: The Grant/OMPWest: The original developer, Enterprise, was left with something like 500 unsold units over three Museum Park developments when it hit the fan in 2008. The Grant, being the last to go on market and the most expensive had, by far, the most unsold units then. For the next two-three years financing on new developments less than 75% sold was pretty much non-existent.

    In mid-2012 Related took over the unsold units from Enterprise and spent about a year in finishing out/remodeling/rebranding the unsold units. All three buildings sold out within two years.

    So yes, The Grant was on the market until about 2010, not marketed until sometime in 2013, due to the housing crash, just like any other unsold development at the time.

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  46. You people who think the GZ ends at Addison or even Irving are clowns. There are myriad gorgeous, convenient, relatively safe and expensive (because after all, price is the biggest indicator of desirability) properties north of there in NC, Ravenswood, Andersonville and Lincoln Square. Any exclusion of these areas is reflective of personal biases and/or ignorance and not supported by facts or demographics.

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  47. yes that’s true sid v but that’s not the green zone. it’s like people who live in northbrook and glenview and call it the north shore. it’s not the north shore and they’re not fooling anyone.

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  48. Also for the Grant one needs to factor in the empty lot to the west that wont stay empty, into what tier you buy in the Grant.

    The views to the west are awesome now but will eventually be a view into someones living room sometime in the near future.

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  49. There is no way that any Greenzone goes as far west as Western or Rockwell on the West Side. Madison and Rockwell is not Greenzone. Don’t even. Greezone might follow a couple blocks west of Milwaukee going south from Logan Square. West of downtown, I’d maybe say Racine or Ashland as a west boundary.

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  50. BTW,

    The fact my hood is not considered the Green Zone is absolutely hilarious. it is a true miscalculation or understanding of crime and city boundaries.

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  51. yes vb you are correct but I wanted to define it roughly for Nimesh not give a block by block description. and western seemed close enough

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  52. “yes that’s true sid v but that’s not the green zone.”

    And neither is the NE corner of Roosevelt and Western, or Roosevelt and Ashland, or even Roosevelt and Halsted; or you know, anything else S of Congress and W of the Ryan. Each of those is far *less* GZ than Graceland West or even A’ville.

    So, your facile boundaries are demonstrably false.

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  53. “You people who think the GZ ends at Addison or even Irving are clowns.”

    The GreenZone definition has always been fluid but it is essentially this: if you move here from New York City or San Francisco or after you get out of college, where do you want to live?

    It’s not Edgebrook. It’s not Ravenswood. It’s not Edgewater. Even though all three of those neighborhoods are lovely.

    It’s:

    Loop, South Loop, Printers Row, West Loop, River North, Streeterville, Gold Coast, Lakeshore East, Old Town/Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Wicker Park, Bucktown,

    We’ve debated adding:

    Andersonville, Logan Square, Ukrainian Village and maybe parts of North Center (like Roscoe Village)

    Like I said, neighborhoods change. Some of the hottest restaurants are in some of these neighborhoods so they may now be a destination for new arrivals who seek them out immediately upon moving here.

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  54. my three streets of course is demonstrably false but it’s also just an approximation. what’s so hard to understand here?

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  55. Facile indeed. Sabrina’s out of state argument is absurd. Young people out of college are nearly all renters, what’s the relevance here? As for out of state buyers, these people have the same economic constraints, preferences and imperfect information as anyone else, and act accordingly.

    IMO, If you can walk to the Brown Line within five or so minutes, you’re likely in the GZ, all the way out to Western and, debatably, perhaps even Francisco in RM.

    Northbrook and Glenview are not on the water, there’s demonstrably no “shore” there. Bad analogy.

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  56. GreenZone implies a safe and secure place to live. A recent college graduate moving to Chicago, looking for a place to rent, will likely look in the neighborhoods that @Sabrina mentioned. Not only because they are safe and secure, but because of the neighborhood amenities and ambiance.

    A few years later, when they are shopping for their first condo, they might consider a wider choice of neighborhoods. And later, shopping for their first single family home, entirely different neighborhoods apply.

    The neighborhoods under debate, like Roscoe Village, are certainly GreenZone for single family homes. The more distant neighborhoods, like Edgebrook, Ravenswood, Edgewater are GreenZone for families looking for safe and secure with their choice of neighborhood amenities and ambiance.

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  57. “Not only because they are safe and secure”

    Maybe more PERCEIVED safe than actual. Lake View is really not that safe.

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  58. “if you move here from New York City or San Francisco”

    Hm, the number of people who moved here from NY or SF and are in my not-on-Sabrina’s-list hood is meaningful.

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  59. Not to rehash GZ argument, which seems to be rehashed but the original definition is a small subset of neighborhoods along the lakeshore that give Chicago the ‘chicago’ feel that so many college grads move here to seek. The pejorative GZ term basically saying that outside of these handful of lakeshore ‘hoods is the Chi-Raq, which is why the traditional boundaries of west of western still applies in some regard.

    The most GZ neighborhood is of course Lincoln Park and then work your way outward from there until you reach a point where the ‘hood is too dissimilar from Lincoln Park to be considered the GZ. I’ve also heard it referred to as the ‘lakeshore liberals’ neigborhoods. Outside these handful of chicago neighborhoods you get the Chicago that’s not the lakefront neighborhoods. North Center may be expensive and awesome but it’s just so far from LP and the lake that calling it GZ is again changing the original defintion of GZ. Albany Park is not the fracking GZ.

    The northshore argument is completely valid. NOrthbrook is filled to teh brim with businesses and people saying it’s the north shore, when in fact, no one is fooled.

    You can call albany park or edgebrook GZ but that’s changing the definition of what GZ means. Edgebrook and whatever suburb Groove lives I’m sure are very nice, and Long Grove where i live is totally awesome, but it’s not the green zone of chicago.

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  60. “the original definition is a small subset of neighborhoods along the lakeshore that give Chicago the ‘chicago’ feel that so many college grads move here to seek”

    Um, no.

    “GZ term basically saying that outside of these handful of lakeshore ‘hoods is the Chi-Raq”

    This IS the original usage, here on teh CC.

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  61. It’s a different way of describing the same thing. One less classist than the other.

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  62. So, your assertion is that north of IPR is Chi-Raq.

    Nice.

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  63. I vote North Center and Lincoln Sq. in the GZ. I’d also include University Village and Ukranian/East Village and Logan Sq.

    McKinley Park and Pilsen and Avondale, not included (yet).

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  64. “So, your assertion is that north of IPR is Chi-Raq.”

    From some people’s perspective, yes, and it’s definitely not the GZ. Broadway/Montrose has a much different feel than Broadway south of Irving Park, that is undeniable. It’s a different neighborhood entirely and it’s not the GZ. really, the GZ is parts of all neighborhoods with the word “loop” in its name, then lakeview, lincoln park of course, bucktown, wicker park and that’s about it. That’s not to say that other areas aren’t Nice or Desirable or wealthy, but from a chi-raq perspective of many lincoln park residents, Yes, most assuredly, you never go west of western.

    We aren’t here to argue whether a neighborhood is good or bad, just whether or not its a green zone area. Sabrina is completely correct in her assessment of neighborhoods in the GZ. And I agree with her. The GZ comes from the perspective of a sheltered big 10 grad who moves to Chicago: because Lincoln Park is like Ann Arbor, Bloomington and Madison all combined! hell yeah, where’s the nearest IU bar??? $10 pitchers on Tuesdays! What? You want me to go to a party in North Center? is that a bar in lincoln park? My college roommate lives in Wicker Park now, he’s totally cool and he’s got a job at Accenture dude, and we’ll uber it over there to visit him some time …

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  65. My job requires me to work with a bunch of 1st year consultants, and I have to say, for the last 2 or 3 years, the majority of these little shits* have been moving to Logan Square.

    *I say that (mostly) affectionately.

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  66. “Broadway/Montrose has a much different feel than Broadway south of Irving Park, that is undeniable”

    Really? So, you’re saying that you have never been to the corner of Broadway and Sheridan, or Broadway and Grace?

    Or in your demented worldview are Sheridan and Grace *north* of Irving Park?

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  67. I thought the GZ was defined as a neighborhood that a LP Trixie society in good standing would/could reside

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  68. anon(tfo) Broadway south of Irving is boys town. I’ve seen HH hanging out a lot there – j/k north of IP is Buena Park. it’s a transition neighborhood to uptown

    and yes johnnyU it’s the same neighborhoods where an LP trixie would live

    calling my view demented is just stupid. I’m just describing the GZ not commenting on the quality of hoods.

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  69. I thought GZ was any neighborhood with a cupcake shop and walking distance to an El stop

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  70. I find your opinions bizarre, biased and highly subjective HD, and am entirely unconvinced. Perhaps you’d have better luck convincing us of the relative merits of Palatine vs. Buffalo Grove.

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  71. “I’d also include University Village”

    Um…no way.

    And you know how I can tell?

    By the lack of comments on this blog over the years whenever I’ve cribbed on a property there. No one moves to Chicago and tells their real estate agent, “can you find me something in University Village please.”

    No one.

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  72. Here’s the definition of GreenZone as provided by Russ on Crib Chatter in 2010:

    “Greenzone means typical neighborhoods that Yuppies like that aren’t off the beaten path – Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Bucktown, Gold Coast, etc. It is a play on the Iraq war about the greenzone being safe for journalist, etc.”

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  73. Here’s the progression: sorority girl->yuppie(trixie)->DINK->soccer mom. Each life phase favors certain Chicago neighborhoods. If “GreenZone” is limited to only the yuppie phase, it’s going to exclude a lot of “hot” neighborhoods that are more focused on the other phases. That’s why Roscoe Village is certainly GreenZone to me.

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  74. ” That’s why Roscoe Village is certainly GreenZone to me.”

    Roscoe Village is technically Lake View, and it’s east of Western, so yes,it’s most assuredly the Green Zone. Roscoe Village has been gentrified going on decades now. 2 flats in the near vicinity were listed/selling? in the 800’s in 2003/4, during the time period I lived there.

    Sid V, I think we’re arguing past each other here. I’m not arguing my opinion at all. I’m simply stating the objective definition of the GZ. The definition of GZ has nothing at all to do with desirability, quality or how great a neighborhood is. It’s nothing more than a pejorative term to describe areas outside a handful neighborhoods. I personally really like Logan Sq (it’s the long time neighborhood of my great grandparents!) and I lived in Old Irving Park for close to a decade.

    And palatine and buffalo grave are so boring, lOng grove/Deer Park and anything off or near Cuba Rd is amazing, I love it out here, I would highly recommend this amazing lifestyle for anyone who wants to live life to the fullest. Great community and area.

    Who wants a 25′ foot wide lot surrounded by gangbangers/riff-raff and other undesirables when you can have an acre+ in a great area in the Stevenson school district for 1/2 to 1/4 the price of a comparable SFH in the GZ?

    https://www.redfin.com/IL/Kildeer/20811-W-Yorkshire-Dr-60047/home/17653128

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  75. “Broadway south of Irving is boys town”

    Broadway south of Grace is boys town, you out of touch lake county goof.

    Broadway and Sheridan is largely the same as Broadway and Montrose. *might* change after the (closed) Mobil goes away and the ‘eagle’ building across the street is apartments/condos.

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  76. “Roscoe Village is technically Lake View”

    Uh, no, it is NOT.

    ot unless you are crediting townships as mattering (for something other than taxes), in which case (as noted) Lake View is from North Ave to Devon.

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  77. The posters here are getting so acrimonious and testy, it’s like being on the Chicago Tribune comments sections. In fact it might be even some of the same posters.

    I’ve had enough of this for a while. I’m going to take a break. I’m going to find some cool Lake County localized site and post there and meet new friends, and maybe we’ll have some sort of holiday meet & greet, unlike the ability of anyone on here to met. Ciao!

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  78. “provided by Russ on Crib Chatter in 2010”

    He was distilling, revising, and restating the original usage, which was from sometime in 2008 (or maybe early 2009). I used it in June-09, in a context of a common understanding, and I was certainly not the originator.

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  79. “so acrimonious and testy”

    Sez the Ted Cruz of green zone discussions.

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  80. The greenzone is fluid and borders will certainly move over time. If it is a neighborhood with a significant number of $400k+ 2/2s, coffee shops, expensive trinket stores, SUV strollers, yoga pants, farm to table restaurants, etc then it is probably a Greenzone hood.

    We can debate about some of the areas on the fringe. IMHO, Lincoln Square is definitely greenzone, but Albany Park is not. Roscoe Village is most certainly greenzone. I’d say University Village is greenzone but Pilsen isn’t. Andersonville definitely is but not east of Broadway or north of Ridge or west of Ravenswood. Southern border seems to be expanding.

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  81. “I’m going to find some cool Lake County localized site and post there and meet new friends”

    Dooode there is nothing of the sort. And if you magically find a site it will be just as boring and soulless as the suburb it covers. There is a reason chicago is a destination and nobody on purpose plans a trip to lake county or any burb.

    there is a reason, half of the CC’ers are burbanites come here to lurk and participate. its because the burbs suck and there is nothing worth noting or conversating about. Nothing!

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  82. I agree with Russ. I’ll summarize it…
    A GreenZone neighborhood has:
    Neighborhood real estate priced for people with disposable income.
    Neighborhood ambiance that displays evidence of disposable income.
    Neighborhood amenities that seem to support the spending of disposable income.

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  83. there is a reason, half of the CC’ers are burbanites come here to lurk and participate. its because the burbs suck and there is nothing worth noting or conversating about. Nothing!

    Naperthrill’s Ribfest?

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  84. “Naperthrill’s Ribfest?”

    Yeah, i still never thought about it or even gone. its mostly city living burbanites that go to feel like home again. Dont see the appeal, we got great bbq in the city and even better street fests that i would rather give my money to.

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  85. Green Zone = anywhere suburban chains have taken roost to make the neighborhood look like it’s arrived. Must have the occasional mid- or high-end independent restaurant to give it some panache. Don’t forget to throw in the occasional festival that happens once a year to make it seem more thrilling.

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  86. Green Zone = Home of $44 bundt cakes (on clybourn).

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  87. BBQ in Illinois is quite sad for the most part, you want the good shit you have to go south

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  88. “BBQ in Illinois is quite sad for the most part, you want the good shit you have to go south”

    Oddly the best BBq i ever had was in california on the way to monterey. Second best was a tie houston/alabama. Third best in Atlanta.

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  89. You’ve not lived until you’ve had the bbq seitan at Blind Faith up in Evanston.

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  90. The best BBQ is always found in some parking lot shack that would never pass a restaurant inspection.

    Being from the south, I’ve found Chicago has a serious lack of quality:

    BBQ
    Biscuits
    Grits
    Fried Fish

    Smoque is pretty good. So is Chicago Q. However, a lot of are missing a certain Umami that is hard to describe. I just know it when some BBQ Jedi does it right and I’ve rarely seen it here in Chicago.

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  91. “is always found in some parking lot shack that would never pass a restaurant inspection”

    The fried fish you search for is in a shack by the calumet river. it probably was a 3 eyed fish that was glowing green at one point, but its darn tasty.

    also there was a grimey place in bronzville that closed like 10 years ago, it was like a harolds chicken knock off that all the food sucked but its fried liver and fried cod was insane. Your shoes stuck to the floor when you walked in, probably got shut down.

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  92. uncle john’s BBQ in Englewood closed down :(

    that was the only place in Chicago that I had that was even comparable to some of the real good spots like I’ve had in Memphis or Atlanta.

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  93. sonies – Head to Richton Park to Uncle John’s II, run by the godson of the original pitmaster of Barbara Ann’s and Uncle John’s. Or try Honey 1, which is closer (Bronzeville?), relocated from their Bucktown spot.

    Honey 1 BBQ, 746 E. 43rd Street, Chicago, IL

    Uncle John’s II, 5103 W. Sauk Trail, Richton Park

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  94. I’m gonna have to take a roadtrip! Tonight perhaps :)

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