3-Bedroom Duplex Penthouse with a Patio Sanctuary: 400 E. Ohio in Streeterville
This 3-bedroom duplex penthouse at 400 E. Ohio in Streeterville came on the market in July 2024.
400 E. Ohio was built in 1982. It has 182 units and attached garage parking.
It has door staff, a pool, and exercise room along with an outdoor deck with sitting areas.
This penthouse is a true penthouse with “awe-inspiring” vistas of Lake Michigan and the City.
There are herringbone wood floors throughout.
On the first floor is the living room, dining room, kitchen, and two bedrooms.
The eat-in kitchen is “chef-inspired,” crafted by Culinablu, with an induction cook-top, Miele steam oven and convection oven along with a wine fridge.
One of the bedrooms on the first floor is en suite.
A 2-story circular staircase takes you up to the 50th floor where there is the family room and primary suite.
The primary suite has views, a walk-in-closet, and a “brand new” primary bath with a multi-spray shower.
There are also THREE wood burning fireplaces, one in the living room, one in the second floor family room and one in the primary suite.
Off the family room is a private, 350 square foot roof deck with city views and landscaping.
The unit has the features buyers look for including central air, washer/dryer in the unit and 3 garage parking spots are available for $50,000 each.
400 E. Ohio is in the middle of Streeterville, near Ohio Street Beach, the Whole Foods, the AMC, other shops and restaurants and with easy access to the Mag Mile and multiple bus lines.
Listed in July 2024 for $1.695 million, it’s still listed at $1.695 million. That’s a $470,000 premium over the 2021 sales price of $1.225 million, but it does have a new primary bathroom.
At 3300 square feet, is this a single family home alternative?
Steven Powers at Century 21 SGR has the listing. See the pictures and floor plan here.
Unit #4901: 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, 3300 square feet, duplex penthouse
- Sold in October 1989 for $666,000
- Sold in August 2008 for $700,000
- Sold in June 2021 for $1.225 million
- Originally listed in July 2024 for $1.695 million
- Still listed at $1.695 million
- Assessments of $2583 a month (includes doorman, pool, exterior maintenance, scavenger, snow removal)
- Taxes of $17,867
- Central Air
- Washer/dryer in the unit
- 3 garage spots available starting at $50,000 each
- 3 wood burning fireplaces
- Bedroom #1: 25×16 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 17×12 (main floor)
- Bedroom #3: 16×11 (main floor)
- Living room: 22×24 (main floor)
- Kitchen: 22×12 (main floor)
- Dining room: 18×14 (main floor)
- Family room: 24×22 (second floor)
- Laundry: 8×3 (main floor)
- Deck: 350 square feet (second floor)
Nice unit for an OK building – very unique to have the outdoor space here
No mention of proximity to Eataly
The kitchen layout is terrible and the Livingroom should have the lake views not the Kitchen/Nanny Bedroom
Renovations were smart and look to be well done
Does any unit live up to your expectations, JohnnyU? You seem to dislike something about everything.
but the kitchen layout here is in fact terrible.
and it would be better if the LR faced the lake–but that was likely a step too far in relocating walls and plumbing. Would also be better if the terrace at least partly faced the lake–but certainly not practical to accomplish.
“Would also be better if the terrace at least partly faced the lake–but certainly not practical to accomplish.”
Pros and cons of both views. I prefer city views, as you know, so this is fine for me. I actually also really like how this terrace is mostly enclosed in some way. I would feel very secure sitting out here even on a windy day.
I think this type of penthouse terrace is somewhat rare in a high rise. Also seems really private. You can’t see your neighbors and they can’t see you.
“No mention of proximity to Eataly”
Because it isn’t near the Eataly.
I agree with Sabrina that ciry views are better than lake. The worst is where all you can see is lake so all you can see is blue nothing
“Because it isn’t near the Eataly.”
Does distance even matter when talking about the only place in Chicago you can get RAL San Marzano tomatoes?
I forgot waddling 1/2 mile is beyond the median CC’ers capabilities
“Does any unit live up to your expectations, JohnnyU? You seem to dislike something about everything.”
There’s been a few.
Should I not comment that the kitchen completely sucks, while complimenting the rest of the remodel?
“and it would be better if the LR faced the lake–but that was likely a step too far in relocating walls and plumbing”
The blame her goes to the Designer/developer not the owner(s)
“Pros and cons of both views. I prefer city views, as you know, so this is fine for me. I actually also really like how this terrace is mostly enclosed in some way. I would feel very secure sitting out here even on a windy day.”
This is not a lake only view. Look at the MBr pics, you have great lake and skyline views. Approx. 0.167% of buyers would choose the current view over the view from the MBr
“Pros and cons of both views.”
What’s the con to a *partial* lake view from a rooftop terrace?
4903 sold in Mar-23 for $1.1m, but can’t find any pix–appears from aerials to have not built out the terrace area. First sale since ’88.
I was in middle school in the early 80’s when this and similar buildings were being put up around town. Even then, they struck me as eyesores. The naked concrete exteriors make them look like the construction crew left without finishing the job. There are a couple of seriously hideous such high rises on the east side of Clark between Fullerton and Diversey built in the 80’s. I remember each of them being built because took the 36 Broadway back and forth from school each day.
“What’s the con to a *partial* lake view from a rooftop terrace?”
I don’t like lake views at night. This is just partial so it’s fine.
“Does distance even matter when talking about the only place in Chicago you can get RAL San Marzano tomatoes?”
Most people tend to shop in their own neighborhood. There is a Whole Foods a few blocks away.
Eataly would not be a selling point if I was marketing this condo. It’s not in the neighborhood.
“Most people tend to shop in their own neighborhood. There is a Whole Foods a few blocks away.”
Does Whole foods have REAL San Marzano tomatoes?
I seem to remember the Self Proclaimed Chicago Real Estate Expert ™ stating that the only place in Chicago that had REAL San Marzano tomatoes was Eatly.
Has this changed?
“It’s not in the neighborhood.”
The extra block means that it may as well not exist.
“The extra block means that it may as well not exist.”
Eataly is in River North. This building is in Streeterville. And yes, it’s a very different neighborhood. If it wasn’t anon(tfo) it would ALL be Streeterville. Or ALL be River North.
If you want to be near the Eataly, live in River North. It’s as simple as that.
And, yes, neighborhood matters. And amenities in those neighborhoods matter a lot too.
“Does Whole foods have REAL San Marzano tomatoes?”
Whole Foods has changed a lot of their product since Amazon took over and it has lost money for years. And now Jassy is making even more changes. They’ve gotten rid of a LOT of products they used to carry. Makes sense. All those SKUs were not making them anything. Have also moved their own 365 products in instead. Not sure what tomatoes WF carries anymore. And you have to check each location.
“If you want to be near the Eataly, live in River North.”
So, this would be a bad choice to be near Eataly?
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/535-N-Michigan-Ave-60611/unit-1016/home/18953353
“If you want to be near the Eataly, live in River North.”
And this would be better?
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/653-N-Kingsbury-St-60654/unit-1905/home/12687861
Or is being ‘near’ something actually only about physical proximity and/or walking distance, and the imaginary borders of neighborhoods don’t affect ‘nearness’?
“Whole Foods has changed a lot of their product since Amazon took over and it has lost money for years. And now Jassy is making even more changes. They’ve gotten rid of a LOT of products they used to carry. Makes sense. All those SKUs were not making them anything. Have also moved their own 365 products in instead. Not sure what tomatoes WF carries anymore. And you have to check each location.”
The Self Proclaimed Chicago Real Estate Expert ™ once opined that the only place to get REAL San Marzano tomatoes was Eatly. If this is true (and it must be coming from the Self Proclaimed Chicago Real Estate Expert(tm) ) Why would anyone believe that Whole Foods would have REAL San Marzano Tomatoes?
“If you want to be near the Eataly, live in River North. It’s as simple as that.”
Are people that dont live in RN excluded from shopping at Eatly or is it that you cant waddle 0.5 miles (or potentially less)?
You really pick some dumb arguments as a hill to die on
You really pick some dumb arguments as a hill to die on
Who is picking the argument here?
“Or is being ‘near’ something actually only about physical proximity and/or walking distance, and the imaginary borders of neighborhoods don’t affect ‘nearness’?”
If I’m listing a property in East Lakeview, do I talk about how you can walk to Lincoln Park Zoo from it? If I list a property in Lincoln Park. Do I say, “close to Wrigley Field”?
If I list a property in Streeterville, such as this one, do I point out that Holy Name Cathedral is nearby?
No. No to all three things.
Did you know that if your gym is more than a 5 minute ride/walk away you will end up not going there? I learned that once when working in the fitness industry.
“So, this would be a bad choice to be near Eataly?”
As we’ve discussed on this blog before, Michigan Avenue properties are strange. Those on the east side are Streeterville (technically). Those on the west are River North. But that’s why many realtors call those “on Michigan Avenue” because it’s really it’s own thing. You really want to live ON that road, or not.
If I were a realtor on this property at 535 N. Michigan, I would probably say its near the Streeterville Whole Foods and AMC movie theater and the River Walk and no, never mention the Eataly as it’s in the other neighborhood. Used to be able to say it was near the Foxtrot, but that has been blown up.
“Who is picking the argument here?”
Not picking an argument, more laughing at one the many Sabrina stupid and completely false statements that the only place in Chicago you could find REAL San Marzano tomatoes was Eatly. When shown that yes you can by certified SM Tomatoes, the she made up some BS about there’s only 1 hillside in Italy that REAL SM tomatoes come from
“If I’m listing a property in East Lakeview, do I talk about how you can walk to Lincoln Park Zoo from it? If I list a property in Lincoln Park. Do I say, “close to Wrigley Field”?
If I list a property in Streeterville, such as this one, do I point out that Holy Name Cathedral is nearby?”
If you’re less than 0.5 miles, why not?
Getting strong “Real” Bucktown vibes here
more laughing at one the many Sabrina stupid and completely false statements that the only place in Chicago you could find REAL San Marzano tomatoes was Eatly.
Who TF cares about some petty-azs argument you had with Sabrina months (years?) ago? You post about this ALL THE TIME. It’s so tiresome.
I know you probably don’t care what some stranger on the internet has to say, and perhaps you are a very decent and kind person in real life, but maybe consider reading some of your posts aloud before you hit submit.
“If I list a property in Lincoln Park. Do I say, “close to Wrigley Field”?”
No part of Lincoln Park is within 4 block of Wrigley, so that’s an absurd strawman.
Anyway, your stated contention is that something could be *literally* across the street, but if that street happens to be the imaginary neighborhood boundary, it’s too far away, and not an actual amenity for that location.
The apropos one using Wrigley would be “do you mention Wrigley for a Lake View East property near Addison?” LVE is a distinct hood, separate from Wrigleyville, so I would think you would say “no”, but bc it’s not a principled position…who knows?
“perhaps you are a very decent and kind person in real life”
No one believes that!
“Who TF cares about some petty-azs argument you had with Sabrina months (years?) ago? You post about this ALL THE TIME. It’s so tiresome.”
I enjoy it and its unfortunate that you find it tiresome.
““perhaps you are a very decent and kind person in real life”
No one believes that!”
Next I’ll be accused of stealing candy from children and kicking puppies
it’s across Indiana Illinois state lines so it would be accused of stealing and eating pets.
“Who TF cares about some petty-azs argument you had with Sabrina months (years?) ago? You post about this ALL THE TIME. It’s so tiresome.”
He’s a bully Madeline. Has been for a decade on this site. No way someone talks to people like that online and is “a very decent and kind person in real life.” But it’s kind of you to give him the benefit of the doubt.
“When shown that yes you can by certified SM Tomatoes, the she made up some BS about there’s only 1 hillside in Italy that REAL SM tomatoes come from”
As we’ve discussed, San Marzano tomatoes are rare. They are only grown in San Marzano and it must be certified. Clearly you are not someone who has traveled, JohnnyU. But you can watch Stanley Tucci’s travels in Italy where he visits one of the farmers who explains just how tiny the harvest is every year so when someone says their dish in a restaurant has San Marzano tomatoes in it, and they are in Tulsa Oklahoma, it likely does not.
Most other “San Marzano” tomatoes are not “real” ones and are labeled as such but they make them seem like they are (grown in California!). These are probably fine, for the average American cook. Real San Marzano tomatoes are quite special. It’s in the soil.
I would really like an apology.
https://www.eatingwell.com/article/8069277/san-marzano-tomatoes/
But the focus of Aufiero’s efforts on his 5,000-square-meter (1.2-acre) plot are the 8,000 San Marzano plants he puts in the ground every year, using a crude spike and his two gnarled hands. Which may be one reason you and other Americans feel a certain glow when you put a can labeled “San Marzano” in your shopping cart. Or why you can taste the particular tang of the volcanic soil and Campania sun in the luscious home-cooked pasta dish sauced with the iconic tomato.
Except, dear American consumer, that’s not really happening.
“Let me ask you this,” says Paolo Ruggiero. His family owns the canning and distribution company Gustarosso that buys Aufiero’s tomatoes. “In all of the region that is certified to grow San Marzanos, we produce about 4 million cans of tomatoes per year. There are about 5.6 million people in the region of Campania alone. How can it be possible that so many cans in America labeled San Marzano are actually from [the region of] San Marzano?”
It’s a good question, and one that confounds the 150 farmers that make up the cooperative supplying tomatoes to Gustarosso. Because when you add it all up, the total land under cultivation for certified San Marzanos is a scant 740 acres, each of them worked by nonnos and nonnas bent by years of hard but, to their minds, worthwhile labor. That the name San Marzano, a name that they work so hard to enshrine, is often spirited away and slapped on a can like the word “Kleenex” on a box of tissues, rankles, to say the least.
“He’s a bully Madeline. Has been for a decade on this site. No way someone talks to people like that online and is “a very decent and kind person in real life.” But it’s kind of you to give him the benefit of the doubt.”
No, I just call out bullshit
You dont like it and hate being challenged, especially after tipping a few
“Sabrina word salad”
1 – Your issue is with the Italian government
2 – DOP certification is the basis for “Real” San Marzano tomatoes
3 – Taking the OPINION of someone with a financial incentive to separate his product from others should be viewed in that light
4 – If you want to say that the Tomatoes from that hillside a better than other San Marzano tomatoes, fine. That doesnt change the fact that other Tomatoes are “Real” San Marzano tomatoes
In closing, you are wrong
One other point, your example is akin to someone saying the only real bourbon is Pappy’s 25YO and all other bourbons arent really bourbon, even though they meet all the requirements
“One other point, your example is akin to someone saying the only real bourbon is Pappy’s 25YO and all other bourbons arent really bourbon, even though they meet all the requirements”
There are 740 acres where the tomatoes are grown. That is it. You can grow San Marzano tomatoes, from seeds, in your backyard but they are not legit ones. They will not be grown in volcanic soil and will not taste the same. I can grow grapes in my backyard too, doesn’t mean I can make the equivalent of a Napa wine.
Most San Marzano tomatoes are not the “real” ones but they are fine for cooking in America. Eataly does import some of the “real” ones so I have gone there to buy them. But, perhaps, those may not even be the “real” ones.
The article indicates just 100 tons harvested and 20,000 tons sold in the US. That means nearly all of them in the US are not the true San Marzano tomatoes. Could also include those at the Eataly. I guess I will have to visit Italy to actually try the real thing. Lol. I wonder if the Eataly in Italy sells the real ones?
“4 – If you want to say that the Tomatoes from that hillside a better than other San Marzano tomatoes, fine. That doesnt change the fact that other Tomatoes are “Real” San Marzano tomatoes”
Clearly clueless about how food works. There are a lot of rules. You can’t call wine “champagne” unless the grapes are grown in the champagne region of France. But there are plenty of other sparkling wines out there.
There was just a fight about the naming rights on some kind of cheese, wasn’t there? Just looked it up and it was 2018. Spain and Mexico were fight over cheese labeling.
Also Mezcal. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/10/mezcal-producers-mexico-komil-liquor?CMP=share_btn_url
JohnnyU, you constantly bring up alcohol on this site. I think there’s more going on than meets the eye. I hope you have some friends you can reach out to.
“There are 740 acres where the tomatoes are grown. That is it. You can grow San Marzano tomatoes, from seeds, in your backyard but they are not legit ones. They will not be grown in volcanic soil and will not taste the same. I can grow grapes in my backyard too, doesn’t mean I can make the equivalent of a Napa wine.”
According to whom, Stanley Tucci? LOL
So you’re saying that the growers selling cans of DOP certified San Marzano tomatoes are committing fraud? Alert the authorities. This aggression will not stand, man
You trying to change the definition of San Marzano is an interesting choice
“Clearly clueless about how food works. There are a lot of rules. You can’t call wine “champagne” unless the grapes are grown in the champagne region of France. But there are plenty of other sparkling wines out there.
There was just a fight about the naming rights on some kind of cheese, wasn’t there? Just looked it up and it was 2018. Spain and Mexico were fight over cheese labeling.”
Jesus. The cans are DOP Certified.
The D.O.P Certification
To distinguish whether or not the “San Marzano Tomatoes” you are buying from your local store are truly authentic and from the precise region and the right strain of tomato, they are put through a rigorous certification process. This strict process is followed to protect the designation of origin rights so that when someone buys San Marzano Tomatoes they get what they expected. Similar to Champagne or Prosecco, it is about the region it comes from.
DOP Denominazioned’ Origine Protetta meaning Protected Designation of Origin. To receive the certification, tomato farmers must follow multiple, specific guidelines. Starting with the seeds of the tomatoes, they must date back to the original strain of San Marzano tomato. They cannot be genetically modified in any way. The tomatoes also must be grown in the Sarnese Nocerino area of Italy, with specific all-natural farming practices. They must be harvested at a specific point by hand when the size, shape and color are up to regulation. Lastly the tomatoes are peeled when packed and kept whole or cut in half but are not chopped or diced. They are packed into cans only and not into jars which helps to distinguish them from imitations. All the work that goes into these certified DOP tomatoes is the reason they are prized so highly. That is why many cans at your grocer may not have the official Italian certification stamps. They may not have wanted to go through all the different measures of certification, have GMO tomatoes, were grown in other parts of the world, or any number of other reasons. That is why the farmers that put in the effort to follow these guidelines want to have their products protected from being grouped in with tomatoes of lesser quality. (Read the full list of regulations here) Tomato producers that want to sell similar tomatoes may call them San Marzano or Italian Style tomatoes to distinguish them. These tomatoes are not truly from the Sarnese Nocerino area; commonly they are grown throughout the US or somewhere else in the world.
No one can be sober and this dumb
Like I said, there are certifications JohnnyU. We have covered this OVER and OVER and OVER again.
Eataly carries the certified tomatoes. Several people on this blog have said their local Whole Foods also carries them. You can look for the batch number on the jar. But the real ones are rare in the United States. There just isn’t enough being harvested for them to be sold all over Italy and the rest of Europe AND in nearly every grocery store in the United States. Most are grown other places, like California.
There are 519 Whole Foods in the United States. There are 45 Eataly stores worldwide. That’s a lot of San Marzano tomatoes if each store actually carries the real thing. They don’t.
“According to whom, Stanley Tucci? LOL”
You are gaslighting Stanley, Eating Well magazine, and all the farmers who have been growing the tomatoes for hundreds of years in 740 acres on the side of Mt Vesuvius?
I guess that’s all you CAN do when you keep trying to argue that the real San Marzano tomatoes aren’t grown on the side of a hill. They are. In a very small place.
You need to grow them in the volcanic soil to get the flavor.
All other San Marzanos are knock-offs. Again, you can produce sparkling wine in Sonoma but you can’t call it Champagne.
That certification is DOP. Period. It doesnt matter that they dont carry the Sabrina & Stanley Tucci seal of approval, because it doesnt mean a damn thing.
The cans you can buy at Caputos have the DOP certification, therefore you can buy Real San Marzano tomatoes at places other than Eataly. So you are wrong once again
Really, please get some help, you have this insatiable determination to try and prove me wrong is not normal. I’m occupying way too much of your head space for someone you’ve never met (God I hope you arent a jilted Ex-GF)
“You are gaslighting Stanley, Eating Well magazine, and all the farmers who have been growing the tomatoes for hundreds of years in 740 acres on the side of Mt Vesuvius?”
I am
Since they arent the ones that determine what a REAL San Marzano tomato are.
“All other San Marzanos are knock-offs. Again, you can produce sparkling wine in Sonoma but you can’t call it Champagne.”
Again, its not you that determines what is a REAL SM tomato. Thats done by the folks that issue the DOP. You can buy all the REAL DOP certified San Marzano’s you like at Caputos.
I’ll trust those forlks over the Self Proclaimed Chicago Real Estate Expert ™
Have you no shame?
“Since they arent the ones that determine what a REAL San Marzano tomato are.”
But they ARE. The farmers are the only ones who grow the tomato that gets certified. They can only be grown on those 740 acres. The certification verifies that they were grown in the Sarnese Nocerino region of Italy because the Italian government realized there were too many knock-offs, aka fakes, using the name. The certification makes sure you are getting it from one of those 740 acres.
Also, they cannot be diced and must be in a can, not a jar.
Most of the San Marzanos you see at the supermarkets are fake. They simply cannot grow enough for the 20,000 tons eaten in the United States alone versus the 100 tons that are harvested. But they are very fine tomatoes usually grown in some other part of Italy or California. They are fine for most Americans.
As has been discussed on this blog, some of the Whole Foods stores carry the legit ones with the certification in addition to the Eataly.
It is no different than Champagne, Napa wines, and other foods that use location on the labels. Food is strictly regulated so that other countries can’t make knock-offs.
“I’m occupying way too much of your head space for someone you’ve never met (God I hope you arent a jilted Ex-GF)”
You don’t live in Chicago and haven’t for 30 years so how could it be possible I’d be a “jilted” ex-girlfriend JohnnyU?
Sorry to hear you were a jerk boyfriend to some women out there.
“But they ARE. The farmers are the only ones who grow the tomato that gets certified. They can only be grown on those 740 acres. The certification verifies that they were grown in the Sarnese Nocerino region of Italy because the Italian government realized there were too many knock-offs, aka fakes, using the name. The certification makes sure you are getting it from one of those 740 acres.”
Farmers are not responsible. It’s a government agency that is responsible for deciding what gets certified
“As has been discussed on this blog, some of the Whole Foods stores carry the legit ones with the certification in addition to the Eataly.”
You are the only one who believes this incorrect bit of information
My #10 cans of Dell Alpe from Caputos have the DOP stamp, are they fake? Or are you lying again?
“ You don’t live in Chicago and haven’t for 30 years so how could it be possible I’d be a “jilted” ex-girlfriend JohnnyU?
Sorry to hear you were a jerk boyfriend to some women out there.”
I forgot you’re like 60, so your right it’s probably not possible that I would have dated someone that old
Opinions vary
“I forgot you’re like 60, so your right it’s probably not possible that I would have dated someone that old”
I’m 70 remember. Oh, and I was Joe Zekas.
This EU site:
https://www.qualigeo.eu/en/product/pomodoro-s-marzano-dellagro-sarnese-nocerino-pdo//#tab-ambiti-statistiche
Sez that in 2022 there were 16,769,356 KG (16,769 metric tons) of Pomodoro S. Marzano dell’Agro Sarnese-Nocerino PDO produced.
Looking at the older years production, that shows the ramp up that is also discussed…
here:
https://m.riunet.upv.es/bitstream/handle/10251/159375/Grandillo%20-%20ITALIAN%20TRADITIONAL%20TOMATO%20VARIETIES%3A%20A%20FOCUS%20ON%20THE%20CAMPANIA%20REGION.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
where 2015 production was 7,096 tons–and 4,440 tonnes in the can.
Also from this article: “Hillside areas are excluded because they are not irrigated [citation removed]”, contrary to the statement above of:
“I guess that’s all you CAN do when you keep trying to argue that the real San Marzano tomatoes aren’t grown on the side of a hill. They are.”
According to the Italian government and the EU, REAL “Pomodoro S. Marzano dell’Agro Sarnese Nocerino” canNOT be grown on the ‘side of a hill’.
“Sez that in 2022 there were 16,769,356 KG (16,769 metric tons) of Pomodoro S. Marzano dell’Agro Sarnese-Nocerino PDO produced.”
Thanks. This also proves my point that they don’t make enough to meet even the US market. Because we are eating basically the entire production. I guess not a single Italian ever eats them. Only Americans.
So, yeah, most of those in the supermarkets in America are fakes. The Centro tomatoes at my Whole Foods did not have the DOP on the side of the jar. They are grown “near” the region and are not the real deal.
But like I said, most Americans don’t know any difference and I’m sure the fake ones are fine as well. Still the same tomato, just different taste.
“So, yeah, most of those in the supermarkets in America are fakes. The Centro tomatoes at my Whole Foods did not have the DOP on the side of the jar. They are grown “near” the region and are not the real deal.”
So the Dell Alpe SM’s that I got at Caputo’s are fake?
For some odd reason you view Stan Tucci >> The certifying agency
Weird
“But like I said, most Americans don’t know any difference and I’m sure the fake ones are fine as well. Still the same tomato, just different taste.”
The people that cant tell are just buying canned tomatoes or “Italian style” Canned tomatoes. Those that can buy REAL SAN MARZANO Tomatoes from locations other than Eataly
With the mountain of evidence that shows you are 100% completely wrong, you really arent going to change your mind
Sad
“Those that can buy REAL SAN MARZANO Tomatoes from locations other than Eataly”
…or select Food Holes.
Places like Caputos, and for a short time, once, most year, Costco.
Literally no one is saying that there aren’t a ton of “SM-style” or similarly named non-DOP products out there, grown in non-DOP regions of Italy, or California, or China. Some may even have DOP on the label without the seal. There obviously are, and they probably outsell the DOP product in the US 10:1 or more.
But that has no bearing on the fact that bona fide DOP Pomodoro S. Marzano dell’Agro Sarnese-Nocerino are both cheaper and more widely available than has been asserted here on the CC.
“…or select Food Holes.
Places like Caputos, and for a short time, once, most year, Costco”
The original contention was only Eataly
Pretty sure you can even get them at Jewels