8-Bedroom Uptown “Mini-Mansion” Now A Short Sale At $699,000: 4527 N. Malden
We last chattered about this 8-bedroom vintage single family home at 4527 N. Malden in Uptown in March 2012.
See our prior chatter here.
Most of you loved the house but not the location (and a debate about part of Uptown resulted.)
Built in 1908 on an oversized 50×143 lot, it has most of its original architectural features intact including the original hardwood floors, stained glass windows, beamed ceilings, oakd and mahogany trim, pocket doors and a grand entry with an oak staircase.
The kitchen sports wood cabinets and white appliances.
5 of the bedrooms are on the second floor with the remaining three on the third floor.
There is also an unfinished basement.
Now officially listed as a short sale, and reduced to $699,000, who has the vision to restore this beauty of a home?
What will this end up selling for?
Andrew Gersten at Prudential Rubloff still has the listing. See the pictures here.
4527 N. Malden: 8 bedrooms, 4 baths, no square footage listed, 2 car garage
- Looks like it was last sold in July 1998
- Lis pendens foreclosure filed in March 2011
- Originally listed in May 2011 for $985,000
- Reduced
- Was listed in March 2012 for $845,000
- Reduced
- Currently listed as a “short sale” at $699,000
- Taxes now $7500 (were $5718 in March 2012)
- No central air
- Bedroom #1: 15×15 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 13×15 (second floor)
- Bedroom #3: 15×11 (second floor)
- Bedroom #4: 13×11 (second floor)
- Bedroom #5: 13×11 (second floor)
- Bedroom #6: 27×14 (third floor)
- Bedroom #7: 16×14 (third floor)
- Bedroom #8: 21×13 (third floor)
Wow – the molding and built-ins are spectacular. Plus, the backyard, decks, and garage all look to be good. This one doesn’t last, I bet it goes for full price. Now, I’m saying that not knowing anything about that exact location. However, the facade is great and it looks to be well taken care of. They don’t build em like this anymore. Someone that really appreciates the craftsmanship is gonna jump on it. I certainly would if I had the cash. Not much money to put into replacing the kitchen – tons of storage in the butler’s pantry & dining room. Goes for full ask, I bet.
Plus, look at those room sizes – elegant, all oversized for city standards, unlike the crap they put up now, designating a 10 x 9 as a BR. Really, I love this house.
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swannee-The location is VERY much the problem. The bank will still have issues selling this at 700k, Gotta get down towards 600k and then invest in a heavily armed security system.
heck, even the alderman in this hood has been ‘attacked’ twice in teh past two months.
There are some lovely homes and condos on this block (I think there’s a great, posh little bakery at the end of the block — Baker & Nosh — it would be dangerous to go there very often, since their croissants are amazing), but I wouldn’t want to own property there. Sheridan Park residents are very proud of their slice of Uptown, but the sketchiness bleeds in from Wilson Yard. Beautiful house with great potential, but it will take a certain buyer. Of course this would be a very hot ticket in a more desirable location.
“Crib Chatter’s 5th Anniversary is next week. Look for some special posts!”
so who has been commenting here since the beginning? Will long gone posters make special guest star appearances?
The hardwood looks mostly destroyed throughout, and I doubt that it’s got the thickness left for another refinishing. Too bad. I’d fear that what could be a beautiful house is not going to sell for a reasonable price and I doubt that anyone is going to be bringing this up to the standard it deserves. Too bad.
I’d have no problem living here if I could have a house like this in my price range, or even a slightly smaller, 4 bdrm for around $400K. My wife would actually love the reduced commute time for her though my would jack up a bit.
I live in uptown, near the lake and love it. This location, so close to the Wilson red line is a bit iffy. Although wilson EL is in the process of getting renovated and hopefully this will help get rid of some of the unsavory elements in uptown (the new alderman is also a definite plus towards making uptown more appealing!)
My sister and brother in law live next door in The (Bob Hope) Castle apartment building, their unit overlooks the backyard of this place, which is very nice looking. But new owners of this house would have to deal with those stadium-like viewers! This part of Malden is a very quiet, safe street, a cul-de-sac, and lots of cops patrolling that area near Malden/Wilson. Would I want to raise a family there? Hell no.
I used to live on the 4500 block of Ashland (the horror!). I like uptown generally, but the single family homes sprinkled around are so random – you’re surrounded on all sides by condos and apartment buildings, and generally a lot of people don’t stick around for more than a few years. If I’m buying a huge old single family house to raise the fam in, I’d want to be on a block with lots of other families with kids who are going to be there a while – this house and the area generally doesn’t have that vibe (or at least it didn’t when I lived there). Also the Wilson el stop is truly terrible, good to hear they are renovating it. I usually took the brown line at the Montrose stop.
People talk like this area is the worst place on earth. I guess I’ve lived here too long to be bothered as much by unsavory elements. They’ve never given me trouble.
Also, what is the concern about people looking down at your roof from the apartment building next door?If you live in a high-rise, with another across the street, I’d say that is less private. Let the rebuttals begin.
I’m in love with this house, shame its surrounded by shitty apartments in a not so great area of town
Bluestreak, definitely not the worst place on earth, but not an area where I’d want to buy a $700K home and then pump way more $ into it. This price is not dirt cheap by any means, even though the house has the potential to be a stunner. The school situation would be a challenge for families, too. It’s a huge house, so just a couple would kind of rattle around in there.
Would you feel as OK with the unsavory elements if you were a young woman (maybe you are, but I doubt it)? Or if you were pushing a stroller or going for walks with little kids? Going for a run after work on a dark winter day? Walking home from the el stop after going out on the town and having a few drinks? People don’t always want to change their lifestyles for safety/comfort reasons, even if it means they would get a gorgeous, heritage house.
I said that the block is pretty, there’s a nice bakery (great for coffee and pastry, bad for the waistline), and mentioned that there’s Sheridan Park pride from long-term residents. Those are real pluses. But there’s no denying the proximity to Wilson Yard, the dodgy el stop, and the like.
Funny story, When walking with a friend through this neighborhood and she was looking for places to rent, we saw a for rent sign at the building next store, 4529 N MALDEN St a very large 2 flat also for sale. We called the number and he wanted at the time 6K to rent a unit, and then just started rambling and grumbling over the phone, then this guy walked out on to the porch of 4527, and it was the guy, still growling at us over the phone. We kept walking by, and a woman came out of the castle and told us to “watch out for that guy”. I think he is a bit of a crazy person.
So do you snap this up at either this price or preferably lower and gamble that the neighborhood will improve, or do you wait until the neighborhood improves and then pay a premium for this type of house?
“I said that the block is pretty, there’s a nice bakery (great for coffee and pastry, bad for the waistline), and mentioned that there’s Sheridan Park pride from long-term residents. Those are real pluses. But there’s no denying the proximity to Wilson Yard, the dodgy el stop, and the like.”
“definitely not the worst place on earth, but not an area where I’d want to buy a $700K home and then pump way more $ into it.”
Exactly–As a former Sheridan-Parker who LOVED her Uptown vintage condo, there’s no way in hell I would pay that kind of $$$ for this beautiful house on this street. Also wouldn’t shell out $$$ for a SFH that was right next to a large apartment building in any neighborhood (GZ included)
“The school situation would be a challenge for families, too.”
Multiple private schools in relatively close proximity, whcih I know isn’t a cheap answer, but common.
Gorgeous house, and one of the reasons so many people are willing to take a chance on Uptown. There really is a huge inventory of wonderful old houses. But this part of Uptown is one of the nastiest pockets on the north side. I won’t enter this area even in the daytime anymore.
I believe the new alderman, Cappelman is a good and brave man who will make a difference and reverse a lot of the damage done by Helen Schiller, but he surely has his work cut out for him. I congratulate him on getting the fetid Lawrence House forced into receivership and sincerely hope some entity can buy it cheaply and spend the money necessary to gut it and turn it into market rate apartments or condos. But there remain at least 40 similarly blighted large apartment buildings and hotels. The blight is very entrenched around there.
You won’t enter Sheridan Park during the daytime? Really? That’s awesome.
Who needs to raise a fam in a place like this? There’s enough room for 3 hippee childless couples to share the mortgage…they LOVE the ghetto.
The 4500 block of Malden is NOT Sheridan Park. The 4500 block north is Wilson
This house is a couple of blocks from the epicenter of violence at Wilson & Broadway.
I won’t go north of Montrose or south of Lawrence.
Laura is in the upper echelon of cribchatter dumbasses. This is sheridan park, Laura. And if you’re afraid to walk through here during the day then you are absolutely beyond help.
I’m a woman who lives in Uptown. I walk my dogs at all hours. I get off the el after a few cocktails and walk home. I’ve toddled home from the Green Mill after imbibing and have never had a problem. I go for runs in the dark after work. I don’t feel unsafe here. But I’ve lived in urban environments all my life so it takes a lot to scare me. Others may not have as thick of a skin.
If I had the $$ I would negotiate down a little more and then buy it. Do people remember at one time Lincoln Park, Bucktown, Wicker Park were very sketchy/unsafe areas? Look where they are now…
I’ve been skeptical of Uptown for years but the new aldercritter seems to get it…the number of vacant buildings going market rate instead of sec 8 is telling. The “i’ve been hearing that for years” is a common reply to Uptown optimism but the game has clearly changed. The hood will remain rough for a few more years but anyone with a decent timeline should probably jump on this.
Laura is a Rogers Park booster who sees the writing on the wall…the gentrification train will be stopping at Uptown first and she’s bummed.
@ Icarus, I’m not enough of a gambler (esp. when I’d need to find yet more cash for private school), but, indeed, that’s the real question. The new alderman seems interested in taking action (though perhaps foolhardy), the new Wilson Yard Target seems to be doing OK (and isn’t too scary), Baker & Nosh is braving the area, and the Starbucks on Wilson seems to thrive.
I always thought the Sheridan Park area was from the 4400 block north (Montrose) to the 3800 block north.
Call me “dumbass” if you will, but there were daytime shootings every WEEK at the corner of Wilson & Broadway for a year and a half, until just recently. Innocent bystanders have been hit, like a young woman who took a bullet to her thigh while waiting for the Broadway bus with her young child in tow. When this started happening, I started avoiding the area. I can’t afford to be laid up for months on end and perhaps be permanently disabled, just to pick up a pack of socks or something at the Target.
One daytime shooting in a two-year period doesn’t mean a lot. But when it’s every single week, and there is known to be a three-way gang war over drug turf in the immediate area, a person with a normal sense of self-preservation might think about it before plunking down several hundred big ones for a house there. Most home buyers are very skittish about committing to “marginal” areas with far fewer problems than this nasty pocket.
Oh, and thanks for doing your particular part to maintain the level of civility on this site.
REALLY? That’s interesting because I used to live in Uptown and had no idea there were shootings on that corner every week for a year and a half. Curiously, evidence of 52 shootings a year at that intersection does not show up on crime tracking sites. Where are you getting this information?
Seriously people, if you are going to make claims about how sketchy a neighborhood is and you don’t live there or spend time there or have any firsthand experience, at least take the time to look up the crime stats before you make your over-the-top claims. Crime in Uptown is no worse than in Lakeview. And it is notably better than other GZ hoods like the South Loop. LOOK IT UP. Links to these stats have been posted plenty of times on this site before. Does anyone ever bother to read them?
“Call me “dumbass” if you will, but there were daytime shootings every WEEK at the corner of Wilson & Broadway for a year and a half, until just recently.”
3800-4400 in that area is two cemeteries, no homes.
“Crime in Uptown is no worse than in Lakeview”
So incorrect. Lakeview does not have the shootings Uptown/Whatever-Your-Park-of-Choice is notorious for. Hell, I remember lots of drama a couple years ago on Magnolia, which is one block away.
Anyone who shills for Uptown either lives there and doesn’t want the notoriety to spread, or an industry type that needs to move the inventory. I remember laughing in someone’s face when he said “No, we don’t work in Uptown — we work in CLARENDON PARK.” Yeah. Ok. Sorry darlin’, it’s Uptown, and no amount of positive loitering ever makes the Wilson stop comparable to Belmont or Addison, much less makes Broadway/Wilson comparable to Broadway/Wellington.
Just stop.
So it’s okay to refer to parts of lake owe as wrigleyville, boys town or even southport corridor…but uptown is one united homogenous neighborhood?
Lake view. Damn auto. Complete.
Also note this block of Malden is bifurcated — no doubt simply for the neighbors’ aesthetic pleasure. Why, it’s like living on your own cul-de-sac! Tres chic! After all, some of the north side’s most captivating blocks feature this: Alta Vista, Burling, Hawthorne — wait, they don’t? Well then YOU, lucky buyer, get to experience your own idyllic urban oasis!!!!
pssst don’t listen to those evil types that would tell you it was due to crime or drug trafficking. Heavens, NO!
“Icarus (September 1, 2012, 5:38 pm)
So it’s okay to refer to parts of lake owe as wrigleyville, boys town or even southport corridor…but uptown is one united homogenous neighborhood?”
Typically agents shy away from Boystown due to fair housing implications as it is not a recognized community area (not saying it doesn’t happen, but most never would).
The difference between sub-dividing Lakeview vs. Uptown is the clear intent. If you’re looking at Lakeview East vs East Uptown, Lakeview East holds no subdivision in neighborhoods, whereas every block in East Uptown does: Clarendon Park, Sheridan Park, Buena Park, Margate Park, et cet. You find nothing comparable in ELV or ELP. What happens with Uptown listings is similar to the “New Town” designation for Southeast Lakeview in the 80s when it was gentrifying/struggling.
You don’t hear of “New Town” anymore. Lakeview is Lakeview. SoPo and Wrigley (and even Wrigley is often dropped as it isn’t the hottest draw for a homeowner) are mere geographic indicators for the very large Lakeview area. Uptown’s are cynical placements to make it sound like something it isn’t.
No one is afraid of calling SoPo or Wrigley in Lakeview. No one wants “Sheridan Park” to also be Uptown. And, again, ELV holds no subdivisions as it isn’t necessary to create some fairy tale. It is what it is.
I swear, the Uptown zealots are some of the worst.
Uptown? Sketchy? Bwahahaha. What the hell is logan square then, the 7th circle of hell?
I lived at 4500 N Malden during my grad school days from 2005 – 2007. It was a nice quiet street and I really liked having the mall area on Sunnyside ave. I never had any trouble during my two years there, although crime seems to have increased since. There are a few nice old mansions on this street.
Please don’t forget that Laura L. is a CRAZY PERSON:
http://www.uptownupdate.com/2012/09/one-person-shot-dead-in-wilson-yard.html
And also keep in mind that this type of homicide is common in Lakeview East! Elitists! CHECK YOUR FACTS!
#snark
“You don’t hear of “New Town” anymore. Lakeview is Lakeview. SoPo and Wrigley (and even Wrigley is often dropped as it isn’t the hottest draw for a homeowner) are mere geographic indicators for the very large Lakeview area. Uptown’s are cynical placements to make it sound like something it isn’t.”
I disagree. Uptown is a HUGE area. It’s unfair to classify the entire area as “bad Uptown.” Does anyone refer to Andersonville as Edgewater? Nope. Ravenswood is in Uptown. Why call it Ravenswood then?
Southport only became Southport as a designation separate from Lakeview. If there was no need for it, it wouldn’t have it. But for some reason, calling it Lakeview wasn’t good enough.
Some neighborhood designations have a long history- like Sheridan Park and Margate Park. Southport, on the other hand, is a modern incarnation. It was used, in my opinion, simply to sell real estate.
Sabrina — of COURSE “SoPo” is meant to move housing inventory, but it’s because it’s a legit identifier rather than the bland “West Lakeview.” My original comment on this thread is how I’ve talked to people in the industry that honestly say “We’re [SUB-CATEGORY]. Not Uptown.” I’ve heard that point blank. No one pimping SoPo would shy away from Lakeview, whereas dozens would say “Buena Park” before they’d ever admit to Uptown. This is ESPECIALLY true of rentals; here is one example:
http://resideliving.com/community-detail.aspx?id=111&name=Reside%20on%20Clarendon
East Uptown is BARELY larger than ELV, and again: ELV holds no subdivisions. New Town is done. Belmont/Diversey Harbors are also archaic. Uptown agents and residents can be quite zealous in this regard that they are not crass “Uptown” but [Not-Uptown] Park. It’s a truism.
Ravenswood is a totally different animal. It is west of Clark and people acknowledge Ravenswood as genuinely different. I’m talking about places near the El, in East Uptown, where all the problems are.
“So incorrect. Lakeview does not have the shootings Uptown/Whatever-Your-Park-of-Choice is notorious for. Hell, I remember lots of drama a couple years ago on Magnolia, which is one block away.”
Boiztwn, the point of my post was that folks who make claims like this should check their facts first. So did you look up the crime stats for Uptown and Lakeview? Yeah, I didn’t think so. One anecdote does not a trend make. If it did, I would proceed to go on about how I got mugged in Lakeview a few years ago and two friends of mine have been held up at gunpoint there. But this really is not statistically relevant.
That said, no one is arguing these two neighborhoods are exactly the same. All I’m saying is that there are not now nor were there ever shootings on this corner every week and that you are not more likely to get shot in Uptown than in Lakeview. That appears to be a fact from every statistical analysis I have looked at.
That said, if you don’t like seeing people of color and/or homeless people on the street, then you probably do not want to live at this address. And yes, there are some crazies (albeit harmless ones, as far as I can tell) roaming the streets of Uptown It seems to me that some people just are not comfortable with this and that’s fine — everyone has the right to live where they are most comfortable. The problem is that instead of saying “this makes me uncomfortable” people say, “this neighborhood is unsafe” — probably because the latter statement seems more politically correct. But it’s not true.
I don’t live in Uptown, as my various posts about Andersonville, where I do live, will attest, I’m not trying to sell anything and I doubt most of the other Uptown enthusiasts here are either. When you have lived in a place and enjoyed it, liked your neighbors and local businesses, etc. and then you read people who don’t appear to know what they are talking about trashing the area on the net, it’s bothersome. That’s all. And if you happen to be a left-leaning type (which many Uptowners are), then it may also bother you that people seem to be afraid of the neighborhood based on appearances… and spreading that fear only serves to further divide the most segregated city in the country — something that personally bums me out.
“you are not more likely to get shot in Uptown than in Lakeview.”
That is incorrect, I think its time to bust out the anonies murderdex
The Index is murders since 2008 per 10,000 population based on 2010 census for each of the 77 Community Areas. The murderless at the bottom include population as a tie-breaker.
28.89 West Garfield Park
27.43 Burnside
24.79 West Englewood
23.00 Greater Grand Crossing
21.60 Riverdale
20.48 Washington Park
20.23 Englewood
19.93 East Garfield Park
15.98 Humboldt Park
15.71 South Chicago
15.59 North Lawndale
15.02 Roseland
14.59 Grand Boulevard
13.91 Fuller Park
12.92 Auburn Gresham
12.46 South Shore
11.92 Chatham
11.55 Woodlawn
11.27 Austin
10.79 West Pullman
9.82 Avalon Park
9.32 Morgan Park
9.27 South Deering
9.01 New City
8.63 Chicago Lawn
7.55 Washington Heights
7.06 South Lawndale
6.76 Oakland
6.52 Gage Park
6.52 Calumet Heights
5.65 Near West Side
5.29 Brighton Park
5.03 Lower West Side
4.80 Hermosa
4.39 Douglas
4.10 Pullman
3.84 McKinley Park
3.73 Archer Heights
3.36 Kenwood
3.16 Ashburn
2.98 Montclare
2.70 West Town
2.60 East Side
2.55 Rogers Park
2.33 Albany Park
2.32 Garfield Ridge
2.29 Avondale
2.12 Edgewater
2.10 West Lawn
2.05 Loop
2.04 Logan Square
1.66 West Elsdon
1.60 Uptown
1.56 Bridgeport
1.50 Irving Park
1.49 Armour Square
1.30 Clearing
1.19 Dunning
1.17 Hyde Park
1.14 Belmont Cragin
1.12 Near North Side
1.12 North Park
1.01 Lincoln Square
0.94 Near South Side
0.63 North Center
0.62 Lincoln Park
0.56 West Ridge
0.54 Forest Glen
0.50 Beverly
0.47 Portage Park
0.39 Jefferson Park
0.27 Norwood Park
0.21 Lake View
Oh, look who’s at the bottom…. Lake View!
““you are not more likely to get shot in Uptown than in Lakeview.”
That is incorrect, I think its time to bust out the anonies murderdex”
Um, “get shot” =/= “murdered”. Not even close.
“Oh, look who’s at the bottom…. Lake View!”
You’re defining bottom as bottom of areas that you care to list?
Sorry here’s the rest, I didn’t think anyone cared about those areas with no murders
0.00 Hegewisch (9,426)
0.00 Edison Park (11,187)
0.00 O’Hare (12,756)
0.00 Mount Greenwood (19,093)
“Um, “get shot” =/= “murdered”. Not even close.”
true but there is at least a correlation
or are you telling me most murders these days are not from guns?
“or are you telling me most murders these days are not from guns?”
All of them are from people. Or does Charlton Heston need to come back from the grave and kick your ass?
[yes, most homicides–at least in chicago–are committed with firearms. But the relevant comparison is: how many people not associated with gangbangers or drug dealers get shot in each neighborhood?]
So are you saying that you are less likely to get shot in uptown than lakeview? I don’t see the point you’re nitpicking (again)
“So are you saying that you are less likely to get shot in uptown than lakeview?”
Me, personally? Yeah, I’m saying that, but that’s based on time and location patterns (ie, I might be in LV at bar close, and I’m highly unlikely to be at Kenmore & Leland after dark), which isn’t very relevant.
I’m also saying that the homicide rate has a correlation, but is not an actual rebuttal, regarding the change of getting shot. It’s better than pure anecdote, but not far enough.
“Uptown? Sketchy? Bwahahaha. What the hell is logan square then, the 7th circle of hell?”
Exactly.
“But the relevant comparison is: how many people not associated with gangbangers or drug dealers get shot in each neighborhood?”
Now you’re just being realistic.
“kp (September 6, 2012, 10:35 am)
That said, if you don’t like seeing people of color and/or homeless people on the street, then you probably do not want to live at this address.”
Pull the race card with me darlin’, and I have NO damn interest in anything you say, much less will waste my time with a rebuttal. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Truly sorry if I appeared to be accusing you of being a racist, which was not my intent. I only meant that part of my impulse to defend Uptown is rooted in a sense that when people avoid Chicago’s more diverse neighborhoods based on fear, it only increases segregation.
“Pull the race card with me darlin’, and I have NO damn interest in anything you say, much less will waste my time with a rebuttal.”
Thanks, Sonies. These stats are interesting and not irrelevant to the discussion, even if they don’t directly refute my point. They don’t correlate with the numbers I’ve seen on CPD’s crime map, but then I was looking at overall crime in more specific areas, including shootings, not just murders — and mostly in 2007 and 2011 (the years I was house hunting).
Taking your numbers at face value, do you really think that a murder rate of .00843% per year (if I’m reading the numbers correctly) for an entire neighborhood jibes with the claim that there were shootings every week on a particular corner of that neighborhood? this still seems like a huge stretch to me but again, I’d encourage anyone who’s interested to just look up that intersection on the CPD crime map:
http://gis.chicagopolice.org/CLEARMap/startPage.htm#
More importantly, your stats show that the murder rate is higher in the Loop, Edgewater, and Logan Square, and my previous research showed much higher overall crime rates in areas like Near North and South Loop. So why aren’t people afraid to set foot in those areas as they seem to be in Uptown? Feedback on this would be appreciated — I’d really like to understand the thinking behind it.
Another interesting resource is the CPD’s annual report, which provides a breakdown of crime stats by neighborhood. (https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/News/Statistical%20Reports/Annual%20Reports/10AR.pdf)
The most recent report is from 2010, which is also a little dated, but here’s what it tells us:
Murders: 4 in Uptown, 1 in Lakeview. So Lakeview does indeed win that contest. There’s no category for shootings, but Lakeview did beat Uptown in the category of aggravated battery in 2010 — 82 to 94 (not a huge difference IMO). But in most categories of crime, Uptown fared better by a significant margin. For example:
CRIMINAL SEXUAL ASSAULT
Uptown: 19
Lakeview: 37
ROBBERY
Uptown: 164
Lakeview: 277
BURGLARY
Uptown: 222
Lakeview: 501
THEFT
Uptown: 1258
Lakeview: 2946
TOTAL CRIMES
Uptown: 2001
Lakeview: 4142
The chances of an innocent civilian being murdered in either of these neighborhoods is so slim, it’s really not worth worrying about in my opinion. (We are much more likely to die in a car accident, but that doesn’t stop us from driving.) Crimes like theft and burglary are roughly 1000 times more common, and therefore much more likely to affect you.