From “Not Habitable” To Vintage Beauty: 2633 N. Central Park in Logan Square
This 3-bedroom Victorian at 2633 N. Central Park in Logan Square was in dire straits in November 2010.
It was bank owned and the listing called it “not habitable.”
It listing said it needed “to be rehabbed and brought back to life.”
It had some of its vintage features including trim, original hardwood floors and built-ins.
But as you can see from the pictures in the bank owned listing- it needed a lot of work. See those pictures here.
The house sold in February 2011.
It came back on the market in June totally rehabbed and now listed as a “once in a lifetime”.
The house was built in 1878 and is on a rare double lot of 50×125.
In addition to the original pine hardwood floors, it has leaded glass windows, oak moldings and an antique fireplace.
The house has a new roof, siding, heat, a/c, electric, plumbing and garage.
The kitchen has white cabinets (white is in!), stainless steel appliances and what looks like butcher block counter tops (which we rarely see.)
The basement is still unfurnished.
All 3 bedrooms are on the second floor and there is a 13×14 family room on the main level.
The house has air conditioning.
Is this a deal?
David Bishaf at David Bishaf Real Estate Broker has the listing. See the current pictures here.
2633 N. Central Park Avenue: 3 bedrooms, 2.5 baths, 2200 square feet, 2 car garage
- There is no prior sales price
- Originally listed in November 2010 for $99,000
- Bank owned in December 2010
- Sold in February 2011 for $162,500
- Originally listed in June 2011 for $489,000
- Currently still listed for $489,000
- Taxes of $4692
- Central Air
- Bedroom #1: 12×12 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 13×10 (second floor)
- Bedroom #3: 14×8 (second floor)
- Family room: 13×14 (main level)
I like that they preserved the “original hardwood floors, leaded glass windows, oak moldings and antique fireplace”
I do not like that they didn’t put a decent porch on the front and the garage could have been built better — perhaps a 3 car and/or with a deck or something.
I’m guessing its because they had to spend their money wisely and most of it went to the “NEW tear-off roof & Siding; all NEW Heating & AC systems. NEW Kitchen and Baths; NEW Electric & Plumbing”
Yikes–horrible curb appeal and on Central Park. And they want almost $500k? I’m a fan of LS and I couldn’t see this going for more than $300k…well, it might for for higher, but I don’t think it’s worth any more than that and quite likely it’s worth much less.
Who on earth would want to buy a home in a gang infested neighborhood? This neighborhood has a lot of gangs and a lot of people who don’t do their homework will get burned. I know people who moved by Armitage and Pulaski thinking “it’s an up and coming neighborhood” and now four years later they keep saying that.
I don’t know if it’s a “deal,” but it doesn’t seem that far off from reality. Not finishing the basement will probably turn some folks away.
Interesting contrast with the Spaulding property you posted yesterday – this is in a worse location, but has a double lot. Very funny (just to me) as we had weighed our current double lot property with a nicer home on this block and decided the double lot was a better buy, this is kind of the opposite situation.
Vinyl? Really?
As much as I *hate, hate, hate* asphalt roll “siding” (hate it a lot), I think the exterior looked better before.
Kitchen isn’t well laid out, but would be hard without moving walls and/or completely re-running plumbing b/c of the d/w.
Odd location on the 50′ lot–makes it seem not as wide.
Cleaned up nicely, but seriously, a half mil for this ‘hood? Good luck with the appraisal
Nimesh, visit the block, it’s considerably nicer than Armitage and Pulaski (that might be the understatement of the day, actually).
Looks like a polished turd to me. Probably bare minimum renovation, wouldn’t touch it.
“Nimesh, visit the block, it’s considerably nicer than Armitage and Pulaski (that might be the understatement of the day, actually).”
Very true.
Icarus and anon (tfo) called my thoughts exactly! It is a nice looking house and not horribly overpriced IMO, but the lack of a porch and that horrid vinyl siding would never allow me to get through the front door. Why rehab a house and give it no curb appeal at all?
Just looking at “comps” on redfin and saw this. These guys are everywhere. Looks like they made out on this one too.
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/3139-W-Lyndale-St-60647/home/17557187
With the exception of Anon(tfo) and his asphalt roll siding (I’ve always wanted to know what that nasty siding was called), you are all idiots and have no idea what you’re talking about.
What do you expect from a 100 year old house? The city is full of these old homes and you have to make significant price concessions because those bells and whistles require serious time/labor and money. You’re better off tearing the place down and building anew, but then it would be prohibitively expensive for the area.
The ““NEW tear-off roof & Siding; all NEW Heating & AC systems. NEW Kitchen and Baths; NEW Electric & Plumbing”” costs serious money and effort. those are major changes. Now you’re complaining the basement isn’t finished out? The kitchen has an odd layout? The attic doesn’t have enough dormers?
I’ve been looking at a house that’s 100 year old. It’s only 1,700 sq ft. In the over 100 years the house has been around no one has bothered to put more electrical outlets, expand the kitchen, put on an addition, or finish the basement or attic. Yet today cribchatters are all up in arms because these seemingly modern conveniences aren’t retroactively (at great expenses too) incorporated into our 100 year old housing stock.
And furthermore, in case you didn’t notice, the developer removed the paint off the trim in the front room. Do you know how difficult and time consuming and tedious it is to remove 60 yeras worth of white paint off 100 year old trim? And yet they did it and it looks gorgeous.
* vinyl siding on victorians is ug ug ugly. It’s practially mortal sin, however, at this price point, I don’t see it being practical, and using something like maibec rabbeted bevel siding would have been truer to the style but cost prohibitive.
In short, this is a ‘what you see is what you get’ sort of deal. It will sell quickly near the ask.
3139 W Lyndale: That house they build has only a partially finished basement. That’s how they can afford to sell them sub-$500k. Everyone on this board thinks they should have 3,600 sq feet of high end finishes, with a finished basement and attic, and a yard, dual zoned climate control, etc, all for $500k. It ain’t ever going to happen. The building costs or renovation costs are way too high to even do it at that price point.
It’s truly amazing what paint can do.
“Just looking at “comps” on redfin and saw this. These guys are everywhere. Looks like they made out on this one too.”
I would guess that the over-ask amount is related to “upgrades” from spec–it’s another one where the exterior pic, at least, is of another property.
“3139 W Lyndale: That house they build has only a partially finished basement. That’s how they can afford to sell them sub-$500k. Everyone on this board thinks they should have 3,600 sq feet of high end finishes, with a finished basement and attic, and a yard, dual zoned climate control, etc, all for $500k. It ain’t ever going to happen. The building costs or renovation costs are way too high to even do it at that price point.”
Well, and the fact that those houses are only 2400 sf helps. I’m *sure* they could scale it up to 3600 sf at the same $psf (ie, ~$625k). They’d make *more* profit, too, as the land cost would remain the same.
Only way for 3600 sf of new/gut reno’d (with nice finishes) SFH space under $500k in the city is if land cost is basically zero, or labor costs drop a lot.
homedelete, that the developer went through the hassle of stripping the woodwork goes to my point. If they were flipping this for profit, why not just paint over it again? If they were doing it right, like they did there, why the vinyl siding and lack of a front porch?
I’m fine with quick rehabs for cash, but when it is done, but they do a few nice things and don’t go the rest of the way, I feel shortchanged.
“Yikes–horrible curb appeal and on Central Park. And they want almost $500k? I’m a fan of LS and I couldn’t see this going for more than $300k…well, it might for for higher, but I don’t think it’s worth any more than that and quite likely it’s worth much less.”
Agree 100% with everything said here.
I am all for flippers renovating old structures in Logan Sq, but they need to understand the potential buyers limits and adjust their costs/sales price accordingly.
should Homedelete change his name to HomeInsert?
“I would guess that the over-ask amount is related to “upgrades” from spec–it’s another one where the exterior pic, at least, is of another property.”
Their delta from land cost also seems higher for a property where they didn’t need to tear down. Also, a different selling realtor from usual, which seems bit odd.
“Well, and the fact that those houses are only 2400 sf helps”
That includes basement? If so, where are they cutting back on space? If you compare to a 2flat conversion, seems like the second bed in 3139 lyndale (there’s a floor plan as you may have seen) is a bit smaller, but otherwise they’ve got 3 bed, 2 bath up.
“Do you know how difficult and time consuming and tedious it is to remove 60 yeras worth of white paint off 100 year old trim? And yet they did it and it looks gorgeous. ”
Yea, it sucks to DIY, but if you getting paid it’s just another job. Does not cost a fortune. Might as well complain about having to paint walls.
benjamon – of you feels shortchaned. WOuld you be willing to pay an extra $15,000 for a deck? or how about an extra $30,000 for clapboard or wood siding? There are an infinite number of things the builder could do and it appears to have chosen to do somethings really well, and cut corners on others to keep it at an afforble and conforming limit price point.
3139 w lyndale:
Executed Recorded Document Type Amount
06/09/2011 06/17/2011 MORTGAGE $377,100.00
12.5% down. That’s how people do it. They put down ~$50k on a $430,000 house. I have $50k liquid right now and many others do too. The question is how many people are willing to take on the $377,000 mortgage? PITI it’s roughly $2,400 a month. If that’s roughly a 1/3rd of gross income, all that’s required is an income of $86,000. That’s your typical middle class household. One parent is a teacher, the other a secretary, each making $43,000 a year. These are bottom pricing.
“With the exception of Anon(tfo) and his asphalt roll siding (I’ve always wanted to know what that nasty siding was called), you are all idiots and have no idea what you’re talking about. ”
Hey I may be an idiot — i do hang out at an annoymous website that chats about realty in chicago until it segways into a discussion about corn husks or stock market — but i did point out that these renovations are costly and probably ate through the budget.
OK Icarus, I’ll give you credit too.
The vinyl siding alone makes this a no for me.
regarding the stripping of the trim versus cutting corners on the rehab
1) most rehabs have several things going on at once. While a crew was working on the roof, someone else might have been working the trim while someone else was down in the basement installing a new furnace. At some point the money probably ran out and they decided to finish up as quickly as possible.
2) judging from the old photos only a few of the boards were painted white — they might have just replaced those boards with new ones that matched the existing base boards.
“That includes basement?”
Yes. From the plan (which I hadn’t seen, at least this time), the foot print is ~45×18, which is 810 sf/floor.
“If so, where are they cutting back on space? If you compare to a 2flat conversion, seems like the second bed in 3139 lyndale (there’s a floor plan as you may have seen) is a bit smaller, but otherwise they’ve got 3 bed, 2 bath up.”
1. Width is limited by 25′ lot–max exterior dimension is 20′, bc side setbacks must total 20% of lot width for SFHs. Some older buildings have smaller side setbacks.
2. It’s short–sub-50′ is pretty short. New, big, houses are often ~70′ deep. Lots of two-flats, including enclosed rear porches, are ~60, which adds almost 200 sf per floor.
3. The bigger houses lie about their usable interior space all.the.time.
I fully agree, this was done to achieve a certain price point, but then don’t strip the wood IMO. I would think the people that will appreciate that it was done are generally the people that will pay for it.
“until it segways”
Heh. Love that one.
Has anyone noticed the re-architecting of cities that the Segway was promised (by Mr. Apple) to bring us?
“then don’t strip the wood IMO.”
Maybe I’m blind today, but I’m missing where there is an old pic of the front room with painted trim. Someone help me out.
“but then don’t strip the wood IMO.”
Actually, HD claims the front room was stripped, but if you look at the before pics it looks like it wasn’t painted in the first place. The pics suck so it’s hard to make out, but the wood that is easily visible is not painted in that area.
again, where do all of you guys live? i would bet that I live in a nicer place than anyone here – but I also understand that not everybody can afford to do so – so why bash a property because it isn’t in the “best” neighborhood or because it doesn’t have the “best” exterior. The price reflects that (and before you attack me and state that you guys think that it is overpriced, do the comps – just because it is your opinion that it is overpriced doesn’t make it true). A band of idiots is what you guys are….
The siding a big mistake…I’ve seen habitat homes with better siding…it really takes the charm out of the vintage. Also, marble kitchen floors are a mistake…this is a home for a family. One dropped glass of koolaid ruins that floor. I would assume the basement leaks otherwise the flipper would have finished it as basement playrooms appeal to families looking for a house like this.
I don’t know what you guys are talking about…they didn’t strip any woodwork, which is quite clear from the before and after. And there’s no reason that they would do that, since a lot of people like white painted woodwork (such as Sabrina, though I strongly prefer natural woodwork).
“but I also understand that not everybody can afford to do so – so why bash a property because it isn’t in the “best” neighborhood or because it doesn’t have the “best” exterior. The price reflects that (and before you attack me and state that you guys think that it is overpriced, do the comps – just because it is your opinion that it is overpriced doesn’t make it true). A band of idiots is what you guys are….”
Not everyone can be as smart as you clio, yet you continue to bash everyone else for being idiots.
The irony, it buuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Depends on the wood. Oak? Leave it natural. Crappy pine? Slap it on!
“And there’s no reason that they would do that, since a lot of people like white painted woodwork (such as Sabrina, though I strongly prefer natural woodwork).”
OOPS! My bad, the trim on the second floor turret is painted but it’s not painted on the first floor turret. I confused the two pics. SORRY!!
http://img.urbanre.com/propertyimage/full/07685315/6342681954/2633-N-Central-Park-CHICAGO-IL-60647-6.jpg
Clio, here are the SFHs on Central Park between Fullerton and Diversey that have sold in the past 24 momths:
MLS # Status Street Number Compass Point Street Name Street Suffix Area Search Price # Rooms Bedrooms – All Levels Total Full/Half Baths
07672716 CLSD 2737 N CENTRAL PARK AVE 8022 58000 7 4 2
07685315 CLSD 2633 N CENTRAL PARK AVE 8022 162500 7 4 3
07804568 CLSD 2737 N CENTRAL PARK AVE 8022 268000 6 3 2.1
07394148 CLSD 2617 N CENTRAL PARK ST 8022 350000 7 4 2
07471069 CLSD 2541 N CENTRAL PARK AVE 8022 380000 8 4 1.1
This place doesn’t come close to 2617 or 2541. In fact, I think the best thing this place has going for it is the double lot. Otherwise, it’s way overpriced.
“Depends on the wood. Oak? Leave it natural. Crappy pine? Slap it on!”
I meant no reason that a flipper would strip woodwork.
2617: http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2617-N-Central-Park-Ave-60647/home/13444867/mred-07394148
The photos are no longer available, but I remember this going on the market and thinking it had great curb appeal and nice interior. I would not be interested in living on Central Park, but this place is a lot more charming and it sold for $350k over a year ago.
“A band of idiots is what you guys are….”
That’s just your opinion, clio, so wrong again, of course. That’s to be expected, since you are a verified idiot when it comes to real estate. I mean, what moron would bet that June 2011 sales would exceed the d4d deadline juiced volume of June 2010? Nobody I know of except for you.
“The irony”
It’s there in every. single. post.
Gotcha. Having done this, I concur – it is a lot of work.
“I meant no reason that a flipper would strip woodwork.”
Clio: if everyone here is so damn stupid and you are so damn smart (and rich and, I assume, handsome, hung, funny, worldly and wise), how did you manage to get the comps for this property so wrong?
Is it possible you aren’t infallible? Do you really make mistakes? I simply can’t accept that. My world is crashing down around me.
Remember the modern place on Race in Uk. Village? It went up for sale again (after they fixed the mold/water issues).
http://www.movoto.com/il/2223-w-race-st-chicago/461_07803174.htm
Now it is $759K (I think it sold for a couple’a hundred thousand less).
“Now it is $759K (I think it sold for a couple’a hundred thousand less).”
Redfin sez $680. With a $544k mortgage.
“Now it is $759K”
For a short lot across from a school playground and backing up to an alley shared with Grand Ave businesses, no less.
“I know people who moved by Armitage and Pulaski thinking “it’s an up and coming neighborhood” and now four years later they keep saying that.”
who in the heck was that daring enough to buy there????? and are the allowed to cut their own meat?
seriously i have almost been shot in the dino and nicks parking lot more times than i care to explain. one time i had to run into the porn store for cover. that area was never even close to up and coming this is an insane remark.
on that note i have a taste for guy’s pizza
“again, where do all of you guys live? i would bet that I live in a nicer place than anyone here”
beauty eye beholder thang, i bet most people would say my house is nicer than your Oak brook crap shack. but hey i dont go on the internet bragging about it.
and also my appendage is adequate so i only need to drive a hyundai.
yeah, standing outside of Weegee’s you can actually see 3 blue light cameras, to the east, west & north.
“seriously i have almost been shot in the dino and nicks parking lot more times than i care to explain. one time i had to run into the porn store for cover. that area was never even close to up and coming this is an insane remark.”
dang, I shouldn’t have ditched the Civic for an Accord, no wonder I get mocking looks now.
“and also my appendage is adequate so i only need to drive a hyundai.”
So I just had to take the long way home and drive by this property (Groove, I should have checked with you on good places to eat).
First, I understand why they didn’t do anything about the porch. The existing cement porch ain’t broken so no need to fix it.
Second, this part of Central Park is too busy of a street compared to it’s more north parts — I wouldn’t want to live on a street with that much car traffic.
If you would quit tagging up Dino’s wall, he would probably be less inclined to take out the 12-gauge on you.
“seriously i have almost been shot in the dino and nicks parking lot more times than i care to explain.”
Brown Sack is the obvious choice…
“good places to eat”
“So I just had to take the long way home and drive by this property (Groove, I should have checked with you on good places to eat)”
is guys pizza still there? if so its worth a quick slice stop in.
moved 2 blocks out. so not even worth it for nostalgic purposes 😉
“moved 2 blocks out. so not even worth it for nostalgic purposes”
what about the mexican grocery store the a block east, they had the best tortas and ecuadorian tamales in the city?
I don’t know about Chris M’s 300, but they’re not even in the ballpark right now. I’m gonna say $350 in mid-2012, only because there always seems to be a buyer for turnkey sub-400 houses in non-Roseland-type-hoods, no matter what.
not sure if i know the one you’re talking about. on North?
“what about the mexican grocery store the a block east, they had the best tortas and ecuadorian tamales in the city?”
I was going to say lower 400s, but a conversation with our financial advisor over lunch has me wondering about everything, he’s pretty concerned about larger blowback related to the debt ceiling/overall health of the economy and the stock market.
That’s what we get for going with a Swiss national – curse them and their worldly ways.
“I don’t know about Chris M’s 300, but they’re not even in the ballpark right now. I’m gonna say $350 in mid-2012, only because there always seems to be a buyer for turnkey sub-400 houses in non-Roseland-type-hoods, no matter what.”
also, as far as “up and coming” goes…
it’s obviously not something that’s gonna show drastic changes in 4 years, but i’m on record here on CC saying that if you wanna throw some small bets on on neighborhood appreciation, this general area of LS/HP/whatever is as good a wager as any.
But then you’d be buying something cheap to hold, not this vinyl-sided awkward reno.
“not sure if i know the one you’re talking about. on North?
“what about the mexican grocery store the a block east, they had the best tortas and ecuadorian tamales in the city?”
For the life of me i am blanking, it was on spaulding and north. the name was in a blue flattened oval in white i want to say it started with a “b”.
for some reason i am thinking bedolla foods?
dunno but i will be looking for it and hopefully trying their tamales!
“dunno but i will be looking for it and hopefully trying their tamales!”
there used to be a awesome Honduran restaurant on armitage around 2000 that had some good ones too. also pueblito veijo on lincoln and foster have some awesome colombian ones.
one thing about all those tamales they are nothing like the Mexican version.
You guys shouting “gang infested” crack me up. By your definition everywhere not called Lincoln Park or River North is gang infested. You are the types afraid to go South of around 16th.
“By your definition everywhere not called Lincoln Park or River North is gang infested.”
No, they’re the worst, bc the gangs are flash-mobbing and raping and pillaging where the rich peopel are!!!
anon – did someone hack into your computer or is something weird going on in your life? – your posts are very very different today when compared to the past couple of years….you’re losing it
“.you’re losing it”
Still having reading comp issues, i see.
And, I am impressed that you are even better than the former Senate majority leader at offering diagnoses based on plainly insufficient evidence.
Tho, you are right that I must be losing it (whatever it is), as this response makes abundantly clear.
This part of LS really isn’t that bad, certainly not hardcore gangland but lacks the charm of areas east and feels a little dingy. It isn’t too far from the Logan stop which is a plus and I’d probably price the area similar to non-Buena Park Uptown.
Armitage and Pulaski is a different animal, rougher, further from the nice blocks and much further from the blue line. The potential of this area is limited to none.
I understand vinyl siding isn’t the “top shelf” option, but you folks need to understand that if installed properly & with some basic insulation underneath it’s still far, far better than that asphalt crapola. It’s not just the money savings (which we noticed immediately) for lower energy bills, it’s living comfort, the temperature doesn’t fluctuate as much when your conditioned air is in a constant state of flux.
“But then you’d be buying something cheap to hold, not this vinyl-sided awkward reno.”
“if installed properly & with some basic insulation underneath it’s still far, far better than that asphalt crapola.”
I was only talking about appearance, and based only on the pic. This house, imo, looks worse with the vinyl than it did with the asphalt crapola.
Anon (tfo) or anyone who knows:
Would the asphalt crapola a.k.a. Asphalt roll siding provide insulation such that the vinyl is probably just placed on top of it?
“Anon (tfo) or anyone who knows:
Would the asphalt crapola a.k.a. Asphalt roll siding provide insulation such that the vinyl is probably just placed on top of it?”
any new siding now has a layer of tyvek under. and with insulation its not about whats “wraping” the house its about were the joints are and if the are properly sealed. i.e. around windows, corners, adjoining pieces.
most vinyl jobs consist of throwing tyvek over the asphalt then the vinyl over that. some better vinyl will have a insert/pad/foam thing on the back of the vinyl but not as insulation more as to keep critters and insects from nesting in the grooves.
Nesting in the groove, distinct from nesting with the Groove.
Really? I guess I just really hate the asphalt stuff, it’s usually in really bad condition when you look closely at it. In our case we had these old shingles, and we did indeed just do the tyvek wrap right over it + vinyl. Looks good to me, but I ain’t fancy.
“I was only talking about appearance, and based only on the pic. This house, imo, looks worse with the vinyl than it did with the asphalt crapola.”
Very true. When we do our rehab we’ll be filling the gaps in the walls to help address any of these weak points that tyvek/siding didn’t address. I just have this suspicion that the existing newspaper “insulation” isn’t really cutting the mustard. Yes, we actually have crumpled up newspaper in the walls, beyond it’s near-worthlessless for insulation purposes (maybe what, R-1/10?) it’s probably a friggin’ fire hazard to boot.
“any new siding now has a layer of tyvek under. and with insulation its not about whats “wraping” the house its about were the joints are and if the are properly sealed. i.e. around windows, corners, adjoining pieces.”
“Nesting in the groove, distinct from nesting with the Groove.”
LOL!
[insert a TMI inappropriate groove story here]
“Really? I guess I just really hate the asphalt stuff, it’s usually in really bad condition when you look closely at it. In our case we had these old shingles, and we did indeed just do the tyvek wrap right over it + vinyl. Looks good to me, but I ain’t fancy.”
Just on this particular house. I hate the asphalt, too, and think the vinyl looks much, much better on a squarer house–mostly I think it looks bad on the turret.
“I just have this suspicion that the existing newspaper “insulation” isn’t really cutting the mustard.”
but thats the best part of demo work is reading old headlines and articles 🙂
funny thing i learned/heard is that *uninterrupted air is the best insulator because its free and no harm to the environment. i just wonder if this is true and why isnt it used more.
[insert a TMI inappropriate groove story here]
PLease provide one, it’s been a while.
“funny thing i learned/heard is that *uninterrupted air is the best insulator because its free and no harm to the environment. i just wonder if this is true and why isnt it used more.”
probably very costly to get a tight enough seal to keep the air in
i let go about 15 straight seconds of uninterupted air yesterday, and it definitely felt warm.
lol…ze…you are my hero : )
i told you miu miu.. Raw dairy products.
Downside being, you’re never quite sure if it’s going to be air.
Is that referring to the vapor barrier? Otherwise I think Icarus is probably right and that assumes the air is between two tightly sealed barriers.
“funny thing i learned/heard is that *uninterrupted air is the best insulator because its free and no harm to the environment. i just wonder if this is true and why isnt it used more.”
“Otherwise I think Icarus is probably right and that assumes the air is between two tightly sealed barriers.”
This.
It’s the principal of double-paned windows–the insulation is from the “air” (often a different gas mix) between the panes. Same principal in a vacuum thermos. But you have to have a perfect seal, so there is no infiltration from either side.
“probably very costly to get a tight enough seal to keep the air in”
“Is that referring to the vapor barrier? Otherwise I think Icarus is probably right and that assumes the air is between two tightly sealed barriers.”
“But you have to have a perfect seal, so there is no infiltration from either side.”
all leads to what icarus says, seems way to costly to have a perfect seal and probably way to costly to repair/detect the “perfect” seal
“Downside being, you’re never quite sure if it’s going to be air.”
and with that this thread is now closed X(
lol..Ze you should consider a career in comedy. Your talent is seriously being wasted.
People need to use matte varnish when they refinish floors etc. The shiny stuff looks cheap. Would improve the look tremendously.
Down to $449k in the first month of the listing.
Interestingly, looks like the place across the alley (2630 N Drake) sold for $455k in the meantime. . .
This place sold a few weeks ago. Relisted on 11/11/2011 for $419k, under contract on 10/18/2011, and sold for $409k on 11/18/2011 (buyer used conventional financing).