Below 2000 Prices in Rogers Park: 7440 N. Hoyne
Rogers Park has been hit hard in the housing downturn.
This week in TimeOut Chicago, in the “save this restaurant” feature, there was a discussion about a restaurant called Jamaica Jerk and the impact the housing bust is having on the businesses in the neighborhood.
While the food is generally consistent, the dining room sits empty some nights, waiting for locals whose condos have since gone into foreclosure, sending them fleeing to other areas and returning the neighborhood to its pre-gentrification crossroads of poverty and belt-tightening. A small handwritten sign advertising a chicken tender combo for $3.50 is aimed at residents who can’t, or don’t want to, pay $12 for a sit-down dinner, but it’s a concession the Waites made reluctantly. “We want to remain a nice restaurant for the neighborhood, even though it has not changed or improved as fast as I had hoped and expected,” Stanley says. “We are not closing tomorrow, but I wonder because from day to day it’s so difficult. Some days it’s so quiet and then some days you feel hopeful and think ‘this is a good day.’ We just need more of those.”
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Built in 1933-35, during the height of the Great Depression, the unit has many vintage features common for that era including coved cathedral ceilings, wall sconces and a formal dining room.
At 2000 square feet, it has more square footage than many single family homes.
The kitchen has granite counter tops and stainless steel appliances.
Parking is included, but there is no central air and it doesn’t look like it has any in-unit laundry.
The unit is now listed for $6,000 under the 2000 purchase price.
David Williamson at Choice Realty Group has the listing. See the pictures here.
Unit #3S: 3 bedrooms, 2 baths, 2000 square feet, 1 parking space included
- Sold in October 2000 for $165,000
- On the market most of 2009
- Listed in June 2010 for $159,000
- Currently still listed at $159,000
- Assessments of $450 a month
- Taxes of $2800
- No central air
- No in-unit washer/dryer
- Bedroom #1: 15×15
- Bedroom #2: 15×10
- Bedroom #3: 12×11
- Office: 12×9
This seems like a GREAT deal for someone who wants to stay in this area. Think about it, if you get it for 150k at 4% (20% down), your total payment (PITI) will be around 1200/month. This is the type of property that I am sure will make some hard working person who otherwise would not be able to afford a home, extremely happy and proud!!
I don’t know exactly who would walk away from purchasing this a HAPPY or proud person!
The ‘hood is crack & meth infested and now that it is reverting back to it’s attemped regent condition, this will not be going away anytime soon.
I recall when we first started looking at places to rehab and I was not entirely familiar with Rogers Park. We got out of the truck and immediately a person sitting on a second floor balcony stated making some noise to get our attention. When I looked up he stood up and made a gesture with his hands (simulating smoking from an aluminum foil sheet) indicating he had meth for sale and then asked me if he could ‘do anything for me’. I called the agent who was waiting down the block and cancelled the appt.
This was during the day, 11 AM to be exact. One look at me and it is readily apparent I do not engage in meth or crack whatsoever. If this happened to me, I can only imagine the other activities that occur to others in the ‘hood!
Must be so tough to get off the L after a hard day in downtown only to be accosted over and over by these druggie scumbags.
While the unit itself is somewhat nice and has a few unique features, no one in their right mind would want to buy in this cock roach of a neighborhood.
Such a shame. Lots of beautiful housing up there…
Westloopelo,
I disagree – not everyone has millions of dollars and the choice of where to live. Furthermore, as was pointed out on another recent thread, what might be “terrifying and scary” to you might not affect someone else that badly. For someone who doesn’t mind the negihborhood, who makes 40k/year and has no other hopes to “buy” in the city, this might make a lot of sense. People’s mindset changes when they buy (I don’t know why) but you can see the pride and happiness shine through. I stand by my original opinion!!
clio, this area is much scarier than driving down western avenue!!!
also it takes FOREVER to get downtown. Maybe this place is good for someone who needs a city address but works on the BFE north side of town
Thanks Sonies, I really have to drive down Western Aveune again. I just remember it as a kid (in the 70s and 80s) and it WAS terrifying. Logansquarean, however, actually made me realize that it has probably changed quite a bit. Thanks for the clarification – I hope others reading this also realize that things have probably changed….
Well lets not hear about your opinions if they are based on experiences from 40 years ago… because in case you haven’t noticed from your castle in Oakbrook, Chicago has changed for the MUCH better since then.
Back to the property, this neighborhood is better, but not by much. Its still pretty bad here. Theres a reason you can get a 2000sqft place for 150k…
“clio on September 1st, 2010 at 7:58 am
Thanks Sonies, I really have to drive down Western Aveune again. I just remember it as a kid (in the 70s and 80s) and it WAS terrifying.”
Thank you for sharing your 30-40 year old anecdotal experience as if it is relevant in the current context.
Clio, refer to this handy website as needed:
http://esl.about.com/library/beginner/blwas.htm
It’s a toss up for me, the area has it’s ups and downs. I think there are forces pulling it in different directions and it has been pretty volatile. Rightly or wrongly I am looking for a more stable neighborhood with long term residents who aren’t trying to be the next gentrification success story.
Nice looking place, crappy neighborhood. Next!
Why the personal attacks, Bradford? Seriously, if you want to compare educational levels, I will in a heartbeat. Any amount of money that I am more educated and have more degrees (from more prestigious institutions) than you. (and, of course, now that I said that, I am expecting the requisite barrage of insults – but nobody will call out Bradford for starting the personal attacks).
Since I live in RP, I know this area well, and am familiar with this unit, too. It is beautiful and I love it. It’s been on the market for many months. I’ve been eyeballing it because it is really beautiful, but I have a hard time justifying 3 beds and 2 baths just for myself, and would rather have 2 beds.
This part of RP has problems and is a little “scary”, though it has a very vocal group of neighbors dedicated to combating the slumlords I personally prefer the south end of East Rogers Park, myself. There are a number of “problem” buildings remaining in this northmost area, which borders Howard St. and it will take a while to clear them out.
Many really bad rentals close to Morse on Greenview are suddenly looking and acting a lot better- the buildings are being rehabbed and the tenants are much nicer people than what used to live in those places.
However, this neighborhood is laughably glutted with condos and has a 25% foreclosure rate, equaled only by Des Plaines, another place where the condo developers went insane during the Great Rampage, converting everything that had 4 walls and a roof. Most of what was converted was unsuitable for conversion, and the rehabs are awful- beautiful old buildings with wonderful interiors totally destroyed by bad, tasteless rehabs. You almost can’t give many of these places away now, and there are hundreds of them in the “shadow inventory” that does not show up in the listings.
I’m seeing still better deals than this, but this is still a pretty good deal. But the fact that it’s been on the market through about 8 months and 2 listings ought to tell us something. If it were priced right for the area, it would sell. But there are a number of comparable units on the market for close to this price, and they are also not selling.
If you like it, make an offer below the ask. I believe that anyone who buys in this area and can tough out another ten years will be glad he did, because I believe that all north lakefront neighborhoods will succeed, especially if fuel becomes as expensive as some people project. If this neighborhood is far from downtown, it is very close to Evanston and Skokie. And it has incredible visual beauty, far more than ratty Uptown- dense trees and incredible architecture.
I never stated it was ‘terrifying and scary’….these are your descriptions of Western 40 yrs ago.
My experience happened recently. While disgusting and a huge turn off for sommeone who was planning on investing (heavily) in the ‘hood, I was not threatened personally. What might have been considered terrifying and scary would be losing a good amount of money as buyers today do not care to buy in a drug infested area…even those $40k a year people seeking to fulfill their dream of home ownership.
Personally, I think if one is making $40k a year, now is not a good time to be entering the market at all…esp in an area that is slowly reverting back to a shit hole of a ‘hood. It would be a better idea to stay as renters until (if) another Government backed program becomes reality.
One more thing, even those who live in the area are not at all of the “I don’t mind drugs being sold in front of my home” mindset at all and the only way most there would have happiness and pride shine through is right after they have scored their daily quota.
I too stand by my original opinion.
I would *love* to find a way to live in Chicago for decades and completely avoid driving down Western Ave. Is Lamborghini now making a hovercar?
I live in far southern Rogers Park (a few houses north of Devon, in between Broadway and Clark). For the most part, the area north of Pratt (and especially north of Touhy) has more bad parts than good, although there are terrific blocks and mini-neighborhoods all around the area. I don’t know if I’d buy there, especially when there are better areas in RP that are a lot safer and not that much more expensive, although the place looks nice.
It’s disheartening how much the housing market has hurt the neighborhood, seeing as how we’re thinking of moving in the next year or so (and trying to do so without taking a hit).
I hear and understand totally what you are saying Laura, but in all of my years of being involved with regentrifying neighborhoods, never have I saw an area this bad. True there are some great examples of architecture, but when there is this nasty and ugly presence it is next to impossible to move them out.
I do have to disagree with you regarding some of the rehabs in Rogers Park as I have toured some outstanding examples of old buildings with outstanding exterior features that were renovated and kept those exterior period details.
Without a ton of money at the renovator’s disposal it is impossible to restore the kitchens and baths to a period look. The many renovated units that I did see, the work that was done was a definate improvement. Compared to what remains in the area, any improvement to the interiors of these old beauties are welcome. I understand why you want them to be renovated with their exact period details preserved, but in most cases it is not possible.
In this current market, I don’t think the people that clio mentioned ($40k yr salaries) and who desire to remain in this area are looking 10, 15 or 20 years down the road to when the whole area looks as great as sections of LP or the GC. And further those who do buy at these low prices will not have the resources to renovate their homes in a high quality manner.
“Any amount of money that I am more educated and have more degrees (from more prestigious institutions) than you.”
You haven’t learned yet that we do not care who you are, how much money you have and finally now how many degrees you have clio? Personally, the mega rich and uber educated people I know would not be caught dead posting on anonymous internet forums, and if in the slim chance they did decide to do so, they would not mention their wealth or education levels at all…if anything, they would go to great lengths to hide all of this personal information.
Keep the chatter about housing and we can all get along.
I think it’s a good deal for someone who wants to live in that neighborhood and can tough it out for many years. But as Laura said, there are better deals (I assume she meant in that neighborhood).
And in the current RE market, $160K gets you in a lot of places it didn’t 4 years ago.
Clio, not bashing you but were did you get your numbers? I think if you put 20% down, your total monthly payment for this comes to just under $1K
“It’s disheartening how much the housing market has hurt the neighborhood, seeing as how we’re thinking of moving in the next year or so (and trying to do so without taking a hit).”
Yeah it’s a real shame, as there was a time in mid-2000’s when it seemed like every Yuppie that was getting priced out of LP/LV/etc was on their way up there to eat up the hundreds of conversion buildings and try to gentrify the hood, and then it all came to a screeching halt. I have some friends that live in a 2/2 around Clark/Pratt and they are basically completely stuck in an increasingly emptying neighborhood.
“Keep the chatter about housing and we can all get along”
I couldn’t agree more – but I won’t back down from an insult/challenge.
Oh, one last thing, westloopelo: you must own a mirror – why don’t you use it?!!
Barry — I think that’s a big generalization (ie, the gentrification of RP from LP/LV wannabees). The people who I’ve gotten to know are a) Loyola employees (teachers, administrators), b) people who wanted space (which we were, buying a 2000+ sq foot unit with a garage for under $300k), c) people who were looking for untouched units (not as much gut rehabs in RP than in other neighborhoods, I’ve found), and c) people who like living by the lake.
If you can’t afford LP/LV, your next stop isn’t going to be Rogers Park. It’s going to be Andersonville or Lincoln Square or parts of Edgewater.
“I couldn’t agree more – but I won’t back down from an insult/challenge”
The only entity challenging you is your alter ego in an attempt to be someone you are not. I am not insulting you at all…why would I as you are the source of much of my internet entertainment?
“you must own a mirror – why don’t you use it?!!”
I do and man…do I LOVE what I see!!
LOL enough of your shite clio, it is getting old.
I’m guessing the assessments kill the own/rent calc with 20% down? Quick stroll through craigslist showed a range of rental prices and I don’t know the area well enough to handicap rent ability.
Just because this WOULD be an affordable place for some hard-working individual does not mean it SHOULD be purchased, especially right now!
Agreed with Barry:
“Nice looking place, crappy neighborhood. Next!”
Clio – not to put you down but I know plenty of fellas with degrees from elite schools that aren’t that bright. Most of them regret going to grad school because of the 100k+ loans over their heads (though they all make 150k+).
I have one friend in particular, that was accepted to Harvard UG, but instead, took the 100k that his parents were going to pay for schooling and applied it in the market. Now, his father is on the floor so he had practice/supervision, but he currently resides at 600N LSD in a 3/3.1 on the 30-something floor from the profits he made.
Point being Clio- that there is always someone smarter out there with more money and a better investment stragedy and though many people use their amount of schooling/degrees, bank accounts to measure up to other investors, they should just be using height.
“Barry — I think that’s a big generalization”
Oh it absolutely was, but is grounded in some amount of personal experience realty. Most of the people I’ve known to move up to that area fell under the “people who wanted space (which we were, buying a 2000+ sq foot unit with a garage for under $300k)” category. Good luck finding that in LP/LV during the boom.
I’m sure the demographics you described are much more accurate than what I said, again, just based on the 8-10 people/couples I know that moved to RP during the 2000’s.
“It’s disheartening how much the housing market has hurt the neighborhood..”
Has the market hurt the ‘hood or has the ‘hood hurt the market in this area? If one could buy 2000 sq ft for this amount in RP, are 2000 sq ft homes in other delapidated areas of the city going for the same amount?
Rogers Park has been identified as a gentrifying neighborhood since 70s; unfortunately its “gentrifying” stalled many times and likely stopped again. In 70s, Rogers Park was hip neighborhood of liberal-minded college-educated folks and long-time ethnic white families. But Rogers Park has many large multifamily buildings which historically housed transient often blue-collar and/or lower-middle income households (and now often Section 8), which weakens relative stability of a predominantly single-family neighborhood or block. It also has many small studio/1 bedrm units which don’t attract Yuppies. The multiple bad condo conversions probably have doomed neighborhood stability of large areas of Rogers Park.
Chicago’s rigid segregation eased and Hispanic and Asian immigration boomed, and Rogers Park is a “melting pot” of non-English speaking immigrants, low-income single-parent families, and some remaining 70s hip households and old-time St Ignatius parishioners. There are several RP blogs tracking serious “crime and incivility” problems in the “Broadway to Clark” zone; anyone interested in Rogers Park should read these blogs carefully.
Loyola University long ignored its southeast RP neighborhood, arguably the most stable section of Rogers Park, to its great detriment (and falling enrollment), but recently began providing financial incentives for Loyola employees buying RP homes.
The immediate Loyola area is probably still “gentrifiable” for Loyola employees and two-flat/three-flat buyers. But as other posters noted, Clark Street corridor, El stop areas, and areas west of Broadway and north of Pratt are far riskier home investments. North of Howard was bad even in 70s; far too dense multi-family absent landlord and Section 8 mix. These large six-flat buildings, such as this unit’s building, were once attractive housing, but now tenant mix would be a real concern, as well as overall ambience of block itself.
Meant “Sheridan Road”, not Broadway.
The market has hurt every hood, no?
Good units in good buildings on good blocks in not-so-great neighborhoods are still going to sell. The problem with parts of Rogers Park (and I have to stress that, more than most northside neighborhoods, RP has a very wide range of good and bad parts), is that what surrounds the good is so bad, it’s hurting it more than it maybe should.
Architect — You do realize anything not west of Sheridan in RP is just that one block to the lake, right?
I would say, for East Rogers Park, the best part is from Clark to the lake, from Devon to Pratt. That’s a nice solid area that has a good combination of single-family homes, 2 and 3 flats, 6 flats, and courtyard buildings. It is not the best place in the city by far, and it pales in comparison to neighborhoods to the south, but I still really enjoy living there.
The blogs you’re reading — which I on occasion look at too — tend to deal more with the area around the Morse and Jarvis El stops, which I admit isn’t very nice. They also have a very disturbing racist undertone that makes me pretty uncomfortable.
“Good units in good buildings on good blocks in not-so-great neighborhoods are still going to sell. The problem with parts of Rogers Park (and I have to stress that, more than most northside neighborhoods, RP has a very wide range of good and bad parts), is that what surrounds the good is so bad, it’s hurting it more than it maybe should.”
I saw a unit in Margate Park during my home search that I really, really liked. I was invited to a party in a home on Castlewood Terrace shortly after this, which was a good opportunity to talk to the homeowner and some other locals. He basically said what I figured, that it was like living on an island. No thanks.
“They also have a very disturbing racist undertone that makes me pretty uncomfortable.”
Sounds like Uptown Update!
This is a great thread. Thank you everyone for the specific street by street information on Rogers Park. Westloopelo, your story was hilarious!
I’ve been looking for a cheap studio or 1 BR in Chicago as a pied a terre under 100K. I recently came across a 1 BR short sale way up on Sheridan Road close to the Howard el stop for 50K. I live in New York and couldn’t make it out to see the place in person. I put in a lowball offer at 30K. The listing agent said she was “very happy to receive my offer”. I was thinking, what was she so happy about? My offer was terrible!!! Now I guess I know. I ended up withdrawing the offer because by coincidence another offer I submitted for a place in Uptown was accepted. It’s also a short sale. I’ll keep you guys posted on any developments on that one.
Some friends moved to RP in the 2000’s. Basically the same 2/2 we bought in LV, a bit bigger, but for less $$. Well, now they want to move but absolutely cannot. Other units in their building are offered for MUCH less than they are willing to accept. So what to do? They are going to stick it out despite the gunshots and stabbings taking place. Seriously, they have a story like that almost every time I see them. Sad, since they have kids but can’t play outside. They have to drive just about everywhere.
Maybe I live on a street in Rogers Park full of pixies and buttercups, but I’ve never heard a gunshot and know of no stabbings on the street. In fact, compared to Logan Square, where I live now is significantly less violent and scary. (We’ve lived here for nearly 5 years.)
Again, north of Pratt, it’s not so great. Near Howard, it’s even worse.
“will make some hard working person who otherwise would not be able to afford a home, extremely happy and proud!!”
clio, yuck to this patronizing attitude toward the “working” class, delivered with such liberal generosity from your high perch in the world. Please.
“This is the type of property that I am sure will make some hard working person who otherwise would not be able to afford a home, extremely happy and proud!!”
Sounds like this was written by a 9 year old.
“Rogers Park has been identified as a gentrifying neighborhood since 70s; unfortunately its “gentrifying” stalled many times and likely stopped again.”
Have to agree. When I first moved to Chicago (’87), Rogers Park was considered an up-and-coming neighborhood, one that was going to “take off” at any time.
I have some friends who bought there in 95(ish) and sold in 01(ish), and they did make some money on the deal, but they would have made more money buying in almost any other north side ‘hood.
“Sounds like this was written by a 9 year old.”
Yeah.. maybe a 9 y/o U. of C., Harvard and Stanford educated genius!!!! C’mon JMM, look at the sentiment, not the sentence. Recently, one of my gardeners bought a house in Bellwood and is so happy and proud and was telling me (well, OK, not me but my housekeeper) that had the real estate market not been so bad, he would never have had this opportunity. I can tell that he is so much happier and proud – it really shows in his confidence level and even his walk!! I am not saying home ownership SHOULD change a person, but for some reason, in some cases it DOES.
It is entertaining as always to hear clio talking out his ass again.
I’m thinking clio was an only child.
think his parents had money?
About that well-dressed buyer’s “encounter” with the pusher:
OK, so YOU are a “good” person who doesn’t use the stuff and were turned off by the guy’s offer. Good for you. I would have had the same reaction in a similar situation.
But look at it from his perspective for a moment:
Presumably this guy’s been “in the trade” for some time. Long enough to know that not all of his customers are scruffy-looking homeless people or boho-ish ‘starving artists.”. Sometimes they will be “professionals” from “nice” neighborhoods who have to travel to the “hoods” to satisfy that monkey on the back.
Maybe he thought you were one of them; a newbie who has a guy who knows a guy…and it was a case of “mistaken identity.”
BTW I am quite familiar with the good, bad and what the… Of Rogers Park and agree that it’s really a block-by-block situatuon regarding “liveability.”
Hey Chitowngal,
I assume your comment:
“About that well-dressed buyer’s “encounter” with the pusher:
OK, so YOU are a “good” person who doesn’t use the stuff and were turned off by the guy’s offer. Good for you. I would have had the same reaction in a similar situation.”
is directed at me and the story I related here about the meth / crack dealer.
I was not at all ‘well dressed’ (shirt, tie, dress pants, Rolex, etc) but rather I was in my work uniform…clean, pressed denim shirt (with my company’s logo), jeans and work boots and I was also just getting out of my work truck…which while it is a ‘work truck’, it is not a clunker by any means.
I am always well groomed and try to present myself as the professional that I am. I am pretty “beefy”…not beefy as in obese, but as in someone who is not a stranger to a Gym…clean shaven, etc.
So I took it as he approaches everyone who walks down his block. Probably under the influence as well so his judgment might have been cloudy. Pretty brazen method that indicates this goes on regularly with little to no interference from the CPD.
I do agree with you though that not all meth heads or druggies look like they just rolled out of a cardboard box in an alley. But regardless, if I am offered drugs just by being in the ‘hood, I can imagine how rampant this activity is in RP.
Don’t misunderstand my post as I am not being defensive at all, I am merely correcting your assumption that I ‘looked’ like I didn’t belong in that area because of the way I was dressed.
My Brother lived on Pratt right by the lake, east of sheridan. I was visiting him one night 6 months ago and we were returning from parking our car about two blocks west at 10 pm. After being followed and hollered at for two blocks we had to run across Sheridan and into the safety of his apartment. We called the CPD in the area and they just said “stay inside” about 45 minutes later a cop car whizzed down sheridan with it’s lights on and that was it. The thugs rule that area and should be rounded up on any possible charge. Too much of this city is uninhabitable because of gangs. –shame.
“clean, pressed denim shirt (with my company’s logo), jeans and work boots and I was also just getting out of my work truck…which while it is a ‘work truck’, it is not a clunker by any means.
I am always well groomed and try to present myself as the professional that I am. I am pretty “beefy”…not beefy as in obese, but as in someone who is not a stranger to a Gym…clean shaven, etc”
….. and people call me a DB?!!!!! are you kidding?!!!
People call you a DB (a term I detest) because you pretend your poop doesn’t stink and you claim to drive a lambo, have servents, look down at others who don’t have your supposed wealth or education, blah blah blah. In your case it is well deserved. Sorry but you have no one to blame for your reputation here on CC.
I on the other hand relate my experiences to my fellow CCers as they relate to the discussion at hand.
I was merely saying if this is how I was dressed, the way I present myself as a professional doing professional work everyday, and I was still mistaken for a drug seeking buyer,then imagine how much of this activity goes on on a daily basis to the neighborhood residents.
What sort of dealer would attempt to sell his wares to someone who is in their hood to do a valuable service for the community and looks the part?
I dress this way everyday myself when I and my crew are out attempting to find doable renovation projects. Nothing wrong with that right?
It’s not like I am dragging one or two of my servants around with me….
And NO, I do not employ the services of a housekeeper, gardener cook or any other kind of domestic help. I have a crew who works with and for me to produce a quality product for those who are seeking a high quality renovated home. They are not paying me for my image or my company logo and what it represents. We are paid for the work we do…end of story.
I have lived in RP and West Ridge for 18 of the past 20 years, including a stint as a condo owner, and I personally wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.
I love Roger Park’s diversity, convenience, access to great restaurants, entertainment, the lakefront, shopping…
In all my time here, 7 of those years on Pratt near Lakewood, the worst experience I’ve had is when my road bicycle was stolen out of my storage locker in 1994 or so. My car may have been broken into once, too, but that’s life in the city. The same thing happened when I lived in Boys Town–and that’s supposed to be a “safe” neighborhood.
I currently live in what you all would consider the worst of the worst of Rogers Park, that little enclave that butts up against the Calvary Cemetery notoriously known as the Jungle. I don’t have a car and EVERYTHING is conveniently located within 2 blocks of my apartment building: Red/Purple Line is a block away as well as a Bus Depot that will take me to just about any part of the city and into Evanston and Skokie, as well. Grocery store, post office, laundromat all within a block; the lakefront, with a nice little beach, is a 4-block stroll.
I’ll admit I’ve been startled by the sound of gunshots in this neighborhood. And there are definitely druggies and too many young men hanging out on street corners (the unemployment rate among black men in urban areas such as this is as high as 52 percent). But, for the most part, the people I have met and spoken with in this neighborhood are no different from me and you: hard-working, law-abiding citizens who just want some peace and to be able to get along in this world.
I’m actually working on starting a writing program for teens in this neighborhood to get them blogging about their experiences growing up in around here so that maybe people like you can quit stereotyping and see them for who they really are–smart young people struggling with many of the same issues YOU did at their age, young people who matter and who have something to contribute to society if given the opportunity to explore their interests.
People like you guys who do “drive-bys” of neighborhoods like Rogers Park or form opinions of my ‘hood based on the crap you read on city-data.com message boards are missing out on opportunities to live in a vibrant, racially, ethnically and economically diverse community that boasts all the great conveniences of city living without the ginormous price tags. Gentrification be damned, this is a GREAT time to invest in a community that is committed to maintaining its identity as the most diverse neighborhood in Chicago. I love Rogers Park and look forward to the day when I can afford to invest in real estate here again. just sayin’ 😉
The Holabird and Roche apartment reminded me of this one which to me was a much nicer unit around the same size for a fraction of the cost. Of course it’s located in Rogers Park, which is dicey and not my first choice of nabes. It never sold and appears to be at some stage of foreclosure.
I live at chase and Sheridan in rp and have no problems I am currently on disability and cannot drive I hobble down Jarvis with my cane to catch cta and have never had a problem knock on wood but I love my neighborhood and all the diversity that comes with it I’ve heard gunshots in lakeview in broad daylight so you shouldn’t bad talk Rogers Park