Contemporary 2-Bedroom at 1750 N. Clybourn in Lincoln Park Returns To Try Again
We last chattered about this contemporary 2-bedroom at 1750 N. Clybourn in Lincoln Park in November 2009.
See our November 2009 chatter here.
It was originally reduced $50,000 before being withdrawn from the market.
Now 15 months later, it is back and is reduced just $10,200 from the old 2009 listing price.
The unit has 10 foot ceilings.
The kitchen has the modern euro look with white Arclinea cabinetry and SubZero and Miele appliances.
There is a 6′ Zuma soaking tub and oversized stone shower in the master bathroom.
It has central air, washer/dryer in the unit and garage parking.
Can this unit command a premium to the 2006 purchase price?
Karen Ranquist at RCR Realty Inc. has the listing. See the pictures here.
Or see it in person at the Open House, Sunday Mar 6 from 1-3 PM.
Unit #202: 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, no square footage listed
- Sold in November 2006 for $436,000 (looks like that included the parking)
- Was listed in March 2009 for $525,000 (included the parking)
- Reduced
- Was listed in November 2009 at $475,000 (includes the parking)
- Withdrawn
- Recently re-listed for $464,800 (includes the parking)
- Assessments of $233 a month
- Taxes of $6226
- Central Air
- In-unit washer/dryer
- Bedroom #1: 15×12
- Bedroom #2: 11×10
- Living room: 24×18
- Kitchen: 13×10
Another 2006 seller waiting for Godot. They bought it at the peak and they’re going to live in it. Or maybe the bank will get it back.
good luck
Furnished, it looks awesome. However, it seems to be asking too high a premium given that the unit itself is simply a nice backdrop for whatever you bring to furnish it.
Geez. What’s the point with only a 10k reduction from before. I can’t see this fetching more than $390
I lived about a block up Clybourn from here for two years. I liked the area but traffic can get kind of bad on Clybourn and North Avenue, especially on prime shopping days and weekends. I’ve always thought the outside of these units were cool (used to play some bball at the park across the street). Lots of shopping in the area. But waaaayyy overpriced. From the look of the furniture, the owners has moved out. It just looks very staged to me. I like the place, just not for that price and not on a busy street like this. Also, there is an empty lot next door, so you have no idea what they are going to build there eventually.
wow i am highly disappointed with the bedroom windows, but at least they have windows and not “borrowed light”
The price is still way too high. I don’t know why anyone would consider buying a condo in this economic environment. You buy a property and even if your financial footing is great, you have to worry about your neighbors who may walk away, go into foreclosure, stay but not pay their mortgage and hoa fees, etc…..
that kitchen island is totally useless for eating at without the overhang lip of the countertop.
love the place though, at about 370k thanks to the prime view of the brown line
“stay but not pay their mortgage and hoa fees, etc…..”
If you don’t pay your HOA fees you won’t be staying long. Mortgage is a different story.
So, this made me wonder about the nearby “PH” condo with the taped-to-the-wall projection screen (1713 n sheffield). Now, the *whole building* is for sale:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1713-N-Sheffield-Ave-60614/unit-1N/home/26810186
for $4.5mm.
“I don’t know why anyone would consider buying a condo in this economic environment. You buy a property and even if your financial footing is great, you have to worry about your neighbors who may walk away, go into foreclosure, stay but not pay their mortgage and hoa fees, etc…”
You had to worry about that before the built melt down too it just didn’t happen as often. It’s the inherent risk in buying a condo that’s offset by the upside of shared common costs. Some don’t like the risk, some are ok with it.
ugh. built = big
I wonder if the realtor’s husband designed the building?
They do beautiful modern buildings and homes:
http://www.ranquistdevelopment.com/
Oh man I dig the trough in the master bath. But I would forever be wonder if the previous owner had a pee party in there.
An offer to buy all the furniture would be a smart move for someone interested in this place. The furniture really fits well with the architecture, good job!
At first I thought there was a LR fireplace and I was amazed that this homeowner had no TV nor bookshelves anywhere. But then upon a second look, that is a flat screen in the LR, not a fireplace.
I’m not a building inspector, but shouldn’t that exposed metal in the garage have some sort of flame retardant coating to meet building code in case of a fire?
$2,700 a month for this place after assessments and taxes?
Buying is better than renting after 6 years at a $2,700 monthly rent (@ +1% annual home price change, +3% annual rent increase)
PASS.
“Can this unit command a premium to the 2006 purchase price?”
I’m going to go with … no. I’ll be even more of a bear than some earlier posters and say that it would need to go down to around $350k to sell now.
“So, this made me wonder about the nearby “PH” condo with the taped-to-the-wall projection screen (1713 n sheffield). Now, the *whole building* is for sale:”
whoa good find, and WTF is going on with that? it seems as crazy as that liberace fiasco on fullerton right of damen.
Bubble has burst. Only three conditions under which one could expect better than a 2006 price:
1. The 2006 price was a screamin bargain at the time
2. Major improvements have been made to the property
3. The neighborhood has significantly improved
If you paid an average market price in 2006, and nothing changed in the property or the ‘hood, why would you expect to get more now?
At least this place is fairly unique so it might fetch someone’s attention. Bedroom windows are sad as is the location IMO.
I think it will fetch over $400K.
Physically closest 2/2s that closed in the last 12 months:
1872 N CLYBOURN Ave #508 for $390k
1745 N Clybourn Ave Unit 2S for $375k (prior sale was $417 in Jan-07–so almost exactly 10% off prior).
This one appears much nicer than 1745, and much different (and also nicer, to me) from 1872. Makes me think that something around $425 gets it done, as long as it can be done w/o involving the bank.
the location is great for traffic afficianados
Love that posting, Anon.
That projection screen pic is one of the first things that kept me coming back to this site. Truly classic. Even better, the listing for that building says ELP which is the largest outright lie I have ever seen in any listing. The lister ought to have gone one further and said “state of the art home theater and steps to the lake!”.
At 4.5, that building seems like a steal, it must have major structural issues to be unloading in this market. Well, either structural issues or the rental market isn’t as hot as some shills are claiming.
I love that the proximity to [the] apple [store] is among the amenities offered by this place…
“I love that the proximity to [the] apple [store] is among the amenities offered by this place…”
ha yeah, its like… “hey this place is perfect for conformist douchebags!”
“At 4.5, that building seems like a steal, it must have major structural issues to be unloading in this market. Well, either structural issues or the rental market isn’t as hot as some shills are claiming.”
Looking at the post on the PH, I had dug up the records of the related-party transactions for all the units. Using those as a guide, $4.5mm is the owners (I say fantasy) value for each of the other 5 units and assigns a (I say fantasy, again) value of $1.75mm to the PH.
I really think the outside number for the whole thing is *maybe* $3.75mm, and that’s assigning market values for the units as o/o, not rental or held-for-sale. If you were buying it bulk to rent or re-sell, I don’t know how you justify more than about $3mm, unless I am *radically* underestimating the net rent obtainable for those units in that location.
No way this goes under 400k. I think I might open the blinds for the pictures.
Hoops court across st used to be one of best in city w really diverse crowd. One time ran into old guy said he owned Binnys liquors playing there. Said he paid to take care of court. Don’t know about anymore…
“Sonies on March 3rd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
“I love that the proximity to [the] apple [store] is among the amenities offered by this place…”
ha yeah, its like… “hey this place is perfect for conformist douchebags!”
Not only do Crihaters hate properties they can’t afford, but computers too.
lol
I will never in my life buy an apple product. My wife is on the hate train too. Not because I can’t afford it, but because they are for pretentious d-bag idiots with no tech savvy, and I guess I am much more down to earth and build my own computers that “just work” fine as well for about a quarter of the price.
lol. NM on the Sheffield multi. I thought it had 8 units and 4 4BDs instead of only two 4BDs. It’s overpriced by at least 1.5.
Somebody that hates on people because of the computer they own and their lack of tech savvy, and sees themself as down to earth because they build their own computers is a special kind of d-bag.
Sonies, you make such generalizations. After insulting half of the people here on their engagement rings now it is about computers. Chill a bit.
Also let me tell you something dear, most tech savvy people and I mean people who make a living in tech areas love apples. It is Microsoft users who are held in contempt. Also some of us have admiration for a device that combines both form and function. You remind me of a guy I once met who was saying smart and beautiful woman are all obnoxious and a pain live with and how he would never go for one.
“Sonies on March 3rd, 2011 at 2:15 pm
I will never in my life buy an apple product. My wife is on the hate train too. Not because I can’t afford it, but because they are for pretentious d-bag idiots with no tech savvy, and I guess I am much more down to earth and build my own computers that “just work” fine as well for about a quarter of the price.”
The subtleties of good design are lost on some. (or in the case of Cribhater…most)
“most tech savvy people and I mean people who make a living in tech areas love apples. It is Microsoft users who are held in contempt.”
Sonies rocks the custom Linux. Duh.
“miumiu on March 3rd, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Also let me tell you something dear, most tech savvy people and I mean people who make a living in tech areas love apples.”
Exactly. Though the opposite may have been true 20 years ago, that reputation has done a complete 180 in recent years, and for good reason. Any self-proclaimed “techie” who is so steadfastly anti-Apple at this point is wearing a luddite duncehat.
you’re all sheep!
/exit
There is an urban dictionary term macfags http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=macfag
Unless someone works in video or publishing, there is no reason to own anything other than a $399 netbook. This way you can replace them every other year, no problem and no complaining. The Apple IPad has to be the biggest fad of all time. I’ve worked using a netbook right next to an Ipad user fumbling with the crappy online keyboard, and I’d NEVER trade my netbook for an Ipad. Windows 7 works just fine.
“I will never in my life buy an apple product. My wife is on the hate train too. Not because I can’t afford it, but because they are for pretentious d-bag idiots with no tech savvy, and I guess I am much more down to earth and build my own computers that “just work” fine as well for about a quarter of the price.”
That ship has sailed. Even white and black hats now use apples. Next time try to talk to someone on TPC of a systems conference and ask them to give you a head count how many poeple use Macs. Or even ask someone working in NSA.
In short, if you go Mac, you don’t go back.
“Sonies rocks the custom Linux. Duh.”
I did. Try replacing a $1299 Macbook every other year. I can’t wait to hear the whining when the Ipad need repairs or they go bad.
I’m sticking with basic netbooks, with real keypads. Windows 7 is just fine for basic webbrowsing and MS office applications.
“In short, if you go Mac, you don’t go back.”
yeah heaven forbid my phone actually makes phone calls and doesn’t drop them
seriously, keep overpaying for your Chinese manufactured, well marketed crap for dummies. I really don’t care. I’ll be able to sleep at night just fine.
Are you actually advocating that people use a netbook as their primary computers? lol
Are you a Smurf?
Im sorry….but IMO…if I am going to deal with this much traffic, I want to be downtown…off Michigan ave or Lake Shore Drive.
Otherwise..Cool place.
Wow.
The average IQ of the Machater gets lower and lower every year. It’s been well into single digits for a few years now but its now approaching dog level, and hamster is within sight.
Good luck with that.
“I did. Try replacing a $1299 Macbook every other year. I can’t wait to hear the whining when the Ipad need repairs or they go bad.
I’m sticking with basic netbooks, with real keypads. Windows 7 is just fine for basic webbrowsing and MS office applications. ”
Hmm, replaced my busted netbook (no, never dropped) use-wise with an ipad, and would do it again and twice on sunday. And any netbookie that had a remotely comparable screen was comparably priced AND has half the battery life. Only genuinely annoying thing is the farging auto-correct and it’s bizarro dictionary.
No need to insult dogs
Dan some of us actully work on our machines and don’t just web browse, hence need powerful beasts.
here you go mr. red socks
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
People who ‘hate’ apple are just as annoying as those that ‘love’ apple and mindlessly buy everything they make. It just reminds me of those kids from college that listened to shit music and watched obscure movies just because it wasn’t mainstream, it’s annoying – Who gives a shit? The company is obviously doing something right; marketing isn’t enough to turn the kinds of profits they do in this economy.
Everyone has opinions, but apple computers are eons ahead of PC’s , that’s just plain fact.. I’m a self proclaimed tech geek – i’ve owned everything from a vaio to alienware, IBM to Acer – nothing tops a mac ( given the price tag is high ) – I’ve had a macbook pro for 4 years with 0 problems. If you want the type of performance a macbook gives you, you’ll end up spending nearly 800 bucks on a laptop anyways – most of these 500 dollar or less laptops are total garbage. would have probably taken my PC into the shop 3 – 5 times by now, and would have to update my ‘antivirus’ BS every few months. PC’s suck, it’s not just regular consumers that know this, it’s the techies as well.
Aside from that, the IPAD is totally retarded and my iphone gets the worst reception , ever. It’s a great device, just not a great phone. Apple as a company has some awesome products, but they have a long way to go with the ipad – won’t bag on them for the reception as much, as i think it’s a carrier issue.
“yeah heaven forbid my phone actually makes phone calls and doesn’t drop them
seriously, keep overpaying for your Chinese manufactured, well marketed crap for dummies. I really don’t care. I’ll be able to sleep at night just fine.”
Dan: clearly you don’t know a lot of people who code for a living. I don’t care if you are buying apples, dells or sonies…ahem…sony’s, if you are writing and running a multi-component system on a netbook, you’ll run into its limitations quite quickly.
Sonies: you clearly know best. And you build your own notebooks too? I’m sure the form factor is great on your l33t custom hardware. Apple isn’t some be-all-end-all company, but they make some solid products. I can get by just fine with Ubuntu on an Acer box, too, but pretending you’ll never need or want anything more is beyond foolish. Apple (and yes, even Microsoft) do some pretty cool things with their pricey, proprietary stuff.
Nothing worse than a religious fanboy when it comes to technology. Even worse than CC posters. The interwebz can barely hold the douchbaggerie when the two collide…
Here’s the difference between Mac owners and PC owners:
Most, if not all, Mac owners were once PC owners at some point. They have had both ownership experiences.
On the other hand, most, if not all, PC owners who are anti-Mac have never owned a Mac. Instead, they just like to blather on about things they have no firsthand knowledge of.
“Here’s the difference between Mac owners and PC owners:
Most, if not all, Mac owners were once PC owners at some point. They have had both ownership experiences.
On the other hand, most, if not all, PC owners who are anti-Mac have never owned a Mac. Instead, they just like to blather on about things they have no firsthand knowledge of.”
Agree X 1000%
haha i’m not a fanboy of anything and I sure as hell don’t make my own laptops, although my $600 HP with a 17″ widescreen and full keyboard still works great as the day I bought it nearly 2 years ago. But as you can see, I certainly ruffled the feathers of some macfanbois here, not surprising as they are an extremely defensive bunch (see: bradford, miumiu)
I am shocked that anyone would want to defend themselves after being called a “conformist douchebag”.
HERP
DERP
WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
“On the other hand, most, if not all, PC owners who are anti-Mac have never owned a Mac. Instead, they just like to blather on about things they have no firsthand knowledge of.”
oh bullshit, like I have never used a mac before? I was playing fucking oregon trail on an Apple 2e in 5th fuckin grade 20+ years ago. What you think my big ten school didn’t have any macs?
I didn’t like the fucked up (open apple & symbol) commands on the keyboard and the one mouse button interface so I have a low IQ? Now who sounds like the idiot
Sonies: not only trolling, but admitting it? Good form.
You should checkout 4chan. You’ll fit right in.
“Now who sounds like the idiot?”
The dude who is surprised he’s getting exactly what he asked for.
my photoshop skills are lacking for any type of e-cred at 4chan. plus I’m sure that site is full of spyware and viruses that I really don’t need on my awful, unreliable PC
“The dude who is surprised he’s getting exactly what he asked for.”
no, i’d take a closer look at
‘Bradford on March 3rd, 2011 at 3:00 pm’
LMAO
oh wow, and i thought my stroller post were annoying.
dudes just buy what works for you, and no need to justify it.
we are PC’s at home mainly because my company buys them for us. I get a new laptop every two years (sometimes one) from work and keep the old one. then the IT wipes the old one and i pass it to my wife, my son has a four year old laptop passed down from my wife that was passed down from me that my company bought.
the only reason i would buy a Macbook would be the battery life!
*oh here is a story a coworker here bought a macbook last year and a airport express and is having nothing but troubles with them communicating. and since he doesnt have apple care he has to pay $49 for phone support when the airport cost $99 new!
Oh he says trying to get a genius bar appointment at a time he can go is impossible.
“Sonies on March 3rd, 2011 at 3:01 pm
“On the other hand, most, if not all, PC owners who are anti-Mac have never owned a Mac. Instead, they just like to blather on about things they have no firsthand knowledge of.”
oh bullshit, like I have never used a mac before? I was playing fucking oregon trail on an Apple 2e in 5th fuckin grade 20+ years ago. What you think my big ten school didn’t have any macs?
I didn’t like the fucked up (open apple & symbol) commands on the keyboard and the one mouse button interface so I have a low IQ? Now who sounds like the idiot”
You do.
Do you think there might be a reason why Apple’s market share has skyrocketed in the past ten years? Or do you think all the new Apple owners are just making do with the same crappy products you used a decade or two ago?
You are the epitome of the know-not Machater. You see a mouse without two clear-cut buttons and assume that you cannot right and left click. Stupid is as stupid does…
I will repeat myself, with appropriate emphasis, for the simpleton contingent:
“Here’s the difference between Mac OWNERS and PC OWNERS:
Most, if not all, Mac OWNERS were once PC OWNERS at some point. They have had both OWNERSHIP experiences.
On the other hand, most, if not all, PC OWNERS who are anti-Mac have never OWNED a Mac. Instead, they just like to blather on about things they have no firsthand knowledge of.
@ Sonies, you were insulting people without even knowing what you are talking about. May I remind you of the fact that you called Apple users “pretentious d-bag idiots with no tech savvy”. As someone who runs big simulations and owns more than 15 machines, I tell you that windows drives you nuts. The pathetic thing crashes all the time. If you run something for couple of days and then come to see it has crashed a few times then you move on. Or if you are trying to make a deadline and suddenly the CPU starts running full blast doing heaven knows what, you move on. Furthermore, some of us care about the form as I mentioned. The design on apple is beautiful and I for one care for it.
“Sonies on March 3rd, 2011 at 3:01 pm
I didn’t like the fucked up (open apple & symbol) commands on the keyboard and the one mouse button interface so I have a low IQ?”
No, you have a low IQ because your mother and father were also likely of substandard intelligence.
arrogant much?
you sound like an unhappy person, perhaps buying more Apple products would ease your tucked away emotional pain?
And I haven’t said one bad thing about apple as a company have I? I can appreciate a fantastic capitalist organization as much as anyone, and believe me, I have made plenty of money from apple stock.
I prefaced my opinion by saying that people who work in video etc. might need a Mac. The vast majority of people, incl. those that “work” and make millions barely need anything more than access to the web and MSOffice products, unless they are brainwashed by macfag marketing campaigns.
The netbook blows away the Ipad, and it’s cheaper, and theerfore easier to replace/upgrade. Bradford, was Steve Jobs’ big Ipad2 press conference yesterday directed only to smufs? Seems like he likes smurf customers.
“Are you actually advocating that people use a netbook as their primary computers? lol
Are you a Smurf?”
I would have switched to a Mac a long time ago, but some of the business programs I use don’t work well on Macs. However, now they apparently are working pretty well, so I have an excuse to get an airbook to go with my ipad.
Macs are just easier to use and don’t crash nearly as much imho. Good design also helps. Still hate the anti-flash position of Apple though.
“Dan on March 3rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
The netbook blows away the Ipad”
In what way? They both suck a$$ for typing, if that’s what you’re getting at.
You do realize they’re not comparable devices, right?
How is Windows 7? has it closed the OS gap? I can’t imagine that for the vast majority of users, that aren’t writing code or doing video editing or whatever, that they are markedly different for running Excel, Word, Firefox and loading photos and videos. I wonder what happens when someone has to replace their macbook after 2 years? Why spend over $1000 when you can get a more portable and lightweight netbook for 1/3 the price and it runs Excel, Word, Firefox and loads photos and videos just as fine?
Netbooks will suvivie, tablets will not, they are a fad. The lack of a useable keyboard will kill them off.
“You do realize they’re not comparable devices, right?”
“Still hate the anti-flash position of Apple though.”
That, of course, is just an iOS objection, and seems to mainly relate to forcing i-dvice media consumption to run thru iTunes.
I think Win7 is much better than any previous version.
Replacing Apple machines isn’t as bad as you think because their resale value is *VASTLY* superior to anything else. You simply eBay or Craigslist the old machine and buy a new one.
It’s trivially easy to run Windows on modern Mac hardware if you wish to do so. I do it now and then for the hell of it or for a few random applications that aren’t available for MacOS.
I’m not quite sure why people get so worked up about what hardware or software OTHER people are using and spend so much time trying to validate that MY WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY. I think that GM makes crappy cars but I don’t get upset when people buy them. And when I have to rent one or drive one for whatever reason I just adjust it the best I can and make do with it.
You’re missing the point if you’re comparing a Netbook to an iPad.
“Netbooks will suvivie, tablets will not, they are a fad. The lack of a useable keyboard will kill them off.”
I, for one, won’t buy another netbook, most likely *ever*.
“I think that GM makes crappy cars but I don’t get upset when people buy them. ”
Actually, with the amount of $$ GM owes us, you should get upset when people *don’t* buy GM, whatever you think of their product.
“Dan on March 3rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Netbooks will suvivie, tablets will not, they are a fad. The lack of a useable keyboard will kill them off.”
Here’s why you’re wrong: You see a netbook as a principal computer. Most people see them as something they’ll take on vacation or have on the couch at home. The keyboard on a netbook is nearly unusable and they lack the horsepower to reliably run everyday tasks for someone who’s time is money.
Most people looking for a netbook or tablet are looking for a simple browsing/email device to dick around with in their “off-time”. In this role, a tablet is superior. Larger screen, better form factor for casual browsing, etc.
Furthermore, the tablet is simply a UI stepping stone to the true touchscreen immersion reality coming down the pipe in the next few decades. Do you think Tom Cruise’s manipulation of the huge screens in Minority Report is fantasy? Not for long…
I can pretty much do everything on my ipad now that I can with with my PC laptop. I RARELY even open my laptop at home anymore. I bought one of those keyboard adapters Apple sells for the ipad and it works just fine if I have to type something long enough to where typing on the screen is a PITA.
Tablets will replace laptops and netbooks.
“anon (tfo) on March 3rd, 2011 at 3:31 pm
I, for one, won’t buy another netbook, most likely *ever*.”
2nd. I bought one simply to keep in the car for running simple logging software and clearing potential engine management codes. It can’t even do that without crashing.
…and I can type faster on my iPhone than with the Lilliputian netbook keyboard.
ipods have crappy sound. when I hook mine up to mediocre best buy stereo I get angry at how shitty the songs are compared to cds. even the “lossless” files sound sub par.
plus last time i tried to put more songs on my ipod i spent two hours messing around bc itunes said it couldnt find my music files. didnt get any new songs on. frustrating.
“You should checkout 4chan. You’ll fit right in.”
If this thread is any indication Cribchatter ain’t much better…
“CH on March 3rd, 2011 at 3:38 pm
ipods have crappy sound. when I hook mine up to mediocre best buy stereo I get angry at how shitty the songs are compared to cds. even the “lossless” files sound sub par.”
You are completely ignoring the sonic implications of a $hitload of other variables at play. But tell us more…
Full dsclosure I have an iPhone, iPod (on my 5th) and an iMac. I just thought it odd they would have chosen the apple store as a landmark in a listing.
lossless audio should sound amazing, its probably the stereo, or the cord connecting to your “best buy stereo”
From a guy who has probably been using computers since before some of you were born, given the level of mature discussion here, whose first work computer featured WordPefect 4.2 for DOS with a 286 chip and and amber text, and whose first home computer, a Northgate, had a 32 megabyte hard drive, who the hell cares what type of computer you use? It’s just like buying a house; you get whatever makes you happy and you can afford.
What no love for the commodore 64?
Actually I had a Timex Sinclair once. Never could figure out what do with it and sold it for a little less than I paid for it.
The Ipad is nearly useless for business users. Nobody would write or edit documents of any length on it. No one would use it for Excel spreadsheet modeling. It’s macfag device. They will never replace the laptop or the smart phone, plus there are so many companies planning on making them, they’ll be malinvestment, then a glut, then a pricing bloodbath.
“Somebody that hates on people because of the computer they own and their lack of tech savvy, and sees themself as down to earth because they build their own computers is a special kind of d-bag.”
Lump me in here, too. I agree with Sonies on Apple products and built my current computer a few years ago (for $400). Prices have collapsed so much these days I’d just get a $200 one then add $100 worth of upgrades to one of those.
With PCs you can really design what kind of system you want that meets your needs. Its not the cookie cutter approach Apple uses. And you aren’t stuck with a huge bill when a peripheral goes bad.
“It’s macfag device.”
Its so those douchebags who sit at Starbucks/Caribou with their laptops doing mindless surfing for hours on end hardly buying anything can now take the d-baggery to the next level.
Oh yeah and anyone who buys the Motorola tablet is fooling themselves if they think Motorola makes quality products anymore. That stopped at least five years ago.
My current cell phone is a Motorola and it freezes if I use a dollar sign in a text message and powercycles on its own some times. Motorola offshores all of their software development to China & India and does not stand behind their products at all.
They were a radio company that got lucky with a cell phone and thought they could then become a software company. They should stick with radios.
“Dan on March 3rd, 2011 at 3:55 pm
The Ipad is nearly useless for business users. Nobody would write or edit documents of any length on it. No one would use it for Excel spreadsheet modeling. It’s macfag device. They will never replace the laptop or the smart phone, plus there are so many companies planning on making them, they’ll be malinvestment, then a glut, then a pricing bloodbath.”
Were you and Sonies separated at birth? Or potentially still sharing the same brain?
The iPad is useful in TONS of different business applications, just not in the sense that you’re trying to apply it. (Who said Excel spreadsheet modeling???)
An iPad is great for a doctor making rounds, a warehouse inventory control guy taking inventory, a retail employee making mobile sales in store, etc. Are you aware the 80% of the Fortune 100 is now employing iPads, and 60% of the Fortune 500? Bear in mind that this is a product that is merely 12 months old.
There are 80 to 100 different companies planning on entering the tablet frenzy. Every PC maker (HP, Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba), every smart phone maker (Samsung, LG, Nokia, RIMM, Sony, Ericsson, Huawei, ZTE) and every Asian netbook builder (Acer, Asus, etc/) and even TV makers (Visio) — and they’re all going to get 20% marketshare! They’ll be giving these away before it’s all done.
It’s a tertiary device as compared to the laptop or the smartphone.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/010311-outlook-tech-priorities-mobility.html
“Are you aware the 80% of the Fortune 100 is now employing iPads, and 60% of the Fortune 500? “
“What no love for the commodore 64?”
My TRS 80 looks so much cooler. Besides who would want to play games when you can learn to program in basic?
Agree with Dan. I often wondered what use the ipad is? Given my age (65), one would think it’s a generational thing. But I do have an iphone and to me the ipad is just a giant “senior citizen” iphone without the crappy phone service. I have noticed several people at work with ipads struggling with the keyboard while using them to take notes or minutes during meetings. I like the iphone for it’s convenience. But I cannot see the “giant iphone” ipad replacing the laptop. It’s just another thing to carry around. In the airports I now frequently see ipad users with their ipad tethered to their iphone while using their laptop. Why?
Oh great, something I can relate to!
1. FLAC files don’t run on your ipod. Converting them to an acceptable Apple format (Apple Lossless) is time consuming and extremely difficult for the average Mac user. It is also frustrating and annoying for a PC user.
Did I mention that FLAC is the lossless standard?
I use Shure 530 earbuds(roundly considered top of the line) on my itouch w/ a seriously gangster amp. Apple lossless files sound like a joke compared to the same rig running off Android Winamp w/ FLAC files.
itunes is garbage, folks. Sorry. Anyone that actually knows what they are talking about will agree with me. Universal agreement is pretty rare in the audiophile community, so I think we’re onto something.
I liked my itouch until winamp for android came out. Now I don’t even use my itouch anymore.
Maybe I’m not “tech savvy” enough to know why I should still be using an Apple product as part of my portable rig. Lol.
*Yes, I realize that terms like “rig” and bragging about my portable amp will invite scorn.
Seems like some people have too much (ie *any*) of their self-esteem tied up in being non-follower, anti-trend, mac-haters. Hating on apple users across the board seems just as stupid and pointless as being an unabashed apple fanboy.
“*Yes, I realize that terms like “rig” and bragging about my portable amp will invite scorn.”
I think only in connection with this:
“I use Shure 530 earbuds”
Yeah, yeah, they’re great buds, but if you’re audio-geeking enough to carry around an amp, shouldn’t you be rocking HD 800’s or something?
“They’ll be giving these away before it’s all done.”
Well people better choose wisely because lately Motorola’s MO has been to Pump n’ Dump. Put out a device with a high MSRP that is bug laden and then don’t provide adequate support or updates for it. I suspected this was their strategy when they refused to update my cell phone to fix the bugs, so waited instead of dropping $350 on the newer Droid smartphone my provider was offering (i1)
It came out with an ancient version of Android and was bug laden. Motorola last month released a bug update fix but then promptly pulled it because it introduced more problems than it fixed (its now listed as canceled haha). They also announced that version of Android is staying and the phone isn’t upgradable.
It seems code incompetence is part of their planned obsolescence model: make something so crappy its almost unusable so people will want to buy something just a little bit better in the not too far off future.
three cheers for anon(tfo)! use whatever you like! Hell I’m running a linux box when I post on CC (just kidding)
Nobody who can bench press more than 3/4 of their weight is allowed to work at Apple stores, esp. in the Genius Bar dept. Fit, athletic men do not mesh with Apple’s macfag/androgynous marketing imagery they’re trying to cultivate.
“Seems like some people have too much (ie *any*) of their self-esteem tied up in being non-follower, anti-trend, mac-haters. Hating on apple users across the board seems just as stupid and pointless as being an unabashed apple fanboy”
A large part of the success of the PC was it’s open architecture meaning anyone could develop hardware for it. Macs are a threat because its a completely vertically integrated approach and Apple knows they have significant pricing power.
Macs & other Apple products represent a threat because consumers may very well lose the significant cost savings they now enjoy from PCs via their open architecture. Just sayin’..
The same people who seem to be in love with Apple products & all things Apple are the same people who voted for Obama in 2008 and didn’t even know why.
(most of them didn’t vote in 2010 because MTV wasn’t telling them to and to them participating in democracy is only voting in presidential election cycles)
“A large part of the success of the PC was it’s open architecture meaning anyone could develop hardware for it. Macs are a threat because its a completely vertically integrated approach and Apple knows they have significant pricing power.
Macs & other Apple products represent a threat because consumers may very well lose the significant cost savings they now enjoy from PCs via their open architecture. Just sayin’..”
This is a valid criticism and a decent reason to not use apple.
It is not a sufficient reason to ridicule people who do use apple stuff. Just as “you obviously are a design troglodyte whose taste resides solely in his mouth” is not a reasonable criticism of people who strictly avoid apple stuff.
Buy what works for how you use it and STFU about what works for others. The fanboy/anti-fanboy shi… stuff reflects poorly on both sides in equal measure.
The forum just went full retard.
“The forum just went full retard.”
I didn’t realize we had the mayor-elect as a regular. Welcome, Rahm. Sorry for outing you.
Anon, maybe.
I’d look a lot stupider than I already do rocking cans instead of buds.
“I’d look a lot stupider than I already do rocking cans instead of buds.”
Oh, no doubt, but like I implied, it’s going halfway audiogeek that’s as likely to invite scorn. Like claiming to be an apple fanboy but claiming you prefer doing your video editing and desktop publishing on a Windows desktop box.
Pretty weak analogy, brah.
There is nothing wrong with driving an automatic transmission chevy, but please don’t call the dude driving the stick Audi a d-bag who knows nothing about cars.
Otherwise people think you are ignorant at best or a hater at worse.
Can we get back to RE??!!!???
“Pretty weak analogy, brah.”
Brah? Really?
True enough tho, just trying to bring the scorn from the unexpected angle–scorn for not being *enough* of an audiogeek.
Probably should have gone with “claiming to be an apple fanboy while being completely uninterested in the 2d gen iPad”.
“Can we back to real estate??!!??”
No one is stopping you. Do you have something to say about the property at the head of the thread?
How do you feel about it’s lack of proximity to the Athenian Room*? Big negative, right?
*if anyone remembers that listing.
I have an iphone(started with a 3g and currently have the 4) and a macbook. Love them both. I did not vote for Obama, and never ever would.
Oh and Dan I can bench more than 1.5x my weight–but yeah I do not work at an Apple store.
Sonies, what Big10 school did you attend?
I went to the same B1G(lol) school as groove
Ok, so where did groove attend?
Man I hate that logo.
I like products and technology but I couldn’t give less of a shit about image.
It was through hardware based on general standards and software that was somewhat poorly written and needed to be able to check for and accept faults and different settings that led Windows/Intel to be as bad as it was in the late 90s – early 2000s, and that is a big reason why Apple has done so well for the last ten years in the PC market.
Until then, there was no mainstream acceptance of the idea that it makes sense to pay more for well-integrated hardware and software designed for the user experience. That’s why Apple ate everyone’s lunch for a decade. At the same time, they’ve come up with killer devices that implemented functionality no one else had been able to create. They’ve always been the first to do something very well, and that’s why they’ve been so successful.
My view is that there used to be big advantage in user experience for MacOS over Windows, but now it’s a lot closer. However, they have their loyal user base now. You can call this “drinking the Koolaid” or otherwise suggest that it’s derogatory, but that just strikes me as insecurity leading to a need to criticize others for stuff that doesn’t really affect you.
I generally buy high-end Apple hardware refurbished, and have found it to last a long time and hold resale value very well, so I usually sell them when Applecare is up. I agree that it’s not the absolute cheapest computing solution, but it’s no more than a few hundred dollars a year of ownership more expensive.
I have a similar philosophy on cars (buy high-end used, take good care of, sell a few years later) and it has served me well. However, I completely recognize that this is much more expensive than buying a cheap GM, for example. My big dislike of GM has always been that they can’t manage to make both cars that are cheap and compact but with good engines and transmissions (which they’ve gotten very good at) AND cars that are nicer inside, more luxurious and better technology and integration. I almost bought a CTS-V based on price and performance but the interior and technology just sucked on it so much I didn’t.
I think that the bailout of GM was the right thing to do, because I believe it was too big to fail and the cascade effect would have been disastrous. I would have liked to see more of the idiots who made bad decisions there get thrown out, but it probably wasn’t appropriate for the government to be any more involved than they were.
Who knew that writing about a property semi-close to an Apple store would elicit such a discussion. Imagine if there was a post about a property actually right next door!
lol.i thought i was on fark for a minute here.
I’m just scared that I agree with Dan on most of his comments.
As for the apartment, buyer should demand furniture, nicely done. Particularly like the painting behind the table.
“and that is a big reason why Apple has done so well for the last ten years in the PC market.”
“That’s why Apple ate everyone’s lunch for a decade. ”
What planet are you on? Apple was saved by the iPod, not by Macs. Its not even close.
I remember doing a case study on Apple in undergrad (about a decade ago). The iMac while not a huge disappointment did not resuscitate Apple. Apple is where they are today because of the iPod and their successful transition to the iPhone. Macintosh had nothing to do with it.
“Apple is where they are today because of the iPod and their successful transition to the iPhone.”
I have to agree with Bob on this. Microsoft and the PC world ate Apple’s lunch in terms of the Mac. Before the iPod, Apple was literally just 30 days away from having to declare bankruptcy (or something thereabouts.) That’s why Jobs is so insistent about not paying a dividend to shareholders, even though the company now has billions. He is scarred by the memory that the ship was just days away from sinking.
Apple in the mid 90’s used to come out with statement after statement warning about production problems. They always had the most loyal base and exceptional goodwill attached to their name but without the ipod they never could have made it on computers.
“but without the ipod they never could have made it on computers.”
They still aren’t really making it on computers if you look at market share. Apple these days is much more of a consumer electronics company than computer company. Just from looking at revenues you might not get that impression but when you look where they have margins all their profits are from iPods and iPhones.
The gamers and computer nerds I know have PCs. The hipsters I know have Macs.
Apple may not have huge market share overall, but their market share of premium/luxury computers is pretty high. Plenty of PC makers don’t even try to compete on that end of the market (witness HP buying Voodoo and then cancelling the lineup). Their computers are also quite profitable; the 25-100% (depending on product cycle) Apple tax over identical PC hardware sees to that.
Oh, and after my experience with the crippling effects that iOS 4.0 had my iPhone 3G, anyone who tells me that Apple products ‘just work’ can go fuck themselves.
endless
To the posters who have memories of the Commodore et al: whatever happened to the IBM PC Junior? You know, the one that was advertised on TV in the 80’s with the “Charlie Chaplin” lookalike “silent spokesperson.”
Rumor had it that the Chaplin character was a woman in costume.
I’m typing this message on my “Raspberry” (Blackberry with red casing).
I think I will pick the athenian room over the apple store.
Did the iPod bring Apple back to solvency? Perhaps. That’s not really the point though.
Chew on this: Apple’s average unit sales price is 1.8x that of Wintel machines. They currently have about 10% of the market, by UNITS. If you extend that to $ sales, they’re at about 18%, which puts them in third place in the market behind HP and Dell. And when you factor in profitability, ON COMPUTER SALES ALONE, they’re #1.
Then, tack on iPhone, iPad, etc.
You guys keep talking about how bad Apple computers *were*. Is anyone arguing any differently? What is of note is how they’ve managed to use the funding from their iPod success and turn their computers around 180 degrees. At this point, they’re doing nearly everything right, and the market share (and capitalization!) reflects it.
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2011/01/13/113535-gartner_4Q10_us.png
I dunno, what ever happened to Tandy?
I had a tandy 1000
“I dunno, what ever happened to Tandy?”
Tandy = TRS = Radio Shack.
I also had a Tandy 1000 and I played the $hit out of King’s Quest and Police Quest (and even a little Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards). It was like watching Legos walk around on the screen.
haha kings quest 3 had like 10 floppy disks and was the most impossible game ever
I don’t remember it being particularly difficult. I was nine.
ok perhaps not difficult, but more annoying since if you wanted to do anything it needed the exact phrase typed in
maybe my nostalgia is a bit fuzzy as I was around that same age, perhaps younger. I just remember Jordan vs. Bird being far more fun to play
I liked Dr J vs Bird better, the way they moves seemed more authentic.
“lossless audio should sound amazing, its probably the stereo, or the cord connecting to your “best buy stereo””
have tried connecting two ways. through a headphone to rca cord, and through a belkin dock.
“CH on March 4th, 2011 at 9:54 am
have tried connecting two ways. through a headphone to rca cord, and through a belkin dock.”
…both of which presumably plug into your admittedly mediocre-at-best stereo through the same input?
Something I wonder about for Apple is whether they have enough of a head start in iP* devices, software, peripherals, etc., to have a durable position. I tend to think they do. I don’t have any particular love or hate for Apple, but I when I buy a tablet, it will almost certainly be an ipad. I know they have the apps I want, even if it’s likely that I’ll be able to get most of them for most other devices too. Even just being able to share power adapters is worth something to me. They also seem to have developed cost advantages because of buying power. If you told me I could get something more or less comparable to the new ipad at a significant discount, I’d think about it, but no one seems to be offering that (I haven’t looked that closely yet). Apple’s cost advantages seem to be such that even given their margins, no one is able to undercut substantially. (I know there are also issues for follower products in terms of not pricing too low and seeming low quality, but it’s got to be a strategy worth trying for someone if they could.)
“Something I wonder about for Apple is whether they have enough of a head start in iP* devices, software, peripherals, etc., to have a durable position.”
I think their position is fundamentally safe at least thru Jobs’ retirement/death. What happens thereafter is a *huge* unknown. First post-Jobs misstep sends the marginal fanboy (which is most of them) into apoplexy, and they’d need to step up quickly, accurately and better to solidly win them back.
Wildcard is if Google decided to go hard on hardware development. Seems they opted against, for now, but they could change their mind anytime, and Jobs’ retirement/death would be an obvious decision point.
“I just remember Jordan vs. Bird being far more fun to play”
sorry Double Dribble was a way more fun basketball game. untill your buddy cheated and found the three point “sweet spot”
“Wildcard is if Google decided to go hard on hardware development”
i had the first google phone it was sweet, i still have it as my back up.
“…both of which presumably plug into your admittedly mediocre-at-best stereo through the same input?”
yes. it is an older pioneer reciever vsx-305. i think i use the ld/dvd input
“i think i use the ld/dvd input”
Well there’s your problem (possibly). Try it on the Aux In.
“i had the first google phone it was sweet, i still have it as my back up.”
Nexus One? Not just the first, the *only*.
there is no aux in, oddly. my other options would be vcr/tape1, tape2/monitor or phono.
super sophisticated stuff.
“Nexus One? Not just the first, the *only*.”
nexus S is out, well its really a samsung galaxy s with a google sticker 🙂
*also true audiophiles rock tube amps and cans for on the go. nothing more perfect than vinyl through a tube amp.
“there is no aux in, oddly. my other options would be vcr/tape1, tape2/monitor or phono.
super sophisticated stuff.”
OK, then I’d go with “you need a receiver that isn’t 10+ years old” as a genuine possibility, too. But try the “Monitor” input.
“nexus S is out, well its really a samsung galaxy s with a google sticker”
Right, because it wasn’t google driving all the specs, like with the One, which they yanked in a pull back from the hardware space.
yeah Ch, go spend $300 on a newer denon receiver or pioneer or whatever if its that terrible sounding, that’s like half the cost of a new i phone!
Of course not, you’re not the image they’re trying to cultivate, unless you are African-American, then by all means masculinity is acceptable.
“Oh and Dan I can bench more than 1.5x my weight–but yeah I do not work at an Apple store.”
You are all showing your age.
“like with the One, which they yanked in a pull back from the hardware space”
then ONE from what i know was a htc which google pushed its specs on. the S i dont know about as ended up getting a galaxy S with its piece of shyte GPS. i will never buy a samsung product again. (wife had the samsung Behold2 until she threw it at the wall)
thanks for all the advice. i guess i dont get how the cds can sound good on my old school receiver but ipod does not.
next test will be ipod vs discman through the same input. my money is on the discman. but I suppose it could just be a better fit for the input. maybe if i use the headphone out on the discman it will be an even race.
“next test will be ipod vs discman through the same input.”
Good idea. Interesting that you still have a discman and know where to find it.
What kind of iPod are you using?
I used to live down the block from this building. My building was torn down and now a three flat is in its place. I’m not surprised this building went condo conversion. The entire stretch of damen is all now condos and cinderblock.
“CH on March 4th, 2011 at 11:01 am
thanks for all the advice. i guess i dont get how the cds can sound good on my old school receiver but ipod does not.”
Can you be more specific about how it sounds bad? The info you have provided does not indicate that you are an audiophile.
tfo, I might be overly optimistic about finding it, but there is more than one floating around in a closet.
bradford, it is the video ipod, 30gb. i think from 06 or 07. the sound is kind of muddled and dull. and sounds are missing. (little snare drums or whatever) even on the highest bit rate mp3s and lossless. I am no audiophile which is why it bums me out that I notice.
“tfo, I might be overly optimistic about finding it, but there is more than one floating around in a closet.”
I believe we still have two, and perhaps three, but wouldn’t wager on whether I could turn one up in under 30 minutes or more than 30 hours of hard searching.
Wow. I wish Sabrina would delete/remove all of this tangential stuff so housing could be discussed. Doesn’t your interest fade when people start to paint with large, meaningless brushes? I.e. people who buy macs are X, Y, same who voted for O’Bama. OMG! Whomever said the forum got retarded was on.
Please Sabrina, delete this crap including my rant.
That said, the subject property seems to have small bedrooms and a beefy price tag. South of $400K for a 2/2 in the city–unless it’s something exceptional. I don’t feel this is the exception, but the rule–
If anything, the Apple/RE development link should be discussed. Apple was given this nearby site because they payed to redevelop the North/Clybourn El stop, which was so so so busted.
BIG CORPORATE BUSINESS influencing politics o no 🙁
On the other hand, we have Walmart wanting to develop a grocer in the very distressed East Lakeview big box zoned area (Borders — 25-50% off!), and the world is against them.
Regardless, the big-box feel of Clybourn should not command the asking price for this place. Granted, I am no fan of uber-modern “Beetlejuice homes” (as I call them). Yet being on this stretch of Clybourn (no good transit access) surrounded by big box to the north and old Cabrini to the south?
It’s like getting the worst of the burbs and the worst of Chicago. Awful location.
No transit access? What?? I lived a block from there for 5 years. Redline close, Brownline close, 5 minute ride to the Kennedy in the morning, and 15 minute drive to the loop straight down Clybourn to Orleans (never any traffic). Just don’t drive down Clybourn on the weekends between 12-5 (but you could take Halsted or Sheffield (or the road behind (Best Buy), and typically it usually isn’t bad except during the month of December.
Clybourn is straight up a transit FAIL unless you love walking down Clybourn to the red line (the brown line at Armitage is a GIANT stretch and counterproductive at this location). Point blank. No good bus access at all, and the lack of a bus route on Clybourn itself makes the entire street completely pointless.
Some people are aggro enough as it is living off of CLARK between Wrightwood and Dickens given there are no East-West bus lines aside from Diversey and North. You have NOTHING here except North Ave.
So a 2/2 on Clybourn is less than ideal, unless you do plan on driving any and everywhere, and dealing with the ridiculous traffic.
Like I said: worst of the big box burbs, worst of Chicago “urban living.” I stand by my assessment.
Don’t forget that North Ave here is a parking lot pretty much 12 hours a day 7 days a week
Oh and the only positive of this location is you can walk to Pequods Pizza pretty quickly
What type of buyer would buy this unit? Someone who drives everyday? With a 20% down payment, how much would a single person need to earn to qualify for this one?
I just don’t see how this price will work.
I do agree that Pequod’s Pizza is quite good.
Best Buy had a 10.1″ Gateway netbook on sale a couple of weeks ago for $229. I would totally buy one of it goes on sale again. All I need is to be able to access the internet cheaply and reliably and have something light I can throw in my back pack travelling between NY and Chicago. I don’t need apps or anything. Actually, the made-in-China Acer netbooks are awesome too and never seem to break.