Forget Trump- Live Near The Top Of The World For Under $1 Million in the John Hancock Center
This 2-bedroom on the 91st floor of the John Hancock Center at 175 E. Delaware in the Gold Coast has been on the market since August 2011.
In that time it has been reduced $205,000 and is now listed at $995,000.
The south facing unit was a 3-bedroom but has been opened up to a more expansive 2-bedroom measuring 1752 square feet.
The unit has a modern kitchen with Italian Pelini cabinets and Miele and Gaggenau appliances.
It has 13 foot ceilings and maple wood floors.
Is this a deal compared with other similarly tall buildings for this square footage?
Pat Cohen at Baird & Warner has the listing. See the pictures here.
Unit #9108: 2 bedrooms, 2.5 baths, 1752 square feet
- Sold in October 1994 for $390,000
- Sold in October 2001 for $560,000
- Originally listed in August 2011 for $1.2 million
- Reduced several times
- Currently listed at $995,000
- Assessments of $1567 a month (includes cable, doorman, pool)
- Taxes of $9615
- Parking available for rent between $300 and $335 a month
- Wall units for cooling
- No in-unit washer/dryer (but the building now allows it)
- Bedroom #1: 17×12
- Bedroom #2: 10×17
I think for a cool mill I’d rather not live in a dated highrise with high assessments like JH and instead live some place I’d love to.
Seriously even if wealthy telling people you live here in Chicago might impress people in…West Dundee…but that is still Chicagoland. There’s no status when you expand it further out. But people that buy here likely don’t believe that truth.
I agree that for $1 million upfront and $3K per month of ass/tax/parking it is a small number of potential buyers however there will always be people like me that are attracted to this Iconic building. The views are excellent and at 91 floors they are likely protected for a long time to come. I would struggle with the lower ceilings and the likelihood of slightly out dated lobby amenities etc of the building.
Anyone know what floor/unit Chris Farley lived in? Would not want to own that one!
For being such a high end unit there are some really odd choices in furniture – look at the cheapie desk in the living room; the cheesey wall hangings.
IMHO all you need to see is the 2001 price to get an idea of this unit’s worth.
A few interesting notes: 1) 13 foot ceilings. Most of the units I’ve seen in this building have much lower ceilings I thought. Must be the higher floors. 2) Same agent has unit 9103 listed at the same price, same size except it has a sky terrace and faces north, same time on the market. 3) If it is not the same owner (both in numbered trusts) then why would you pick an agent that is working for your competitor? 4) No pictures for unit 9103. Why would you do that?
I’ll bet it’s the same owner.
Gary – I missed the 13 foot ceilings. That is a real game changer that makes the unit look much closer to new construction options. I’d say that they need to upgrade those can lights and then add some higher end contemporary finishes to the space but otherwise it is a pretty decent unit.
Can you see the fireworks from this vantage point? If so that it is another plus. Wish it was on the SW corner as those views must be awesome!
The top two floors of condos at the JH (floors 91 and 92) have 13-foot ceilings. That makes these levels a major improvement over the typical JH condo and worth a premium.
Like JP, I wish this unit were on a corner. I’d get always having the same view out of every window, though the view is certainly tremendous and unlikely to ever be blocked. There’s a SW corner unit a little lower (8011) that has a dramatic corner living room with views south to downtown and west to the sunset that was made larger by getting rid of one of the BRs. Of course, you have to deal with the lower ceilings.
I meant I’d get bored having the same view out of every window. Sorry that got garbled.
I dont know, i get the who iconic thing and all, and the whole 91 stories high, and the grocery store in the sky, and partial get the location.
but at 1.2 mil for a 2 bedroom? i would rather get a high unit at 340 on the park and have a lower monthly nut to cover (sans mort payment)
Groove,
The price is down now to $995,000. Still not cheap, I know.
I have to admit, it would be cool to live that high up. I wouldn’t enjoy the long elevator rides though. Do the residents have to use that spiral entrance to access the garage or do they have a separate entrance? The spiral looks interesting, but I would hate to deal with it every day.
A question for anyone who lives in the JH:
When I parked in the Hancock garage a few years ago, a security guard at the base of the garage stopped my car and made me open my trunk for a security check.
Do residents have to deal with this? Besides being a nuisance, it seems to me it would underscore the insecurity of living in an iconic building that security obviously worries could be a terrorist target.
“Groove,
The price is down now to $995,000. Still not cheap, I know.”
thanks for pointing that out anon(ufo) ……wha wha wait? et tu Dan 2?
A more attractive option at a similar price point: Trump Tower, 2 BR, 3 BA on 56th floor, 2,000 SF, lower assessments:
http://www.urbanrealestate.com/property/401-N-Wabash-Unit-56D-Chicago-IL-60611-2CMCVOCAPZM2M.html
“I wouldn’t enjoy the long elevator rides though.”
Elevators are pretty fast. I’m sure the residential elevators are slower than the ones to the observation deck and resto, but still pretty fast I think.
“Do the residents have to use that spiral entrance to access the garage or do they have a separate entrance?”
I think it’s the kinda thing that you wouldn’t even think about after you got used to it.
“the insecurity of living in an iconic building that security obviously worries could be a terrorist target”
I know people who were v unsettled about being there right after 9/11. Hancock and Sears would have been obvious alternative targets.
Hancock is coolest looking building in town. those pics of the view dont do it justice. still, this is priced a little high for the amount of space you get, i think, given that trump comp d2 posted
Haven’t you heard, Chicago is not a Global City… just second-rate and capital of the midwest.
No terrorist worries now.
Urbanophile blogger Aaron M. Renn, http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_2_chicago.html
Awesome views, wow I can’t even imagine, this is actually pretty cheap all things considered. The only deal killer for me would be the no in unit laundry… like i wanna lug my crap up and down 91 floors!
Sonies,
If I’m correct (and I think I am), the Hancock has laundry units every other floor, so the most you’d have to do is go up or down one floor.
And most amenities for residents (lobby, grocery store, pool, fitness center) are on the 44th floor, not the 1st floor, so you’d only need to go down 91 floors if you were exiting the building.
Chicago, now the murder capital of the world as well….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html
“Chicago, now the murder capital of the world as well….”
Not in terms of murder rate. Look to New Orleans, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Oakland, Baltimore for higher rates.
Just counting the US troops killed in these 3rd world crapholes is a bit misleading, since you know, they aren’t actually counting murders taking place in those cities.
I guarantee you 100% those troops would much rather live in Chicago than Kabul Afghanistan…
“Just counting the US troops killed in these 3rd world crapholes is a bit misleading, since you know, they aren’t actually counting murders taking place in those cities.”
Yeah, fair comparison would be to cops getting killed, as US troops in A’stan are basically the local popo.
Parking: I don’t recall if as someone who leases parking whether or not you get a pass. Easy enough to ask the realtor.
You get used to the spiral right quick. So quick that you tear up and down it and have to take it slower for any passengers that arent used to it otherwise theres yelling from the back seat
Elevators: two sets. One from lobby and parking. On from 44 and up. Right quick. Does it add more time. Yes. Do you wait for the elevators for more than 90 seconds ish – nope. Bigger time suck is taking the car out and dealing with all the one way streets east of michigan ave to get to where you wanna go – pretty much anything to avoid to CF at chestnut and Delaware and Michigan ave.
Security: if there was to be a repeat of planes, I think sears is target one – bigger impact. JH would be number 2. And really in terms of cities to hit, I’d think dc or la is more probable. Heck look at the post 911 stuff. The public trans is what’s been targeted
Chichow – am I right about laundry every other floor, or is it every third floor? Either way, sounds pretty convenient.
‘Haven’t you heard, Chicago is not a Global City… just second-rate and capital of the midwest.’
Wasn’t Aaron Renn’s apartment featured here on CC, or maybe it was another site, before he left for NY a few years ago?
Although I agree with some of what he’s saying, especially about the blood sucking unions at the city and state levels, I always find it odd when someone living outside the city points their finger at the city… especially when NY is used as a benchmark which is *always* a part of their editorial case regardless if they admit it or not (Forbes, NYT, and now the City Journal). Hmmm let’s see Aaron, if I had a multi billion / trillion dollar industry that helps finance the world (and ironically helped destroy the world) generating billions of city tax revenues in my back yard, I’d probably not have to worry about whether or not the garbage collectors get a raise or not. But we don’t, and nor does any other metropolitan area in the US.
Chicago has it’s problems, so who doesn’t? The employees in our NY, LA and even London offices, do *not* make that much more than those in the Chicago office. While we can’t really say ‘last night I sat next to Madonna at Pastis’ (if you do care about that you really should move), we can afford to buy a ‘nice’ urban place relative to our comparable salaries, the one thing that Chicagoans will never understand but always bitch about, with the same fear of being laid off as the masses of working NYrs. I’m sure the $3.4M up from $1.5M last year Brooklyn brownstones are indeed flying off the shelves (per the NYT piece a few weeks ago… hey, what recession? ), but who the hell wants mainland Chinese as landlords because well… ‘that’s global’?
Was every third floor
oh and since someone mentioned olympic center and electric stoves, the JH is also electric stoves.
I used to not like it, but if I lived there again I would do a gut rehab and put in an induction range so it wouldn’t matter.
I think the troop thing is a somewhat fair comparison. Most of the people getting shot and doing the shooting are in fact “soldiers” of our local gangs. The vast majority are not random killings despite the cries of family members saying “he was a good kid”. So when you compare soldiers doing that actual fighting versus thugs running in the streets, it is an apt comparison imho. Both are in a deadly game of chance.
Doesn’t city code forbid gas stoves in high rises?
“Doesn’t city code forbid gas stoves in high rises?”
Trump has gas ranges, no? Might it be banned *unless* there’s a spinkler system?
Renn: “Chicago is also being “Europeanized,” with poorer minorities leaving the center of the city and forced to its inner suburbs: 175,000 of those 200,000 lost people were black.”
This is a positive. I wonder why the murder rate is so high today, given the exodus of the demographic most statistically correlated it. Pro-homosexualization and abortions, contraception, feminzation of women, less promotion of marriage, etc. are what is keeping the natural birth rate down. So, we need immigration? Problem is the immigrants are not as productive as would be the European-American kids not born, due to the above set of circumstances conspiring together to lower the birth rate we need to succeed.
Most newer condos have gas ranges…trump, 600 n fairbanks, cityfront, OMP, park view west to name a few.
Nothing ever changes, Helmut. The Britons were Romanized and then all went to hell when they withdrew; and the Britons invited some barbarian ‘guest workers’ aka the Anglos/Saxons and the Jutes to help them fight against the Picts; and the Anglos and Saxons basically committed genocide again the surviving Britons; the ones who got away moved across the English channel to Brittany, France and at some point in the future were overtaken by another group of less productive and warlike tribes called the Franks the root of the word France. What is my point? It all changes, new people come and go, and how you identify yourself today was really just yesterday’s Barbarian tribe. So all these groups you hate so much, someday they will be the majority, and you will be the minority, and forgotten about in the annals of history.
“helmethofer (June 20, 2012, 2:43 pm)
Renn: “Chicago is also being “Europeanized,” with poorer minorities leaving the center of the city and forced to its inner suburbs: 175,000 of those 200,000 lost people were black.”
This is a positive. I wonder why the murder rate is so high today, given the exodus of the demographic most statistically correlated it. Pro-homosexualization and abortions, contraception, feminzation of women, less promotion of marriage, etc. are what is keeping the natural birth rate down. So, we need immigration? Problem is the immigrants are not as productive as would be the European-American kids not born, due to the above set of circumstances conspiring together to lower the birth rate we need to succeed.”
“Doesn’t city code forbid gas stoves in high rises?”
It was the added cost of running those gas lines that likely held back some developers in the older buildings. I think that many buildings are powered by gas forced HVAC systems and there are gas pipes in high rises for that purpose so it is not a code issue.
‘… due to the above set of circumstances conspiring together to lower the birth rate we need to succeed.’
No mention of the sheer cost of raising children Dan? I saw something on the news the other day that said the average cost of raising a single child is $250k over 18 years. Maybe that figure was something of a sound bite rather than fact, but I’m sure it’s not far off.
‘feminzation of women’ Can you explain what that means? I assumed conservatives liked their women quietly submissive while wearing floral prarie dresses… ala Mit Morman’ish. Sounds pretty fem to me.
“No mention of the sheer cost of raising children Dan? I saw something on the news the other day that said the average cost of raising a single child is $250k over 18 years.”
i think i spent that in the first 4 years. but in context yes my child has his own iPad.
“No mention of the sheer cost of raising children.”
Laughable. Today, an immigrant from mexico can have multiple kids, get food stamps, walk into any charitable food pantry (tons of them), smartly buy luxury/designer goods for the whole family at Thrift stores, get housing in many parts of Chicagoland very cheap, free schools, free health care, free lunches at school, special affirm-action subsidies and scholarships for colleges, etc.
You can’t compare their cost in raising a family to that absurd number, which is some yuppie calculation. It’s far less. Basically, since even liberals such as yourself, decide to self-segregate away from the majority, you then have to buck-up to pay for expensive housing and schooling, etc. to maintain that segregation. That’s where that high number you quote comes from. The desire to self-segregate raises costs per kid, then you have less kids as a result, so you can lump that as yet another reason for the low, inadequate replacement birth rate…..so we need more immigrants and this cycle continues. Feminization has brainwashed many females into postponing childbirth until later years, whether this is good or bad, is subject to anyone’s opinion, but it doesn’t change the fact that women’s fertility drops with age and the birth rate is affected negatively by feminization, along with abortion etc.
kids are a horrible investment, you better hope they at least bring you pleasure! Because once they turn 18, you’ll spend another 250k on their college education!
oh, sorry Jay… I meant Feminist-ization, not feminization! LOL!
“yes my child has his own iPad”
ipads pay for themselves on a long flight.
“Feminization has brainwashed many females into postponing childbirth until later years, whether this is good or bad, is subject to anyone’s opinion, but it doesn’t change the fact that women’s fertility drops with age and the birth rate is affected negatively by feminization, along with abortion etc.”
This is merely natural selection and is what Darwin predicted, Helmut. It’s better to have fewer children who have a better chance at succeeding than to have multiple children, some of whom will go to prison, be shot on the streets, be injured on the job, have low incomes and statistically die at a much younger age than their self-segregating counterparts.
‘Basically, since even liberals such as yourself, decide to self-segregate away from the majority, you then have to buck-up to pay for expensive housing and schooling, etc. to maintain that segregation.’
Trying to wrap my mind around that one… maybe it’s the heat, but I can’t seem to get there. Also, I’m not a liberal, I’m kinda in between if that matters, nor do I have any children, but I do give *generously* to your majority (ie: taxes). Guess the majority depends heavily on people like myself, high(er) earners without the money sucking social baggage… I take little if anything from it, and yes I understand I enjoy the benefits of the military, I like paved roads, and it’s nice to see a police car drive by now and again. So forgive me if I take issue with your notion that the country needs more native born children from upstanding loins as your own, if we are to succeed as a nation. Maybe that’s why I like my old urban house…. work with what you already have.
Homicides in Chicago per year:
1990: 851
1991: 927
1992: 943
1993: 931
1994: 929
1995: 827
1996: 789
1997: 759
1998: 704
1999: 641
2000: 628
2001: 666
2002: 647
2003: 598
2004: 448
2005: 449
2006: 467
2007: 442
2008: 510
2009: 458
2010: 449
2011: 440
“ipads pay for themselves on a long flight.”
if tightly overseen (i.e. my wife) are a great learning/teaching tool.
still could convince my wife benefits of angry birds, which she promptly deleted and he LOVED it.
“Laughable. Today, an immigrant from mexico can have multiple kids, get food stamps, walk into any charitable food pantry (tons of them), smartly buy luxury/designer goods for the whole family at Thrift stores, get housing in many parts of Chicagoland very cheap, free schools, free health care, free lunches at school, ”
so can Whites, blacks, asian, pacific islander, something non-hispanic and other do this same scenario. I really dont see your point other than being angry at a system that you couldnt crack.
How many kids do you have helmet?
Shorter Helmethumper:
You rootless cosmopolitans are sapping the vital fluids of the Volk!
Holy cow! A thread on the JH property sure got on some interesting tangents today!
Since nobody could answer my question about Farley’s unit how about a follow up question….
One of those home lsiting shows discussed how you have to report a death in the home when selling the promptly in CA. Think that the house in question was in Malibu. The law held even if ithe person died of natural causes,
Assuming that the property was not a crime scene (aka Daimler or gacy’s place) but rather just a senior that had a heart attack in their sleep how much effect would that have on;
1. Sales price
2. Market time
3. Potential seller pool
Any thoughts? Should there be a similar law in IL? Would that make parts of the south and west side much more difficult to sell?
If I recall correctly, Farley lived on either the 60th or 62nd floor.
Meant Dahlmer
“This is merely natural selection and is what Darwin predicted, Helmut. It’s better to have fewer children who have a better chance at succeeding than to have multiple children, some of whom will go to prison, be shot on the streets, be injured on the job, have low incomes and statistically die at a much younger age than their self-segregating counterparts.”
You know nothing of Charles Darwin. However that doesn’t apparently stop you from extrapolating what you believe Charles Darwin thought about declining birthrates.
Thanks for the laugh. I laughed equally as hard when my sister said it makes sense that middle class birthrates are declining as children are “luxury goods”. I told her she didn’t have a fvcking clue either just as you don’t.
This is coming from bob who can’t find a woman for the life of him who would let him Implant her with his seed. Or gays can’t procreate. It’s one or the other. A
“Any thoughts? Should there be a similar law in IL? Would that make parts of the south and west side much more difficult to sell?”
As long as it’s not a crime scene: the answer is “none.”
People die in their houses/condos all the time. You think all those estate sales are simply someone moving to the nursing home? Of course not.
In fact, it was only until the last 70 years or so that humans started dying in hospitals instead of in their own homes. If you own a home from 1900, the odds are pretty good someone died in it.
“This is coming from bob who can’t find a woman for the life of him who would let him Implant her with his seed. Or gays can’t procreate. It’s one or the other. ”
I’m trying to wake you up. If you limit your number of kids because you think they’ll have a better lot in life I’ve got news for you: the government has already engineered the system to punish you. At every step along the way.
You’ll have higher income on your kids FAFSA, etc and the govt will be there to punish your prudence at every step. Whereas if you had six or eight kids you’ll get a whole host of govt programs and subsidies. Like not paying taxes for one.
But go ahead and have 2.3 kids because thats what you read is the optimized number. And watch Uncle Sam F you over your whole life because you’re a middle class white couple with 2 kids.
And thats a lot of eggs in one basket if, heaven forbid, you lose a child. Sure it’s rarer these days, but it still happens.
“if you had six or eight kids you’ll get a whole host of govt programs and subsidies”
That’s some advanced thinking there, but just the ipad budget alone would do you in. Then again, I guess you could never afford to fly anywhere, so maybe you don’t need the ipads. Just go on one of those free govt paid vacations.
Since we are on the whole death and real estate thing. The handcock and surrounding buildings are a former cementary.
“but just the ipad budget alone would do you in.”
And what if one of your kids is a F up? I know everyone thinks their kids are geniuses and will all be astronauts or cure cancer, but at the end of the day parental influence only goes so far and black sheep always exist in society. If you’re going the parenting route your odds are much better with more kids.
Bob, do you ever have positive thoughts? You should try it sometimes, make life much more fun!
“Whereas if you had six or eight kids you’ll get a whole host of govt programs and subsidies. Like not paying taxes for one.”
I can’t believe we’re comparing lower middle income and lower income people who have “6 or 8 kids” (really??? The only people I know with 6 kids in this era are rich people) with middle class people who have 2 kids and you’re actually arguing that the lower income people are somehow better off?
Come on. Get real.
Shorter Bob:
You fools! Can’t you see that I am history’s greatest victim?
“The only people I know with 6 kids in this era are rich people”
Thats because you likely never travel outside of your SWPL enclave. There are many families in the city with six kids. And no they don’t look like The Brady Bunch.
“so can Whites, blacks, asian, pacific islander, something non-hispanic and other do this same scenario. I really dont see your point other than being angry at a system that you couldnt crack.”
What are you talking about? The point is, jay’s suggestion that it’s uber-expensive to raise many kids in America is not true. There’s a smorgasboard of inexpensive incentives to live here, as was outlined in detail. It’s only “expensive” if one want to live in self-segregation, like Huffington Post types do, and then complain about the costs, LOL! Go visit the Salvation Army thrift stores on Grand, Clybourn, etc. Someone could clothe and entire family just fine by smartly shopping there, for mere dollars. Everything else in America is free! Schools, health care, food (if you know the games), parks, scholarships….the only thing one needs to buy is housing (cheap in many places) and a car/van. You can feed an entire family for a week on $30 by shopping for fresh food at Stanley’s on Elston.
It’s only the subjective false realities of keeping up with the joneses, that is the limit that makes people unhappy. One does not need $250,000 per child in America, unless you’re like Rahm, Clintons, Obamas, etc. the liberals that lie, that seek self-segregation for their own, hypocrites extraordinaire.
“This is merely natural selection and is what Darwin predicted, Helmut. It’s better to have fewer children who have a better chance at succeeding than to have multiple children, some of whom will go to prison, be shot on the streets, be injured on the job, have low incomes and statistically die at a much younger age than their self-segregating counterparts.”
It used to be Darwinism to have more children not less, because some died (TB, polio, savage kidnappings) along the way and the lower count couldn’t help the pioneers survive. I don’t understand that Darwinism supported things like abortion, feminism, and contraception and homosexuality. These are artificial/sickness concepts to nature and natural life.
I know plenty of poor people and it’s sad for anyone to think that it’s a good way of life with lots of free shit because it ain’t.
HD, being broke definitely is nothing to write home about even with all the government incentives. I think what gets a lot of the middle class upset though is that a lot of poor people have a hard time connecting personal decision making and their economic circumstances. There really is no reason that there should multiple generations of families on the public dole other than said family being a bit trifling.
It used to be poor folks used being poor as an excuse to work their asses off so the kids would have more opportunities. Now it seems like being poor is an excuse for why your kids aren’t any better off.
“You can feed an entire family for a week on $30 by shopping for fresh food at Stanley’s on Elston”
Hofer – I challenge you to show me how you can feed a family of 4 on groceries at any store much less Stanley’s on clybourn. That would be 84 total meals (21 meals x 4 people) or $0.36 per person per meal. Seems pretty tough to make that happen without being just rice and beans with tap water.
Bob must not have air-conditioning in his house. He is even more agitated than usual.
Of course, if you live in the JH you can eat at the Cheesecake Factory every night! 🙂
““You can feed an entire family for a week on $30 by shopping for fresh food at Stanley’s on Elston””
He must mean $30 out of pocket, in addition to the money on the EBT LINK card.
Helms, Bob, how many little “arrows” are in your “quivers”? Zero, I’m guessing. Don’t despair, though. There’s a Mrs. Dugger out there for each of you. Find her and git busy. The white race turns its weary eyes to you!
Seriously, though, I agree that there are ways to cut costs considerably in every domestic spending category without sacrificing central values like safety and education. But I’d like to see a back-of-the-envelope budget for a Chicagoland family of seven with one full-time wage earner making, say, 120 percent of the area’s median male salary. Cuz with five children, you only get one working spouse. Allow the wife to work full-time, say, 15 years after first baby. Be sure to figure in retirement savings, because pensions have gone the way of the dodo.
I’ll bet there are families that could make it work and be happy. OTOH, the numbers will tell you why rational economic actors don’t often choose to live like that. Call it selfishness if you want, but it’s a pattern seen everywhere: Rising wealth in any society lowers the birth rate.
“Of course, if you live in the JH you can eat at the Cheesecake Factory every night! ”
Laura Louzader frowns on this suggestion, though secretly would luv to try it
“But I’d like to see a back-of-the-envelope budget for a Chicagoland family of seven with one full-time wage earner making, say, 120 percent of the area’s median male salary.”
I could be done but you’d be cramming 5 children into a 3 bedroom house in the exurbs and hand -me-downs galore. I guarantee there would be some sort of government assistance in there somewhere, whether it be the LINK card or some food stamps or something a family of 7 trying to live on 120% of the median salary is an exercise in frugality and austerity, and not for the weak minded.
Monthly parkers at the Hancock get a pass and are not required to have the car trunk checked by Security. The only recent exception was for the NATO meeting when they checked all vehicles going into the garage, not just daily parkers.
As for the helix ramp, you definitely get used to it. I am a sporadic Hanock parker and can definitely drive the ramp a lot faster than a first-timer.
Poor people should be sent to the suburbs to live with all the cribchatterers!