Get a 3-Bedroom in a Silver Leed-Certified Building: 1322 N. Clybourn on the Near North Side
We last chattered about this new(er) construction silver leed-certified building at 1322 N. Clybourn on the Near North Side in December 2009.
See our prior chatter here.
We last chattered about Unit #3N, a 3-bedroom unit, which was originally listed in July 2009 for $499,000 and which finally sold in June 2010 for $422,000.
Some of you were surprised these units would sell at all given the location in the shadow of Cabrini Green.
Recently, this 3-bedroom unit, Unit #2N, came on the market.
It has 10 foot ceilings, floor to ceiling windows and bamboo floors.
The kitchen has granite counter tops and stainless steel appliances.
The master bath has onyx counter tops.
This unit is currently listed for about $100,000 under the 2007 purchase price.
Will the changes in the neighborhood since 2009 help sell this unit?
Scott Rife at Prudential Rubloff has the listing. See the pictures here.
Unit #2N: 3 bedrooms, 2 baths, 1800 square feet
- Sold in December 2007 for $575,000
- Currently listed for $474,900
- Assessments of $340 a month
- Taxes of $6465
- Central Air
- Washer/Dryer in the unit
- Bedroom #1: 18×12
- Bedroom #2: 13×11
- Bedroom #3: 12×11
This one is priced a bit high, maybe it will sell in high 300s, given the top unit sold at low 400s less than a year ago.
I think people are buying in this area because the agents are pointing to the knocked down Cabrini high rises, and promising a profitable return in the not so distant future. However, this area has lots of not as noticeable row houses, and let’s face it, nothing drags down the real estate prices like surrounded by low income community.
I’m not a fan of the orange counter tops. Also, when do the mid-rise and townhome cha buildings get knocked down around here? And why are there so many homeless in this area? Is there a homeless shelter around here?
This is a commercial corner not even close to being suitable for a four level residential building despite the crap commercial on the ground floor.. This one is a hot mess.
My friend actually lived in this location as a rental. Very nice building and a great rooftop. However, after the garage got broken into for the 3rd time and his car broken into while in the garage, he decided it was not worth it.
The property is just not in a good location. There is nothing around it.
What’s going on with that bathtub? Never seen that before. Reminds me of the Flintstones.
would make for an easy commute for someone who works at the flyfishing store.
Mike hg: the cabrini midrises are coming down, but the lowrises west of Larabee and north of Chicago aren’t. Also, don’t forget about the other non-Cabrini cha in the hood. The goliath projects on segwick north of division, the random cha units in smaller buildings. This hood will have cha in it for a long, long time.
The owner of Orange Julius should live here. They would feel right at home!
Does silver LEED status really add any value in today’s market?
Jp3chicago,
It’s like vegetarian pizza. Whenever a group of people order pizzas they always order several vegetarian pizzas because it makes them feel good about ordering it. Then when everyone is done eating all the vegetarian pizzas are left.
lol @ Gary. It has chicken pox.
“It’s like vegetarian pizza. Whenever a group of people order pizzas they always order several vegetarian pizzas because it makes them feel good about ordering it. Then when everyone is done eating all the vegetarian pizzas are left.”
haha so true. i hate it.
Gary: dunno about that. I’m a meat eater for life, but I loves me some veggie pizza. Plain cheese. Or maybe with a ton of garlic. Good ol’ fashioned margherita. My favorite is kalamata olives, banana peppers and artichokes.
But yeah, if I only got to choose one slice, it’d be pepperoni. 🙂
“There is nothing around it.”
It’s like an environmental superfund site. It takes a long time to remediate the ills of lots of urban housing pollution.
The old Ollies is still open for business though I see. Going upscale. Door actually has a window now.
Looks really homey. What a pleasant, quiet place to live. Great corner.
Just kidding.
Oh – and I love the view from the balcony. What a beautiful scene.
Seriously, I’ve seen prettier views in Schaumburg.
” Whenever a group of people order pizzas they always order several vegetarian pizzas because it makes them feel good about ordering it.”
huh?? seriously? I guess I don’t hang out with morons who would get some kind of gratification based on what they order (and then don’t even eat)
You know a location is questionable when the “Near North” label is used. It actually looks like a fairly high quality place; aside from the orange counters, I sort of like the kitchen. Otherwise, it’s yucksville, population them.
As for the pizza issue, having gone meatless on my pizzas for about 20 years now, my experience has been that yes, so-called vege pizzas are often ordered (whatever the motivation) yet routinely go uneaten (other than the occassional deepdish with spinach or thin crust with garlic and basil or maybe sun-dried tomatoes, I don’t get vegatables on my pizzas, nor do most of the vegetarians I know). However, plain cheese (or relatively plain, e.g., just some garlic and basil, etc.) pizzas always seem to be completely eaten – by the meat-eaters in the group. I’ve actually found myself sliceless after those who wanted a meat pizza opted instead (or in addition to meat) for the non-meat.
Whatever. Real pizza is just bread, tomato, cheese and basil. Not the disgusting deep dish thing with 2000 calories a slice.
“huh?? seriously? I guess I don’t hang out with morons who would get some kind of gratification based on what they order (and then don’t even eat)”
anonny that is my experience too when I order (or make) pizza, but I don’t hang out with people who think their masculinity is defined by having a beer belly and getting a hard attack at 50 and popping Viagra at age 40.
WTF,
Uneaten Pizza, blasphemy i say! please tell me that chick style vegi-pizza will be taken home and at least eaten as leftovers?
thats as sad as watching a organic only hipster smoking a cigarette
I saw this unit a couple of weekends ago, it is quite lovely in person (not so orange). I agree that the location makes it a “no” for me, but if you could move it a coupe of blocks northeast… They have music playing in the lobby which was a nice touch. Rooftop deck was great.
“The property is just not in a good location. There is nothing around it.”
There’s going to be a Target basically across the street (a little south) in about 18 months. Not that that’s a value plus for *this* place, but there won’t be *nothing* nearby.
Also, yojimbo’s is right there, so you can have your fixie well maintained by someone else.
anyone that purposely orders vegetarian pizza over meat and isn’t a vegetarian is a complete douchebag
pizza makes it easy to eat your veggies; supreme!
the view from the balcony in the last photo is remarkable, it looks like it’s in some medium-size town in Nebraska or something, all that’s missing is a large grain elevator.
I know we’re not supposed to talk about decor, but the bed is missing a canopy, and re: staging why are there two shitter books left on the countertop in the master bath btw the sinks? also nice toothbrush
“anyone that purposely orders vegetarian pizza over meat and isn’t a vegetarian is a complete douchebag”
So, if you eat meat, but don’t want a meat pizza sometimes, that make you a db?
“getting a hard attack at 50 and popping Viagra at age 40”
Was that a Freudian typo?
PS green peppers (preferably fried first) is the only way to give a veggie pizza any comparable taste. Even onions, the canned black olives, mushrooms, and spinach, etc. are basically bland and tasteless.
“So, if you eat meat, but don’t want a meat pizza sometimes, that make you a db?”
uh thats what I said wasn’t it?
“I know we’re not supposed to talk about decor, but the bed is missing a canopy, and re: staging why are there two shitter books left on the countertop in the master bath btw the sinks?”
Dan, I’m starting to believe your hostility towards gays, and beliefs of white male suppression, are both being based on not yet having been accepted as a contestant on Design Stars or Project Runway. 🙂
Meat on pizza is a recipe for food poisoning. I’m not vegetarian yet I rarely eat meat pizzas. Ill take a spinach and mushroom pizza 99% of the time over sausage and pepperoni. But that’s just me.
see guys?
its proven now
But seriously. Mushrooms on pizza is awesome! And Chicago deep dish is better than NY thin crust.
Dan, quit smoking and your tastebuds will come back.
“uh thats what I said wasn’t it?”
“Meat on pizza is a recipe for food poisoning. I’m not vegetarian yet I rarely eat meat pizzas. Ill take a spinach and mushroom pizza 99% of the time over sausage and pepperoni. But that’s just me.”
HD–join me, miumiu, and anonny in the “sonies thinks I’m a db” camp. It’s a fun place, I swear!
“This is a commercial corner not even close to being suitable for a four level residential building despite the crap commercial on the ground floor.. This one is a hot mess.”–WHo would want to live there? Best Buy Employees?
“the canned black olives”
If you order pizza from places that use black olives (or mushrooms) from a can, that’s your fault. Kalamatas and fresh mushrooms, only.
“Ill take a spinach and mushroom pizza 99% of the time”
Can’t be beat! Unicorn criteria should include being w/in walking distance of it’s availability, even on the coldest of days.
sorry anon, I never knew…
I had a an onyx bracelet once. I barely knocked it against something and it broke.
Sausage, FTW.
“sorry anon, I never knew…”
To be clear, I don’t order it for a group in case there’s a veg-person who might want it (barring kids–lotsa kids only eat the plain cheese); I order it–from certain places–because I like it. And not for fear of food poisoning.
Also, Welcome Ze!! Now the camp has a supply of weed to go with our meatless pizzas!
“I had a an onyx bracelet once. I barely knocked it against something and it broke.”
had a onyx cd and i swear it broke my sony walkman headphones.
Wow… Oynx. Just slam!
Thank HUD and city connected contractors and developers who just cant refuse Federal housing money for holding back true price discovery and value in the near north side as the suckle off the Federal tit under the guise of “helping the needy”. Theres literally thousands of empty acres and boarded up homes on the west and south side yet the planning geniuses want to plop down CHA units all over the most desirable locations in the city thus A – driving down value and B- retarding growth the city desperately needs in some of the most prime urban land in the country. In the last year I have experienced 1 beating 2 CHA residents one night off Wells Street, 2 smashed windshields and come across countless homeless people urinating in my alley. All this AFTER the bulk of the CHA highrises came down. Simply put the tax paying citizens of this city need to DEMAND an end to this bullshit. Because if it doesnt, Chicago will reach it’s growth limit. Nobody wants to live among gangbangers and welfare factories. This area is still dangerous.
“Wow… Oynx. Just slam!”
didnt one of them do a movie with queen latifa? or was in the jersey drive movie. man memory is fading.
also, Russ mad props I love my single speed cruiser! thanks again!
“Dan, I’m starting to believe your hostility towards gays, and beliefs of white male suppression”
hostility? that belongs to those (you know who you are) that are hysterical to rewrite textbooks, operas, and everything else Western/American that’s positive, moral & good. PS you don’t have to be homosexual to pick colors. It’s ridiculous to suggest that gay supremacy exists with “design”. Nonsense. What happens is when gays (or jews for that matter) move into a certain neighborhood (or field of business) it drives out/displaces the others who consciously (or subconsciously) are repulsed by the alien culture and want no part of it.
Most chicagoland pizza places don’t offer kalamata olives, I agree that those wouldn’t be bland.
spinach (especially stuffed) is standard (not to mention self-evidently delicious). mushroom pizza is marvelous.
let the boys be boys…
Let me get this straight. You experienced 1 beating (of?) 2 CHA residents? That must be some crazy kung fu stuff you got..
I just like good pizza. You can have the rest.
“Most chicagoland pizza places don’t offer kalamata olives”
Like I said, you’re just ordering from the wrong places.
“anyone that purposely orders vegetarian pizza over meat and isn’t a vegetarian is a complete douchebag”
Anyone who says something like that is a GD idiot. My inner clio is coming out…
“Anyone who says something like that is a GD idiot.”
That’s why I asked for clarification. Seemed dumb by any standard.
I was jumped by 2 residents of the Marshall Field Apartments for no other reason than fun from what I could tell. Ya, lovely people in those CHA buildings. Jump people for fun – not to rob them, just for the fun of beating people.
“My inner clio is coming out…”
Embrace it with all caps and exclamation points and you will achieve WEALTH AND HAPPINESS!!!! That is, if you are a maverick and doer, not a MORON AND IDIOT!!!!
“Meat on pizza is a recipe for food poisoning. I’m not vegetarian yet I rarely eat meat pizzas. Ill take a spinach and mushroom pizza 99% of the time over sausage and pepperoni. But that’s just me.”
WTF are you talking about? Forgetting for a moment that most meat toppings are of the highly salted, cured variety, the heat and length at which most pizzas are cooked would kill any problematic bacteria. Unless the pizza joint has serious hygiene or cross-contamination issues, a cooked pizza in a delivery enclosure should be a relatively sterile thing.
If you are ordering pasty, undercooked pizza from a place with hygiene problems, I recommend finding a new place to eat, regardless of your choice of toppings.
“It’s ridiculous to suggest that gay supremacy exists with “design”.”
Like you say, it’s ridiculous to suggest we are all equal. I say we take two of Clios places and have a design-off between you and westloopelo.
Market starts at 7:1 odds… not even going to state the obvious of who is over.
btw.. the nuance of my comment was maybe that the real odds should be 1:1 (wink-wink)
Sorry to hear that, nico. Too bad we aren’t allowed to properly safeguard ourselves from that sort of thing.
anyone remember the fried chicken shack that was on this stretch of clybourn? I think it had farmer in the name
It’s a south side Harold’s or nothing, in my book.
Since obviously no-one wants to discuss this downright depressing condo, let’s help these poor CC souls out with some suggestions for pizza.
I’ll start us off with a couple places:
North Side – Marie’s
West Side – Freddy’s
South Side – Old Chicago
Someday (5-10 years) this location may be coveted; but for now, it is Beirut circa 1985.
$100,000 haircut at asking; $200,000 haircut likely.
“It’s a south side Harold’s or nothing, in my book.”
cant do their chicken, but their fried liver was addictive!
G,
I THINK there used to be a Harold’s on Pulaski (or Kedzie maybe?) but it burned down (afaik the only west side one, the best westsiders got is Uncle Remus, who may have been behind the Harolds fire hehe)
There are now, however, Harolds in Uptown, Wicker Park, and Rogers Park, in addition to Atlanta, Minneapolis and who knows where else.
“I was jumped by 2 residents of the Marshall Field Apartments for no other reason than fun from what I could tell. Ya, lovely people in those CHA buildings. Jump people for fun – not to rob them, just for the fun of beating people.”
It’s called a hate crime, but it’s no surprise the dishonest local Chicago ADL office or $PLC chapter didn’t care one iota about it, they’re off searching for what Tom Wolfe called in Bonfire of the Vanities: “the great white defendant” that they can crucify and publicize.
I ate Pequod’s deep dish recently for the first time. Different, but yummy.
“Was that a Freudian typo?”
lol… man I should start taking Freud more seriously : )
roma, so many Harold’s stores have come and gone over the past 3 decades. In college, we had a bag nailed to the wall on which we crossed off the places as we visited. I remember only one on the WS back then, can’t even remember exactly where (on Madison?), but it was a crowning achievement when conquered. We thought it was the scariest of all back then, but that may have been due more to our familiarity with the SS. The idea of a NS Harold’s then was ludicrous.
“$PLC”
I dunno, SPLC has the JDL and the Nation on their list of hate groups.
“I THINK there used to be a Harold’s on Pulaski ”
i really think there was one on roosvelt? but that was mid 90’s could be gone now.
many southside ones are not in the spots that i remember too.
Best Pizza I’ve had in Chicago
LaMadia (Grand & Clark)
Coal Fire (Ashland & Chicago)
Santullo’s (North Ave in Bucktown)
All thin crust, new york style varieties. I can’t stand deep dish pizza.
there was one on harrison between canal and clinton. i think it is currently a sharks
“All thin crust, new york style varieties.”
I think there is a *huge* difference between “Neapolitan” pizza (which LaMadia and Coal Fire are) and “New York” pizza.
But maybe that’s just me.
Anon(tfo), yeah there is difference but they are close enough without trying to explain the nuances. Santullo’s is pretty authentic NY style though. Just spent last week in NY for vacation and enjoyed being able to get a cheap slice of good pizza. Fold and go…
“I think there is a *huge* difference between “Neapolitan” pizza (which LaMadia and Coal Fire are) and “New York” pizza.
But maybe that’s just me.”
Nah, you’re right. The only place I’ve been with truly “NY style” pizza is Cafe Luigi in Lincoln Park. They nail the style, IMO, and it is pretty decent pizza (though their veggie toppings are awful, canned things). Neapolitan pizza is all the rage in high-end pizza in Chicago right now. Damn delicious, IMO.
“close enough without trying to explain the nuances”
Your discretion is admirable.
“I dunno, SPLC has the JDL and the Nation on their list of hate groups.”
tokens, just so people like you will, or can, make that claim. The $PLC hates whites pure and simple, and they would be of no help to anyone in Chicago arbitrarily attacked by Cabrini or CHA residents. They wouldn’t lift a finger.
“Thank HUD and city connected contractors and developers who just cant refuse Federal housing money for holding back true price discovery and value in the near north side as the suckle off the Federal tit under the guise of “helping the needy”.”
The best, nico, was a teacher I read about who would purchase a property subsidized in price under the “community pillars” program or something like that. It was designed to help police/firefighters/teachers to be able to afford units in new condo buildings. Turns out one teacher would buy a property, wait the requisite two years, then sell it at a market price then buy another subsidized property. Dude made a quarter mill.
When the newspaper came snoopin’ he said he did nothing illegal at the time.
“they would be of no help to anyone in Chicago arbitrarily attacked”
Didn’t dispute that, but that’s a different issue.
btw, are you more of a Matt Hale guy or more of a KKK traditionalist?
“I think there is a *huge* difference between “Neapolitan” pizza (which LaMadia and Coal Fire are) and “New York” pizza.
But maybe that’s just me.”
I agree there’s a huge difference between ny and neapolitan, but, maybe just me, don’t think of coal fire as neapolitan (maybe it’s close enough without trying to explain the nuances).
“close enough without trying to explain the nuances”
I’m adopting that as a slogan.
From the Coal Fire 3w:
“At Coalfire we serve an American spin on the classic Neapolitan style pizza.”
that kind of cheap shot if below your standard modus operandi anon(tfo). I’m more like a Neil Armstrong, Thomas Edison, Thomas Jefferson, Shakespeare, Titian, Puccini type.
“Because if it doesnt, Chicago will reach it’s growth limit. ”
It’s already happened, quite awhile ago, actually–in 1950.
Curiously enough that was before many of the Great Society welfare programmes were enacted in the 1960s.
Once Sheeba princess knew she could crap out kids with no regard for her basic needs being met it all went to hell from there.
I also agree their is a big difference between Neopolitan and NY style. If you like Neopolitan, two decent places I’ve been to in the last six months or so are:
Sapore di Napoli
Pizzeria Serio
“that kind of cheap shot if below your standard modus operandi anon(tfo).”
Extra crabby about the BS today, I guess.
“I’m more like a Neil Armstrong, Thomas Edison, Thomas Jefferson, Shakespeare, Titian, Puccini type.”
gay, gay, fathered a black child, French Canadian, gay, transsexual.
“It’s already happened, quite awhile ago, actually–in 1950.”
Don’t forget that people were generally “stuck” from the period of 1929-1945 due to depression and WW2. Only after this did the suburbs start to sprawl and people chose to move out of multi-family dwellings in Chicago, like all the ones we rip on with no W/D, central hvac, etc. and people moved to newer construction in Chicago’s equivalents of levitttown to start families in more healthy environs with more space.
Somehow NYC’s population didn’t fall by the same % over the last 60 years, despite the same phenomenon.
For me it is the thin crust and being able to fold the slice.
Yeah, Neapolitan usually are oval or oddly shaped and they use the fresh ingredients and you don’t get it by the slice, but once you get past the trendy music, eye candy waitresses, and fancy decor, at the end of the day you still have a thin crust pizza.
The NY places are on par with the beef & fish places all over Chicago decor and quality wise. Just change out a Beef sandwich or Hot Dog for a slice of thin crust pizza that has been sitting out an hour or so and you have NY pizza place. They toss it back into the oven to heat it up and give it to you on a paper plate. Fold and go.
Russ I think you hit the nuance “Fold and go…” just need that light clear/orange oil to run down the crack and down to your wrist…
anon French Canadian can be abbreviated using one of the other things you mentioned.
Thanks for stepping on the joke, bob.
““I’m more like a Neil Armstrong, Thomas Edison, Thomas Jefferson, Shakespeare, Titian, Puccini type.”
gay, gay, fathered a black child, French Canadian, gay, transsexual.”
ROFLMAO!!!
anon(tfo): that’s defamation, but not the kind that will end you up in hot water.
“close enough without trying to explain the nuances”
“I’m adopting that as a slogan.”
Where have you gone, anon(tfo)…
“Yeah, Neapolitan usually are oval or oddly shaped and they use the fresh ingredients and you don’t get it by the slice, but once you get past the trendy music, eye candy waitresses, and fancy decor, at the end of the day you still have a thin crust pizza.”
I suppose neapolitan and ny are closer to each other than the various styles of chicago pizza, but that’s about it. They are very different.
“that’s defamation, but not the kind that will end you up in hot water.”
As you’ve already chided me for my incivility, I’ll refrain from the obvious follow-up question/conclusion.
That said, I think it’s been firmly established that Jefferson engaged in miscegenation. And can you *prove* that the author Shakespeare (rather than the actor Shakespeare) wasn’t French Canadian? The rest isn’t really defamatory.
“Where have you gone, anon(tfo)…”
If only a *nation* were turning it’s lonely eye to me. Hell, I’d settle for a double digit Q Score.
ROFLMAO!!!
LOL, I see the humor too, but shut up pothead!! anon: If the LGBT community could claim these people they would, and their little wiki mafia would already have plastered links and credible sources all over wikipedia but the credible sources don’t exist.
Actually I think calling someone French Canadian is about as defamatory as defamatory can get. Now, where finally talking about a bunch of welfare recipients.
for pan pizza, there is no better than a Pequods pepperoni pan pizza in westwest Lincoln Park
“now, where finally”… wow i wrote that.. Dan you win, i stop smoking for today.. Barca-Milan soon anyway.
“Somehow NYC’s population didn’t fall by the same % over the last 60 years, despite the same phenomenon.”
NYC actually did fall by quite a bit from 1950-1980, but it rebounded. Likely because every ethnic coming in from across the Atlantic goes through there, and many ethnics are lazy so they stay. Also many ethnics prefer ethnic enclaves and NYC has the most of them for basically all ethnic groups.
Yeah we have our ethnics and enclaves here in Chicago, too, but nowhere near the quantity/diversity of NYC. I actually think thats a good thing as it keeps our cost of living lower and I don’t think diversity is innately a good thing.
“Nonsense. What happens is when gays (or jews for that matter) move into a certain neighborhood (or field of business) it drives out/displaces the others who consciously (or subconsciously) are repulsed by the alien culture and want no part of it.’
Pure 24k internet gold! Like having Donald Trump, Al Sharpton, Sarah Palin, Christine O’Donnell, Jessie Jackson all rolled up into one irresistible bite sized nugget, played over and over and over and…
What neighborhood would this be Dan? I’m in need of a good investment.
“West Side – Freddy’s”
Roma,
Where is Freddy’s? Never heard of it.
http://www.freddyspizza.com/
Oh, that is the west, west side.
“Pure 24k internet gold! Like having Donald Trump, Al Sharpton, Sarah Palin, Christine O’Donnell, Jessie Jackson all rolled up into one irresistible bite sized nugget, played over and over and over and… ”
No jay Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson don’t belong in this because according to the media gods over at CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC & MSNC Jesse & Al are the Supreme Arbiters of All Things Racial(tm).
Didn’t you know ‘African Americans’ held a big secret election after MLK died and elected these two the Supreme Speakers for All Things Racial and made only them uniquely qualified to represent the concerns of and the sole speakers of all U.S. citizens who are ‘African American’.
Alan Keyes is therefore a fraud because he refuses to go along with the positions espoused by these Supreme Arbiters of All Things Racial(tm).
Proof the RE market has bottomed and is now sideways at worst:
1. Pizza discussion and right wing race jibberish dominates.
2. HD stopped fear mongering.
Keep looking at those top tier SA prices not moving anywhere folks.
David Rosenberg of GluskinSheff just threw in the towel, the last (stock market) bear standing, so in that market we’ve hit the top!
If the bull market will end when the last grizzled bear comes out of his den and comes to the table, then hold onto your portfolio, because it may well be dinnertime.
“HD stopped fear mongering.”
You didn’t read anything from yesterday, did you?
“Keep looking at those top tier SA prices not moving anywhere folks.”
We’re talking past each other because I was never gunning for the “top-tier”. If I can get 2nd-tier at a 40%+ discount, I’ll take it.
Which basically is what you’re inferring with your position: top tier stable and lower tiers get slaughtered. 😀
“What neighborhood would this be Dan? I’m in need of a good investment.”
Palm Beach, FL
Let’s keep this going!!!! What about the birth certificate??? Is it a fraud???
We are soOooooO off topic!!!!
“We’re talking past each other because I was never gunning for the “top-tier”. If I can get 2nd-tier at a 40%+ discount, I’ll take it.”
“top tier” includes a SFH that sold in Jan-11 for over $272k.
I think you *are* gunning for “top tier”.
Even more nonsense…..
What will be the next talking point from the birthers????
How high will gas prices go????
Anything else we can talk about instead of real estate???
Please……back to discussing housing!!!
“Please……back to discussing housing!!!”
Two posts from you on the thread, neither about housing. 0%.
The other 111 (now 112) posts on the thread, around 10 about housing. ~10%.
I think the rest of us are doing okay in comparison. If you have something to add, add it; beggers can’t be choosers.
“What about the birth certificate???”
who cares, we all already know that Obama’s liberal hippie mom was 17 years old when Barack Sr. went out looking for some easy white-poontang, he then knocked her up, she had the offspring at the ripe age of 18. Then Barack Sr. left America behind, and left the naive white liberal fool to raise the mulatto on her own with, of course, the financial help of her white middle-class morally-based parents, and then Barack Jr. decides to devote his life to his dad’s people/DNA instead! Great story! “Only in America” is right….
The real “Neapolitan” pizza (pizza napoletana) in Italy is a bit thicker in the crust and smaller than the most common very thin crust pizzas available more commonly there. Still in terms of US standards, it is definitely a thin crust. Deep dish is an abomination not a pizza IMHO.
I found a picture of real pizza here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/perniko/3745945876/in/set-72157621650868111
@ cominghome38, are you the moderator of the forum? I don’t think so. You can discuss housing if you want and people decide if they like to engage you or not.
“Keep looking at those top tier SA prices not moving anywhere folks.”
Why, when condos dominate the markets covered here? Could it have something to do with the data?
Home Price SA Index High Tier
2010 11 118.73
2010 12 118.60
2011 1 118.55
2011 2 118.43
Condo SA Index
2010 11 118.16
2010 12 116.74
2011 1 111.93
2011 2 110.25
“The real “Neapolitan” pizza (pizza napoletana) in Italy is a bit thicker in the crust”
The edge of the crust may be thicker but the main part of the pie is thin by most standards (doesn’t seem to me thicker than chicago thin or ny).
I think of Spacca Napoli (“Pizza Faithful to the Authentic Neapolitan Style” not “an American spin on the classic Neapolitan style pizza”) as having led the recent wave in Chicago.
http://www.spaccanapolipizzeria.com/
PS I think all this pizza talk is in part b/c no one has any serious interest in the subject property.
http://www.spaccanapolipizzeria.com/
At least the “liberal hippie mom” was not a mean spirited hater and managed to make her kid become president of the country so I say more power to her.
“I found a picture of real pizza here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/perniko/3745945876/in/set-72157621650868111”
Looks an awful lot like the pizzas dz, russ, I and others were discussing.
I didn’t mean to do it, but how did I get two links through w/o moderation?
“I didn’t mean to do it, but how did I get two links through w/o moderation?”
You overlooked the “(awaiting moderation)” in italics above your post?
“The real “Neapolitan” pizza (pizza napoletana) in Italy is a bit thicker in the crust”
The crust may be thicker but the main part of the pie (which i think is what most people have in mind when discussing thinness or not of pizza) is thin by most standards (don’t think it’s thicker than chicago thin or ny).
I think of Spacca Napoli (”Pizza Faithful to the Authentic Neapolitan Style” not “an American spin on the classic Neapolitan style pizza”) as having led the recent wave in Chicago.
http://www.spaccanapolipizzeria.com/
PS I think all this pizza talk is in part b/c no one has any serious
interest in the subject property.
@Anon, you are killing me. From wikipedia: NY Pizza
“…New York style is distinguished as Neapolitan pizza although the relationship is distant”
In my experience, NY style tends to have thinner crust edges while the Neopolitan tends to have thicker crust edges. Neo is a little more upscale vs the fast food kind of approach to NY style. However, at the end of the day, they are both thin crust pizzas relative to the thicker slices of regular American style or Chicago style deep dish pizzas.
“Why, when condos dominate the markets covered here? Could it have something to do with the data?”
The plummeting Chicago condo valuations are a looming trainwreck for the condo market here. A near 14% year over year decline is going to have to cause appraisers to nix a lot of deals and volume is going to plummet.
DZ, I don’t usually eat pizza in US and crust to me is the whole bread part sorry if I were misleading. In Italy, napoletana is a bit smaller and chubbier still very much a thin crust in this country. In fact the average pizza you get in Italy is very very thin and is not as soggy as the NY pizza.
@ anon, I have to try the places you guys recommend. I am sure there are good wood oven pizza’s in Chicago, I just have not succeeded in identifying one yet, but I have not looked hard for it either.
Pizza Serio is good but damn that place is overpriced. My friends always rave about Vito & Nick’s so it must be good.
What a crappy thread. And here I thought we’d be discussing that condo for sale on Clybourn. Please, change the name of this domaing to “Pizzachatter” or really “StupidChatter”.
DZ, thanks for the link. I am going to check out this place! Thanks a lot.
So Betty why don’t you add your 2 cents about the condo. Are you just ordering others to do that for you? At least I have learnt something from most of the regulars here, not sure I recall any contributions from you.
“In my experience, NY style tends to have thinner crust edges while the Neopolitan tends to have thicker crust edges. Neo is a little more upscale vs the fast food kind of approach to NY style. However, at the end of the day, they are both thin crust pizzas relative to the thicker slices of regular American style or Chicago style deep dish pizzas.”
Like I say, maybe it’s just me; well, and DZ.
Yes, certainly more similar than Uno/Due or [fill-in-the-blank square cut Chicago/StL thin] to either. But, as your cite sez, “the relationship is distant”
Betty,
One post from you on the thread, not about housing. 0%.
The other 129 (now 130) posts on the thread, around 12 about housing. ~10%.
I think the rest of us are doing okay in comparison. If you have something to add, add it; beggers can’t be choosers.
(Thanks, anon.)
“What a crappy thread. And here I thought we’d be discussing that condo for sale on Clybourn. Please, change the name of this domaing to “Pizzachatter” or really “StupidChatter”.”
Right after you change your name–not your CC screen name, but your legal name–to Betty Bossypants.
BettyPoop
If you’re ever in Michiana Shores, Stop 50 does Napoletana the fresh and simple way – one of my favorites.
hey piss off, the pizza place I mentioned is ON CLYBOURN
DZ, I think pizza doc on lawrence preceded spacanapoli. might be different, but I have kin who is a native dago and he sniffs these places out.
“think pizza doc on lawrence preceded spacanapoli. ”
Believe you are correct. Current owners are not the originals, so it’s changed a bit, I think for the better.
Dan: “who cares, we all already know that Obama’s liberal hippie mom was 17 years old when Barack Sr. went out looking for some easy white-poontang, he then knocked her up, she had the offspring at the ripe age of 18. Then Barack Sr. left America behind, and left the naive white liberal fool to raise the mulatto on her own with, of course, the financial help of her white middle-class morally-based parents, and then Barack Jr. decides to devote his life to his dad’s people/DNA instead! Great story! “Only in America” is right….”
If you believe any of that, you are a lowlife.
The funny thing about people that spew this type of s**t is that they rarely have the balls to do it in “real life.” Mostly because in real life there are consequences to such narrow minded stupidity. On the internet…not so much. Being anonymous has such a terrible effect on people.
“DZ, I think pizza doc on lawrence preceded spacanapoli.”
It did and I had them in mind. What I meant by “recent wave” was that I think that the success of spacca napoli had a big influence on the other entrants, including one with the pizzaiola from spacca napoli (since closed), in a way that DOC did not.
Second for Stop 50.
sonies, I didn’t earn your meatless pizza designation so I just figured a gratuitous beach mention would easily qualify as d-baggery.
no its their true selves; in real life look beyond the masks. they just feel free to spout their world view/order.
“use in real life there are consequences to such narrow minded stupidity. On the internet…not so much. Being anonymous has such a terrible effect on people.”
@ Dan
There are certainly more Jews in PB now than in it’s last past waspy glory days of the 50’s or 60’s… I forget when than ended, will have to call mother… when would that have been Dan? Remember when nobody in PB would sell to the Catholics (well maybe a Kennedy) just like here on the north shore? God, those were the days… when you were a SOAR, or not, and it mattered. Gays, not so sure about them; don’t they prefer South Beach? Does it matter, who would be a walker if not for them?
If gays and jews don’t seem to bother upstanding thrice divorced Rush nor his new younger wife, why should they bother me? Palm Beach… thanks Dan.
Why anyone would want to live on that crappy corner is beyond me. I don’t care how nice a place might be.
and jay… thanks.. your WASPiness definitely rubbed off. Even I admit we were way too nouveau riche 20 or so years ago.
I’m not one to use “lol,” but LOL at some peon trying to denigrate a family pedigree that produced (i) a President of Harvard Law Review (an elected position by which the members of the law review – entry to which is based on blind-scored first year exam grades – appoint the person who they think will best represent their class, both during their third year as well as throughout their careers), over whom the top Chicago firms were literally in a competition to offer a summer position (during his 1L summer no less); (ii) a U.S. Senator; (iii) a Nobel prize winner; and (iv) a likely two-term U.S. President.
well, the nobel prize was a bit of a head scratcher. but the rest is pretty valid.
DZ, it sounds like you have keener insight than I. what are the other good spacca napoli type spots? I will run them by my italian kin maybe give him a new place to try.
“the law review – entry to which is based on blind-scored first year exam grades”
I didn’t go there, knew people who were there around that time. I think there was a discretionary component. Also, don’t think the non-discretionary part was just grades, maybe a competition. I remember one place (yale i think, where the pizza is great btw) had a blue booking test that was a big part of it.
“well, the nobel prize was a bit of a head scratcher. but the rest is pretty valid.”
And easily dismissed since it’s those damn multi-culti luvin Scandies giving it out.
“it sounds like you have keener insight than I. what are the other good spacca napoli type spots?”
I just eat a lot. Nothing else I’d strongly recommend that hasn’t been mentioned here. Spacca is my favorite (liked stop 50 a lot but have only been to a couple times given its location). Ciao napoli in logan square is ok, we go there just because it’s walking distance from us, I wouldn’t drive to go there.
Great lake is very good, not neapolitan (unless you’re russ), very long waits (we have a friend who lives around the corner and get takeout), and “artisanal” with all the pros/cons that comes with.
“(i) a President of Harvard Law Review”
Not so sure it was entirely merit based. With programs like affirmative action his accomplishments may always have an asterisk next to them.
“(ii) a U.S. Senator”
Did you see after the 2004 elections on The Daily Show how they were calling him the great hope? Are you aware Henry Kissinger hand picked him for his first political job? Are you aware of how Harry Reid characterized him as an ideal candidate as he was “well spoken negro”?
“(iii) a Nobel prize winner”
Well you’re not the only one who considers him on par with Yasser Arafat.
“and (iv) a likely two-term U.S. President.”
Haha anonny put down the pipe. Maybe you don’t pass by too many gas stations on your el or bike ride, but gas is going to kill his chances.
The liberals will abandon him (Libya, Gitmo, Iraq, oil spill), the blue collar middle class will abandon him (gas prices), and generally most Americans will abandon him (economy). The blacks & jews won’t abandon him: they vote as a bloc based on demographic status solely irrespective of any political positions a candidate may have (ie: Robert Mugabe, Marion Barry).
Barring a really bad candidate from the Republican party (a possibility) Barry will be back in Kenwood shortly after the end of the Mayan calendar.
It was interesting to me that Serio went in on the same street and very close to Spacca Napoli. At Serio you get a bigger pizza. At Spacca, they are more individually sized for a big eater or sharable for a smaller eater or for a couple who also orders appetizers.
Punch Pizza in the Twin Cities was awesome. They’ve extended themselves a bit much in the last few years, which has made the quality go down a bit. But, they are also an example of good Neapolitan-style pizza.
Thing about pizza serio is their menu is a bit limited, IMO. I think they’re more of a gastropub with pizza on the side. A family friendly bar for rich papa to drink some imports and ma to drink wine with the neighbors while junior celebrates his birthday party. Very limited menu.
“I didn’t go there, knew people who were there around that time. I think there was a discretionary component. Also, don’t think the non-discretionary part was just grades, maybe a competition.”
Sure, there are a few credits in the typical first year that allow for some discretion (e.g., where a paper/memo/brief is written), and professors can of course bump a student’s grade up or down, but for the most part, a law student’s first year grades are determined almost entirely by final exams, which are blindly graded. This is an important fact of which to remind the anti-affirmative action folks.
Entry onto most law reviews is based on those grades, and a certain number of spots are also reserved for people to “write-on” (i.e., whose grades were good but not good enough, but who demonstrate strong ability during the write-on competition). It is my understanding that Obama “graded-on.” (And yes, New Haven pizza is quite good, see, e.g., Piece, but Yale Law doesn’t even give “grades.”)
Great Lake is “Bianchian” which justly deserves its own moniker. And excellent. Expensive, and precious, but worth it to me. But then, I save lots of money by not buying overpriced real estate! 😉 😉
Spacca was great, then Nella left, I thot it suffered. Then she left Nella, and it definitely suffered (is it even still open)?
Am not a fan of DOC.
Third (or fourth) Stop 50 and Coalfire.
For NY-style, definitely do not recommend Santullo’s (except to Bob, who would appreciate the happy hour slice special) or Luigi’s. Have not been to Serio, but am now going to check it out–thanks off-topic CC’ers!
And btw, when I suggested the topic, I was quite explicit in noting that nothing more about this dull condo with a truly soul-crushing view (ups to the listing for at least not hiding it!) probably need be said.
I was half- (or 1/4-) joking, of course. To be fair, Sabrina posted it due to the LEED certification, which didn’t get much substantive commentary once the vegetarian pizza analogy kicked things off…
“Thing about pizza serio is their menu is a bit limited, IMO.”
I agree with this. I also prefer the smaller pizzas because the SO and I can never agree on toppings.
“Sure, there are a few credits in the typical first year that allow for some discretion (e.g., where a paper/memo/brief is written), and professors can of course bump a student’s grade up or down, but for the most part, a law student’s first year grades are determined almost entirely by final exams, which are blindly graded. This is an important fact of which to remind the anti-affirmative action folks.”
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/6/5/law-review-debates-affirmative-action-policy/
“New Haven pizza is quite good, see, e.g., Piece”
No, Piece does not equal new haven pizza, not even close.
Bob, see my above post re: demonstrating that no well-informed person would view AA as playing any role in Obama’s success at Harvard.
As for the election, just who do you see winning?
p.s. Your comment about Blacks and Jews voting as a block and thus sticking with Obama shows that you obviously don’t hang around with many members of either or both of those groups. Hanging around with many members of the latter group myself, I can assure you that Obama was far from the favored choice (during the primaries, I had many conversations re: Obama vs. Clinton that were just as heated, at times with racist overtones, as one would expect to have with die-hard socially conservative Republicans).
Here is my two cents: The condo on clybourn is ok but with the towers coming down, and Target going up and all the other stores that are going to go up–living over there is going to be a giant dustbowl for several years. Regarding pizza: get a life. Regarding Obama and Harvard Law: yes he’s a talented guy but let’s acknowledge that having a black guy as president of law review is a major coup for Harvard the lilly white protestant school. Obama was a perfect storm. There are a million smart, white, probably jewish lawyers at Harvard who are probably smarter than Obama but he got the nod. But good for Obama. Part of being smart is advancing yourself with the gifts you have been given.
“New Haven pizza is quite good, see, e.g., Sally’s”
Fixed!
“demonstrating that no well-informed person would view AA as playing any role in Obama’s success at Harvard.”
I’m always a little concerned when I find myself on the same side of a discussion as bob (no offense, bob), but did you read my link? Clearly there was AA in selecting law review. I don’t know for certain that Obama benefited from it. I don’t know if that is known whether he did or not, but you haven’t provided any evidence he didn’t, in the absence of which it’s hard to conclude it didn’t play a role.
“New Haven pizza is quite good, see, e.g., Sally’s”
“Fixed!”
Now, whatever is for dinner is going to be grossly inadequate. Especially when I add: Pepe’s white clam!
“not likely anyone the news is talking about now.”
Define “the news”. I’ve seen/heard about 2 dozen names floated, and doubt that it will be someone outside of that group.
Unless you’re expecting another drop out and desperate turn to Alan Keyes.
And even if Obama’s accomplishments in school cannot be diminished by AA, Henry Kissinger giving him his first political and Harry Reid’s recorded comments prove to me there is a large group of powerful people out there who feel they need to atone for perceived injustices of the past via elevating people who fit a certain demographic criterion over merit alone.
I’m with DZ on the aa thing. And will go one more by saying “not at all” is *not*helpful* to the prObama argument, as it’s *absolutely* unprovable.
“there is going to be a giant dustbowl for several years.”
What’s the plan for the directly-across-Larrabee lots? Any idea?
Reid is an idiot and if you believe that Kissinger feels any need to atone for anything–much less societal stuff–you have a skewed view of Hank K.
“Define “the news”.”
Sensationalistic TeeVee. It ain’t gonna be Trump, probably not the Huckster, probably not Ron Paul (my fave but I’ve seen how cooly he is received as his policies are considered radical). Maybe someone like Bobby Jindal?
It is funny though the left is appealing to people to vote for their “diverse” candidate as it shows a post-racial society but in reality they only want a “diverse” candidate that will continue to support their policies of discrimination against certain people under the eyes of the law.
Republicans could easily play that game with a Bobby Jindal. Get a lot of the whities who have been programmed to feeling guilty for being white off the fence via offering a diverse candidate who doesn’t support institutional discrimination like Barry does.
“Then the original attraction of the place diminishes. This is what has happened to large part of South Florida, which are now completely crass or ruined. ”
I’ve always made the assumption that it was the obnoxious BoWash corridor east coasters moving down to Florida which effectively ruined it. The BoWash corridor is a cesspool of the worst of humanity the US has to offer/show.
“Reid is an idiot”
He is the majority leader for the Democrats in the upper house of congress. Despite being an idiot he is in ideological lockstep with the President.
“I’m with DZ on the aa thing.”
Well, no one else is, b/c apparently Bob and anonny are too good to read a link to a harvard crimson article on the topic they are discussing. I should have done an old HD style cut and paste the entire article.
“I’m always a little concerned when I find myself on the same side of a discussion as bob (no offense, bob), but did you read my link? Clearly there was AA in selecting law review. I don’t know for certain that Obama benefited from it.”
Yes, we don’t know for certain, but my sense is that the reivew’s so-called AA policy was and is more focused on gender.
In any event, that’s just the process to get onto the review. The process by which review members are then appointed to the leadership roles in another story. I don’t think the Harvard Law Review is so dominated by AA-loving liberals that they would elect someone president just to advance their radical agenda. Not today, and certainly not in the late 80’s.
“too good to read a link to a harvard crimson article”
I admit to only getting close enough to miss most of the nuance. But both ends of that argument are too absurd to give credence anyway.
Anon, there is a Target shopping area going up at Division/Halsted back to Larabee and then there is that whole New City shopping at North/Clybourn. It is going to be a dustbowl with all the construction that will happen at some point. Target is a sure thing and New City construction is in permit phase. And then once all that goes up, there is a plan to do some other things there too like make Kingsbury a real alternative to Halsted instead of a pothole mania and some other plans too. All good, everything is just great but living in that area–you are changing out the CHA for construction, traffic, etc. Pick your poison!
Thank you DZ, it looks like Barry might’ve been an Affirmative Action quota fill on the Harvard Law Review afterall (not saying he was but might’ve is a perfectly acceptable statement given that article). That article clearly sheds light that there IS an affirmative action component that remains to this day on the Harvard Law Review.
“The remaining seven to nine spots are filled on a discretionary basis, which McGrath wrote “can be used for [the] affirmative action program.”
“Yes, we don’t know for certain, but my sense is that the reivew’s so-called AA policy was and is more focused on gender.”
Not correct.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/6/5/law-review-debates-affirmative-action-policy/
In the ensuing years, the Review has also been criticized for the dearth of women on its staff, a matter left unaddressed by the 1982 policy.
“The law review’s current affirmative action policy is directed towards members of traditionally underrepresented and disadvantaged minorities, and individuals with disabilities,” the current Review’s President Aileen M. McGrath wrote in an e-mail. “There is not an affirmative action policy for gender.”
The call for extending affirmative action to women was most recently renewed in 2003. That year, the portion of women editors fell to 25 percent—the lowest level in a decade.
“I don’t think the Harvard Law Review is so dominated by AA-loving liberals that they would elect someone president just to advance their radical agenda. Not today, and certainly not in the late 80’s.”
This is indeed a foolish debate on both sides, but I think it’s fair to say the HLS student body leaned liberal at the time. I can’t rule out AA being a factor (which isn’t a bad thing if you believe in AA).
PS, the last part is my own response to annony, not part of the article.
“I don’t think the Harvard Law Review is so dominated by AA-loving liberals that they would elect someone president just to advance their radical agenda. Not today, and certainly not in the late 80’s.”
This is indeed a foolish debate on both sides, but I think it’s fair to say the HLS student body leaned liberal at the time. I can’t rule out AA being a factor (which isn’t a bad thing if you actually believe in AA).
The Ivy League overall, is definitely liberal. The sole exception being maybe UPenn (they have to live in/near the ghetto and it’s too eye opening of an experience to be liberal–the PC blinders can’t be put on like they can in leafy college campuses far from rotting urban cores like Princeton). Similar thing at UC–liberalism can’t take root with it’s false ideology when the students boost on the ground experience is starkly different than what liberalism claims is reality.
Liberalism has a much easier time taking root when the students aren’t at risk of suffering at the societal outcomes of liberalism (ie: attacked/robbed by public housing resident).
Well, you know what they say, Bob? A conservative is a liberal who just got robbed…
“Anon, there is a Target shopping area going up at Division/Halsted back to Larabee and then there is that whole New City shopping at North/Clybourn.”
Yeah, I know. I mentioned the Target when we were still mostly talking about the property. I was asking about directly across the street, next to the church, in the goosefield.
btw, pretty sure the Target is going at the corner of Larrabee/Division and running about 500 feet west–a rough square from Div-Scott; Larrabee to that sidewalk across from the bodega.
“The Ivy League overall, is definitely liberal. The sole exception being maybe UPenn ”
bzzzzt. You did not correctly identify the most “conservative” Ivy. 7 more guesses.
Cornell or Dartmouth?? There are those who debate whether Cornell is truly Ivy.
“Cornell or Dartmouth?? There are those who debate whether Cornell is truly Ivy.”
Well, A&S is, ILR isn’t and the rest is a maybe.
But I’d say the answer is *clearly* The Big Green.
there’s a liberal element to a&s @ cornell though the loud and proud conservative profs and groups tend to shine through.
“bzzzzt. You did not correctly identify the most “conservative” Ivy. 7 more guesses.”
I doubt any of them are more conservative than UPenn in terms of entire student body. Just because another may have a very vocal conservative minority, that school is still in a nice leafy suburb and it’s students, overall, likely far more liberal than UPenn.
I had a funny experience in undergrad with a professor regarding that one anyhow. It was a great clue in that professors can be totally out of touch with reality. He was a business strategy prof and we were in a class at a big state school. He was talking to us (our supposed senior “capstone” course) about going out and conquering the world and not being afraid of traveling or moving away for opportunities. Then he mentioned starting salaries for business admin grads from Dartmouth and tried to equate it with them being mobile and able to travel.
I had to go talk to him to clue him in that Dartmouth was an Ivy League school. The likes of the McK’s, BCGs and Goldmans weren’t exactly coming to recruit on our campus. Enterprise Rent-A-Car, sure. I guess you could do a lot of traveling with enterprise rent a car. It was funny hearing him throw out that comp figure though. Definitely set a lot of false expectations among eager, greedy seniors in attendance–maybe that was his cruel plan. 😀
“that school is still in a nice leafy suburb”
Do you have any idea where Dartmouth is located? A suburb of what? Vermont?
It is leafy, tho.
“1) the dispossession of whites in America and Europe”
Is it any surprise who was the architect of Chicago’s schooling tier system to circumvent the Supreme Court’s ruling that school admissions cannot and should not be made on the basis of race?
Basically he says let’s use census tracts. And given they are so specific, they will be segregated enough to re-introduce race, via proxy into Chicago Public Schools admissions. That architect had a name that betrayed his demographic.
“bzzzzt. You did not correctly identify the most “conservative” Ivy. 7 more guesses.”
Well we can rule out Columbia..
Dan: “All of it’s true, and you have to resort to names and slurs in response. You’re the LOWLIFE. Obama’s mom was 18 yrs. old when she gave birth, it’s on the damn birth certificate released today! I guess lowlifes can’t read well.”
Yes, the age of his mother *was* my issue with what you wrote. You nailed it! I mean there was nothing else there that a person could possibly take offense to.
I can’t decide whats more disturbing: your obtuseness, your beliefs or your rhetoric. Funny how those so often go together at the extremes of the political spectrum…
Trump 2012!!
“obtuseness, ”
Is this the new AP English cribchatter vocabulary word? Aren’t you a good little vocab fido. I still don’t see how exceeding 90 degrees but not 180 has anything to do with it.
“the dispossession of whites in America ”
Nah, not our doing.
Take out the top 10-20% and your left with a rather dumb group. I mean you guys are still half of America. 1/3rd of America thinks Jesus is coming each and every year. So 66% of you right there I don’t know how you tie your shoes in the freakin morning.
“Nah, not our doing.
Take out the top 10-20% and your left with a rather dumb group. I mean you guys are still half of America. 1/3rd of America thinks Jesus is coming each and every year. So 66% of you right there I don’t know how you tie your shoes in the freakin morning.”
Jews aren’t much smarter than other people of European descent. If you want to look to religious fanatacism look at how Jews ran to Israel after WW2 and look at how they set up settlements in the West Bank. They’re willing to live in very harsh conditions for quite awhile out there until the infrastructure catches up. (Read a wiki on Ariel, West Bank today). You don’t see that sort of religious fanaticism among US Christians, yeah some juggle snakes or follow David Koresh but they tend to be isolated incidents.
What Jews do do is go to bat for one another and have dodged through the cracks in the government in such a way that they are considered “white” for various government programs, but they go to bat for themselves above all others first and the voting patterns reflect that.
This is _never_ talked about and to attempt to shed light on it brings swift retaliation. I recall some movie producer who went on a drunken rant in a Paris bar and Natalie Portman and the rest of the Ashkenazi crew immediately blacklisted him from Hollywood. Poof! East as that! Same thing with Mel Gibson. Zack Galafinakis and the crew of Hangover 2 basically booted him off.
People need to wake up that US Jews aren’t some persecuted minority here and actually have quite a strong cohesion with a very strong retaliatory response. And if we’re going to have affirmative action and demographic/race-based quotas in the workplace, there needs to be differentiation.
Dan, it is your rhetoric. As in: the words you choose to use in making your points. They are offensive. Couldn’t care less if you agree and simply pointing that out isn’t a personal attack. Though I will freely admit I attacked you. I have very little patience for the “mannerisms” you use to make your points. They are the worst kind of stereotyping, divisive garbage and have no place in reasonable discourse. Not that I should expect reasonable discourse here.
Bob: I don’t need to try to make the likes of dan look crazy. The manner in which he conducts himself speaks volumes about his character, his outlook and his beliefs. Decide for yourself…I’m sure CC regulars will be *shocked* at which side you come down on.
Seriously, go read the post that kicked this off. Classy *and* reasonable!
And btw, the “I don’t know the usage of obtuse” schtick is pretty funny…
BROWN.
You can rape someone and still work with Galifinakis, that’s totally forgivable.
But God forbid you went on a drunken rant during a DUI stop and tried to insult/offend the arresting officer based on his faith. Zack Galafinakis and Hollywood ain’t down with that!
Anyone in any prominent position: say anything about the jews and their cohesion or anything even remotely negative about them and they will do their best to make your life a living hell and derail your career.
Yep, those West Bank ones are some nutty dudes, they don’t think much of me either.
I don’t think it’s a smart thing either, I think it maybe what you define as “the white mans golden retriever gene” It’s like you talk and know they understand but at some point you lose them and they just give you that head cocked to the side look. But that same 66%, look something like this…
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/834847/are_americans_really_that_stupid/
“People need to wake up that US Jews aren’t some persecuted minority here and actually have quite a strong cohesion with a very strong retaliatory response. And if we’re going to have affirmative action and demographic/race-based quotas in the workplace, there needs to be differentiation.”
What the HELL are you talking about? Jews, unlike any other group in the history of the U.S., were actually singled out and were faced with REVERSE affirmative action at the Ivies, i.e., quotas were set, above which no more Jews were admitted (some might say it now happens to Asian-Americans, but it’s certainly not an accepted, open practice these days).
Here’s one working-class raised, straight, white, gentile guy’s view: if you are a non-disabled, straight, white, gentile male U.S. citizen living in this country, and you express even mildly homophobic, racist or anti-Semitic views (see generally Bob and Dan’s comments), my first thought is to feel sorry for you. You came into this world as a member of the safest, most favored, fortunate lot ever to exist for any sustained period on this planet, yet you’re nonetheless obsessed with other groups in a desperate attempt to explain away your financially and socially (and thus sexual) disappointing lives.
But the “feeling sorry for you” thought quickly passes. The only thought I’m left with, as a decent human being and the father of a Jewish person, is to wish that either (i) you change your ways, before your diseased views hurt someone, or (ii) you make your identity known, so that I can know who you are, just as I’d want to know the identity of any common thug who drags his or her knuckles into my community.
dream sequence-
Hoover: And the lowest grade in the class …
Ralph: She’s going to say my name!
Hover: Lisa Simpson, zero!
Skinner: Lisa, the president of Harvard would like to see you.
Pres.: Nasty business, that zero. Naturally, Harvard’s doors are now closed to you, but I’ll pass your file along to … Brown.
Skinner: Mmmm, Brown. Heckuva school. Weren’t you at Brown, Otto?
Otto: Yup. Almost got tenure, too.
Lisa: [gasps in horror] No, not Brown, Brown..
-end dream-
Lisa: …Brown, Brown..
Miss Hoover: Lisa, you’re saying Brown an awful lot, are you okay?
“Thank you DZ, it looks like Barry might’ve been an Affirmative Action quota fill on the Harvard Law Review afterall (not saying he was but might’ve is a perfectly acceptable statement given that article). That article clearly sheds light that there IS an affirmative action component that remains to this day on the Harvard Law Review.”
Bob- do you know what it takes to get into Harvard Law School? I don’t think you do. It’s among the most competitive in the world. For anyone- no matter what race or sex you are. Only the cream of the crop get in (although some do choose to go to Stanford or Yale instead.) It used to be called “the golden ticket” (although that has changed since the recession where even Harvard grads are no longer getting jobs.)
People who go there have ambition. And they are smart. Make no mistake. John F. Kennedy Jr. didn’t go to law school there, after all.
If you get into one of the top 10 law schools- you are competing against some of the brightest minds in the country.
Barack (and his wife) had ambition and smarts. It takes you far in this country. And they used whatever advantages they had. Same as JFK Jr. Same as the woman who grew up on the farm in North Dakota (which elite schools love). Same as the star football player who goes to Michigan. Same as Emma Watson, the Harry Potter actress who went to Brown. They are all admitted for various reasons.
Do you know what it takes to get on the Law Review at those schools? Take these incredibly smart people and make it even more competitive. Tell them “if you don’t get on this- you’re not the best.”
One of my friends who went to Penn Law around the time Barack was at Harvard said there were people who threw up right before the exams in their first year because it was so competitive and stressful.
Haven’t you ever seen the Paper Chase?
I’m so sick of people saying the Obamas achieved everything they have because of affirmative action. Affirmative action didn’t get him onto Harvard Law Review! You have to do the work. And they both clearly excelled. All the exams are graded blindly. Your grades are blind, Bob. Do you get it???
By the way- women are a much more difficult problem on law reviews nationwide because women have lower grades in their first year of law school. They’re not sure why. (And one of the largest components of making it on law review- are your first year grades.)
By the third year of law school- women are usually outperforming the men- but by then it is too late (as it is first year grades/law review honors that determine which firms will be interested in you.)
“Bob- do you know what it takes to get into Harvard Law School? I don’t think you do. It’s among the most competitive in the world. For anyone- no matter what race or sex you are. Only the cream of the crop get in (although some do choose to go to Stanford or Yale instead.)”
WAIT A MINUTE HERE – I went to Harvard and Stanford yet everyone here claims that I am an idiot, moron, and don’t know what I am talking about. So now, you are admitting that it takes someone extremely intelligent/smart to get in? Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
I remember a girl in my High School breaking down and crying for getting a 95 on a history exam. Think she graduated 3rd in my class. Yep, you have some stiff competition for those titles.
clio – nobody believes you or respects your opinions because you’re just an internet troll
“(ii) you make your identity known, so that I can know who you are, just as I’d want to know the identity of any common thug who drags his or her knuckles into my community.”
You are truly scum and that is why you want identities. So you can retaliate in the same tribal mentality that the culture you married into possesses. You think my and Dan’s views are “diseased” likely because our acute self-awareness and perceptive abilities are keen on exactly what one particular group is doing these days (very subversively I might add).
“You came into this world as a member of the safest, most favored, fortunate lot ever to exist for any sustained period on this planet, yet you’re nonetheless obsessed with other groups”
Anonny I don’t care about the history of the world over any “sustained period”. I wasn’t around flying kites with Ben Franklin, genius. What my qualms are are institutional and government condoned discrimination against my cohort in a variety of areas.
Progressives like you were never about equality–that might have appealed to emotions and won votes you were really about a transference of power and, as Dan put it: dis-empowering traditional whites. If the progressives were truly about equality under the eyes of the law we wouldn’t have hate crime penalty enhancements codified into law nor affirmative action, nor considering race as a factor in admissions. Much like that McDonald’s attack once it was learned the victim was transgendered they are considering pursuing hate crime charges now. Nor that attack near Marshall Fields gardens mentioned above, which was a hate crime but will never be prosecuted as such.
“What the HELL are you talking about? Jews, unlike any other group in the history of the U.S., were actually singled out and were faced with REVERSE affirmative action at the Ivies, i.e., quotas were set, above which no more Jews were admitted (some might say it now happens to Asian-Americans, but it’s certainly not an accepted, open practice these days). ”
This, if true, was a disgusting practice and should be outlawed. But does someone have to identify with being jewish? It seems a group that one could easily disassociate from for paperwork purposes (not that that’s fair, but still). The discrimination that Jews suffered in the Ivy League in the 1920s has been ended, for quite some time. But discrimination persists against other, non-protected, demographics, to this day.
“Bob- do you know what it takes to get into Harvard Law School?”
No I never meant to make a comparison between myself and the President. Nor do I think I am presidential caliber material, even if many CCers consider me a shoe-in for the Iowa caucus. What I said, and given the link DZ posted, was true: we’ll never know about BHO truly on his merits due to the Harvard Law Review’s stance on affirmative action.
I think Betty Boop said it best: “There are a million smart, white, probably jewish lawyers at Harvard who are probably smarter than Obama but he got the nod.” But then she went on to congratulate him for taking advantage of his non-merit based attribute which likely put him ahead of what she mentioned. If you go back and watch the Dailey Show coverage from the 2004 elections they were calling him the great hope–a plan was already in motion for BHO.
“Your grades are blind, Bob. Do you get it???”
I get the link DZ posted. Which stated that there is an unexplained, “discretion” quota available for spots on the Harvard Law Review.
“clio – nobody believes you or respects your opinions because you’re just an internet troll”
Huh? You know better than anyone that I have already been outed and everything I have said has been confirmed as true. Is this your cheap shot because of jealousy?
You know, this Ivy talk makes me wonder what the odds are of coming out of the experience without major psychological damage. I mean, I know I’m not that smart, but if I had a kid who had that potential, I don’t know if I would encourage it. That much pressure to get a job as an employee for some law firm or be a bureaucrat seems a bit silly.
I do like the comments Larry Summers made during the Tiger Mother debate – something about A students becoming bankers/lawyers and C students ending up with buildings named after them.
Joe I – it isn’t all about the money or prestige – it is about realizing your potential. The people I studies with at Harvard and Stanford never studied in order to GET INTO these places – they were naturally curious, gifted and were encouraged to pursue their interests. Therefore, going to Harvard and Stanford wasn’t that big a deal to any of them. The people at U. of C. who studied to get into those graduated schools never made it into any of them. Most were quite shocked when I got in……..
I was in a pre-trial conference in a federal judge’s chambers a few year ago. It was almost 9 pm at night on a wednesday. Everyone had left to talk to their clients in the hall, but I decided to remain in chambers with the judge and shortly thereafter the judge’s phone rang. The judge answered the phone and was having a conversation with the spouse. As the judge was speaking on the phone, I was looking at the pictures on the wall behind me: judge with two presidents, judge with other famous politicians, two degrees from various ivies, a certificate showing clerkship for a supreme court judge. I was listening to the judge’s conversation (the judge was just a few feet from me) and the judge was all like “Yeah, I’m going to be home late tonight. I need to prepare for court tomorrow…..no, i’m parked in the garage today, there is security there, I’ll be OK….I had dinner here already….what time will I be home? Oh, probably not until 2 or 3. I’ve got my call at 9:00 am tomorrow and a hearing at 11:00 ….”
And for a second, I thought, wow, it’s a Wednesday and this judge will work until 2 or 3 in the morning. Just like when this judge was in law school, he or she probably pulled all nighters and briefed cases at least once a week, just because. And this judge probably turned down a million opportunities to go out drinking with friends in college or even high school, to study and prepare for the next day.
The point of this all is that these types of people are driven, very driven, and they have a strong constitution and boundless energy and laser like focus. I don’t have it in me to work like that or live like that. I enjoy my time away from work. You have to pull all nighters not just when it’s finals time, but just because. A random wednesday is just as good as any day to pull an all nighter.
“#gringozecarioca on April 27th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
I remember a girl in my High School breaking down and crying for getting a 95 on a history exam. Think she graduated 3rd in my class. Yep, you have some stiff competition for those titles.”
Bob, you talk about evidence, so which part of this list (with photos) suggests being a white male is a disadvantage?
http://www.forbes.com/wealth/forbes-400#p_1_s_arank_-1_
Very well said HD.
“Bob, you talk about evidence, so which part of this list (with photos) suggests being a white male is a disadvantage? ”
Are you taking a very simian view of equity and conjecturing: “he looks this way, he has X amount of money, all people that look that way should be treated as second class citizens because of that”? Do you think any of these people in that list are disenfranchised via hate crimes legislation or affirmative action quotas?
I’ve actually never met any of those people, and it might come as a surprise to you but I don’t get Christmas cards from them either. These days the only “benefits” from the “white, straight non-jewish boys club” are: second-class status when it comes to being a victim of a violent crime and a much easier time of getting canned by HR. (I know a few people fired from F500 companies (I’m not one of them): let me just say the bar to fire a woman or protected minority (protected minority=(latino OR black), OR gay of any race) is far, far, higher than a white/asian/indian straight male).
You’re loosely hinting at the contrived sociological concept of “white privilege” but not being explicit enough to call you out on it. So I’ve responded in kind.
Although I will say I had a friend who used to keep his Christmas cards from Charles Koch up on his fridge. He sends them out to all employees!
It’s hilarious a family of some guy he doesn’t even know hung up on his fridge from various years.
Bob, do you think if I open my mouth up, wrong way, wrong place, wrong subject, I’m not gone just as fast. I assure you I would be.
No you misinterpret what I am saying. I am saying white people ARE the privileged class. Any obstacles you incur are a fraction of most others.
I have a really good Chinese friend. I would joke with him about Asian quotas at schools and he would just say “so what, make me work harder, and you white people stupid anyway”
But seriously, like HD’s story, how many 90-100hr work weeks have you pulled?
Koch guys are like a cult.
“That much pressure to get a job as an employee for some law firm or be a bureaucrat seems a bit silly.”
Joe I: Is it any different than training for the Olympic Games, or trying to make it on American Idol, or trying to be a movie star, or wanting a #1 record?
The competition is all the same at the very top level. The stress level and dedication are the same. But I do agree with Clio that those that make it are self-driven. You can’t create the desire and ambition. It has to be there.
“This, if true, was a disgusting practice and should be outlawed. But does someone have to identify with being jewish? It seems a group that one could easily disassociate from for paperwork purposes (not that that’s fair, but still). The discrimination that Jews suffered in the Ivy League in the 1920s has been ended, for quite some time. But discrimination persists against other, non-protected, demographics, to this day.”
Bob, Harvard had a 15% jewish quota. And it didn’t “end” in the 1920s. It went past WWII and, at some of the Ivies, into the 1950s. And no, you couldn’t “disassociate” from it- as the admissions committees apparently ranked you on your jewishness based on your town, your parents occupation and a bunch of other criteria.
It was even worse with women at those schools- obviously. At Princeton, women weren’t admitted until the 1970s.
“I get the link DZ posted. Which stated that there is an unexplained, “discretion” quota available for spots on the Harvard Law Review.”
It’s pretty clearly explained.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/6/5/law-review-debates-affirmative-action-policy/
“The following year [1982], the Review adopted an affirmative action policy that allowed the editors to consider race in selecting its new members.”
Which doesn’t Obama got on law review b/c of AA, doesn’t mean he didn’t benefit either. I suppose the people who made the selections know. This is all kind of a pointless debate though.
“Koch guys are like a cult.”
The running joke was we thought he was keeping it up on his fridge as a running joke for poker nights and there were no other Christmas cards hung up there. Thing was he was totally serious about it!
“It was even worse with women at those schools- obviously. At Princeton, women weren’t admitted until the 1970s.”
Another practice whose end came far too late. However these days it’s the men outnumbered on college campuses and at graduation.
All you people who complain about affirmative action seem to have no problem with kids getting to schools just cause daddy or mummy were alumni. Bob I don’t hear you complaining about W going to Yale.
“But seriously, like HD’s story, how many 90-100hr work weeks have you pulled?”
I rarely have the option to pick my hours. I did to a very limited degree a few years ago. Everyone started out on 90-hr workweek shifts for the first three weeks then there was a lottery for who got a day off (~30% would) per week. I never put it for it.
I worked as much as I possibly could putting in eight 85-89hr workweeks (it’s really not possible to do any more with a 35mile commute and no maid to do laundry/dry cleaning). It was a money fire hydrant and while I couldn’t do it 52 weeks a year it wasn’t _too difficult_ for eight for a single guy, even the marrieds without kids managed okay. As alluded to on another thread one of the key risk factors was HR problems: niceness goes away for a lot of people much beyond 70 hours (not me because I am neither nice nor mean I keep an even keel).
Those were better times. These days paid overtime is non-existent, cept if your a loan mod/foreclosure consultant at some bank I suppose.
“All you people who complain about affirmative action seem to have no problem with kids getting to schools just cause daddy or mummy were alumni. Bob I don’t hear you complaining about W going to Yale.”
It’s institutionalized nepotism. While not a merit criteria either I consider it less of an affront as discrimination. I’d be all for ending it not only because it’s not merit but it would do wonders to stunt their fundraising efforts. The Harvard endowment is larger than most sovereign wealth funds.
You’re right, though, miumiu: you can’t really be assured of someone’s intellectual capability or their work capacity/personality at universities where legacy admits play a big role. Which includes the Ivys.
Also of note miumiu: I _think_ W got into HBS in an era where they dropped the GMAT and any sort of standardized admissions test. I think they dropped the test as some sort of political statement but boy did that backfire on them.
“you can’t really be assured of someone’s intellectual capability or their work capacity/personality at universities where legacy admits play a big role. Which includes the Ivys.”
I don’t think it’s a big factor for most legacy applicants any longer. Not that it doesn’t matter for an individual student given how tough the competition is (and maybe that unfair), and not that it doesn’t matter cumulatively in overall number of legacy admits, but it’s not like a boost a regular legacy gets is huge. Not like a C or B student gets admitted b/c of legacy, unless parent is a seriously major donor (in which case I think the parents don’t need to be alums, so it’s not really legacy admits, more like major donor admits) or really big connection to school beyond just being an alum.
Keep telling yourself DZ. You’d be surprised if you had the inside scoop. It happens all through the system: college, residency, etc…
I would have loved to see the grades of kids of average politicians who get to good schools. It is not the kids of top dogs in Ivys only. It is all over the place. You might have heard of I-list scandal at U of I.
“I don’t think it’s a big factor for most legacy applicants any longer.”
It’s worse than EVER. It’s a combination of legacy AND now the donors. Some of the more elite schools (Duke and others) actually keep a list of a certain number of students they let in simply because the parents are loaded. They don’t deny this.
Legacies of a certain name still get a boost- it all depends on your family.
What you guys fail to understand is that just because you get into a school doesn’t mean you are going to be successful while you are there and even afterward. In the “real world”, talent and hard work is rewarded – sure, the right schools will get you in the door, but it’s up to you after that!!! I learned that the hard way!!
Why does this blog often turn into “American History X Part II: The Real Estate Market”? Some of you seriously need to get help.
“Keep telling yourself DZ. You’d be surprised if you had the inside scoop. It happens all through the system: college, residency, etc…”
What I was saying, if that if you’re talking about a “regular” legacy applicant (e.g. one parent and maybe an uncle/aunt went to the school, parent donates but not a crazy amount), I think that person gets a very modest advantage (equivalent to *slightly* higher SAT score or another extracurricular) and a careful read. But it’s not getting an otherwise undistinguished B/C student into H/Y/P. If you’re the kid of big name alumni (or celebrity, us senator, etc.) or you’re an child actor, you get a serious advantage, but that’s not most legacies. Also, if you are a *major* donor, your kid pretty much gets in automatically. But a regular legacy does not get a huge advantage. I don’t know if you disagree with this.
1. thin-crust with italian sausage and mushroom is the best pizza.
2. Barack Obama did benefit from affirmative action. SO WHAT? it is/was there for people to BENEFIT from for a reason. Does anyone remember slavery and the 100 years of incredible oppression of blacks that followed. aa is a remedy…not perfect, but it, in fact, worked. See who the president is? and, btw, for those haters…aa is no different from ‘privilege’ that folks like george bush or jack kennedy had. it evens the playing field. that’s equality.
3. nice condo on a desolate corner that will be a thriving commercial area someday in the next 10-15 years. big mistake to build it, imo.
@hd, out of curiosity, which judge was this? Most federal judges I am familiar with have pretty regular schedules, and I don’t recall any of my colleagues who had clerked for a judge who would work until 2 a.m. on a regular basis.
Also, I don’t think your characterization of the judge and what he had to do to get there is necessarily accurate. Most of the people I know who did well in college and in law school were normal in the sense that they went out with friends, liked to go to bars, etc. They did well because they were smart, though they did put in an adequate amount of time studying. The folks who were constantly studying and briefing and outlining were the ones who did not quite get it.
“something about A students becoming bankers/lawyers and C students ending up with buildings named after them.”
Two of the 3 richest Americans are college dropouts, not even “C students”.
The Koch brothers, of course, have hi-falutin’ MIT degrees.
What, no votes for Father + Son/Marcello’s ‘za on North Ave. Just a little distance from the property inquestion?
How’s THAT for a “segue” (pronounced like those high-tech cop-scooters).
Well, I guess the era of the “urban pioneers” must really be over. You know, that time in the late 70s/early 80s when people who could afford a “nice” home elsewhere would deliberately move in or near a “marginal” nabe and tick off the time until the rest of the area would “come around” and make their “astronomical” investment an object of awe and envy among ther suburbanite friends
You know, like a few blocks west of here in Wicker/Bucktown.
“But it’s not needed, Russ. The people/”under-represented minorities” I met at my top tier grad school were more than amply qualified and on top of their A game. With stats and grades indiscernible from regular students (not sure if the school engages in AA or to what degree but anecdotal observations appeared not to).”
You and Russ (and JMM) didn’t all go to the same b school? That’s how I had in pictured. I don’t really know but would have thought there was AA in many top b schools?
Also, seems to me now you’re making the same argument as anonny etc. That AA doesn’t really have an effect (in which case why complain about it, or why support it).
“You and Russ (and JMM) didn’t all go to the same b school?”
Not my impression. 2 top tier locals.
“I don’t actually have a problem with ending AA.”
I do.
AA should be enhanced, not only to provide even greater opportunities to an even greater number of minorities, but also to provide opportunities to working-class folks, regardless of race (i.e., socio-economic AA).
“Basically, take a test and highest score gets you in.”
I agree. There’s a reason our country is getting our butts kicked by the likes of the India’s and China’s. In India it’s all about testing, the IIMs and IITs have a very small admit percentage but EVERYONE is encouraged to test. Sure the WSJ recently ran an article about how US companies are having a hard time hiring Indians that are thoroughly Americanized enough but honestly that is stuff that can be taught fairly easily.
I know exactly what a candidate is all about that graduated from an Indian university. Not the same for the US or European modeled schools.
@Bob, having worked with a bunch of IIT grads, many were extremely intelligent but lacked a lot of the intangible qualities that make people really successful. Great at using Excel and Access, but many were horrible team leaders, dealing with politics, and thinking out of the box. Basically good for sitting off in a corner driving a spreadsheet. Of course, I’m being somewhat stereotypical, but high test scores do not necessarily correlate with success. In the case of American schools, I would suspect that model would basically make the entire student body Asian and then angry white guys would be supporting affirmative action and the use of “intangibles” for admissions criteria.
American grad schools are a pretty good screen for employers which is why companies that like raw, talent, and innate intelligent tend to focus their recruiting efforts at those schools. They know the odds of getting an idiot from Harvard or similar schools are pretty slim. Much more efficient to just go to the top tier instead of trying to find that one super star at lower tier schools.
Bob, if you or anyone else are really open minded about AA or the black experience, I would recommend reading a book called Member of the Club by Lawerence Otis Graham. He is a black grad of Princeton and HLS. Worked at one of the white shoe law firms in NY.
The book is about his experiences at Princeton, HLS, the law firm, and how we also went undercover as a busboy at an exclusive country club. It does a good job of describing a lot of the subtle racism that is faced, nepotism, doors being opened, etc and why AA is necessary. His wife is Pamela Thomas Graham who did Harvard undergrad/HBS & HLS and was the first black female partner at McKinsey.
Hey guys my drink and dinner offer is still out there, i am free tonight.
@Russ, there was an interesting article in the WSJ a few years ago that gave examples of Korean high school kids from University High School in Irvine (a top ranked public school) who had 4.0+ and 1500+ that only got accepted to UC San Diego. So there does appear to be a “lid” on Asian admits at universities.
Re: your second point, reminds me of an anecdote from Justice Scalia about one of his clerks, now Judge Sutton. Sutton went to Ohio State for law school and was hired by Justice Powell, who then retired that year. Scalia was forced to take on Powell’s hires, and he has said publicly that even though Sutton was one of his very best clerks, he would have never hired him because he went to OSU.
“who had 4.0+ and 1500+ that only got accepted to UC San Diego. So there does appear to be a “lid” on Asian admits at universities. ”
Not “Asian” so broadly; if they’d been philipino, or vietnamese or hmong or something other than the big three, they’d have all gotten in.
“0% African-American”
I do not think it means what you think it means.
I was thinking and the similarities between BHO and GHB are striking. Both in office over expensive wars. Both during difficult economic times. Both completely out of touch with the working class American people. Both made explicit promises about either their behavior or the future which wound up not true.
Hopefully the electorate will hold BHO as accountable as GHB did. People don’t like being lied to: they feel taken advantage of. If BHO was nearly as shrewd of a politician as the MSM claims he is he would’ve never made promises regarding unemployment and would’ve been more honest and straightforward with the American people.
Or maybe he was just that arrogant that he honestly believed his administrations policies could have an immediate and substantive impact on unemployment. I guess they don’t teach too many econ courses in Law School or the liberal arts classes people take in undergrad to do well on the LSAT. Too bad for America they needed a leader but they got a legislator.
err..as they did for GHB.
You mean as opposed to most GZ folk, roma?
As in those who are willing to spend 500k for a house in a “green zone” neighborhood (which are all mostly white, none majority black nor contain a significant number of them) when they can get a similar house on the south side for…oh…I dunno…100k?
Do you know, roma, that the land looks very similar on the south side. It’s just something about that area why noone desires to live there…must be something in the soil? Maybe under a different jet stream?
“We can see who wears the pants in this relationship.”
Wow.. you know nothing about us Khazars… you have to wonder who runs a Jewish household?
Dan.. There won’t be many white people in the U.S. in 150 years. Blended out… what could be more obvious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
Btw.. wasn’t it your sister about 1:20 into this video? Why wouldn’t we go after that. More than cute enough, obviously any attention given to her will pay dividends,since her father gave her none, and you know you’re 50/50 on hearing her say she’s trying to stay a virgin so you can only put it in her ***
You talk the talk, roma. But let me ask you: what neighborhood do you live in? Let’s find out if you’re one of the closeted ones you claim to so despise.
Ze if you like making fun of dumb Americans you should watch Leno’s Jay Walking feature. It’s far funnier and the people are even dumber.
Oh Bob.. you win on this one. Hands down.
Maybe 1 or 2 people I have seen on here wants to live near poor black people. Hell, rich black people don’t want to be near poor black people either.
I still can’t get over anonny lecturing people like he’s the voice of middle class whites and then we find out his kid is being raised not as a white, christian, european-american, but as a Jew. Un-friggin-believable. And it explains it all. Usually when you hear someone taking a counter-intuitive stance there’s a hidden reason, now it’s out. He’s lost his privileges to speak on our behalf or to have anyone listen to him.
“One thing I do appreciate is Bob/Dan being completely out-of-the-closet about his racism.”
It]s not racism, it’s celebrating our diversity and our human biodiversity and standing up to troglodyte, knuckle-dragging liberals, pseudo-science and deniers/idiots who would laughably claim ” we’re all the same”.
“You talk the talk, roma. But let me ask you: what neighborhood do you live in? Let’s find out if you’re one of the closeted ones you claim to so despise. ”
So, the only way to support a claim that you aren’t anti-whoever is to live with them? In that case, I believe you qualify as anti-redneck, Bob.
“Ze if you like making fun of dumb Americans you should watch Leno’s Jay Walking feature. It’s far funnier and the people are even dumber.”
What about ex-Chicagoan John Quinones’ TV show “what would you do?” Does anyone here think the composition and % of ethnicities shown is not dishonestly manipulated or engineered to achieve PC aims? Just like the mug shots they have pictured on the Trib and Suntimes websites everyday, completely manipulated beyond what the honest stats would be.
“What about ex-Chicagoan John Quinones’ TV show “what would you do?” ”
I think I’ve only seen it once but I was impressed with the one skit.
It was a white clerk (actor) and two mexican actors who were trying to buy a coffee and a donut at some qwik-e-mart. Dead giveaway should’ve been white clerk at kwik-e-mart hah but it actually showed a black customer siding with the clerk who was trying to kick the Mexicans out because they didn’t speak English and that made the cut!
(Of course that didn’t stop Johnny liberal whites from trying to step up and call the clerk racist).
The black customer was like “the clerk said you have to LEAVE, GTFO!”. It was great I’m still amazed that made it through.
Normally the media is very keen to filter out discrimination from minorities (especially intra-minority discrmination as they like to try to foster some sort of image of a cohesive alliance among all minority groups to white viewers, which of course doesn’t exist).
“It’s unclear to me how anyone can find Jay Leno, especially “Jaywalking Allstars,” funny in any way.”
If you hate undereducated white SoCal tourists, it’s great sport!
Dan see book 1.. it’s your peoples history too. The evangelicals get it.
yep.. today American white male is all of 2.2% of the global population. By 2050 it will be about 1.3%…
Like Elvis Costello said “you better watch your step”
This is the dumbest cribchatter conversation ever.
Genocide, absolutely not.
Miscegenation, Yes! Not wishing either, just see it as inevitable.
“they are very demanding/picky/want to wear the pants”
Bob.. the mothers ALWAYS rule the house, with 100% focus on the son, so they see their role early. The fathers spoil them and assure them regularly the are princesses so you go up against that. I went for a shiksa, and knew I would since I was 13.
“This is the dumbest cribchatter conversation ever.”
Holy shit!! JMM is correct. Fighting about price is diminishing, the market is coming closer to equilibrium. The CC indicator.
Well if it’s the dumbest, I need to throw in… Why is Penelope Cruz getting hotter as she ages?
Well HD.. To redeem myself. It wouldn’t be incomprehensible for a trading group to be positive on 100% of days.
“It wouldn’t be incomprehensible for a trading group to be positive on 100% of days.”
GS comes close. Or as I like to call them…jooman sachs.
Btw.. being nice here.. you should never follow their reports. If they are publishing sell, they are the ones out there buying back what they sold 3 days ago, knowing what they were about to report.
Btw.. lot’s and lot’s of goys there. Don’t fool yourself.
there should be a limit on the number of times an individual can post on a thread
No.. genocide MUST be a DELIBERATE attempt. I wish no such thing. Now off to play with my horsies for a few days.. Ate Logo!
as for reducing diversity…. Come to Rio and see the rediculousness of that comment.
Also eliminates existing recessive genes from the human population.
Spout your shit to every girl you meet, see your pool dry up, evolution works.
Anyone who’s never seen a Caucasian clerk in a convenience store really, really, needs to get out more.
“Harvard undergrad, graduated honors, went off to be a trader (not at LEH/BSC), he’s probably doing pretty well.”
Bob, you really got the short end of the stick to hear all your whining about what you can’t afford. If you have a job (stretch, I know) and are a few years out of any decent B school you should be able to afford something.