Get a 3-Bedroom SFH For the Price of a Townhouse: 712 N. Throop in West Town
This 3-bedroom single family home at 712 N. Throop in the Noble Square neighborhood of West Town came on the market in February 2012.
The house has a lot of features buyers look for.
Built in 1999 on a 25×100 lot, it has a 2 car garage attached garage and central air.
The master suite and the two other bedrooms are all on the second floor.
There is a finished lower level with a family room and a full bath.
The kitchen has white cabinets, stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops.
First listed in February for $549,000, it has been reduced $20,000.
That’s $29,000 over the 2009 purchase price of $500,000.
Will this house be able to command a premium to the 2009 price in this hot(ter) market?
Marina Jacobson at Koenig & Strey Real Living has the listing. See the pictures here.
712 N. Throop: 3 bedrooms, 3.5 baths, no square footage listed, 2 car garage
- Sold in February 1997 for $75,500 (prior house)
- Sold in May 2000 for $358,000
- Sold in November 2006 for $525,000
- Sold in August 2009 for $500,000
- Originally listed in February 2012 for $549,000
- Reduced
- Currently listed at $529,000
- Taxes of $10,359
- Central Air
- Bedroom #1: 17×12 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 15×17 (second floor)
- Bedroom #3: 10×10 (second floor)
- Family room: 29×15 (lower level)
ugly ugly ugly
Strange. I grew up in Humboldt Park and never heard of West Town though apparently HP is part of the amalgamation that makes up West Town.
what are the boundaries of Noble Square?
I rented on this block on 2008. Although I love the area, this part of town is block by block, due to the Jane Adams and bickerdike housing scattered around.
This would be a block I’d avoid. Graffitti, trash, gangbangers, and in the summertime, fireworks and loud parties all night long. And arguments held at a level loud enough for he whole block to hear. Maybe some of the characters who ruined the quality of life have moved on, bit with all those units on the block, not a gamble I would take. Definitely wouldn’t even consider dropping 500k to live here, even if this place wasn’t ugly as sin.
It wasn’t worth my dirt cheap rental price.
While I like the physical location with proximity to downtown, this particular area has a lot of low income housing and IMO has suffered as a result. For the same vintage home in a slightly better part of West Town I would look at this…
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/528-N-Claremont-Ave-60612/home/14105603
“Strange. I grew up in Humboldt Park and never heard of West Town though”
i dated a girl who lived just past the school here, she never called it “west town” either.
still waiting for a solid reason why a person should pay over 400k to live in “west town”?
http://www.westtownchamber.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Town,_Chicago
thanks google.
“still waiting for a solid reason why a person should pay over 400k to live in “west town”?”
You mean a part of WT that has no other identity, or anywhere west of the river, east of Humboldt Park (the park itself) between Bloomingdale and Kinzie? If the former, sure, understandable point; if the latter, your BT/WP hate is showing.
bc, I think even you could understand someone willingly paying at least $425k (maybe even $500k!!) for this:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1733-N-Wood-St-60622/home/13354897
“West Town” is the official community area that encompasses most of Noble Square, Wicker Park, Bucktown, Ukie, and Humboldt. It goes from the River to Richmond (Humboldt Park) and from Kinzie to the train tracks just north of Wabansia. It’s huge. Nobody refers to their neighborhood as “West Town” because it is not very specific.
http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/doit/general/GIS/Chicago_Maps/Community_Areas/CA_WEST_TOWN.pdf
There are plenty of places in West Town that I’d pay over $1m to live in. There are plenty of other places in West Town where I wouldn’t pay $150K.
“still waiting for a solid reason why a person should pay over 400k to live in “west town”?”
It’s all opinion and what tickles your balls. However I would pay >$400k to live…
– Noble square 1300 block of Chestnut St right on Eckhart Park.
– Ukrainian Village I would be very happy just West of Damen & just South of Chicago
– Smith Park: 2500 block of Huron on the park
Think about how many foreign electrical / mechanical engineering students you could fit in here. Then, imagine the smell. Enjoy your lunch.
Actually ignore the last comment, this is not nearby UIC, but still, enjoy your lunches.
Looks like section 8 from the curb. And, it’s on an alley. Way ugly.
This location is convenient to alot: Blue Line cta, 66, 56, Wicker Park, Bucktown, West Loop, River North, Eckhart park, Ukranian Village, United Center, Kennedy and Eisenhower Expys. Why someone choose Logan Sq. over this location, if the non-LP culture that diversity provides is similar in both places? I think it’s better to be near Chicago and Milwaukee, than way the F out by Diversey and Kimball. Is there a bigger park than Eckhart Park anywhere in the GZ west of the river (not incl. Humboldt)?
“Is there a bigger park than Eckhart Park anywhere in the GZ west of the river (not incl. Humboldt)?”
If Humboldt Park counts as “in the GZ”, then so would Horner, which is much larger than Eckhart.
Did the builder run out of money for windows? Seems like the front could use a couple more.
I agree with the previous post. Ugly, ugly, ugly.
Helemethofer, did you miss the part above where someone said there’s “affordable” housing all around (aka “scattered site”)? Man was that the biggest racket ever; “scattering” subsidized housing all over Humboldt Park and West Town, in sort of “pockets” that were already economically distressed.. And, a lot of the lots that they built that stuff on was first bought up by some connected developer guys for pennies, and then sold to the city for many dollars.
Don’t. Get. Me. Going.
That the ownership of this house seems to turn over every 3 years (but congrats to the 2000 buyer on timing the sale) seems to mean my experience on this block has been shared by others.
A 3BR/3Bath SFH shouldn’t have that type of turnover.
Hideous facade, terrible layout, terrible daylighting, awkward fireplaces, average finishes, CMU sheathed in vinyl…
Teardown candidate 2040.
“If the former, sure, understandable point; if the latter, your BT/WP hate is showing”
the hate for BT/WP is a given, its the no identity (and should stay that way) i speak of.
still trying to figure out how smith park across from the train depot became a logical spot to get somewhat popular.
“still trying to figure out how smith park across from the train depot became a logical spot to get somewhat popular.”
Ditto. We could use some posts about that area. It’s quiet over there, the park itself is nice, quiet, no school, has pool. Lots of teardowns over there and new housing stock. Seems like a polite neighborhood, safe, community, etc. Joey Lombardo types used to run in that area in the 60’s & 70’s, that probably why it never turned into total crap.
“helmethofer (April 25, 2012, 3:58 pm)
Ditto. We could use some posts about that area. It’s quiet over there, the park itself is nice, quiet, no school, has pool. Lots of teardowns over there and new housing stock. Seems like a polite neighborhood, safe, community, etc. Joey Lombardo types used to run in that area in the 60?s & 70?s, that probably why it never turned into total crap.”
Bingo. The Sicilian American Club has a private bar on the NW corner of Campbell and Huron.
Couple the, ummmm, “protection” with the fact that the railyard (that seems undesirable to an outsider) stretches all the way from Sacramento to Western, presenting an impermeable membrane to those that might want to migrate North from the *very* sketch areas South of Lake Street. If you look at the crime maps at https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Crimes-Map/dfnk-7re6 you will note that the Smith Park area rates their SAFEST designation, while the neighborhood immediately Southwest rates their MOST DANGEROUS designation. If it weren’t got the railyard, I probably wouldn’t want to live in that area.
Smith Park itself is great. Lots of dog owners meet there to socialize, kids playing baseball and soccer, etc. I could do without the public pool on site though. Ewww.
In general, the area bordered by Grand, Washtenaw, Chicago, and Western is nicer than is has a right to be at this longitude and latitude.
If you guys have any other Q’s, let me know. I’ve been there for 5-6 years now.
And yeah, this house if capital F *FUGLY*.
Oh and since we’re kind of on the subject – does anyone know the story on 2538 W Huron St? It’s a double lot directly North of Smith Park that I thought was just a strange giant SFR but perhaps it’s a multi-unit. It looks WAY out of place on the block. Check Google Street View…
“anyone know the story on 2538 W Huron St?”
Owned by a land trust. Appears to be SFH/photo gallery. Check 2540, for deets.
“If you guys have any other Q’s, let me know. I’ve been there for 5-6 years now.”
What public schools do people use? what Catholic schools? any of them any good?
Do people use the Western Ave. metra stop to commute downtown, in reality?
Most of Chicago’s housing stock is this ugly. Whether or not people choose to admit it or not is another story.
“Most of Chicago’s housing stock is this ugly.”
Most of Chicago’s housing stock is in neighborhoods most here have never been to, barely acknowledge exist, and would never consider living in.
“Most of Chicago’s housing stock is in neighborhoods most here have never been to, barely acknowledge exist, and would never consider living in.”
And most of it is priced right for the (lack of) aesthetic appeal it brings to the table. Whereas this fugly POS is priced at half a mill. LMAO! 2000 price says a lot.
2006 buyer, who was a wealth poseur, got out by finding another wealth poseur. But wealth poseurs are a vanishing breed so long as the financing floodgates aren’t re-opened.
FUGLY from the outside (curb repel?). Average on the inside at best.
the front of this house looks like it should be the back of a house. Imagine the front door replaced by a slightly smaller door & slightly smaller stairs (or a small deck), and it looks like the back side of many city houses.
“still trying to figure out how smith park across from the train depot became a logical spot to get somewhat popular.”
I don’t get it either Groove. I’ve tried to figure this out for years. If you have a million dollar budget, why are you buying there? Unless it’s something to do with a commute (you work in the western suburbs or at Rush Medical Center or United Center or something.)
why in the world is the ‘dining room’ alllll the way up in the front of the house and the TV/living area is back next to the kitchen ? And then the only other living space in the basement ? geeze. what a craphole.
I always assumed they laundered money through real estate in Smith Park. 20 years ago, SFH’s would be double the price of nicer properties in Ukranian Village. Now there seems to be a lot of new Russian/Ukranian families using the park. Their 4th of July is still the best though!
Who is questioning living over there? Eckhart Park is great, Chicago Ave restaurants are great, close to several bus lines and the blue line to take you downtown or ORD. Close to Lincoln Park, Wicker Park, Smith Park, etc. I can’t talk about this particular block but I would love to live around there. I’m actually looking for a place but this current listing isn’t for me.
“still trying to figure out how smith park across from the train depot became a logical spot to get somewhat popular.”
“I don’t get it either Groove. I’ve tried to figure this out for years. If you have a million dollar budget, why are you buying there? Unless it’s something to do with a commute (you work in the western suburbs or at Rush Medical Center or United Center or something.)”
I think you get it, you just don’t fit your own exceptions to completely understand.
“Seems like a polite neighborhood, safe, community, etc. Joey Lombardo types used to run in that area in the 60?s & 70?s, that probably why it never turned into total crap.”
I never considered the “alternative policing” aspect. But also the old school Italians that remain in the area look out for the neighborhood as a whole. In Bucktown the migrant yuppies seem only to care about what happens within their lot line and if their BMW gets a scratch parked on the street.
“I don’t get it either Groove. I’ve tried to figure this out for years. If you have a million dollar budget, why are you buying there? Unless it’s something to do with a commute (you work in the western suburbs or at Rush Medical Center or United Center or something.”
but given the doctor aspect, bucktown and wp (cringe) is just as good as a commute and a better area. with that budget. but oddly these high price homes over here are finding buyers.
i will chalk it up to the, new or newish to chicago folk who dont like following trendz and yuppies like sheeple, but afraid to live west of western. as i still havent seen a northface jacket on anybody over here yet.
“I think you get it, you just don’t fit your own exceptions to completely understand.”
Really ChiBuilder? A million dollar budget gets you into ANY neighborhood.
So I’m going to choose Smith Park with crap schools, not so great shopping/restaurants, and cop cars driving up and down the streets in the middle of the day on a Sunday? (which I encountered not too long ago when I was over there looking at some properties?) Hey- nothing wrong with Chicago’s finest making sure the neighborhood is safe- but two or three of them cruising slowly around the streets? Really?
I don’t get it. It’s a C location so why pay an A price? I can understand if you’re paying $500,000 to live in what would be a million dollar house. But the million dollar house is the same there as it is in Lakeview, North Center blah, blah, blah. Why pay the premium? For what?
I don’t get it.
“I think you get it, you just don’t fit your own exceptions to completely understand”
could be, but i dont get or doesnt fit my expectations of it especially the pricing.
“But the million dollar house is the same there as it is in Lakeview, North Center blah, blah, blah.”
Really? I can get a new construction home that is the same as this one but in Coonley or Bell or Blaine for $1MM?
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2550-W-Huron-St-60612/home/22660517
“Really? I can get a new construction home that is the same as this one but in Coonley or Bell or Blaine for $1MM?”
Should be able to get it for $1.25, since the only cost difference should be the extra $300k for a teardown.
“Unless it’s something to do with a commute (you work in the western suburbs or at Rush Medical Center or United Center or something.)”
Those were your exceptions.
Not the desire for good schools (important yes, but not everyone’s top priority).
Not the spectacular shopping. This would probably change the dynamic of the hood completely drawing more traffic and noise.
I don’t know what to say about your comment on the cops patrolling the area. Unless they came with the gang-bangers and dealers to complement their presence I don’t see it as a bad thing.
“Tom (April 25, 2012, 11:05 pm)
why in the world is the ‘dining room’ alllll the way up in the front of the house and the TV/living area is back next to the kitchen ? ”
Because that’s what more and more buyers are looking for these days: Formal dining room used very infrequently; family room used daily. Put the family room adjacent/open to the kitchen for interaction. 25 foot lots don’t leave a lot for interpretation. You just pick the order of the rooms, basically.
“helmethofer (April 25, 2012, 4:44 pm)
What public schools do people use? what Catholic schools? any of them any good?
Do people use the Western Ave. metra stop to commute downtown, in reality?”\
I have no idea on schools, sorry. We are DINKs at this point. I wouldn’t expect anything, CPS-wise, to be acceptable in the area.
I work up in Wrigleyville and commute via car (Grand to Lakeshore North) each day and I see lots of people walking to the Metra stop. Whether they’re headed East or West I couldn’t say. The 65-Grand Bus is an option, if you’re a bus type. You can switch to Blue Line at Halsted/Milwaukee. Overally though, the commute on Grand is very car friendly. Due to rush hour parking restrictions, it’s basically 2 lanes inboundAM/outboundPM so it flows well. It takes me about 10-12 minutes from Smith Park to Navy Pier in the AM.
“Groove77 (April 26, 2012, 8:47 am)
but given the doctor aspect, bucktown and wp (cringe) is just as good as a commute and a better area. with that budget. but oddly these high price homes over here are finding buyers.”
If you compare apples to apples the properties in Bucktown/WP are significantly more $$$ than West Town, and for good reason in most cases. Contemporary SFRs going for $800k in West Town are $950k-$1.1MM in B/WP. Likewise $650k in WT = $750k-800k in WP.
“Because that’s what more and more buyers are looking for these days: Formal dining room used very infrequently; family room used daily. Put the family room adjacent/open to the kitchen for interaction.”
i get the concept, but in practice it doesnt work fro people who cook frequently. I dont about you guys but when my wife cooks and i leave a jacket or sweater in the kitchen, then its done and needs to be washed.
the noise in the kitchen, from use, is not conductive to watching tv either. even the top of the line dishwashers (which no of you have) emits noise. when wifey is full on cook mode it pretty darn noisy and smelly (smelly in a good way).
Sabrina (April 26, 2012, 8:52 am)
“But the million dollar house is the same there as it is in Lakeview, North Center blah, blah, blah. Why pay the premium? For what?”
Ummmmmm, no. $1MM in Smith Park / West Town is definitely going to buy you more house than Lakeview or North Center. Not even remotely comparable.
There’s a new construction contemporary home being built right on Smith Park at 2524 W Huron (http://www.sergioandbanks.com/chicago-new-home-new-construction-alerts/). They’re pricing it at $899k, which I’d admit is a little aggressive. If there’s a new construction contemporary home with premium finishes in lakeview for under $1MM I’d like to see it.
“DZ (April 26, 2012, 8:59 am)
Really? I can get a new construction home that is the same as this one but in Coonley or Bell or Blaine for $1MM?
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2550-W-Huron-St-60612/home/22660517”
Whoops, looks like I was beaten to the punch. =)
“If you compare apples to apples the properties in Bucktown/WP are significantly more $$$ than West Town, and for good reason in most cases. Contemporary SFRs going for $800k in West Town are $950k-$1.1MM in B/WP. Likewise $650k in WT = $750k-800k in WP”
agreed its pricier, but given the budget of 1mil a slightly smaller home in bt/wp would seem more in line wouldn’t it?
“Groove77 (April 26, 2012, 10:45 am)
i get the concept, but in practice it doesnt work fro people who cook frequently. I dont about you guys but when my wife cooks and i leave a jacket or sweater in the kitchen, then its done and needs to be washed.
the noise in the kitchen, from use, is not conductive to watching tv either. even the top of the line dishwashers (which no of you have) emits noise. when wifey is full on cook mode it pretty darn noisy and smelly (smelly in a good way).”
It works for my family and my wife and I cook nearly every night. I sear steaks in a ripping hot cast iron pan and there’s smoke galore, but I ponied up for a big ass Vent-a-Hood range hood so it’s not an issue. And you can’t tell if our dishwasher is on unless you’re within 5 feet of it.
“Groove77 (April 26, 2012, 10:47 am)
agreed its pricier, but given the budget of 1mil a slightly smaller home in bt/wp would seem more in line wouldn’t it?”
*shrug* That’s the million dollar question, literally, I guess. Some people are willing to go into a little more aggressive neighborhood to get more house for the dollar. If I wanted the same square footage condo I have now in BT/WP, it would have cost me approximately 50% more. (not to mention that it doesn’t really exist)
“agreed its pricier, but given the budget of 1mil a slightly smaller home in bt/wp would seem more in line wouldn’t it?”
Depends on your personal tradeoffs.
“even the top of the line dishwashers (which no of you have) emits noise”
Careful, @fo will come at you with decibel measurements. I surely have the shittiest one year new dishwasher of anyone here (old one broke down and we were excited for a moment until we saw the replacement our landlord picked out) and I don’t want to be anywhere on the same floor when it’s running. But I have heard really nice ones. Virtually silent.
“*shrug* That’s the million dollar question, literally, I guess. Some people are willing to go into a little more aggressive neighborhood to get more house for the dollar. If I wanted the same square footage condo I have now in BT/WP, it would have cost me approximately 50% more. (not to mention that it doesn’t really exist)”
funny as you can get a non aggressive hood twice the size of house for half the cost on the NW side and actually better commute options.
but again everyone is different, i just havent grasped the thought process on people who think differently than I
“Groove77 (April 26, 2012, 11:00 am)
funny as you can get a non aggressive hood twice the size of house for half the cost on the NW side and actually better commute options.
but again everyone is different, i just havent grasped the thought process on people who think differently than I”
Link me to a nice 8000 square foot house for $375k please. I can be there to sign in 10 minutes. =)
“Really ChiBuilder? A million dollar budget gets you into ANY neighborhood.”
You are 100% correct, and the market is completely in line with supply/demand in the C-good/B-better/A-best areas. Redfin search $950k+ sold and on market for the following areas…
A- Lincoln Park (153 properties): Map bound by North Ave – Fullerton and 90/94 – the lake
B- Bucktown/WP (42 properties): Map bound by North Ave – Fullerton and Humboldt Blvd – 90/94
C- West Town (11 properties): Map bound by Grand Ave – Division and California – 90/94
That there are properties available >$950k in West Town does not surprise me.
That there are a lot less available compared to WP/BT/LP does not surprise me either.
“Tom (April 25, 2012, 11:05 pm)
why in the world is the ‘dining room’ alllll the way up in the front of the house and the TV/living area is back next to the kitchen ? ”
and “25 foot lots don’t leave a lot for interpretation. You just pick the order of the rooms, basically.”
For the subject property, the builder didn’t have a lot of room to work with. We’ve seen this design in a lot of new construction and recent rehabs. I guess they’ve improved on the template because iIn wider lots the dining room is bigger and there is even more space for a living room with the family room in the back that could simply be a breakfast nook.
“Link me to a nice 8000 square foot house for $375k please. I can be there to sign in 10 minutes. =)”
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2318-N-Oak-Park-Ave-60707/home/13431757
if you include the sqft of the whole lot. there you go, nice, 8000 sqft, under 375k
BTW 500k is half of 1mil not 375k
“even the top of the line dishwashers (which no of you have) emits noise”
Doesn’t everyone just run their dishwasher at night or when they leave for work in the morning?
“Groove77 (April 26, 2012, 11:07 am)
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2318-N-Oak-Park-Ave-60707/home/13431757
if you include the sqft of the whole lot. there you go, nice, 8000 sqft, under 375k
BTW 500k is half of 1mil not 375k”
Haha no not the lot; I’m not a farmer. INTERIOR square footage. My condo is 4000sf. And I didn’t pay a million bucks. 😉
If it makes you feel any better though, we’re looking for a SFR on a nice big lot in Old Irving these days.
BTW Groove that 2318 Oak Park property is in the middle of nowhere and needs a gut rehab or a blowtorch.
Apples to cucumbers. =)
Groove, looks like that 2318 Oak Park property finally caught the market.
“Haha no not the lot; I’m not a farmer. INTERIOR square footage. My condo is 4000sf. And I didn’t pay a million bucks. ;-)”
its ok because they covered most of the lot with a huge above ground pool.
“BTW Groove that 2318 Oak Park property is in the middle of nowhere and needs a gut rehab or a blowtorch”
gut rehab not needed, style and taste decor needed.
and its not the middle of nowhere chicago and damen is no mans land
“Groove, looks like that 2318 Oak Park property finally caught the market”
i forgot what price did it start at? 499k? now that was crazy
“Groove77 (April 26, 2012, 11:36 am)
and its not the middle of nowhere chicago and damen is no mans land”
LOL. That statement is near Cliosian in it’s ignorance/derpitude.
“LOL. That statement is near Cliosian in it’s ignorance/derpitude.”
I am well versed on your hood, and first hand witnessed the change that happened in my life time
dude i hung out for years in HS on chicago and damen. my best bud lived there for years so i was over there many times over after i stopped hang out on stops over there.
given the last time i was there in the past three years was the hipster fest oops i meant west town fest.
so ignorance is not a factor. golf clap for you living in the hood for five years, yes you can probably tell me every new store that opened up down your street. but its still not called “west town” as it never had a name and for good reason.
West Town is an officical community area of Chicago.
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1342.html
The 2318 Oak Park property is not in the middle of nowhere, it’s more like off to the right of no-where. 😀 There’s good shopping centers nearby though you have to drive to them. I cannot speak for nearby restaurants or bars but i’m guessing the walkability isn’t as good as most places featured here.
Chicago and Damen is improving gradually . Division and Damen through Ashland has exploded with new trendy bars and restaurants and eventually this will spill over to Chicago and Augusta. (not in time for the feature property).
“Careful, @fo will come at you with decibel measurements.”
Yeah, the newer Bosch’s are basically silent–quieter than a newer refrigerator. 40 dB (ie, quieter than bird calls, and likely quieter than the ambient noise standing outside your front door Groove). Yeah, $900+, but what we’ll buy to replace current Bosch if/when it dies. Also uses far less water and electricity than others.
Miele… nothing even comes close. You could hear a baby fart from the other side of the room even with 2 running. Dishes come out spotless as well, although the baby farting makes for a better commercial.
Juliana..post dimensions.
“dude i hung out for SIX years in HS on chicago and damen”
Fixed that for you.
“Miele… nothing even comes close.”
You saying the Bosch people are lying saying they have *the* quietest? I’m sure (w/o checking) that we’re talking about a difference few could possbily distinguish in a otherwise perfectly silent room, nevermind a real house, but I beleive the claim is true.
“You saying the Bosch people are lying saying they have *the* quietest? I’m sure (w/o checking) that we’re talking about a difference few could possbily distinguish in a otherwise perfectly silent room, nevermind a real house, but I beleive the claim is true.”
After GTHOOI, Bosch’s claim is footnoted as “Based on available sound information on competitors’ websites”.
Have seen comments saying Miele doesn’t report on comparable basis, so potentially not included in Bosch’s claim. Miele rates some of its DW as a 5 on its own scale: “The Miele acoustics rating system ranks the quietness of each new dishwasher product on a scale of 1-5, with 5 being the quietest dishwasher available.”
I’m leaning toward Ze. At least Miele is making an unqualified (perhaps incorrect but unqualified) claim of being the quietest.
I also have now GTHOOI, and present the following:
Here are the dba levels for Miele.
Q1 (Inspira) around 55 dBa
Q2 (Diamente Plus) around 50 dBa
Q3 (Optima) around 44-45 dBa
Q4 (Excella) around 40-41 dBa
Q5 (LaPerle) around 39-40 dBa
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/603709
btw, the LaPerla is about 2x the Bosch.
“Yeah, the newer Bosch’s are basically silent–quieter than a newer refrigerator. 40 dB (ie, quieter than bird calls, and likely quieter than the ambient noise standing outside your front door Groove). Yeah, $900+, but what we’ll buy to replace current Bosch if/when it dies. Also uses far less water and electricity than others.”
We broke down and bought a new Bosch dishwasher after our old one could be heard over our TV down our 30′ hall in the living room. The new dishwasher cannot be heard at the dining room table in our open kitchen/dining room unless plates are banging around.
“Doesn’t everyone just run their dishwasher at night or when they leave for work in the morning?”
Not any more with the quiet Bosch. Whenever it is full, we run it. No need to worry about forgetting to run it anymore either! 🙂
“You saying the Bosch people are lying saying they have *the* quietest?”
I am saying I hate Bosch.. had problem with Thermador double oven and found them to be a bunch of pricks. Will also say I prefer just knocking out the dishes by hand but had the miele (2 actually) and when I did use it the results were just excellent. Same goes for laundry machine if you don’t mind waiting 3 hours to do laundry.
“West Town is an officical community area of Chicago.”
yep gave a call to my uncle who lived over there before i was born, yep nobody called it “west town” back then either. but everything need a label nowadays so call it what you will.
miele:
http://www.miele.de/de/haushalt/produkte/1157_G_5985_SCVi_XXL-37576.htm
ROFLMAO… Once again DZ proves that anon is always taking out of his ass… 🙂
That knocks anon out of the Ann Sachs interview at round 16….
“Hey- nothing wrong with Chicago’s finest making sure the neighborhood is safe- but two or three of them cruising slowly around the streets? Really?”
Every so often, some West siders or Westhaven/Henry Horner residents will get the bright idea to do a string of robberies around there. Remember, the housing from Lake to Warren, Western to Ashland is probably 85% subsidized housing.
The 13th District runs frequent robbery missions, a nice byproduct of having become a slower District (though the plan to merge it into the 12th District will eventually reduce police manpower in the combined areas no matter what Rahm tells you).
“anon is always taking out of his ass”
Not so quick, leaning back to @fo. bosch at 39; miele regular mode at 41, with silent mode at 38
“Yeah, the newer Bosch’s are basically silent–quieter than a newer refrigerator. 40 dB (ie, quieter than bird calls, and likely quieter than the ambient noise standing outside your front door Groove). Yeah, $900+,”
900+ to clean my dishes, ouch!
again i dont think that bosch would be installed in this unit, or most places that will have the above tight layout talked about.
“Juliana..post dimensions.”
or link to facebook please
““dude i hung out for SIX years in HS on chicago and damen”
Fixed that for you.”
LOL. like a great man said, i keep getting older but the HS girls always stay the same age.
CC doesn’t seem to like the bosch link. Every comment I try to post with it gets rejected.
“ROFLMAO… Once again DZ proves that anon is always taking out of his ass”
You wash all your dishes on the “extra light” cycle?
“38 dB (A) re1pW im Spülprogramm ExtraLeise”
Normal cycle is 41 dB.
Oops, needed to refresh.
“Every so often, some West siders or Westhaven/Henry Horner residents will get the bright idea to do a string of robberies around there.”
Kindly do not profile. Thanks.
“OL. like a great man said, i keep getting older but the HS girls always stay the same age.”
could be best line ever from a movie…
Think best/funniest line ever from a non rap song “Now I’m praying for the end of time”
The Catholic parish for Smith Parkers is Holy Rosary on Western/Ohio. Doesn’t look like much on the outside but the inside has an abundance of murals based on the life of Christ as chronicled in the “mysteries” of the Rosary devotions. It’s one of the “hidden treasures” of the neighborhood, along with the remaining “old school Italian” restaurants on Grand.
Local Lassie –
Would you recommend any of those Italian restaurants on Grand?
I love Italian food.
As far as food/hangouts I’ve tried in the area, I like:
– Old Lviv on Chicago by Oakley
– Star Lounge Coffee on Chicago by Campbell
– Black Dog Gelato on Damen by Iowa
@Milkster –
Salerno’s is our favorite pizza.
Bella Notte is good and a bit fancyish.
Oggi Trattoria on the corner is kind of meh.
“Would you recommend any of those Italian restaurants on Grand?”
Not really responsive to your question, but I do like coalfire, which just to be clear is neither neapolitan nor new york style. Second for star lounge coffee. Hoosier mama should also be in teh food pluses for this general area.
She’s a babe. schwing.
“Juliana..post dimensions.
or link to facebook please”
Grand corridor: Mart Anthony is pretty decent food. II Jacks was the best of them all, now closed, nobody knew it was there, but the food was spectacular, esp. the bone in rib eye, pastas. Milkster: you need to peruse http://www.Lthforum.com, it has all the info you’ll ever need about Chicago food. Holy Rosary now has spanish masses.
So I am looking at a contract. Now this is an English contract in a Spanish speaking country. But is this even a sentence??
“The deposit only becomes nonrefundable on May 10th, 2012 unless the proper due diligence is completed and approved by sellers attorney”
We have a Miele Futura, I do not recall the subtype but it is seriously quiet. You have to stand right in front of it to be able to hear a very soft hum and that’s only during parts of the cycle. Best way to know it is on is the light that is visible if you look at the right angle looking up from the dishwasher towards the underside of the countertop. It fits service for 12, so it has tons of room, and easily accommodates big platters due to the rack design. And yes, we are on a standard lot with living/dining in front and then a combo eat-in kitchen and family room. It doesn’t matter when we run the dishwasher since it’s virtually inaudible. Highly recommend!
“Milkster: you need to peruse http://www.Lthforum.com, it has all the info you’ll ever need about Chicago food.”
Thanks so much for that!
I do sincerely enjoy your personal picks though.
Will try Mart Anthony next trip out.
Dan, it’s a very attractive quality that you enjoy your food!
“If it makes you feel any better though, we’re looking for a SFR on a nice big lot in Old Irving these days.”
I’m leaving the neighborhood just in time now that it’s all going to hell. 😉
with all this talk of uber-quiet dishwashers, I’m wondering if the counter top material does any sound dampening or not. Are all these quiet DWs tucked in under stone counters, or any under good old formica?