Is This Where The Deals Are? A Grand Victorian At 11216 S. Oakley In Morgan Park
We last chattered about this 4-bedroom Victorian at 11216 S. Oakley in Morgan Park a year ago, in September 2011.
See our prior chatter here.
Most of you liked this neighborhood but were concerned about the maintenance on an older home on a large lot.
Since our last chatter, the house has been reduced $50,000.
If you remember, this house is among the older homes in the city.
Built in 1878, it has a massive 100×213 lot (almost half an acre) that includes a gazebo and above ground pool.
The house also has a front porch and a screened side porch.
The kitchen is updated with cherry cabinets, granite and stainless steel appliances.
The full bath has white Italian marble and a rain shower bath.
The listing says that there is updated electric and plumbing.
The house also has an unfinished basement, central air and a 1-car garage.
The home is located just a few blocks from Morgan Park Academy, which is a K-12 private school routinely cited as one of the best private schools in the state.
The house also has a good commuter location, as it is also just a few short blocks to the Morgan Park metra stop for a quick trip downtown.
This is the first time it’s been on the market in 25 years.
Now that it’s priced less than $400,000, is this a deal?
Sandra Bianciotto at Prudential Biros has the listing. See more pictures here.
11216 S. Oakley: 4 bedrooms, 1.5 baths, 2500 square feet, 1 car garage
- Sold in September 1987 (no price given)
- Originally listed in July 2011 for $449,900
- Reduced
- Currently listed at $399,900
- Taxes are now $5944 (they were $5422 in September 2011)
- Central Air
- Above ground pool
- Bedroom #1: 20×14 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 18×14 (second floor)
- Bedroom #3: 15×13 (second floor)
- Bedroom #4: 15×9 (second floor)
I’m fairly certain we parked our car near here when we went to last springs St Pat’s South Side Parade…are you sure this isn’t Beverly? In any event I noticed this house and now, wow, i can afford it.
I’m sticking by my earlier Beverly comments — if you like the community and the amenities work for you, it’s great. Prices are really down in Beverly and Morgan Park, and there are some lovely homes with character and nice big lots. Very peaceful and leafy vibe, but also pretty sleepy. I was just down here two weeks ago, and the drive from the Dan Ryan to Beverly and Morgan Park can be sketchy/unpleasant, and you end up being very dependent on Metra and your car — not taxis or the El. If you can take the Metra to work — great. If you work in the NW suburbs, it would be a nightmare commute.
Morgan Park Academy is expensive — good school, but pricey. I guess if you’re getting a bargain on the house private school tuition doesn’t seem so bad. The public schools aren’t great.
non-irish need not apply
I agree with homedelete. I consider this an “ethnic” neighorhood and I don’t care to live an area where social structures are based around one’s enthicity. My Irish friends told me that in this area, the social interactions are formed around which parish a person belongs.
I grew up a few blocks from here. I agree that cabs/el aren’t options as it’s more of a Evanston/Oak Park kind of existance. That said, homedelete, I think you’re off the mark about non-Irish need not apply. Racist stereotypes reflect poorly on one’s intelligence.
If you live in this area, be prepared to enroll your daughter in costly and expensive Irish Dancing classes.
“I consider this an “ethnic” neighorhood and I don’t care to live an area where social structures are based around one’s enthicity.”
Ov vey!….such racist comments from people. I guess we need not ever consider on CC houses in chinatown, boystown, west rogers park, little village, or most of the southside. I thought Chicagoans prized the diversity of our great city’s neighborhoods. Which is it? We shouldn’t have a boystown or chinatown?
HD & jenny – imo you are exhibiting small minded Danhofer like thinking. Over the past 45 years many people other than Irish have discovered the vibe, housing stock & environment of Beverly Hills/Morgan Park is very conducive to living an affordable, somewhat well located re downtown city life & to raising well rounded worldly children. Are there ‘cliques’ here – no more so than in my neighborhood (your old neighborhood HD). And cliques form here imo because this neighborhood attracts people back who grew up here. Fwiw if your next slur is anti-Catholic there are now a lot of Baptists (as well as other Protestant denominations) living in close proximity to this home today. And in response to Java, as I responded in CC’s last Beverly post, if you disagree with objective reports that the neighborhood has many excellent as well as gifted public school options, there are affordable private school options within walking distance of this home at St Walter and St Cajetan. High schools options are more limited other than Catholic HS’s or Morgan Park Acadamy, but CPS has a nice option 2 miles west on 111th.
“Which is it? We shouldn’t have a boystown or chinatown?”
thats right danhohfer, we need to end chinatown and take all the chopsticks and end boystown and take all the cucumbers.
I would just rather live in an area of middle class professionals who don’t care about their ethnic background and don’t go to church/temple/mosque.
FWIW when I googled to find name of HS on 111th, Chicago Mag’s school rankings (September 2012) popped up – Keller grammar school (3/4 mile west of this home) is ranked # 4 in Chicago & Chicago Agricultural Science HS (2 miles west on 111th) is ranked #15 in Chicago.
From the late 1950s until 1974, the community also included Beth Torah Synagogue.
People need to lay off the Beverly Irish. At least they stuck-it-out in the city and didn’t flee like racists and others who prize self-segregation over diversity. The Beverly Jews left right at the most contentious period of blockbusting, etc. Where did they go? To the black-free areas around Olympia Fields where they started exclusionary golf clubs. Now that HF and Olympia Fields are becoming black, they are fleeing once again from diversity. At least the Beverly Irish stuck it out. Did anyone read John Kass’ column about how Leo HS is still graduating almost 100% of its seniors? That’s thanks to some old-timer Irish who still care and run the school.
i haven’t been to beverly/morgan in about 2 years i think. Once the two cop friends I had over there moved I reallly dont have a reason to visit.
the homes and streets are beautiful. its a very community hood. you will need to drive as the sw burbs is where they did their shopping.
For me the surrounding hoods and the crime creep can make it feel like an island. If i wanted to be in a leafy beautiful architectural area surrounded by bad hoods I would move to oak park. Or i can just stay where i live now.
“The Beverly Jews left right at the most contentious period of blockbusting”
yes and jews occupied the austin neighborhood at one time. its their fault look at austin now
“People need to lay off the Beverly Irish. At least they stuck-it-out in the city”
And they’re *still* mad at Richard J. for making them stick it out. Can’t re-write history that way, Hof.
“Chicago Agricultural Science HS (2 miles west on 111th) is ranked #15 in Chicago.”
#15 out of *maybe* 10 genuinely “acceptable” HS’s in the minds of most Chicagoans who have any ability to choose.
If I were a fireman like I wanted to be, I’d be living here…. I’d even have one of those trashy trampolines in my back yard to be cool
Ever been to “Halfway to St. Patrick’s Day, presented by Miller Lite, on September 7” at Sox Park? That Reinsdorf is pretty clever throwing his most loyal fans a bone!
Southbound — Keller’s hard to get into, as it’s a gifted magnet, no? Vanderpoel’s a magnet, too, I think. Kellogg, Clissold, and Sutherland are supposed to be decent, I freely admit, but not at the very top of the heap.
Maybe my bias is that my Beverly friends don’t *think* the public schools there are good enough, and are worrying about private school options. I have such huge problems with Catholic schools that it’s a huge turn-off.
I’m surprised to see DAn sticking up for the irish. i thought wasp’s looked down on that. yet he somehow manages to bring jews into the discussion. personally, i don’t blame anyone for leaving. hell, the rich english who descended from the conqueror built themselves large estates in the country far far away from the masses. are the blue blooded english to be faulted for self-segregation to the country estates rather than sticking it out in teh cities? Dan makes no sense sometimes,
As an outsider (gay, originally from downstate) I lived in Beverly and think its a wonderful place to live and really, quite a gem in the city as I had black neighbors, Irish neighbors, God Knows What neighbors, and everyone dealt with each other and took care of their places. Their is that odd Irish “clanishness,” thing going on, especially with people who grew up there, but so what, they take pride in their hood. I never felt out of place (though I am Irish and not exactly running around flapping a feathered boa.) Transportation is great to downtown through the metra, lovely tree lined streets, etc Dan Ryan transportation is not “sketchier,” then taking any of the other expressways, and is a quick jump downtown. I live in the burbs now and miss it, everything is no generic out here.
Problem with the hood is that it is indeed an island as their is really nothing to do there for anyone who is not in their 20’s (the bars on Western) or married with kids and hanging out with your neighbors and family. One or two really nice places to eat, no gyms, no bars to go hang which is not an “old man,” bar or a “20’s looking to get drunk and laid bars,” etc.
But I would think most people looking in the areas are married straight people (of whatever ethnic background) with kids so it would be great.
“i thought wasp’s looked down on that”
He’s not a wasp, HD. He *constantly* defends euro-catholics. My money’s on croatian.
Hmmm… my current commute down LSD from the north side vs. the Dan Ryan? The drive from Beverly/MP wins the award for sketchiness and unpleasantness, hands down.
Lutheran. just another name for a German-Catholic!
The southside irish need to hold Beverly. The wimpy-ones who fled to Orland Park are now being subject to Arabs and the new mega-mosque. Too bad the mosque wasn’t built up on 41 near Deerfield Road in HP, that would be hilarious, some rich sheik should buy some land over there and build one, watch the “liberals”and ACLU supporters up there squirm when diversity shows up on their doorstep.
“He’s not a wasp, HD. He *constantly* defends euro-catholics. My money’s on croatian.”
I thought he was non practicing jew?
Ze and jenny are the non-practicing jews. Dan #2 lives in HP and is practicing. annony is married to one, and she wears the pants, and his kids are getting raised as jews. HD has some paternal lineage somewhere in the past. I think that sums it up. Bridgeport and Beverly are always deemed as racist enclaves, while chinatown, little village, boystown, etc. are deemed wonderful diversity. If the Irish get chased out of Beverly, and the area becomes more homogenous to the remainder of the southside, isn’t that a loss to Chicago’s diversity?
Is the subject house the most expensive on the block/in the hood?
The NW corner of MP has similar pricing, but the rest of MP is much cheaper.
“Ze and jenny are the non-practicing jews. Dan #2 lives in HP and is practicing. annony is married to one, and she wears the pants, and his kids are getting raised as jews”
isnt Icarus a Russian jew? and i thought JMM was one and so was chitowngal?
its so tough to keep up on who is what. I dont know how you do it helmethofer, i think i would need to keep a spreadsheet of all this stuff to keep up.
“20?s looking to get drunk and laid bars,” etc.
What are the names of these bars of which you speak? 🙂
Really? and no Groove, i’m a Polish Catholic.
Icarus (September 20, 2012, 2:01 pm)
Is the subject house the most expensive on the block/in the hood?
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“HD has some paternal lineage somewhere in the past. ”
I have some jewish cousins and a few family members that married jewish but none in my direct linage. I have some southern fried WASP mixed in here and there with some slavic and other non-anglo saxon germanic blood mixed in but it was one dude from who lived in a tiny western european country who here emmigrated in the 1800’s gave me my last name.
“My money’s on croatian.”
Awesome, maybe he’ll bring some cevapcici to the cookout. Speaking of which, where did Brad F go? Wasn’t he going to take on groove at bball?
“where did Brad F go? Wasn’t he going to take on groove at bball?”
it was my wife to take him on in tennis. wife backed out, he got to gloat.
“it was my wife to take him on in tennis. wife backed out, he got to gloat.”
Yeah I know, but given his views on the giganticness of your ass and it’s rolling properties once you collapsed on teh court, it seemed like he might take you on at bball instead.
“but given his views on the giganticness of your ass and it’s rolling properties once you collapsed on teh court, it seemed like he might take you on at bball instead”
he copped out on bball and suggested tennis i jumped at that proposal instead.
again its the internet and anything said means nothing. the only thing ever worth reading is westloopelo on a flaming rant.
“20?s looking to get drunk and laid bars,” etc.
“What are the names of these bars of which you speak? :)”
ANY bar where people in their 20s go to. Actually I have to amend that, ANY bar no matter how old the patrons…I went to a restaurant that after a certain time turned into a old person’s pick up joint…ladies 60 plus in leopard skin and flabby arms, men the same age with beer bellies, bad toups and too much cologne!I And the air of desperation permeated the place..it was as if a wicked witch went to a college bar and turned all the healthy kids into horny old people!!!
Grandma’s house……….yuck
I find it a bit disturbing that Helmet knows exactly which people on this board are Jewish. Talk about obsessed.
A mosque couldn’t open in HP because there are no Muslims living here, as far as I know. But I think people here would be more open to it than Helmet gives us credit for. HP is generally a very liberal, open-minded community, contrary to his beliefs. If politics are any indication, Highland Park is reliably blue.
Also, the ACLU is the last organization whose members would block a mosque from opening. They were the ones who thought it was OK for the Nazis to march in Skokie. I think Helmet was one of the marchers.
Beverly and MP have bad ass lots and housing stock.
I’m a N Sider so would never fit in plus I don’t like the ghetto surrounding these hoods. But if your a city employee wanting space its a good option due to price. Its priced much lower than Old Norwood or Wildwood/Edgebroook
“But I think people here would be more open to it than Helmet gives us credit for. HP is generally a very liberal, open-minded community, contrary to his beliefs. If politics are any indication, Highland Park is reliably blue.”
Dream on, your zip code is one of the tops-in-the-nation for support of Zionist apartheid. Reliably blue for the USA, but reliably ultra-red for Israel. To educated and moral people that’s called hypocrisy. Don’t start with me, you’re not intelligent enough to debate successfully.
“A mosque couldn’t open in HP because there are no Muslims living here, as far as I know.”
HP probably is about the last place I’d expect to see a mosque be built. That said, I’d bet there are Muslim families living in HP (I know of one in Wilmette).
“Dream on, your zip code is one of the tops-in-the-nation for support of Zionist apartheid.”
There’s a hint of truth to that, but it’s odd how folks like Helmet Dan suddenly become concerned about equality and human dignity when the subject turns to Israel.
“you’re not intelligent enough to debate successfully.”
It’s hard to debate successfully against someone who makes up crap like the beverly irish *choosing* to stay put, rather than making the best they could of the Chicago residency requirement. And you move the goalposts allthetime.
And ignoring the fact that the hard-core American Zionists are republican donors, voters and operatives, *not* dems.
Once again, idiots like Helmet succumb to the “Israel is apartheid” craziness.
1. Israel was formed when millions of people were slaughtered and refused refuge in almost any other country, so they sought safety in a homeland for their people. Yes, it is a “Jewish state” and founded for that purpose, but it grants citizenship, freedoms and rights to the Christians, Muslims, Druze and others within its borders, including seats in its parliament, etc., etc.
2. Compare Israel to almost any other Arab country. It is one of the few places in the entire region that has freedom of press, full democracy, a fair judiciary, respect for women, gays, etc. (not that Helmet would care about that).
3. Israel has welcomed almost all refugees–black, white, african, etc.seeking freedom (but not those seeking to destroy it)
4. The whole “Israel is Racist” campaign was started by people/countries that regularly murder people that disagree with the ruling regime & which give few rights to minorities or people of different religions.
I could go on & on, but last I checked, we were supposed to be discussing real estate!!
again how is danhofer still able to post here?
i mean i would actually vouch for him to stay if he can creatively segue(sp?) to his racist agenda.
come on you cant just go from a nice vintage home to a jewsih guy diddled me when i was young now i shall post my hate wordings.
there really needs to be a smooth transition or a crazy creative way to go from one to the other.
and seriously one 3 thumbs up for my cucumber reference?
“What are the names of these bars of which you speak? ”
Jeez milkster I should give you a grand tour of my neighborhood… good for a laugh or twenty
Milkster (September 20, 2012, 2:51 pm)
“20?s looking to get drunk and laid bars,” etc.
What are the names of these bars of which you speak?
South Side Irish Parade with those bars on Western (Cork and Kerry etc.) used to be prime pickens. Haven’t been down there in 10 years or so.
Great post, JAH. You took the words out of my mouth.
I’ll only add one thing. Why is it that the human rights crusaders (not that Helmet is one) are so quick to condemn any transgression against Arabs by Israel, however minor (and usually in response to terrorist violence against Israel), but generally ignore the way minorities are treated by governments in the rest of the Middle East? Why not call out the plight of the Coptic Christians in Egypt, the Shiites in Iraq, the Sunnis in Iran or the Kurds practically anywhere in the region? All have it much worse than Arabs in Israel, who are full citizens with voting rights (one even serves on Israel’s Supreme Court).
Yet Israel regularly gets singled out. I can only think anti-semitism is at the root.
“It’s hard to debate successfully against someone who makes up crap like the beverly irish *choosing* to stay put, rather than making the best they could of the Chicago residency requirement. And you move the goalposts allthetime.”
I’m an Irish Beverly native, I’m a MBA/CPA and I have no residency requirement and moved back here. Most of my neighbors are professionals without a residency requirement, and the majority of my block is not Irish.
But please keep on sharing your research from behind your Ipad, guy.
“Zionist apartheid”
Oh for the love of god. . . . (irony intended)
“again how is danhofer still able to post here?”
This ^^^^
Seriously.
“I find it a bit disturbing that Helmet knows exactly which people on this board are Jewish.”
I picture him as Henry Gibson.
“Israel has welcomed almost all refugees–black, white, african, etc.seeking freedom”
“Great post, JAH. You took the words out of my mouth.”
LOL!! Oh yeah, who are you bs’ing?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/11/israel-african-migrants-deportation_n_1586998.html
“It’s hard to debate successfully against someone who makes up crap like the beverly irish *choosing* to stay put, rather than making the best they could of the Chicago residency requirement.”
Who says you’re right? Not everyone who stays in Beverly is *required* to. Plenty choose Frankfort, some chose Orland, and some freely choose Beverly. Mt. Greenwood is the locale of the *requirement* folks.
“There’s a hint of truth to that”
There’s more than a hint, it’s bona fide fact.
“ignoring the fact that the hard-core American Zionists are republican donors, voters and operatives, *not* dems.”
Well, I guess that proves that Dan #2 is wrong once again, and that HP isn’t all touch-feely blue like he alleges. LOL. Mark Kirk/neocon/RINO HP is red and ultra-red.
Dan: the campaign signs in 2008 all over the north shore said “we vote the person, not the party” and plenty of voters choose obama and kirk on the same ballot you have these pre-concieved notions of how you think things are, but they aren’t always that way. there might be a hint of truth but you blow it out of propotion. you’re one weird dude man, spend all yoru time bithcing about jews on a real estate message board. .
“Who says you’re right?”
I’m just saying you’re wrong.