Live in the Heart of the West Loop in a Boutique Building: 1016 W. Madison
This 2-bedroom at 1016 W. Madison in the West Loop came on the market in February 2020.
Built in 1925, this 8 unit building has just 2 units per floor and garage parking.
If this building looks familiar, that’s because we chattered about it and this same unit, in 2016 when the market in the West Loop was super hot.
Many of you complained about the quality of the listing pictures the last time (this DOES matter).
You can see the 2016 chatter here.
It has 14-foot ceilings but is never called a loft even though there is exposed ductwork that is painted white.
It has a large 12×9 entry foyer, wainscoting and crown moldings.
The listing says there were new windows in 2015.
It has separate living and dining areas.
The kitchen has custom modern white, and red, cabinets and lighting, quartz counter tops, a double oven and stainless steel appliances.
The listing calls the baths “whimsical.”
Both bedrooms have windows.
There doesn’t appear to be outdoor space with this unit.
It has the features that buyers look for including central air, side-by-side washer/dryer in the unit and garage parking is included.
Originally listed in February 2020 at $710,000, it has been reduced $11,000 to $699,000.
This is just $4,000 over the 2016 sales price of $695,000.
Is the West Loop price appreciation mostly over?
Robin Phelps at @Properties has the listing. See the pictures here.
Unit #2S: 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, 1850 square feet
- Sold in August 1998 for $270,000
- Sold in June 2014 for $560,000
- Sold in October 2016 for $695,000
- Originally listed in February 2020 for $710,000
- Reduced
- Currently listed at $699,000 (includes garage parking)
- Assessments are still $493 a month, the same as in 2016 (includes scavenger and snow removal)
- Taxes are now $12,993 (they were $7177 in 2016)
- Central Air
- Washer/Dryer in the unit
- Bedroom #1: 15×12
- Bedroom #2: 17×10
- Living room: 26×14
- Dining room: 17×12
- Kitchen: 13×10
- Laundry room: 6×7
- Foyer: 12×9
hawt market!!!
These folks have…unique design taste.
Riz, I’m curious to hear what you think about Chicago’s preparedness for Covid-19. Today’s WSJ reports:
“America’s hospitals are ill-prepared for a widespread outbreak, lacking enough space and critical equipment like ventilators to handle a flood of contagious and seriously ill patients, say hospital and infectious-diseases researchers.
“The number of hospital beds—and hospitals—has contracted in recent decades, dropping 16% and 12%, respectively, between 1975 and 2018….
“U.S. hospital beds per American have declined in the past two decades to a ratio of 2.8 beds for every 1,000 people as of 2016. That ranks among the lowest across comparable countries…. The average [in] Japan, Germany and Australia, is 5.4 beds per 1,000 people.
“In a widespread outbreak of Covid-19, the respiratory disease caused by the new coronavirus, not all patients would need to be hospitalized. The vast majority could recover at home, the experience of China and other nations suggest, as most patients have moderate symptoms, or none at all. But about one in five with Covid-19 become more gravely ill, according to [the WHO].
“The most severe cases suffer organ failure. One estimate by an infectious-disease specialist with the University of Nebraska Medical Center projected 96 million infections in the U.S., with 5% needing hospitalization, or 4.8 million people. Globally, estimates for the death rate from the virus have varied, from as high as 5.8% to less than 1%.
“The new viral strain … has sped across borders and strained or overwhelmed hospitals from Wuhan, China, where it emerged, to Italy and South Korea. … Soaring demand for medical supplies has left doctors and hospitals globally grappling with shortages.
“If the U.S. experienced an epidemic similar to that in Wuhan, which has had more than 49,900 confirmed cases, the patient need for intensive-care unit beds might be triple the number of unoccupied ICU beds typically available here, according to an analysis by Marc Lipsitch, a professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health;
“An experience like what happened in Wuhan would be devastating to our health-care system,” said Eric Toner, a senior scholar with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “We have nowhere near the capacity to handle that.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-hospitals-face-major-challenges-as-coronavirus-spreads-11584056336
My question:
What’s the likelihood of an outbreak as big as Wuhan’s occuring in the US or (god forbid) in Chicago? Thanks in advance for your reply.
wojo,
Thanks for asking.
It’s a tough question to answer, and the answers so far have been controversial. I actually had to put a chest tube into a patient with suspected COVID a week ago, which was a nightmare. (Tested, self isolation, etc )
“Likelihood” depends.
If the US had done nothing to prevent spread, we would probably see about 50-100 million cases. Most would range from asymptomatic to moderately symptomatic, not needing treatment. Around 1-2 million would be *really* sick and need a hospital or vent, the majority being older patients with comorbidities.
We were late to respond to this. Not getting political, but our current government really hurt us by downplaying this as being less harmful than the flu – which is absolute BS.
Where we currently stand, there are likely thousands of people with coronavirus throughout the country..and that number will multiply week after week, as the asymptomatic continue to infect others.
The problem is – we have around 1 million hospital beds in the entire country. 70% are occupied. So we have maybe 300k. A small amount of those are equipped to handle ICU level care.
That’s not good – but what’s worse is we only have around 65 thousand ventilators in the entire country. Meaning people who go into respiratory failure will be really screwed once we reach capacity, as we literally will not have a vent to put them on.
In terms of an ‘outbreak’ like Wuhan – inevitable. More than half the US population will get this virus, easily.
If we’re being optimistic, and everyone stops f’ng around ( stop traveling, cancel conferences, work from home if possible, aggressive sanitization practice ), then maybe we can control the spread – like South Korea did.
The reality is if this goes full on endemic or epidemic (i.e., if millions of people get infected ), a lot of older people are going to die.
tips from me:
Wash your hands every hour.
Sanitize your home every day.
Change clothes as soon as you get home.
Limit going to busy public places as much as possible.
Don’t travel.
If you feel sick, isolate yourself until you are tested.
And for those of us with little ones at home – don’t worry, the virus seems to not really infect kids under 10. Few isolated cases, but this is mostly a disease of the middle aged and older.
“In terms of an ‘outbreak’ like Wuhan – inevitable. More than half the US population will get this virus, easily. ”
I understand that you are on the front lines and you had to self-isolate, but a Wuhan-like outbreak is not ‘inevitable’. There is a less than 1% chance that half the country, 165,000,000 people in the United States, will catch the Wuhan virus.
Even China has only 80,000 cases, and Hubei provide has nearly 60,000,000 people squeezed into an area the size of Nebraska. Yes, they took aggressive measures, but most of them were for nothing (the spraying the streets, the spraying people, etc). New cases have dropped significantly and all of those stadium hospitals have been emptied out. Even Iran, which has some crazy videos coming out too, the consensus is that they are starting to turn a corner and get it under control. My prediction is that in 5 months, this will all be behind us, and we’ll all be like “WOW glad that’s over”.
HD,
We haven’t been nearly as aggressive as china in getting this under control. Everyone here is all over it now, but just in the past few days.
That’s why I said, if we did nothing, it would probably be around 50-100 million cases, with most people being asymptomatic to moderately ill.
Regardless of that, there are probably thousands of people out there right now, infecting more people, and this will multiply week after week.
A ‘wuhan’ like situation, with tens of thousands of people infected, is inevitable. our mortality will likely be much less though.
And sorry, at some point, most people will get infected with a strain of COVID. Most won’t be symptomatic. Some will feel slightly or moderately sick. Some will die.
If you don’t believe me, ask leaders of the CDC, WHO, or just about any other national science organization looking into this.
I have no personal interest/investment in this. I’m in my mid 30’s and healthy. If somehow this virus magically infects nobody and doesn’t increase mortality, great. Just don’t think that is likely.
“There is a less than 1% chance that half the country, 165,000,000 people in the United States, will catch the Wuhan virus.”
So, you’re an epidemiologist now? When did you have time??
Seriously, cite, please.
“So, you’re an epidemiologist now? When did you have time??”
It’s common sense. Hubei province with 60,000,000 people in the size of Nebraska has a total of 80,000 cases and fewer and fewer cases every day. And China’s response, was incompetent, and that is being generous. Welding people into their apartment buildings, covering it up for two months and punishing the doctors who reported it, spraying chemicals into the street, and so on. Despite this clusterF, Riz says there will be 165,000,000 cases, even though China, in the worst case scenario, is 80,000 people. Even if you say OK China is lying, it’s 10x that, it’s still only 800,000 people. Riz says 165,000,000.
I think at best, US gets a few hundred thousand, with a 2-3% death rate, higher or lower depending on the locale. Northwestern Hospital will have close to 100% survival rate. St. Bernards? not as good. Good luck Chicago, you’re all stuck at home for the next to weeks. i’m going to rural minnesota for the next few weeks. Gonna hang out, early season fishing, some small game hunting, live off the land, canned goods for the rest.
“It’s common sense.”
You sound like the doofus whose “natural ability” has turned this into a panic.
May as well just claim it is a “Democrat Party hoax”.
“May as well just claim it is a “Democrat Party hoax”.”
You just lost the argument. I point out facts, compare the known facts in China to the current situation we have here, and your response is…..Trump Derangement Syndrome?
See you in two weeks! Everyone be safe, don’t infect your elderly or sick neighbors and co-workers.
“I point out facts”
You make up “data”, refuse to provide sources, and give your opinion. Which is worth what we paid for it. Which, fortunately, is less than any cable subscriber pays every month for Hannity’s opinions.
Fact:
The attending physician to Congress expects 70 to 150 million will be infected.
He’s also a Rear Admiral.
https://www.axios.com/congressional-physician-predicts-75-150-million-us-coronavirus-cases-fec69e77-1515-4fbc-8340-c53b65c22c53.html
But HD knows better. Of course.
“….I think at best, US gets a few hundred thousand, with a 2-3% death rate, higher or lower depending on the locale. Northwestern Hospital will have close to 100% survival rate. St. Bernards? not as good. Good luck Chicago, you’re all stuck at home for the next to weeks. i’m going to rural minnesota for the next few weeks…..”
I’m sick of reading this troll’s bs & lies.
A known fact is that Italy has experienced approx 1266 deaths (includes 250 deaths in one day – yesterday) out of 17,6600 confirmed cases (increased by approx. 2500 in one day – yesterday – that’s a 17% increase) That’s a known fact of a 7.16% death rate. Italy has a population of 60 mil or 20% the population of US
“Riz says there will be 165,000,000 cases, even though China, in the worst case scenario, is 80,000 people. Even if you say OK China is lying, it’s 10x that, it’s still only 800,000 people. Riz says 165,000,000.”
HD,
Why are you lying? Show me where I said that. Please.
I never said any of that. I said if nothing was done, current models predict something between 50-100 million, with maybe 1-2 million being seriously sick. But plenty is being done, so we anticipate far less than that.
If we hadn’t raised public awareness about hand washing and sanitization practices aka ‘freaked the public out’, cancelled major conferences and meetings, etc, this thing would spread very , very fast.
The goal is to limit contagion. That is done by avoiding large groups / isolation, and copious personal sanitization practice.
The reason this is a problem is not because millions of people are going to be falling over dead all of a sudden. It’s because potentially, a few hundred thousand to a million or two are going to get *really* sick – and will need ICU beds an vents, which WE DONT HAVE.
That’s my point. This virus won’t matter for most of us at all, and will certainly be a mild nuisance at most.
But downplaying isn’t helping anyone. The real issues are going to arise as a consequence of our hospitals and clinics being overwhelmed. People will die, that is a reality.
HD – you’re certainly entitled to your opinion but please don’t present falsehoods as facts, that’s doing a disservice to your fellow citizen. People need to take this seriously. Also, try to not misquote me, it’s really f’ng annoying.
HD,
Just realized your 165 million number was based on my statement that half or more of Americans will eventually get coronavirus. That number was not meant to reference just this particular season or outbreak, but that eventually, the virus will infect half or more of Americans (next flu season included).
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-150-million-americans-may-get-infected-2020-3
Here’s a great article summarizing where most of the medical community stands about this.
I hope it’s all hype, but I wouldn’t treat it like it was.
“I point out facts, compare the known facts in China to the current situation we have here, ”
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As you said yourself, in Wuhan, the government welded doors shut. We are not, and will not do that. Therefore, the death rate, and death numbers, in the US will have to be higher than in Wuhan.
If you are going to use facts, for the love of God, use them in a competent manner.
Yes, every expert says that between 23 Million and 160 million will get the virus. This is true. Why do you not question these absurd figures when the evidence from other countries completely contradict these figures?
But there’s been only 80,000 confirmed cases in China, total. And China confirmed that yesterday, only….wait for it….wait for it…
8 new cases were reported, 3 were imported. And this is after China handled the most incompetently of all countries (well, maybe other than Italy); South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong have very low death rates, its getting contained there. Even in South Korea, with all the massive testing, very few people tested actually had the virus, most had other respiratory issues.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/902004/china-reported-only-8-new-coronavirus-cases-friday-3-imported
That’s not to downplay the seriousness of this, no one wants our hospitals overwhelmed with patients, I completely 100% understand and agree with the shut down. I’m not the one spreading fear and misinformation.
Riz, thank you so much for taking the time to provide detailed, factual, practical, and calming responses in spite of those who choose to contradict or contest what you say.
All of us, I am certain, understand that your profession are undergoing a severely stressful, trying time, and are preparing yourselves mentally, physically, and emotionally for the inevitable life-and-death decisions you’ll be forced to make in the coming weeks.
Thank you for your service to our community and our country.
I don’t think it’s fear or misinformation.
It’s basically saying “Hey likely worst case, around half of us are going to get the virus. Most of you will be just fine and barely have symptoms. For that 10-15% of you that get really really sick, a small percentage of you may need to be put on a vent. Right now we only have 70 thousand vents…soo If more than 70k get really sick, we are in trouble”
Also the experts are quoting these numbers because they are considering the large number of people that are carriers and are asymptomatic or Mildly so, and will never get tested, so the count won’t be real.
Again, the real issue is overhwelming our ICU beds and healthcare system. Any loss of life because we can’t provide every sick person care is a tragedy, be it a few thousand or a few million.
Why would NW have better survival rate compard to let’s say Amita health? There is no effective treatment. Only vent and/or ECMO when you become critically ill, and if you’re lucky you’ll start oxygenation on your own after 3-4 weeks. These patients need a negative pressure room, so actual # of beds available in US are much less. If they are placed in a normal ICU room, doctors and nurses will get infected.
“Again, the real issue is overhwelming our ICU beds and healthcare system. Any loss of life because we can’t provide every sick person care is a tragedy, be it a few thousand or a few million.”
Yes, as shown from cases around the world, the ICUs get filled up with old people pretty quickly, all at once, and the hospitals get overwhelmed. On the other hand, when former Obama administration officials are citing figures like 165,000,000 people, half the US population, you know that’s just partisan nonsense and fearmongering. Computer models are garbage.
“Why would NW have better survival rate compared to let’s say Amita health?”
For the same reason some hospitals have higher quality of care than others. Some hospitals are just better than others in everything and its logical that some hospitals will have better luck treating covid-19 than others that will be understaffed, overwhelmed, and no on will have any insurance, maybe medicaid, to pay for any of it.
When there is no effective treatment, the quality of care doesn’t really matter. What matters in the present situation is how long you can keep the pt on a ventilator and ECMO support. On average, you need 2-3 weeks before the pt can start to breathe on their own. I’ve seen many pts taken off from ventilators only after a few days for other health issues because families cant afford it. Will it be different for COVID19? We will see. The survival rate for critically ill pts in US may be close to zero. All medical expense for COVID19 should be covered by the government like in other countries. People are still being charged for even getting the PCR test or being denied.
Riz, thanks for your info above.
The Fed cut rates to zero prior to the open but stock index futures have gone limit down.
The Fed is almost out of toilet paper.
“But there’s been only 80,000 confirmed cases in China, total. And China confirmed that yesterday, only….wait for it….wait for it…”
Because they lied about the number of cases?
China’s maximum number of deaths in one day never exceeded 200. Even at the worst of it. Yet, Italy has already exceeded that number several days, and was over 300 yesterday.
And Wuhan’s hospitals are far inferior to Italy’s.
And if China is so sure it’s “over” why is their economy still mostly on lockdown? Why hasn’t Disney reopened Shanghai and Hong Kong? (No- Shanghai hasn’t “reopened” despite the announcement. It opened a few restaurants and that’s it.)
China did severe quarantines. There is footage of them literally welding people inside their apartment buildings!
The “west” just won’t go to those extremes, although I did see an article that Australia was going to fine anyone violating the quarantine/lockdown.
The bigger question is: what’s going on in Iran?
I haven’t seen any good western articles about what is happening there in over a week.
Ominous.
“Good luck Chicago, you’re all stuck at home for the next to weeks. i’m going to rural minnesota for the next few weeks.”
Good luck HD. I don’t think I’d want to get the virus in a rural area with those small hospitals. And it’s already spreading out of the cities, including to downstate Illinois.
Stay safe.
Yeah, it would really suck having to let those hacks at Mayo provide medical care.
And yes they’re are Mayo Facilities outside of Rochester.
“Mayo Facilities outside of Rochester”
You think HD is going fishing and hunting in the southern 5 tiers of MN counties (ie, basically south of the MN river)?
4 Mayo campuses, 2 in AZ and one in FL. You’d have a better point is he’d said he was going to the Grand Canyon.
You’d have a better point if you knew they actually have facilities in MN (and Wi) outside of the main campus in Rochester.
I don’t see HD as a northern MN type. They hate 312’ers more than 612’ers. Maybe Brainard/Gull Lk as the areas pretty gentrified. Winona’s is nice, meets the criteria (Hunt & Fish) and its only 4+ hrs from Chicago.
Sabrina, follow this guy on twitter for regular updates on Iran. He’s an Iranian doctor in the west translating posts from Iran.
https://twitter.com/aliostad
As for China, we all know they’re lying, but even if you think they’re lying by a factor of 10, that’s only 800,000 infections out of a population of a billion plus. I hate to say “It’s just the flu” but it sure is looking like it.
The local municipalities could set up some heated tents, transform some empty warehouses into field hospitals, and treat those that get sick. Instead of, you know, preparing like this, JB is instead virtue signaling his ‘seriousness’ to the twitter crowd by being first gov. to shut down the entire state. That’s what he calls preparing. JB is a weakling too, he admitted that a whitehouse staffer call him up and berated him for his childish tweets. And like the loser he is, he just took it and cowered in a corner like a little baby.
“I got a call at about 11:00 last night after that tweet from a White House staffer who yelled at me about the tweet. That is what I got,” Pritzker said.”
The dude lets 20 year old white house staffers push him around. T
Unfortunately the economy of the state is collapsing before our every eyes. Thanks JB, Indiana, WI, TN, IA and KY will be eating our lunch. But billionaires like him don’t care because it doesn’t affect them at all, all that matters to him is the number of likes and retweets he gets from his official Twitter account.
I might be cancelling plans to go up North given that the entire state shut down. I might need to be around to handle emergencies, as I expect things to start getting really crazy.
““I got a call at about 11:00 last night after that tweet from a White House staffer who yelled at me about the tweet. That is what I got,” Pritzker said.”
The dude lets 20 year old white house staffers push him around.”
Are you talking about his meet the press interview? Hardly seemed like he was cowering or being pushed around – just making light of how stupid it was that the White House was having people yell at him when he was pointing out the federal governments error by stuffing hundreds of people returning from Europe in a small space at the airport, and not increasing much needed customs staffing.
Not a huge fan of the guy either, but hardly think a dude who could literally buy the White House is scared of a staffer.
“if you knew they actually have facilities in MN … outside of the main campus in Rochester”
Are any of them in the 6th (or higher ordinal) county north of Iowa?
Did you not wonder why I specified 5 tiers of counties?
“Not a huge fan of the guy either, but hardly think a dude who could literally buy the White House is scared of a staffer.”
Scared? No. But the white house put JB in his proper place. He personally took a phone call from a 20-something year old staffer. That staffer put that wimpy billionaire back in his proper place. And then his response is to go whine to the media “Trump’s staff was mean to me.”
Really, quality leadership, makes me feel so much better that he’s in charge. I liked last Friday when Trump had the executives of Target, Quest, LabCorp, Cigna, medical equipment makers, and so on all step up to the podium and assure us that they are behind america to solve this crisis. Fauci seems to know exactly what he is doing and he supports the federal government’s response. WE trust this guy.
Look at the losers at JB’s press conferences. I fully expect the Jimmy John’s hipster to show up on his bike and deliver JB a couple of sammiches during the press conference. All those people are getting pensions with cash present values in the millions. And they stand around like “let’s close the parks, yeah, let’s keep paying union wages, lets raise some more taxes. That will reduce our 93 cases of Wuhan Virus.”
Our state is doomed.
I could mention the Mayo sports med in Downtown Mpls. But that would be picking the flyshit out of pepper
“the Mayo sports med in Downtown Mpls”
How many rows of counties between Hennepin and Iowa? Which makes Hennepin in the what-th tier?
6th
“That staffer put that wimpy billionaire back in his proper place.”
Did you read the excerpts from the call with the governors today?
The Federal government has NO clue. None. Nada. Trump offered no help to the governors.
We are on our own.
And yeah, if a pandemic was going on and there were thousands of people exposing each other at airports, I, a White House staffer, would take great pride in calling up one of the governors and “putting him his place” instead of, you know, actually solving the problem.
Where is the competence?
There is absolutely none.
“Sabrina, follow this guy on twitter for regular updates on Iran. He’s an Iranian doctor in the west translating posts from Iran.”
Yesterday, they announced 159 new deaths. This was their biggest one day total after really low numbers for weeks.
Have they decided since it’s really bad in Italy, France and Spain they can now put out larger numbers because no one will really know that they are now the biggest outbreak in the world?
It’s really dark times in Iran right now. Those poor people.
“Yeah, it would really suck having to let those hacks at Mayo provide medical care.”
How’d the mayo clinic get into it when he’s going to a rural area?
I could be going to rural Illinois and that doesn’t mean I’d somehow end up at the good Champaign hospital.
As a physician, I have cancelled ALL elective procedures, imaging, clinic visits, etc, in line with the rest of my colleagues. Hospitals i’m on staff at are mostly not allowing any visitors.
I still have to maintain my ‘on call’ responsibilities but i’m largely taking the next few weeks to stay at home with my family and avoid others.
Is this extreme? Maybe. I think not. I’ll probably lose nearly 100k in billing as a result.
What’s crazy is I still have colleagues performing routine surgeries / procedures that could easily wait months to be done. Blows my mind the risks people take for money.
“What’s crazy is I still have colleagues performing routine surgeries / procedures that could easily wait months to be done. Blows my mind the risks people take for money.”
I thought a lot of hospitals were canceling all elective procedures in order to have hospital beds free etc.?
Are they doing them at outpatient surgical centers?
I have many, many friends working at hospitals and outpatient centers still doing cosmetic procedures, vein ablations, minor pain procedures, non urgent biopsies, etc.
“How’d the mayo clinic get into it when he’s going to a rural area?“
Mayo’s main campus is in Rochester, not exactly a metropolis.
Mayo has a number of satellite facilities across Southern Mn in rural locations
You making an informed comment about the quality of medical care in Rural MN
Sabrina, I admire you for taking on the right wingers, but it’s useless. They’re part of the Trump cult and see no problem with a president who at times like these is more interested in “putting people in their place” than in solving the problem. That’a what they like about him. Competence isn’t necessary or even desired. It’s all about putting “libs” in their place and blaming them (and China) for a major catastrophe so it won’t interfere with Republicans getting re-elected.
Liberal tears are going to be integral to the Wuhan flu cure
“6th”
Um, what? Hennepin, Dakota, Rice, Steele, Freeborn, Iowa. That makes Hennepin the 5th tier.
Or: Hennepin, Scott, Waseca, Steele, Freeborn, Iowa. That also makes Hennepin the 5th tier.
Counting is hard!
(yes, you could go thru Carver and New Ulm, and get 6 before Iowa, without being crazy, but that’s like saying there are 4 counties between Cook and Wisconsin, bc of the route of 90)
“I, a White House staffer, would …”
be very concerned about whether or not you’ll actually receive your diploma in May or not.
Follow the Mississippi
“Is the West Loop price appreciation mostly over?”
It is the Millennials who are overpaying and overleveraging to live in the West Loop (with literally no green space except for that park on Adams and maybe skinner) who will lead the exodus back to the suburbs and begin “a trend” where city-living is no longer the coolest thing to do.
Things are always cyclical, so expect the Millennials to embrace some nouveau-Dick Van Dyke show midcentury lifestyle with their kids not being raised in the city.
“Follow the Mississippi”
WTF? WHY??? And even if we do, that would make Hennepin 7th, not 6th.
Why not 169 to 60? Make it 9th?
Not sure where you get 7, considering Dakota & Hennepin border one another (No need to count Ramsey)
“Not sure where you get 7, considering Dakota & Hennepin border one another (No need to count Ramsey)”
Oh, so follow *part of* the Mississippi.
That makes even less sense.
Are you getting the Mississippi & St Croix confused? Hint – The Mississippi hooks West in Dakota Co. The Croix becomes the border North of Hastings.
“Are you getting the Mississippi & St Croix confused?”
Are you really that stupid?
What the fuck is the name of the river below the river centre in St Paul? That runs north of (and occasionally across) the downtown airport? Which airport is south of that river and also in Ramsey County.
Say the River’s name, Johnny. Say. It.
Mississippi.
Interesting how the right wingers here keep calling this the “Wuhan flu,” which is akin to Trump calling it the “China” flu and similar language on Fox News.
Follow the leaders, I guess. Try not to think for yourselves too much, please. That would distract from the goal of blaming everything on foreigners so you can feel better about yourselves.
Which reminds me of past epidemics in this country that similar nativists blamed on Jews, Irish, Catholics, Italians, Mexicans, etc.
Same group of haters, just a different generation.
As LBJ once said, “If you tell the lowest white man that he’s better than that black man over there, you’ll have him in your pocket.”
Trump isn’t LBJ’s intellectual equal, but he obviously understands that particular philosophy.
“Are you really that stupid?
What the fuck is the name of the river below the river centre in St Paul? That runs north of (and occasionally across) the downtown airport? Which airport is south of that river and also in Ramsey County.
Say the River’s name, Johnny. Say. It.
Mississippi.”
Wasnt sure how you got to 7 counties and thought maybe you were confused.
The River Center is so pedestrian, something like CHS field, old Schmidt brewery or anything along West 7th would have been a cooler name drop.
Assuming you mean Holman as the Downtown St. Paul airport (that’s what locals call it Vs the Google), if so Mississippi.
Without the google, don’t know the name of the airport in SSP/IGH, but the river to the East of it is the Mississippi
“thought maybe you were confused.”
You’re the confused one, clearly. “I can get to the number I have in my head by following a weird route” Yep, no doubt–“follow the Mississippi, except where it crosses through a county I forget it crosses through”–makes perfect sense.
Or you can just admit to an error. Not that that is a very popular course around here–double down or move the goalposts is the norm.
Dan-Deuce–
I hear you, but the virus is zoonotic, and appears to have crossed over from a species of Asian bat via a pangolin, and then to humans. In Wuhan. Identifying it as such is a helluva lot more accurate than calling the 1918-1919 influenza epidemic “Spanish”.
The bigger issue is calling it “flu”, which is decidedly inaccurate.
I’m not denying that, anon. Only saying there’s no need to label it by geography (unless you’re a scientist truly interested in investigating the origins).,
Also if it originated in Texas, I’m pretty sure the president wouldn’t be calling it “Texas flu.” It’s all about making partisan politics out of a tragedy. He knows this name-calling is a dog whistle to “his people.”
Might want hit the google a bit harder. You don’t have to cross into Ramsey from Dakota to hit Hennepin
It’s ok to be wrong Mr Kettle
MN is north of Armitage, so obviously its all Bucktown.
“It is the Millennials who are overpaying and overleveraging to live in the West Loop”
Millennials are crushing it. Who knew?
They can’t even built enough $1.6 million condos in the West Loop. They are selling them almost immediately.
Oh- and the Millennials aren’t having kids HH. They are marrying at the latest in US history and having the fewest number of children in history.
“You don’t have to cross into Ramsey from Dakota to hit Hennepin”
You said to “Follow the Mississippi”, so I am. If you float down the river, when you leave Hennepin, you go into Ramsey first, then Dakota and then on through the rest.
If you are driving instead, and you’re “following the Mississippi”, you follow the damn “Great River Road” signs (which is basically the only reason to go to the NE corner of Iowa), and then you get to add Washington County to that stupid route.
If by “follow the Mississippi” you meant “drive out of the way to the middle of fucking nowhere just so JohnnyU can have some stupid yucks”, you win: You’ve proven yourself to be even more of a pedantic douchebag on tehCC than me, which I had thought unpossible.
“MN is north of Armitage, so obviously its all Bucktown.”
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That’s the spirit!
“there’s no need to label it by geography”
Taking suggestions for renaming:
French Fries
Spanish Rice
Russian Roulette
India Pale Ale
Canadian Bacon
Danish (pastry)
Pilsner
Persian Rugs
various Brazilian cosmetic procedures
Neapolitan ice cream
Caprese Salad
Genoa Salami
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Wu-Tang flu ain’t nothin to fuck with
“You said to “Follow the Mississippi”, so I am. If you float down the river, when you leave Hennepin, you go into Ramsey first, then Dakota and then on through the rest.
If you are driving instead, and you’re “following the Mississippi”, you follow the damn “Great River Road” signs (which is basically the only reason to go to the NE corner of Iowa), and then you get to add Washington County to that stupid route.
If by “follow the Mississippi” you meant “drive out of the way to the middle of fucking nowhere just so JohnnyU can have some stupid yucks”, you win: You’ve proven yourself to be even more of a pedantic douchebag on tehCC than me, which I had thought unpossible.”
Trust me when I say no one could ever be a bigger pedantic douchebag than you
“I hear you, but the virus is zoonotic, and appears to have crossed over from a species of Asian bat via a pangolin, and then to humans. In Wuhan. Identifying it as such is a helluva lot more accurate than calling the 1918-1919 influenza epidemic “Spanish”.
The bigger issue is calling it “flu”, which is decidedly inaccurate.”
It most certainly is the Wuhan flu. Their complete incompetence is why this has spread throughout the world. Despite their incompetence, only 80,000 even caught the virus in Wuhan…
As for the flu, you’re right, coronaviruses are really just the cold. A severe one for sure, one that is pretty bad for old people with bad lungs or hearts.
We should take this seriously, I have consistently said that. But the total hysterical overreaction is worse than the cure. It’s like everyone is getting the side effects of the coronavirus
“coronaviruses are really just the cold.”
So SARS (9.5% fatality rate) was ‘just a cold’? MERS (34.4% fatality rate)?
Homedelete,
Sad, just sad. All I can say. Wake up. Get out of Trump’s cult.