Looking for New Construction in Hot Logan Square? A 4-Bedroom at 2116 N. California
This 4-bedroom duplex down at 2116 N. California in Logan Square came on the market in September 2020.
This building was constructed this year, in 2020, and has 8 units and a parking garage.
Several of them are already under contract but this 4-bedroom is still available.
It has white oak hardwood floors throughout the unit.
The kitchen has custom-made grey cabinets, custom quartz counter tops with a waterfall finish and a quartz backsplash along with a breakfast bar and a beverage center.
It has Bosch appliances.
3 bedrooms are on the main floor with the fourth in the duplex down.
The listing says the primary suite has a spa-like bath with steam shower and heated tile floors, body sprays and double vanity along with 2 walk-in-closets.
The unit has central air, a Whirlpool washer/dryer in the unit and 1-car garage parking.
It also has outdoor space in the form of an 8×20 balcony off the front of the unit.
This building is near the shops and restaurants of Logan Square and Bucktown as well as just a block and a half from the California blue line stop.
Originally listed at $745,000, it has been reduced $20,000 to $725,000.
Is this property a townhouse or single family home alternative in this neighborhood?
Lukas Pluta at Wilmot Realty has the listing. See the pictures and floor plan here.
Unit #2: 4 bedrooms, 2.5 baths, 2400 square feet, duplex down
- New construction
- Originally listed in September 2020 for $745,000
- Reduced
- Currently listed at $725,000
- Assessments of $204 a month (includes exterior maintenance, lawn care, scavenger, snow removal)
- Taxes are “new”
- 1 car garage included
- Central Air
- Washer/dryer in the unit
- Bedroom #1: 16×12 (main floor)
- Bedroom #2: 14×10 (main floor)
- Bedroom #3: 14×10 (main floor)
- Bedroom #4: 12×10 (lower level)
- Living/dining room: 24×20 (main level)
- Kitchen: 14×10 (main level)
- Laundry room: 3×3 (main level)
- Balcony: 8×20
Redfin link does not work and zillow lists it as removed.
I don’t understand the floorplan. What else is in the basement with the 4th bedroom and bathroom?
Looking at #5, they followed every trend to a Tee.
5 also notes common rooftop
Know it’s a photo trick but Sabrina’s photo really makes it look like something’s way out of plumb.
Listed as new and reduced to 719k now
“I don’t understand the floorplan. What else is in the basement with the 4th bedroom and bathroom?”
Looks like nothing.
I predict the kitchen finishes will look out-of-date very quickly. Even if they are in fashion the black fixtures and the brown cabinets are. objectively ugly. Propagandists can try, but they’ll never make a Jackson Pollack or a Rothko real art.
The California CTA stop has reached “GZ” critical mass and is now an acceptable location for white wine-consuming liberals. They like the “diversity” over there, as long as it’s Epcot Center version, not the real stuff which they hypocritically avoid in reality.
That said, this location is still crime-ridden, so I’d put burglar bars on those garden apt. windows esp. if I was a white female. Being BLM sucker isn’t going to save them from being a crime-victim. The Damen blue line stop and Wicker Park are still very much violent crime ridden, despite over 20 years of gentrification. So, the California stop is not going to be the next Fullerton or Southport anytime soon. Besides the Belmont stop is really crime-ridden too, southside gangbangers travel to prey upon whites and homosexuals around there.
Sorry – I saw “duplex down” and lost further interest.
Pay $700,000 to live half in a basement in a crime-ridden neighborhood? No thanks.
Maybe “crime-ridden” isn’t the best description, and I hate to echo HH above. Let’s just say, not the safest neighborhood and one where I’m not sure a woman would feel comfortable walking alone at night.
“they followed every trend to a Tee”
makes sense, no? I’d imagine most people buying new construction want the latest design trends.
If a woman can’t feel at ease walking around at night, men should be nervous, too. That gun being pointed at you by some thug doesn’t see any difference, and most of the people I know who’ve been assaulted on the street have been men. Older men in especial seem to be targeted. I’m an older white woman who walks anywhere she pleases, when she pleases, and have experienced no problems in 33 years in this city, 24 of them in Rogers Park/West Ridge. I believe being tall helps my case, but really feel I owe more to being vigilant and alert on the street, and exercising common sense. It helps, for example, to have a sense of when it would be a good idea to cross the street, or head for another rail car.
About this unit- this place was built to be outdated in a decade. The kitchen IS ugly, and people are beginning to tire of open kitchens.
I do like the nice, comfortable casement tub and large shower stall in the master bath, though. I’m not the only one who finds the high-sided free-standing tubs uncomfortable and unsafe.
“makes sense, no? I’d imagine most people buying new construction want the latest design trends.”
I wouldnt call doing the same thing for > 15 years the latest trend. Opinions vary and I’m likely not the target buyer/sheep
Its the ubiquitous grey/silver 3 series of housing
Nice but cookie cutter. Seen dozens of places that look identical to this lately. Guess that sterile look is in.
Laura -meant no offense by saying women. Sorry. Just echoing my wife, who thinks women are more at risk because of rape. Obviously men can be at risk, too, and there’s neighborhoods I wouldn’t feel safe in at night as a man.
No offense taken, Dan #2. I merely wish to remind men that they are no safer for being male, because too many men are complacent about their own safety, and are not only less vigilant, but more often deal themselves into high-risk situations. However, a cursory look at the violent crime stats at the FBI site will tell you that a man is not only not safer, but is probably in much greater danger, for not only are 77$ of all murder victims male, but they are also more often the victims of street crimes, possibly because they tend to be a lot more careless about their personal safety. They take short cuts through dangerous areas, get into unnecessary verbal altercations with strangers on the road (see “road rage”), particularly young males, and leave night spots visibly drunk and thinking that being 6’4″ and built like a tank is all the protection they need.
You’re conflating data points that aren’t related to come up with an incorrect conclusion.
“I wouldnt call doing the same thing for > 15 years the latest trend.”
but you just said they followed every design trend to a tee.
feel free to show me some condos that have these finishes that were built 15+ years ago.
“people are beginning to tire of open kitchens”
every now and there there’s a story about this but yet every new construction place has an open concept kitchen. I just don’t think they’re going away anytime soon. I can’t imaging living in my house with a closed off kitchen.
“people are beginning to tire of open kitchens”
every now and there there’s a story about this but yet every new construction place has an open concept kitchen. I just don’t think they’re going away anytime soon. I can’t imaging living in my house with a closed off kitchen.
– I think the reason that there are open kitchens are really for those smaller houses/condos. The idea is that open concept will make the room feel larger. So I don’t really see it going away for smaller places/condos or where young ppl who can’t be bothered to cook would want to live.
On the other hand, larger homes often has a large kitchen that flows into a “breakfast room”, but is cut-off from the rest of the house. This makes more sense as you really don’t want food smells throughout the house and you can still gather in the kitchen/breakfast area.
I personally like having a separate kitchen and am not big on ‘open floor plans’.
“On the other hand, larger homes often has a large kitchen that flows into a “breakfast room”, but is cut-off from the rest of the house. This makes more sense as you really don’t want food smells throughout the house and you can still gather in the kitchen/breakfast area.
I agree with this to some extent. Here’s a house I just randomly picked as I was looking at homes for sale in my neighborhood. Kitchen, with island, is open to breakfast area and living room but it closed off to the more formal dining and living space. This is not going away anytime soon.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1919-N-Leavitt-St-60647/home/13356954
“but you just said they followed every design trend to a tee.”
And? The latest trend changed over an extended time frame.
Again I’m bored seeing the same old/same old its suburban track homes for city folks. Maybe it generational thing X Vs Millennial
“feel free to show me some condos that have these finishes that were built 15+ years ago.”
Cant help you w/ condos, but I had commercial projects back circa 2007-8 that had
– White or Faux white marble SS waterfall counter/bars
– Grey Faux wood or Black plam cabinets
– Wood or Wood Grained Ceramic flooring
– Dark metallic pendants over said bar
I dont think I was the first
“Cant help you w/ condos, but I had commercial projects back circa 2007-8”
you complain about others moving the goal posts but you just did. earlier you said greater than 15 years…now were at 12-13. gotcha. I work in r/e development and am well aware of the design trends in Chicago over the last 20 years (because I live and work here).
They sure did cram that 3rd bed into the basement didn’t they. Would make an OK office / home gym / occasional guest room I guess. secondary mode of egress is . . . the window?
Also, should have just put in a walk in shower where that stupid tub is or designed so the toilet could go elsewhere. New “luxury” construction where you can stare at the commode while soaking (or have your head next to it) . . . just not a luxury design feature to me.
I had no idea this was a particularly high crime area . . . 25 years ago sure but now? Now that Bucktown and Logan Square property are thoroughly gentrified isn’t this little pocket in between and walk-able to the blue line hipster central? I will freely admit “not being from here” unlike ahem….one or two others on this thread . . . . but I do actually live in the City as do nearly all of my coworkers who are younger than me and a couple who are older than me.
“I had no idea this was a particularly high crime area . . . 25 years ago sure but now?”
Me, either. I haven’t been in these parts at 2 am in … a long time, but I’ve picked up a pie or two down the block, and I’ve gotten zero ‘unsafe’ vibe–Uptown is far worse, vibe-wise, imo.
1919 N Leavitt St
Chicago, IL 60647
That place is nice and over $1.3 million. But honestly, it’s so typical GZ and so mundane, the layout is the same-old, same-old Chicago (you can only do so much with 25×125). Same bedrooms, same basement with the wet bar, same garage thing, same white kitchen, same bathrooms. There has to be more to life.
“you can only do so much with 25×125”
Even less on 24×100.
They bought it 8 months ago! Ugh.
Floorplan in prior listing. I really really hate the places with the huge 2d bedroom and tiny third–only ok if you have zero, one, or oodles of kids.
“The Damen blue line stop and Wicker Park are still very much violent crime ridden”
What’s your definition of crime ridden? Feel free to stay in the northern/western suburbs or holed up in Lincoln Park.
“Besides the Belmont stop is really crime-ridden too, southside gangbangers travel to prey upon whites and homosexuals around there.”
The dog whistling is at a fever pitch. Have you been to any of these stops or neighborhoods? If so, please wear a mask the next time mouth breather. The “whites” fear corona more than muggings.
Why the moderator allows this type of commentary is appalling.
“Why the moderator allows this type of commentary is appalling.”
You can’t continue to live in your fake reality when people are allowed to speak freely which is why you find it so appalling. You can’t just put your head in the sand and pretend everything is okay when we have alternate news media sites like CWB Chicago that show who is actually committing the crimes and where–something the mainstream news media long ago abdicated in their pursuit of maintaining the facade of equality.
Free speech of others is so offensive to you because your entire worldview crumbles under the harsh light of reality.
“You can’t continue to live in your fake reality when people are allowed to speak freely which is why you find it so appalling.”
What moderators allow someone to post or not post is in itself a form of speech. Based on the title “cribchatter” I would assume the comment dialogue would be about housing not racism and crime.
The first amendment allows for free speech but does not also state that person has the right to an audience to speak.
It’s also telling that your quip to my comment is about “free speech” and not the obvious dog whistling you support. The good thing about the “free speech” crowd is you know who they are as they out themselves so easily.
While there’s no “right” or “wrong” about an open kitchen, I just want it known that I’ve never, ever had an open kitchen in any of the homes I’ve lived in over the 49 years of my life, and never want one.
My wife proposed tearing down the wall between our kitchen and DR and I objected. Luckily for me, it’s load-bearing, so there was no way to do it in the first place. I’m a formal dining room guy, and I despise those “kitchen-family-room-mud-room-laundry-room-entertainment-center” rooms that open to the LR.
“ you complain about others moving the goal posts but you just did. earlier you said greater than 15 years…now were at 12-13. gotcha. I work in r/e development and am well aware of the design trends in Chicago over the last 20 years (because I live and work here).”
Like I said I know I wasn’t the first. You want to whine about a year, go for it tiger.
But calling that moving the goalposts is incorrect. You’re mixed up on your metaphors. You can say that I’m guilty of exaggeration, slight as it is.
“It’s also telling that your quip to my comment is about “free speech” and not the obvious dog whistling you support. The good thing about the “free speech” crowd is you know who they are as they out themselves so easily.”
I don’t think I was dog whistling when I was stating matter of factly that black men create a disproportionate amount of crime.
“Based on the title “cribchatter” I would assume the comment dialogue would be about housing not racism and crime.”
Crime has everything to do with real estate valuations. Race has much to do with crime. If you don’t believe so you can save a whole lot of money and get a lot more house for your dollar in neighborhoods with higher crime (and lower property taxes too!). Yet for some reason outsiders never do. Just drive down 95th St some time and come back & tell us what you see–you will see a fair amount of stupidity.
I don’t care if you think I’m a , your opinion of me has no bearing on me. The reality is Chicago has a surging crime problem at present and is likely to get worse. 1992 level worse? We’ll see.
“The reality is Chicago has a surging crime problem at present and is likely to get worse. 1992 level worse? We’ll see.”
The reality is- EVERY city has a surging crime problem. New Orleans, DC, NYC, Milwaukee, LA, San Francisco, Houston, Philadelphia, Chicago and on and on.
All you need to do is google it.
But why?
Covid mass unemployment to blame?
I see Bob the Bear is back trying to find some reason that housing in Chicago is doomed even as it’s really hot.
“While there’s no “right” or “wrong” about an open kitchen, I just want it known that I’ve never, ever had an open kitchen in any of the homes I’ve lived in over the 49 years of my life, and never want one.”
A lot of real estate agents and home builders are now saying that open kitchens are actually “out” right now because with everyone home all the time due to the pandemic, people actually want separation. Lol.
I wonder if this will be a permanent trend that will last for the next few years?
I’m with you Dan #2. I’m actually a fan of a separate kitchen as well. I hate the big open kitchen/great room spaces. That’s why I like vintage units because they usually have the kitchen separate.
“I had no idea this was a particularly high crime area . . . 25 years ago sure but now?”
It’s not.
Many people on this blog don’t live in Chicago or, if they did, lived in it decades ago and think nothing has changed. Be warned.
“feel free to show me some condos that have these finishes that were built 15+ years ago.”
None had them. These finishes are the latest trend.
We all know what was being built 15 years ago.
Dark 42 inch cabinets, the brown/black granite, the standard dark cabinet island, and stainless steel appliances. You can still see these kitchens all over the city. If you haven’t upgraded them, or at least painted the cabinets and put on new counter tops, it makes it difficult to sell the property.
Also, NO ONE in Chicago was using wood grained ceramic flooring 15 years ago.
Additionally, waterfall countertops didn’t become big until about a year or two ago- on the lower priced point properties under $1 million at least.
Trends start in NY and LA and move to the center of the country. And then they start at the upper bracket and take a number of years to make their way down to the masses. Lol.
“That said, this location is still crime-ridden, so I’d put burglar bars on those garden apt. windows esp. if I was a white female.”
There’s a police station just 10 steps north of this building.
If you actually lived in Chicago, HH, you’d know.
“There’s a police station just 10 steps north of this building.”
Proximity to a police station doesn’t necessarily deter crime as much as you’d think. I’ve learned that almost the very hard way from the number of drunk drivers after dark you discover as a pedestrian at Belmont/Clybourn/Western with the police station right there. Haven’t been hit yet but have had multiple close calls with cars–they are drunk and forget pedestrian right of way or don’t care.
Housing in Chicago is really hot now, it’s hot everywhere now as people adopt some sort of nesting instinct in response to the pandemic just as they rush to the stores to stock up on bath tissue to fill some psychological need they are experiencing from the media fear porn. It reminds me of the post-dotcom crash and 9/11 period where something similar happened. “Home is where the heart is”, right? I wonder how that all wound up.
The northeast corridor and Chicagoland are going to be massively punished in the years ahead as work from anywhere takes root. As for Cali/the left coast I don’t know enough about it and it’s massive economy and the weather is better so holding off on doom for that. Chicago is no California.
“ Also, NO ONE in Chicago was using wood grained ceramic flooring 15 years ago.”
Just because Home Depot wasn’t carrying it , doesn’t mean it wasn’t bring used
“ Additionally, waterfall countertops didn’t become big until about a year or two ago- on the lower priced point properties under $1 million at least.
Trends start in NY and LA and move to the center of the country. And then they start at the upper bracket and take a number of years to make their way down to the masses. Lol.”
This is a decent example of moving the goal posts
“Crime has everything to do with real estate valuations. Race has much to do with crime.”
Joe Berrios robbed more people each year and had a bigger effect on real estate valuations than any individual or crime syndicate in this city. I would also argue you could put Alderman Burke, former Mayor Dailey, and Speaker Madigan in that category as well. If you bother to look at where the hottest real-estate markets in Chicago are currently and have been over the past few years they would be (i) Logan Square, (ii) Bronzeville, (iii) East Garfield Park, (iv) Humboldt Park, (v) Pilsen.
The supposed crime that you speak of is not having a negative impact on real-estate price. The race of the neighborhood is actually having the opposite effect from what you believe.
http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/2019/11/chicagos-hottest-neighborhood-real-estate-markets-of-2019/
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/residential-real-estate/bronzevilles-home-boom-accelerates
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/residential-real-estate/these-were-chicagos-strongest-neighborhood-housing-markets-2019
“a pedestrian at Belmont/Clybourn/Western”
That’s like walking in LA.
[I’ve done it; it’s way better than when the viaduct was there. Will probably be worse again once the corners are get built out and there are cars going in and out of parking lots]
Bob,regarding Chicago’s weather vs California weather- there are worse things than cold and snow, like 115F and no A/C because Cal Pac has cut the power in fire-prone areas, and there are wild fires burning out of control in 20 locations.
What’s worse, is that the most scenic areas, where the temps are most pleasant, are in the fire-prone foothills. It’s bad enough to watch a $10M house spontaneously combust and burn like a match, but it’s worse to try to evacuate down twisty narrow two-lane roads with more other panicked people jamming them than you had any idea were living up there, while fire trucks are trying to come the opposite direction.
“Bob,regarding Chicago’s weather vs California weather- there are worse things than cold and snow, like 115F and no A/C because Cal Pac has cut the power in fire-prone areas, and there are wild fires burning out of control in 20 locations.”
Yep.
Basically, there’s no such thing as “perfect” weather. Even Hawaii has certain microclimates that aren’t that pleasant, to be frank.
Right now, Florida is also suffering through another heat wave this year. Miami still much warmer, and more humid, than what is “normal.” They aren’t going to have any fall, which is when the weather is usually pretty pleasant.
Many people like living where there are 4 seasons, by the way.
“The northeast corridor and Chicagoland are going to be massively punished in the years ahead as work from anywhere takes root.”
You said Chicago real estate was doomed 13 years ago too. Yeah- the bubble burst. It’s come back (thanks to low mortgage rates and the desire to live in the city.)
There’s lots of different cycles in real estate. In 1920, thousands moved to Florida. Then they didn’t. Now they’re moving there again.
Chicago has boomed, busted, and boomed again.
There’s a reason millions have chosen to live in Illinois. It’s not the weather or natural beauty. But with climate change, Chicago is well positioned to weather it better than most big economic centers.
Ambitious people still want to be where the innovation is even if they can “work from anywhere.” Would people in the Bay Area be moving out of California if housing prices were affordable?
I’ll answer it: no. But affordability has forced them to look elsewhere.
Chicago is expensive, but not THAT expensive compared to other mega-cities. There’s no reason to move away because of affordability.
” In 1920, thousands moved to Florida. Then they didn’t. Now they’re moving there again.”
And they’ll be moving out again, sooner than you think. Florida is one of the last places in the country in which I would want to buy anything more expensive than a minimal studio condo. South Florida, with Miami-Dade, is right in the path of sea level rise, and has been experiencing non-seasonal salt water flooding for many years now. And the luxury condo inventory is stacking up while developers who can get easy financing, make plans to develop more.
Some people there, however, are watching the rising sea levels and increasingly frequent flooding with increasing nervousness. And, while the mega-rich continue to flock there, many among the upper middle class, people who are financially comfortable but could not absorb big losses, are cutting and running. One man interviewed for an article said he was putting his house up for sale and leaving the area for fear that the increasing flooding would drive down values, and other people interviewed said it was already making their lives miserable and expensive. All that would need to happen to turn the trickle of affluent people leaving the state, into a flood, is to jerk the massive flood insurance subsidies property owners get via the National Flood Insurance Program, which provides substantial insurance subsidies for homeowners in flood-prone regions.
“And they’ll be moving out again, sooner than you think. Florida is one of the last places in the country in which I would want to buy anything more expensive than a minimal studio condo.”
Yeah- Miami, Coconut Grove and Key West will have issues going forward.
But what if you’re living in Orlando? Or Tampa/St. Pete?
Or Jacksonville? Or Gainesville? Or Pensacola? Or Tallahassee?
I guess, what I’m asking is, does the entire state have the flooding problem? Or if you are away from the coast is it fine?
if i remember correctly, the highest point in florida is 70 feet above sea level
“the highest point in florida is 70 feet above sea level”
It’s 345′, and is basically in Alabama, inland from the Fort Walton Beach area (or, if you prefer, the Bucktown Riviera).
“Jacksonville?”
Lol, who wants to be collateral damage from an armed robbery shooting at the local gas station?
“The supposed crime that you speak of is not having a negative impact on real-estate price. The race of the neighborhood is actually having the opposite effect from what you believe.”
Nonsense.
“watching the rising sea levels and increasingly frequent flooding with increasing nervousness”
Not this recycled Al Gore 2000 documentary crap again. Geesh. Wasn’t supposed to be submerged 10 years ago, lol?
“Not this recycled Al Gore 2000 documentary crap again. Geesh. Wasn’t supposed to be submerged 10 years ago, lol?”
It’s happening all the time. Real estate brokers are quietly trying to sell quite a few Miami condos that the owners are figuring out will be under water in the not too distant future. Time to get out before everyone really figures it out.
Just saw footage of King Tides up near Boston. Whole roads along the coast totally submerged. This is becoming common place all along the east coast now (not just Florida). The entire coast is at risk.
Helmdehofer, I don’t heed St Al Gore anymore than you do,not the least because he insist we peasants reduce ourselves to the lifestyles of early 19th century subsistence farmers while he keeps the fountains at his Santa Barbara mansion running in the middle of an epic drought.
But I listen to the U.S.Dept of Defense, which recognizes the reality of climate change and is planning accordingly. Here is the agency’s 2019 Climate Change report. The prose is dry and dull, but worth a read. https://media.defense.gov/2019/Jan/29/2002084200/-1/-1/1/CLIMATE-CHANGE-REPORT-2019.PDF
Meanwhile, Miami officials are battling the frequent and increasing flooding with gigantically expensive mitigation that the city may be less able to afford, and that may not work as conditions worsen. They aren’t climate change skeptics, either, and their great fear is that they will lose the Biscayne Aquifer, their only readily available source of drinking water to salt water intrusion. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-miami-sealevelrise/in-miami-battling-sea-level-rise-may-mean-surrendering-land-idUSKBN1A601L
Most of the population of the northeast corridor is not close enough to the actual coast to be affected. Yes Manhattan might have issues & Rockaway beach.
The actual economic damage from climate change is wildly exaggerated from a global GDP standpoint. There is no end of the world if emissions aren’t stopped by ie: 2030.
Dare I say some of the biggest challenges facing the world in the 21st century are and will remain humans growing at a geometric rate and exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet if this year has taught us anything.
You can blame China if you’re so inclined, you can even blame the bat, but the truth is this bug lived in that bat and others like him for millions of years more than likely, and had he been left alone everything would be fine.
How many others are out there undiscovered yet just waiting for humans to encroach on their environment to then jump?
“Dare I say some of the biggest challenges facing the world in the 21st century are and will remain humans growing at a geometric rate and exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet if this year has taught us anything.”
Oh, so you’re going back to the environmental boogey man of the early-70s, which itself recycled/expanded on Malthus?
It is, of course, totally fair to point to that as a bigger issue than climate change, because climate change would be a smaller issue with a much smaller global population. But it’s funny to me to hear a reinvigorated Ehrlich argument used to minimize climate change as an issue.
“Most of the population of the northeast corridor is not close enough to the actual coast to be affected.”
94 million Americans living on the coasts.
Chicago is well situated for climate change. We’ll have some flooding issues but they’re already working on ways to mitigate it.
“We’ll have some flooding issues but they’re already working on ways to mitigate it.”
They’ve been “working on” mitigating flooding issues longer than you’ve been alive. And they’re not done constructing the plan adopted in 1972.
With normal Illinois progress on these issues, we might have the next generation flooding mitigation completed in time for the next turn of the century.
“They’ve been “working on” mitigating flooding issues longer than you’ve been alive. And they’re not done constructing the plan adopted in 1972.”
Wrong anon(tfo). Totally and utterly wrong.
The flooding will come from the ground not being able to absorb the bigger rainfall we’ll get. We can solve it by installing the new type of road design/asphalt where the water can be absorbed underneath the road but, of course, we’ll have to replace the roads in those locations. But cheaper than having to build a $10 billion barrier wall like Miami is going to have to do.
I recommend everyone check out the Chicago Magazine articles on what the future of Chicago looks like with climate change. Quite a bit that’s really illuminating in there. It won’t all come to pass, but some of it will.
Chicago is far better situated than all of the other “major” large cities for climate change. Illinois too.
““They’ve been “working on” mitigating flooding issues longer than you’ve been alive. And they’re not done constructing the plan adopted in 1972.”
Wrong anon(tfo). Totally and utterly wrong.”
Uh, did you quote the wrong thing?
Q: What is even vaguely inaccurate about what you quoted?
A: NOTHING.
“The flooding will come from the ground not being able to absorb the bigger rainfall we’ll get. We can solve it by installing the new type of road design/asphalt where the water can be absorbed underneath the road”
This is…daft. Solve an issue of oversaturated land *everywhere* but allowing water to be absorbed into a less than 5′ deep zone, that makes up less than 20% of the oversaturated area? GTFOOH!
So we can add Geotechnical and Hydrological engineering expertise to Sabrina’s long list of qualifications
I think she’s trying to talk about pervious pavements. You are correct if the ground is saturated it really doesnt have anywhere to go so it stays as surface water/runoff. There are some things you can do based on soil type and soil profile to help, but its beyond the scope here
Sabrina, most of the other coastal Florida cities you mentioned are in the crosshairs, and no one wants to live in inland Florida.
https://www.momscleanairforce.org/florida-sea-level-rise/
While nobody will escape the consequences of climate change unscathed, the Midwestern cities will be much better places to be than either the low-lying flood-prone cities of the East and Gulf coasts, or the drought-prone desert states. I won’t see it in my lifetime, but predict that over the next 30-40 years, that the Midwest will become the country’s leading region, and beaten-up cities like St Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and the rest will experience stunning revivals, while Chicago will become even more prominent than it is now. Chicago and other Midwestern cities are all at least 500′ above sea level, have ample fresh water supplies and water transportation routes, and fertile hinterlands that need no irrigation, and just as the population and money moved west and south in the 20th, that flow will reverse in the 21st.
“I won’t see it in my lifetime, but predict that over the next 30-40 years, that the Midwest will become the country’s leading region, and beaten-up cities like St Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and the rest will experience stunning revivals, while Chicago will become even more prominent than it is now. ”
lmao suuuure
oh and for the idiots that parrot these alarmist takes on sea level rise (which is complete bollocks) I suggest you spend some time searching historical trends and some maps on
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/
worst spot in the US is in Louisiana and its 3 feet per CENTURY or 9mm a year, sea level rise changes have not changed since we started recording them over 150 years ago!, very constant rising or falling in the places that have kept these long term records.
Miami at a whopping 1 foot per 100 yearse is hardly anything to be concerned about, and most of the sea level changes are do to the land subsiding or rising (for example how if sea levels are rising in some spots, how come places like hudson bay and the coast of alaska are dropping, water always finds the lowest spot and self levels…
“if sea levels are rising in some spots, how come places like hudson bay and the coast of alaska are dropping, water always finds the lowest spot and self levels”
Do you think that the earth is a perfect sphere?
Since it is not, how does that affect what constitutes the “lowest spot”?
Explain, and show your work.