No Cinder Block Here: Get An All Brick 3-Bedroom Duplex Down in Old Town: 1510 N. Cleveland
This 3-bedroom duplex down at 1510 N. Cleveland in Old Town recently came on the market.
The listing makes a point of saying that this is all brick construction. There is no cinder block on this building.
At 2650 square feet, this unit is larger than some single family homes and many townhomes in the nearby area.
Two of the bedrooms are on the main level with the third in the lower level. There is also a lower level family room.
It has Brazilian cherry floors and heated floors in the lower level.
The kitchen has a Viking stove, cherry cabinets and granite counter tops. There is crown molding throughout.
The unit is listed at the same price as the 2005 purchase price.
Is the all brick construction a huge selling point for this unit?
Scott Berg at Berg Properties has the listing. See more pictures here.
OR you can also see it in person at the Open House on Sunday, May 6 from 1-4 PM.
Unit #1: 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, 2650 square feet, 1 car garage
- Sold in July 2005 for $699,000
- Currently listed for $699,000
- Assessments of $188 a month
- Taxes of $5704
- Central Air
- Washer/Dryer in the unit
- Bedroom #1: 25×20 (main level)
- Bedroom #2: 10×13 (main level)
- Bedroom #3: 10×13 (lower level)
- Family room: 13×31 (lower level)
There is too much section 8 housing around here to justify 700k. 700k can get you into a lot of gated communities. Much safer for a family!
“The listing makes a point of saying that this is all brick construction. There is no cinder block on this building.”
This is BS. It is either brick over frame, or brick over block. There is *NO WAY* the walls are three course brick. None.
“All brick exterior”, sure.
huh? what? OLD TOWN!
Good: No cinderblock. Easy access to brown line
Bad: IMHO prefer 6+ units in the small walk up condo associations. Walking on North Ave probably better when heading east to Wells.
since there won’t be an afternoon post, I’d rather buy this home instead
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/4757-N-Linder-Ave-60630/home/39663561
compare to this that sold at 675k.
http://www.trulia.com/property/3071613176-424-W-Eugenie-St-1-Chicago-IL-60614
Eugine much better location, but smae bedroom situation etc. no parking on Euginie
For mass market newer construction, that’s ok though right? No water issues since that cut face block isn’t exposed, right? *Not being snarky – honestly asking*
“It is either brick over frame, or brick over block”
Oh sure…be a foot soldier in anon(tfo)’s army 🙂
Where are my legions of 24 hr Starbucks sipping cupcake eating pseudo-intellectuals to defend OT? Oh yeah they moved to OMP j/k
@Icarus
since there won’t be an afternoon post, I’d rather buy this home instead
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/4757-N-Linder-Ave-60630/home/39663561
“since there won’t be an afternoon post, I’d rather buy this home instead”
good luck selling for over 500k in jeff park on a street where parking is tight and the lead in street giddings is insanely narrow at points.
but since there is no third post of the day my vote is for chattering about this one
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/6235-N-Newcastle-Ave-60631/home/13508234
Wow Groove, thats a whole lotta kitchens!
“since there won’t be an afternoon post”
“but since there is no third post of the day my vote is for chattering about this one”
So OT is worth about a half hour of chatter? chichow will madder than jeffo and miumiu put together.
“For mass market newer construction, that’s ok though right?”
Sure, but it’s still not “all brick construction”. And, anyway, to nitpick it further, look at the exterior around this unit’s patio well–that’s split face block. So it isn’t even an all brick exterior.
“a foot soldier in anon(tfo)’s army ”
Icarus’ suggestion is west of Milwaukee–may as well be Cary as far as I’m concerned.
@Groove, 231 days OTM with 1 price change and in need of a kitchen update. Not surprised it’s still on the market. I do like the backyard, especially that outdoor fireplace.
Linder isn’t that tight. But you are correct about the price tag. Say it with me everyone:
The Person who can afford a half a million dollar home, doesn’t want to live in Jefferson/Portage Park. And the person who wants to live in Jeff/Port Park, cannot or will not pay $500K for a home. 😀
Nah…people can say or not say whatever. Doesn’t mean they’re right.
Plus on a Friday – play RL hooky vs. cc
@DZ
“So OT is worth about a half hour of chatter? chichow will madder than jeffo and miumiu put together.”
‘Icarus’ suggestion is west of Milwaukee–may as well be Cary as far as I’m concerned.’
I’m just impressed you know it’s Milwaukee the street and not Milwaukee the city.
“Wow Groove, thats a whole lotta kitchens!”
for the folks who would rather cook for themselves than brag about eating at spiaggia
Completely accurate assessment, but is the juice worth the squeeze given the canonical language typically seen in listings?
@anon(tfo)
“Sure, but it’s still not “all brick construction””
learn to make that shiv at JCC?
@Groove77
“for the folks who would rather cook for themselves than brag about eating at spiaggia”
Also, on this one, it’s certainly big enough for a family, but this is no place to have school-aged kids, unless they’re going to Catherine Cook or Latin–wrong side of North.
Would totally prefer this:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1716-N-Vine-St-60614/unit-115/home/13346908
tho it has a lot of fug and a bad assessment.
Since you mentioned Catherine Cook, there’s also Immaculate Conception right there too
“I’m just impressed you know it’s Milwaukee the street and not Milwaukee the city.”
Wait. There’s a street named “Milwaukee”? **IN** Chicago? I’ll be damned.
ARGH @$@#$@#$(@$*@$*@#$*#@
they moved parts of Dearborn Park I / II elsewhere?!?!?
—
anon(tfo)
Would totally prefer this:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1716-N-Vine-St-60614/unit-115/home/13346908
“Completely accurate assessment, but is the juice worth the squeeze given the canonical language typically seen in listings?”
My house is artisanal.
fromage d’Provence – d’Wisconsin?
“they moved parts of Dearborn Park I / II elsewhere?!?!”
Yeah, but. In Lincoln. Better location in most (not all) ways. No one stepping on your head. No basement-level living. Outdoor space is not 4′ below the sidewalk.
But, as we both noted, fug.
Also, just noticed, this place is assessed at about 50% off market value, too.
“Nah…people can say or not say whatever. Doesn’t mean they’re right.”
Well, in that case here’s my contender for the $500-550K sfh in a non-good school district category:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2419-N-Bernard-St-60647/home/40387019
On the property itself I don’t have the formula in my head, but taxes seem low
“On the property itself I don’t have the formula in my head, but taxes seem low”
I always turn to RF, which has the AV as $36,869. And, apparently, without having had to do an appeal.
come on anon, how many homes are all brick construction? My house is all brick too: over a frame construction, like they’ve been doing for over a hundred of years now. I don’t think any believes the literal interpretation of “all brick” except you
but you do have a point about the cinderblocks, the realtor is lying again. what’s teh common phrase tehse days, all realtors are liars?
Red walls makes Groove angry. Miumiu no like angry Groove
“Well, in that case here’s my contender for the $500-550K sfh in a non-good school district category:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/2419-N-Bernard-St-60647/home/40387019“
“My house is all brick too: over a frame construction, like they’ve been doing for over a hundred of years now.”
My house is all brick. As in, the brick is the structure, not the “siding”, and the brick would stand up on it’s own, if the interior walls were completely removed. Unlike your (apparently) house, which is the opposite–you could remove all the brick, and still have a stable structure, but remove the interior walls, and the house collapses.
Many of the condos that have gone up near me have been (cinder) block construction, with an “all brick” exterior. Certainly that’s “all masonry”, but a claim of “no cinder block” is untrue.
Nevermind that I wouldn’t be maintaining my image if I didn’t nitpick nearly meaningless crap like this. Also, nevermind the fact that this unit has nearly 1/3 of it’s streetside, non-glazing face covered in splitface block, and easiyl 50% in splitface + smooth block.
Tall poppy syndrome, much? It is not befitting you. You are losing your touch on humor and sounding like G : )
BTW, FYI, we eat at home everyday and we don’t eat out more than maybe 2 times a month and some times not even that.
“for the folks who would rather cook for themselves than brag about eating at spiaggia”
^^Paranoid much?
” chichow will madder than jeffo and miumiu put together.”
Ze suggests… Bong hits and group hugs… oh and frozen devil dogs.
1) would love to see pictures of @tfo’s house.
2) DZ, I like that house, red rooms and all. Unfortunately it’s out of my price range and too close to my mom’s house.
@ anon(ufo),
in your neck of the woods, what the heck is up with the “coal house” garage?
“My house is all brick. As in, the brick is the structure, not the “siding”, and the brick would stand up on it’s own, if the interior walls were completely removed.”
When was your house built?
“1) would love to see pictures of @tfo’s house.”
Think Everleigh Club and you pretty much hit the bullseye.
“My house is all brick.”
“When was your house built?”
Is all brick (relatively) more expensive than the past?
DZ–nice selection on Bernard. Kitchen doesn’t fit in, though.
“When was your house built?”
Slightly more than 100 years ago.
All brick, as far as my understanding goes, usually means at least three layers of brick so that the walls don’t collapse. It’s not common around here. It’s more common on the east coast with older homes. I don’t know of many homes quite honestly that are all brick, I can’t think of a single one of anyone *I* know personally. Brick veneers, which is really what ‘all brick’ means, is common.
Then again, maybe i’m totally wrong about this, anon might live in a converted two flat built from at least 8″ inches of soild brick and mortar completely around the house. I know that light construction (frame with brick veneer) is way more common among construction rather than ‘all brick’.
“@Groove, 231 days OTM with 1 price change and in need of a kitchen update. Not surprised it’s still on the market. I do like the backyard, especially that outdoor fireplace.
Linder isn’t that tight. But you are correct about the price tag. Say it with me everyone:
The Person who can afford a half a million dollar home, doesn’t want to live in Jefferson/Portage Park. And the person who wants to live in Jeff/Port Park, cannot or will not pay $500K for a home.”
the street do get wider a block away from the jewel. and Long ave is wider too. i understand its new construction but 500k, is a hard pill to swallow. and for this area i have never met a pole who cant swing a hammer so i would think the fixer uppers for dirt cheap over here are better options.
the new play ground at wilson park is sweet. my kid loves it
“Then again, maybe i’m totally wrong about this”
Pretty sure I know my house better than you do. Yes, three course brick (tapering to two on the sides above the second floor.
“Red walls makes Groove angry. Miumiu no like angry Groove”
red walls and red leather couches and wood paneled walls and bucktown and fake people and people saying ELP
“@ anon(ufo),
in your neck of the woods, what the heck is up with the “coal house” garage?”
oops for got to add its the one on leavitt
“the “coal house” garage?”
oops for got to add its the one on leavitt”
Pretty awesome, eh? We talked about that place off line.
Note: that’s an all brick *garage*.
“Pretty sure I know my house better than you do. Yes, three course brick (tapering to two on the sides above the second floor.
Rating: -1 (from 1 vote)”
Hardehar.
At least the big bad wolf won’t huff and puff and blow anon’s house down.
That being said, I hate the cinder block exteriors.
“1) would love to see pictures of @tfo’s house.”
Never!! I’ll use CTG to list my house, picture-free, and never sell.
Seriously, nothing obviously special, other than needed reno projects. Owning a house (espeically an old house) sux, but I wouldn’t want it another way, for amny reasons.
“the new play ground at wilson park is sweet. my kid loves it”
you sure do get around town Groove
fixed it for you
“Then again, maybe i’m totally wrong”
“nice selection on Bernard. Kitchen doesn’t fit in, though.”
Yeah, it doesn’t, although I think I’m fine with it. Even school aside, I prob wouldn’t live over there but I know Bernard is nice.
“Note: that’s an all brick *garage*.”
so it is “just” a garage not a coach house? went back and checked the offline and you did mention it. i need to check the hoyne one someday.
do you know the back story? it looks new and why did they put “coal house” etched in stone? i under stand doing the address (like they also have) but why the words?
“Icarus (May 4, 2012, 2:10 pm)
“the new play ground at wilson park is sweet. my kid loves it”
you sure do get around town Groove”
its better than living in my own bubble and never experiencing anything other than ones own bubble hood of ELP.
kid loves the fire truck at wilson and the ravine with bridge over thing.
the kid also love fellger park which is ways away from wilson
Does anybody know if or when the public housing in the Old Town area around Sedgewick is going to be knocked down? This neighborhood’s values will skyrocket when that happens.
“Does anybody know if or when the public housing in the Old Town area around Sedgewick is going to be knocked down?”
Marshall Field homes, Evergreen Terrace and the other stuff on Cleveland are all (quasi??) privately owned Section 8 housing isn’t it? I’d expect it to remain until the later of the expiration of any HUD regulatory agreements, or land value exceeding pv of the expected rent income, unless they belong to some sort of not for profit with a housing mission.
Not seen any plan that includes the demolition or repurposing of the buildings.
Amd maybe some day they’ll be renovated and renamed “Macy Homes.”
Getting back to the original tipic – maybe a family with teenagers would move here so the kids could go to Payton or Jones?
There is absolutely nothing wrong or inferior about brick veneer over frame construction if good quality non-split face brick is used, and it is entirely appropriate to call such a house “all brick.” Solid masonry construction (which includes structures that use cement block for the inner course as well as those that are all-brick; the former is just as good as the latter as long as the concrete block is not exposed) is rarely done any more due to expense, it is also difficult to insulate them well..
My house was built in 1888 and is 3 layers of all brick construction. Most older homes in Chicago were built with all brick. Split block is a good construction material as long as you have brick as your outer layer. It is important to have an air gap between the brick and split block so the moisture does not penetrate both layers.
“My house is all brick. As in, the brick is the structure, not the “siding”, and the brick would stand up on it’s own, if the interior walls were completely removed.”
“1) would love to see pictures of @tfo’s house.”
Somehow, I’m envisioning about 8 cats, lots of houseplants….
All things considered, the rapidity with which this neighborhood was redeveloped is a testament to the smarts, ambition, drive, intelligence, etc. of the mccrapbox developer crowd. They really worked, and worked hard and smart, to have bought up all those lots, done all the legal BS, got it all construction financed, were “with it” regarding market finishes, etc., they all knew how to max out the zoning, FAR, etc. and they changed this neighborhood )for the better) about as rapidly as could’ve been possible. No government regs strangled them during the era, it was full-blown US opportunism at its best, and the builders had to have made very decent money. This neighborhood looks pretty nice these days.
And the pockets of certain folks in City Hall probably look quite nice as well!
“This neighborhood looks pretty nice these days.”
I agree. Yes, north or north is better, but there’s a trade off. Geographically, it’s much more conventient to the loop, lincoln park, michigan ave then NW lake view, west lincoln park, roscoe village etc… It offers more “diversity” if you are into that sort of stuff than “suburban” roscoe village. It’s sort of like the Division red line stop, there’s some shadiness around there that adds flavor to the area that makes it urban!