Vintage 3-Bedroom With all the Bells and Whistles in Lincoln Park: 2535 N. Orchard
This 3-bedroom condo unit at 2535 N. Orchard in Lincoln Park is for those vintage lovers who also want the modern amenities.
That would mean central air, in-unit washer/dryer and deeded parking.
You rarely find vintage in this prime Lincoln Park location with all three features.
This unit also has some of its vintage character still intact inside the unit with an original built-in hutch and beamed ceiling in the dining room.
The kitchen has been “recently renovated” and has granite counter tops.
The top floor unit also has a private 20×7 deck which over looks a side yard.
Mario Greco at Prudential Rubloff has the listing. See the pictures here.
Unit #3N: 3 bedrooms, 1.5 baths, 1700 square feet
- Sold in December 1986
- Sold in September 2000 for $325,000
- Originally listed in January 2010 and withdrawn in May 2010
- Re-listed in July 2010 and currently listed for $424,500 (parking included)
- Assessments of $345 a month
- Taxes of $5481
- Central Air
- Washer/Dryer in the unit
- Wood burning fireplace
- Bedroom #1: 15×10
- Bedroom #2: 14×12
- Bedroom #3: 10×9
I dig that pantry.
That’s a *lot* of doors. I hate too many doors, as it makes rooms difficult to layout. But it’s a nice looking place w/ 2 of 3 brs a good size and a ton of usable storage space. I’d def prefer this to your typical new con LP/LV condo.
MG–does the association own that side yard?
anon (tfo), I would hope so since the pictures are included, or at least hope you’d have access. Otherwise, it’s kinda cruel.
“anon (tfo), I would hope so since the pictures are included, or at least hope you’d have access. Otherwise, it’s kinda cruel.”
There’s current access. And it’s possibly currently unbuildable for some reason. But I would want to know that (i) the association actually owns it and (ii) it can’t be sold w/o unanimous approval of association members.
The 1.5 bath kind of stinks but overall I think it is a beautiful unit at a reasonable price
Classy place, classy location and a classy listing. Thank goodness a floorplan!
For a young family who don’t mind sharing a bathroom – I grew up sharing a bathroom with my family of 4 – it’s a great way to get into Lincoln Park.
Looks pretty well priced to me.
MG’s team continue to make the competition look very average in my humble opinion.
Nice place over all but I am with you anon, all of those doors would have to go. Is this what is meant by the vintage character? In some new units, it is hard to find doors!
And yes, THANK YOU for the floorplan!!
Others take notice, this is how it is done!!
**I suspect the stated sq ft includes the balcony and halls…with rooms that small and no full second bath, there is no way it is 1700.**
“**I suspect the stated sq ft includes the balcony and halls…with rooms that small and no full second bath, there is no way it is 1700.**”
And here we go again. Remember people, “It’s just a number”.
Looks to be ~60 x ~22, not considering the bays. So, yeah, probalby not 1700.
When you go down Wrightwood on Google street view, you can see that they are using half the lot next door on the corner for parking, and it looks pretty formalized.(like they own it)
I would argue that this is a 2BR + Den rather than a 3BR.
Another negative is that this is not in the Lincoln Elementary attendance area, but in Alcott (not that Alcott is bad or anything). It looks like it’s right across the street from Alcott, so your kid wouldn’t need to walk very far to get to a playlot.
I’d like to know where the parking is – it looks like the building is flush with the alley.
Pricing doesn’t seem so far out of line either.
this place would sell super fast if 2 full baths but I still think its a good deal, I love this part of LP
Being a sucker for vintage, I, of course, like it. I think 1.5 rather than 2 baths, and the lack of a “master suite” might drive some buyers away, but it’s totally workable for a single/couple/couple with 1 child. The outdoor space is very nice and the location is great. Kind of a cheap-o kitchen reno, but it’s still usable (and you can put in a blacksplash and new cabs later.
“Kind of a cheap-o kitchen reno, but it’s still usable”
the kitchen is a tad “tilt head to the side and scratch while partially squinting”. they did do under cabinet lighting 🙂
i like the place its has a nice warm vibe, i would need to change each and every lighting fixture (the bathroom one remind me of rental places) but thats personal taste.
it does have, albeit generic looking, wood radiator covers. and if you have ever priced them out you know why. to get one custom one its like $500-$1000 fricken crazy, but look beautiful, give shelf/counter top space, plus direct the heat into the usable space.
Way back when, SquareD worked just down the block. . .
Agree it’s a nice looking listing, and the place is a little funky, but I think some of the finishes are nicer than might appear (windows look very nice, as does molding, ).
Although, yeah, Groove, something about almost every light fixture is just totally off (that’s pretty easy though).
I think you have to factor in a premium for top floor / quiet, relatively new / clean rehab, to rationalize the price (for, I agree, less than 1700 real sqft, but ohwell). The 1.5/no master ba and Alcott v. Lincoln significant negatives.
This is an awfully nice area though, just in terms of pure demographics. . .
What’s with the “Lollipop Guild” height for the balcony? Better keep drunk uncle Bob from walking out there…
To be up to code, minimum height for a balcony railing is 36″ (if the balcony is only accessible from one unit).
“Although, yeah, Groove, something about almost every light fixture is just totally off (that’s pretty easy though).”
i will say this again, dont be scared of flea markets you can get some pimptacular vintage light fixtures for like $10. you dont need to spend $200 at the local Homo Depot to get a vintage look alike.
and just to be in the crib chattery spirit, Why is it the kitchen cabinets, the built-in, fire place wood is all stained a different color.
TIP; when dealing with smaller places uniformity (a word?) will make a look place bigger
@groove,
IMHO, since all the doors trim, molding, and ceiling beams have all been painted white(ish), then I would think it best to paint the fireplace wood and that builtin to match.
This is nice overall. I love the outdoor spaces and the great light that this unit gets.
I like it. I just don’t love it the way I love many vintage units in this city. But location is better than most of the units I’m thinking about. Location location location … is not as important to me as the interior space, but I know I’m in the minority there.
Per Mario: the lot seen in the pictures IS owned by the association.
Depaul students don’t have the downpayment for this place — why is it a condo again? Probably “went condo” in the last decade. Better off as a rental.
I do enjoy the realtor-isms these days. “FHA Approvable” is similar to “Newer Construction” — not quite what it sounds like, but close enough.
I also like the back stairwell through the common decks. It’s an excellent feature to allow anyone to have access directly to your back door — great for a crackhead to kick in your door at 3am.
One bedroom is closet sized and this place only has 1.5 baths and they’re asking 425k. LMAO. What a bad joke.
do people like the neutral gray color throughout? Room & Board is using this color now in their showroom. To market a place, is this a good idea to paint the entire place one neutral color?
“I also like the back stairwell through the common decks. It’s an excellent feature to allow anyone to have access directly to your back door — great for a crackhead to kick in your door at 3am.”
Maybe I’m missing something but don’t about 95% of vintage units and even general newer 3-flat buildings have the back staircases where anyone, in general, can access them?
This is nothing new.
“IMHO, since all the doors trim, molding, and ceiling beams have all been painted white(ish), then I would think it best to paint the fireplace wood and that builtin to match”
Tom (ufo),
i rented an vintage place way back when and the built-in in the dining room arch way was painted white as was the windows, base board and moldings. I would always say to people “i cant believe they would paint such beautiful woodwork” but inside i always really liked how it framed the wall color and actually made the built-in pop.
JMM,
like sabrina said 95% of rental 2-3 flats are rocking the “open to the public” back porch, if they havent collapsed yet or ghetto rigged into a “inclosed” porch.
“Probably “went condo” in the last decade. ”
Given that is sold in 1986, it would seem the answer is “not in the last decade, no”.
“Maybe I’m missing something but don’t about 95% of vintage units and even general newer 3-flat buildings have the back staircases where anyone, in general, can access them?”
Vintage conversions typically have exterior back exits that are open to all because they are really just glorified apartment buildings. That is the point. People should look more at safety, especially as the city becomes increasingly and obviously more violent.
Proper condos such as six flats and larger plus well-built three flats have interior stairwells in the back. It is a huge safety advantage to have your unit behind two locked doors on both sides (sometimes three if there is a locked parking area behind the unit).
Not even going to touch “mccrapbox” three flat construction because the deficiencies are numerous and obvious.
Or you could just buy a Remington 12 gauge and sleep easy regardless
“This is nothing new.”
Just because a deficiency is common doesn’t mean you should excuse it away.
There are plenty of options that are safer. In condos lots of people come and go, many of whom don’t really know each other that well.
One of the stated plusses of condo living is security, which is true for properly constructed units, but clearly this is not the case with these “condos”…
A guy in my office said a while back that in the near future there will be a ton of money to made in security in the city. It’s turning into Brazil where 1/2 the population is living in shanties on the south side and they travel to the northside where the other half lives to steal their $hit. Look at a lot of the construction from the 60’s and 70’s that was built with security in mind – glass block windows in the front, brick facade, high fence….and pretty soon cameras, alarms and in some cases private security. Thugs have taken over the streets and now they’re gunning down off-duty officers STILL IN THEIR UNIFORMS. It’s a disaster out there and it will spread – it will NOT be contained.
^^^ everybody panic southsiders are a comin!
there will come a point i will need to have HD committed, its getting close to that point.
LOL!! homedelete, did you ever notice we didn’t have these crime problems and feral males running amok before 1964? But do as you are told, try and focus and what’s really important, not crime, but that we can all drink from the same water fountains!
The sky is falling!
Again? Really?
Yes, there was absolutely no crime at all before 1964. Notice that all the jails are less than 46 years old.
The criminals wore suits and ties like Al Capone.
“The criminals wore suits and ties like Al Capone”
Glenn wool, buy his comedy album
he says ‘if you see a man in a suit KICK him and ask for your money back!………Suburban kids dont need to dress like gangsta rappers they should dress like their Dads. their dads in suits have done far worse things than selling drugs and drive by shootings’
‘hey i may have f’ed up at a job came in drunk or made typo’s but i never f’ed up as bad as men in suits to were the f up cost the world 7 billion dollars’
You don’t even have to be a historian to know that crime has always been deeply ingrained in Chicago. Pop culture will tell you all you need to know.
See the musical “Chicago”. Read “Devil In The White City”. Watch any number of gangster flicks.
“You don’t even have to be a historian to know that crime has always been deeply ingrained in Chicago. Pop culture will tell you all you need to know.”
Yeah, but they dressed better and were of european descent, so that was okay, fun even, like in the movies. Never killed kids or nuthin’ and the streets were safe for everyone.
People (especially 20 something yuppie women) seem to forget all this when they look at a “cute” or “vintage” place that has a shoddy kitchen door for a security system.
The other day I drove through what is left of Cabrini. I laughed out loud when I saw two trixies jogging past the last “white” left on Larabee.
Give me a break. Ames, Iowa doesn’t prepare these people for life in the big city.
I just think that it is downright foolhardy for people not to pay attention to the realities of city life. People get in debates over the color of cabinitry, the upgrades to baths, etc without paying any mind to the most obvious factors — safety, security, durability.
Excusing the fact that the city has always had crime is as ridiculous as excusing a leaking roof because it has always rained. It is precisely because it rains that I want the unit with the roof that DOESN’T leak…
“Excusing the fact that the city has always had crime is as ridiculous”
But it wasn’t excusing crime, it was a response to a particular post. Maybe you ignored it; I probably should have. Most likely won’t be here at midnight, which will makes the comments read like your point makes the most sense.
(unless the responses to it are deleted, too)
“there will come a point i will need to have HD committed, its getting close to that point.”
Naperville calls. . . cuz of course there’s no crime in the suburbs. . .
Having lived in the city since 1988, I can tell you that the recent “crime wave” that the city has been experiencing is nothing compared to the early ’90s. And you know what? In the early 90s, I lived in a vintage 3-flat (actually a succession of vintage 3-flats) with back porches and common open stairwells. As did all my friends. We went out in Bucktown/Wicker Park/Lakeview/Lincoln Park and walked home alone or hailed cabs alone in the middle of the night ALL THE TIME. None of us were living in fear or barricading ourselves into our apartments.
And we all saw how crime in the early 90s led to a complete loss of interest in buying real estate in the city. Oh, wait, no we didn’t, we saw gentrification starting in many neighborhoods.
I a prediction like this:
“A guy in my office said a while back that in the near future there will be a ton of money to made in security in the city. It’s turning into Brazil where 1/2 the population is living in shanties on the south side and they travel to the northside where the other half lives to steal their $hit. ”
is overblown crazy talk. It’s Glenn Beckian in it’s fear-mongering.
Back to the topic of this property:
“I like it. I just don’t love it the way I love many vintage units in this city. ”
Agree. The vintage elements are merely nice, rather than truly striking. Maybe stripping the paint off the trim and re-staining the wood would make a difference. I would definitely do that in the dining room. But I think I’d be tempted to paint the mantle white to match the trim in the LR.
I think you would need to re-do both bathrooms in addition to the kitchen. It seems like it would make sense to knock out that wall b/t the laundry room and the powder room and make that a full bath, with the door to what is currently the laundry room remaining. Then if you closed off the door to what is currently the powder room, you could turn that hallway with the built-in closets into a larger laundry room with a side-by-side instead of a stackable W/D.
If this place dropped down to around $375ish, I would be tempted to buy it, and I’m not even in the market right now.
Note to the realtor, though, if this languishes for a while, I would re-shoot the pictures of the deck. Sweep off the leaves, clean the guano off the windowsill, put a nice table and chairs and maybe a planter on the railing and it would look a lot more appealing.
The majority of the southside today is unsafe at night to walk, and so are the public parks, the schools have metal-detectors. You cannot compare it to previous periods in the city’s history because back then the parks/streets/schools were safe in comparison. No revisionist history please. The southside was once very nice and safe.
“The southside was once very nice and safe.”
Yeah, and the North Side wasn’t. It’s like the Earth shifting it’s magnetic poles, just more frequen!
Dan: “No revisionist history please. The southside was once very nice and safe.”
I know we had this same argument a few months ago (“is it really worse now than it used to be?”). Throughout Chicago history there have been killings, kidnappings, drug dealing, drug consuming, bootlegging, and all kinds of horrific random crap. Chicago’s fiercest race riot was in 1919.
Many times in Chicago history armed troops (either National Guard, Army, or Pinkerton) have opened fire into crowds of union demonstrators, including women and children.
In 1877, the Illinois National Guard and Chicago Police opened fire on the German Furniture Workers Union at the railroad viaduct on Halsted (between Maxwell Street area and Pilsen) killing 30 and injuring many more. This was known as the “Battle of the Viaduct”. Fast forward to 1937, when the Chicago Police fired over 200 shots at strikers from Republic Steel, killing 10 and wounding 30 others. This is known as the “Memorial Day Massacre”.
I bring all of this up not to excuse today’s violence, but to refute those who have a false nostalgia for a Chicago that never was. Bullets have always been flying in Chicago. Please point me to a time period where things were “nice and safe”. Give me any year or decade. All it will take is a few finger clicks in Google to document horrific things that went on.
“I bring all of this up not to excuse today’s violence, but to refute those who have a false nostalgia for a Chicago that never was. Bullets have always been flying in Chicago. Please point me to a time period where things were “nice and safe”. Give me any year or decade. All it will take is a few finger clicks in Google to document horrific things that went on.”
But that was all white people killing other white people, so it was okay. Now it’s much more scary.
Check out 2039 N Sheffield #1 in LP as well. This gem in Lincoln Park was reduced from 850k ask down to 280k. MLS 07459263.
Price Reduced: 03/11/10 — $850,000 to $700,000
Price Reduced: 03/19/10 — $700,000 to $600,000
Price Reduced: 04/01/10 — $600,000 to $500,000
Price Reduced: 04/21/10 — $500,000 to $399,000
Price Reduced: 06/03/10 — $399,000 to $319,000
Price Reduced: 07/12/10 — $319,000 to $280,000
lol
Labor unrest examples are not the same as violent crime. White people killing white people? I challenge anyone to show a random city weekend in Chicago’s history when 52 white people were shot due to violent thuggery. I know for a fact that CPS never had metal-detectors in the 1940’s. There used to be a private country club on the southside, for chrissakes, and look at all the greystones and nice apartment buildings that exist(ed) down there now in disrepair. Next someone is going to say that Detroit was bad when it was white, no that’s just not true, it was the opposite.
“But that was all white people killing other white people, so it was okay. Now it’s much more scary.”
Typical. I’ve said this before, for every area that has gentrified across Chicagoland, there are 2-3 times more areas that have gone downhill despite the biggest RE credit bubble of all time . You focus on one small part of Chicago, the yuppie/green zone areas, while neglecting how many other parts of the city have gotten worse or have been taken over by Hispanics. We’ve talked about them (Galewood, Riis Park, pretty much everything surrounding Beverly, etc.) Let’s not even begin to list the number of suburbs that have gone to hell in the last 20 years!!
“And we all saw how crime in the early 90s led to a complete loss of interest in buying real estate in the city. Oh, wait, no we didn’t, we saw gentrification starting in many neighborhoods.”
Interesting find Bob. The whole building is for sale (all three units.) All are short sales.
Building sold in September 2007 for $1.034 million.
Units then sold in October 2007 for $499,000, $499,000 and $649,000.
“while neglecting how many other parts of the city have gotten worse or have been taken over by Hispanics.”
I assume by “taken over by Hispanics” you mean that neighborhoods have become predominantly hispanic. And since you say “gotten worse OR taken over by Hispanics” you think that a neighborhood becoming predominantly hispanic is a bad thing, even if it doesn’t result in more crime or lower property values. Why is that?
Dan,
just to set you in the right direction before you go down a dark sad path, Its not the race of the inhabitants its the class of that race that can either bring down a neighborhood or rebuild it. cause believe me lower class whities f’ed up and brought down many areas too.
i do love you rant about people focusing on green people zone and neglecting the other area.
butt look at it this way… bucktown/wicker park was once a shyt hole and the people that lived there got pushed out by hipsters/artists then by upperclass sheeple. then those “trouble” people had to move somewhere? its all just a shifting cycle that if you zoom out will see its shape.
Madeline:
Granted I only took Sociology 101 and am NOT an Economist, but isn’t there a correlation between race and social-economic status?
1. It’s disingenuous to compare common street thuggery with labor strikes. Not even close.
2. Crime in the 90’s was bad but that doesn’t excuse the crime spree that is developing today – and in fact – it has little or no relevance to what is happening today. Anecdotally comparing the two time periods doesn’t help when it’s your house that’s burglarized. Tell the two women in Bucktown beat over the head with baseball bats that ‘crime was worse in the 90’s’.
3. Gentrification is OVER for quite some time. This city like most cities builds in spurts. They build and then the market slows down to a trickle and the cycle repeats itself. This time however the building spree was so large that it will take years, probably a decade or more, before any real building or gentrification occurs. Yes, I know building never stops but there are way more homes in the city built in the 20’s than were built in the 30’s. The suburbs has more homes built in the 30’s because people wanted to get far away from the mess that the city became during the 30’s.
4. Dan is correct – it is undeniable that the city has gone to hell over the last half a decade. Entire neighborhoods cleared out in the 50’s and 60’s – my parents and grand parents all left the city; and basically everyone’s family followed the nearest highway out of the city. My family went west on 90 to the NW burbs; if you lived on the south side you likely went west on 55 to Orland, Naperville, etc. A handful of those areas have come back but many of the strongholds that refused to move have slowly continued downhill in that time.
I think you mean half a century not half a decade… as things are just a tiny bit different since 2005 🙂
If you lived in the Gold Coast, you went to Wilmette, Winnetka, etc. I get it — every one has their suburban alter ego.
By the way, I completely agree this recent crime wave is very bad for Chicago real estate. Even though crime is not up in any statistically significant way, perception is realty. Trib just published a recent poll — citw dwellers overwhelmingly think crime has increased, which contrasts sharply with the suburbs. None of this may be true but who cares about the truth when fear is involved?
Yeah, you’re right. Everything in the city is OK. Three off-duty cops killed in a matter of 60 days shouldn’t really affect the citizen’s perception of crime in the city. High profile cases of little children being shot by gangbangers or post-college girls getting beaten with baseball bats is just a normal occurrence in the city.
Move on people, nothing to see here.
You forgot to mention 80 year old people getting beaten about the head in East Lakeview…
OK – we get it – there is a problem w/violence in the city.
what is the solution?
“Three off-duty cops”
One of then was very on-duty, killed by a crazy person.
“OK – we get it – there is a problem w/violence in the city.
what is the solution?”
duh…. move to Palitine!
Actually they just did a story on Palatine on the news stating that gang activity was on the rise at the high school!!!!
Anon(tfo) he was off duty, he had literally just walked out the door of the police station still in uniform, when he was killed. He was officially off duty. he was on his way to a volley ball game.
“One of then was very on-duty, killed by a crazy person.”
“Anon(tfo) he was off duty, he had literally just walked out the door of the police station still in uniform, when he was killed. He was officially off duty. ”
Didn’t realize you were a big union workrule supporter. He was in uniform, in front of the police station, carrying his service weapon. Maybe he’d clocked out, but there’s zero difference in that one.
Which actually makes it worse (and the 2d CPD killed with his own weapon by a crazy in ~2-3 years; other one was also right outside a station at Belmont/Western)–dude with the motorcycle is the only one that’s “normal”, as there’s no way those thugs knew he was a cop.
” I know for a fact that CPS never had metal-detectors in the 1940’s”
Hmm, I wonder if this might have anything to do with walkthrough metal detectors not being invented until well after the transistor, but please, don’t let reason get in the way of your inane, racist rambling.
“Yeah, you’re right. Everything in the city is OK. Three off-duty cops killed in a matter of 60 days shouldn’t really affect the citizen’s perception of crime in the city. High profile cases of little children being shot by gangbangers or post-college girls getting beaten with baseball bats is just a normal occurrence in the city.
Move on people, nothing to see here.”
I’m not trying to excuse the behavior, but do you honestly believe that violent crime didn’t use to happen? Or that the information age we live in and the media’s desire to sensationalize everything for ratings doesn’t in some way contribute to this belief that even though aggregate statistics show that crime isn’t as bad as it used to be, things are now somehow worse because we hear about everything immediately and in extreme detail?
Very clever barry….let’s rephrase for you, “did they frisk students entering the doors in the CPS in the 1940’s”? Answer is: No
“Hmm, I wonder if this might have anything to do with walkthrough metal detectors not being invented until well after the transistor, but please, don’t let reason get in the way of your inane, racist rambling.”
smartass. The “anti-racists” never will acknowledge that facts and reality refute their marxist false-egalitarian worldviews. DNA/human genome is being decoded, don’t let science get in your way going forward in life, keep up the “inane” denial. You need to decide whether you believe in our “diversity” or that “we’re all the same”, you cannot hold both positions and come across as an intelligent person, yet idiot liberals do try it!
Another shooting in Humboldt Park last night too, that didn’t happen years ago, the park was safe. You probably have no family history tied to Chicago, otherwise you wouldn’t even try to argue a losing point.
“Another shooting in Humboldt Park last night too, that didn’t happen years ago, the park was safe. You probably have no family history tied to Chicago”
i do have history, my son is forth gen chicagoan, and humbolt in the 50’s and 60’s wanst that great back then either? 80’s and 90’s was worse there than it is now.
“The “anti-racists” never will acknowledge that facts and reality refute their marxist false-egalitarian worldviews. DNA/human genome is being decoded, don’t let science get in your way going forward in life, keep up the “inane” denial.”
Denial of what, exactly? And yes, the human genome is being decoded, what does that have to do with the crime rate increasing (or not) in Chicago?
“Denial of what, exactly? And yes, the human genome is being decoded, what does that have to do with the crime rate increasing (or not) in Chicago?”
He’s probably praying that it’ll somehow lend credence to his false belief that white people are inherently superior to everyone else.
“You probably have no family history tied to Chicago, otherwise you wouldn’t even try to argue a losing point.”
Both sets of great grand-parents on Mother’s side immigrated and worked in the stock yards back in the early 1900’s, my Dad moved to Englewood in the late 50’s and went to Harper High. Not that it matters.
“my son is forth gen chicagoan”
Got you beat–mine’s fifth, tho I wasn’t born here.
“Got you beat–mine’s fifth, tho I wasn’t born here.”
well fifth gen Illinoisan (sp) maybe 6th will need to check family tree again.
your fifth still counts even if you were born in palatine if your wife’s side is all fifth. shoot my wife was born in another country my side all chicagoans.
5th generation if you count my great-great grandmother from Italy but my niece and nephews are 6th generation.
“5th generation if you count my great-great grandmother from Italy but my niece and nephews are 6th generation”
HD but didnt your parents take you out to the sticks? by that white flight, i think the rules are you have to start over from this generation.
Well, why don’t you ask people WHO KNOW what it was like? the schools? parks? streets, etc.? That is unless your family has a bunch of violent criminals in it and then maybe that would explain your views…Marquette Park is another park like Humboldt that’s gone downhill tremendously.
“Both sets of great grand-parents on Mother’s side immigrated and worked in the stock yards back in the early 1900’s, my Dad moved to Englewood in the late 50’s and went to Harper High. Not that it matters.”
“Marquette Park is another park like Humboldt that’s gone downhill tremendously”
again dan, humboldt park (the park) is A LOT better now than it was in the 80’s and 90’s.
maybe you are thinking/imagining some other park?
“again dan, humboldt park (the park) is A LOT better now than it was in the 80’s and 90’s.”
He’s talking about the 50s, before the mexicans came in large numbers and when black folk knew their place. I’m not sure how he feels about all the jews in the city back then, tho.
“… before the mexicans came in large numbers…”
Not to be a tightwad, but the demographic that settled in Humboldt Park in the 1970s is largely Puerto Rican rather than Mexican.
My mom grew up in Marquette park, it was a dump back in the 50’s and 60’s but it was full of eastern european Polish, Ukranian & Lithuanian, immigrants. They live in the far north now and near Midway mostly, but Marquette park is really bad today full of latinos and AA’s and a whole lot of racism from the few remaining white people left there
“Well, why don’t you ask people WHO KNOW what it was like? the schools? parks? streets, etc.? That is unless your family has a bunch of violent criminals in it and then maybe that would explain your views…Marquette Park is another park like Humboldt that’s gone downhill tremendously.”
It is humorous, in a very sick and twisted way, how each ethnic group feels they have to point fingers at other ethnic groups to place all blame on them for the state of race relations that exist not only in Chicago, but in a larger view, the entire country.
If you really want to play this ‘your group is responsible for the deline’ of this area, this city, this state, this country…all you have to do is to remember when the first WHITE european settlers arrived and began violent, inhumane and murderous acts against the original inhabitants of this country.
Once you do that and see the truth from the Native American’s point of view, you realize exactly which group is responsible for the state of affairs in present day USA.
End of discussion, right?
“it is undeniable that the city has gone to hell over the last half a decade.”
Logan Square is thriving. Milwaukee Ave Arts Fest this weekend is one of the most ambitious of its type I’ve ever seen – it’s over 3 miles!
“He’s talking about the 50s, before the mexicans came in large numbers and when black folk knew their place. I’m not sure how he feels about all the jews in the city back then, tho.”
anon, humboldt is Puerto Rican, mexicans dont come in until central park ave. (and yes i did a 1 year lease by north and pulaski, GUY’S PIZZA beyotches!!!!)
and even in the 50’s and 60’s my parent/uncles/aunts tell me humbolt wanst that great then either.
“End of discussion, right?”
No, and i’m not going to go into a discuccion of all the neighborhoods that improved when a large % of AA’s moved in because I don’t think there is a single example of that
let me clarify… I don’t believe the AA’s are to blame in this instance, its mostly an after effect of white flight
“anon, humboldt is Puerto Rican, mexicans dont come in until central park ave.”
Mexicans, PRs, whatever. My semi-sarcastic point remains–and wasn’t actually intended to be humboldt specific.
“Mexicans, PRs, whatever. My semi-sarcastic point remains–and wasn’t actually intended to be humboldt specific”
i knew exactly where you were going but it jsut feels good pointing out the errors of a error pointer outer 🙂
ahhh life is great
Back in the 1880’s nobody could think of a neighborhood that improved after the Irish settled.
hahaha so true HD
stupid uneducated drunks, amazing how times change eh?
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/072110_ireland_youth_riots
I highly reccomend the article I linked, they even go as far as calling catholics and protestants “the two tribes” quite hilarious
boy howdy, this site does not like my links.
I’ve got pictures of my grand mother and great grandmother from the 1920’s through the early 60’s in and around logan square and a lot has changed since the 1960’s until today .
“skeptic on July 22nd, 2010 at 10:04 am
“it is undeniable that the city has gone to hell over the last half a decade.”
Logan Square is thriving. Milwaukee Ave Arts Fest this weekend is one of the most ambitious of its type I’ve ever seen – it’s over 3 miles!”
“boy howdy, this site does not like my links.”
If you put in two or more, it gets held for moderation. One at a time is okay and will get posted right away.
HD, I go by new businesses opening up, foot traffic, etc. Logan is great.
And my links are preventing my messages from going through, but from opensecrets.org you get these nuggets (I was a bit off on the Reps):
“U.S. senators had a median net worth of approximately $1.7 million in 2007, the most recent year for which their financial data is available, and 62 percent of the Senate’s members could be considered millionaires. In the House of Representatives, the median net worth was about $684,000, with 39 percent of members having net worths estimated to be at least $1 million. By contrast, only about 1 percent of all American adults can be considered millionaires. ”
And just google “health care overhead” you’ll see studies coming in around 31%, that’s not 35%, but it’s obscene nevertheless and WAY worse than medicare.
thanks anon, Sabrina – sorry for the hassle, feel free to deny ’em.
6th generation comes pretty close to pre-dating the city of Chicago assuming 25 year generations and a 35-40 year posting age right?
HD is the Italian DAR. Landed here on Plymouth direct from Calabria.
JMM:
maternal great great grandmother from northern italy. 1880’s IIRC
maternal grandfather’s really is DAR. That’s the WASP in me. Remember, loves animals, hate people.
Wrong!! The settlers bought Manhattan fair-and-square for beads and what was it? $24?
the inhumane and murderous acts were carried out against the settlers by the natives, who had “raiding parties” which involved capturing and kidnapping the women & children, white women were raped in many cases. Have you read about eh Ft. Dearborn massacre? involving women & children?
Michgan Ave bridge, note the far right side: http://bit.ly/bSibJE
Anyway, if the current status/safety of the parks, streets, and schools isn’t enough evidence for the deniers, then just look at the state of the once grand-boulevards!! how about all the gerystones, and foremerly beautiful apartment buildings? The retail strips at 63rd & Halsted and so many others? like in Roseland? etc. how many other suburban areas are going downhill similarly?
For every “gentrifying area” today there are 2-3 times an many areas outside the green zone that are declining faster. It’s a problem when green zone bubble dwellers never leave their bubble and then spout off about greater society without knowing what’s going on. Demographic shifts in immigration totally play into this, as importing a Third World population contributes to it, like it or not….Polish areas are far safer than are black and Hispanic areas, the prisons are not filled with impecunious Poles either, for those who would blame the decay on “poverty”.
WHITE european settlers arrived and began violent, inhumane and murderous acts against the original inhabitants of this country.
Once you do that and see the truth from the Native American’s point of view, you realize exactly which group is responsible for the state of affairs in present day USA.
End of discussion, right?
Jews agree with me, they vote with their feet and were/are the most prolific “white flighters” the city has ever had. Their self-segregation today speaks for itself too, they don’t seek diversity for themselves and their children’s schools, not even close! Of course, many have a so-called lip-service tradition of “liberalism” but their actions disprove this totally. It’s similar to lip-service about not being racist, then turning around and writing a check to support apartheid/occupation in Israel. It cannot be reconciled, the words and actions. At least I am consistent.
“I’m not sure how he feels about all the jews in the city back then, tho.”
Stormfront is that –> way, dude
“The settlers bought Manhattan fair-and-square for beads and what was it? $24?”
oh good grief. have you ever heard the phrase “the victors write the history books”?
the Native Americans living in Manhattan had no concept of private property – they were swindled, as were every tribe who made a deal with the US Government.
Read these and educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_My_Heart_at_Wounded_Knee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobell_v._Kempthorne
“The settlers bought Manhattan fair-and-square for beads and what was it? $24?”
oh good grief. have you ever heard the phrase “the victors write the history books”?
the Native Americans living in Manhattan had no concept of private property – they were swindled, as were every tribe who made a deal with the US Government.
Read and educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_My_Heart_at_Wounded_Knee
There’s also a massive class-action suit related to the misuse of funds by the BIA.