We Love 3-Bedroom Authentic Lofts With Rooftop Terraces: 612 N. Oakley in West Town
This 3-bedroom duplex up loft in the Village Lofts at 612 N. Oakley in West Town recently came on the market.
It has exposed brick and timber ceilings in about 1950 square feet.
There are two bedrooms and two baths on the main floor along with the main living area.
A steel staircase takes you to the second floor where a master suite and a 25 foot landscaped west facing terrace awaits.
The kitchen has maple cabinets and stainless steel appliances.
The loft has the other features buyers look for including central air, in-unit washer/dryer and parking.
Just how hot are lofts (and West Town) this spring?
Jordan Chalmers at Baird & Warner has the listing. See more pictures here.
Unit #207: 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, duplex up, (I’ve been told it’s about 1950 square feet)
- Sold in June 1999 for $260,000
- Sold in December 2001 for $350,000
- Currently listed for $475,000 (parking included)
- Assessments of $362 a month
- Taxes of $5828
- Central Air
- Washer/Dryer in the unit
- Bedroom #1: 21×13 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 25×10 (main floor)
- Bedroom #3: 12×11 (main floor)
Nice place! I’m a little confused about how many units this building has and where in the building floor plan the other units are located.
Nitty question about the bathroom – do people actually use those tiny decorative tubs? I mean how do you even fit in there?
Looking at a #1xx unit can help understand teh building layout:
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/612-N-Oakley-Blvd-60612/unit-110/home/12789282
“Nitty question about the bathroom – do people actually use those tiny decorative tubs? I mean how do you even fit in there?”
it’s not that small, each of those wall tiles is 12″x12″. based on the “in fashion” rectangular wall tiles and the floor tile pattern, one could surmise that this rehab was very recent. It’s funny, they spend all that money and don’t stay in the unit to enjoy it.
The professional VHT wide angle lens photos make the unit appear longer than it actually is. Most lofts don’t impress me. This however impresses me because it’s an honest to goodness NY loft
http://www.trulia.com/property/3078875177-71-Hudson-St-2-New-York-NY-10013
homedelete –
The price of that unit sure impresses me…
I looked at another unit in this building, #101, which had a much nicer layout than this unit, in my opinion. The building has some very nice lofts, but the location is obviously suspect. My dad and I walked around the area one day and it was pretty quiet and residential, lots of families, etc. It’s close to Western, but didn’t feel close to the Western “riff raff” (which I think is a bit exaggerated to begin). All comes down to the same compromise; quality of space or quality of location?
nice place. my only beefs are that the kitchen has almost zero counter space (put an island in !) and really ? Metal corrugated metal stairs ? Do you really want to be clomping up and down those ? Looks like an entrance to an L stop.
$243/sf seems aggressive for this location and finish level.
Cool loft and I like the private roof space although based on the photo it does not look that private as the neighbors can easily hand you a beer! Kitchen is in bad need of an island or extra counter space.
Cool place, but the asking price seems really high for this location. The bathrooms in particular may not be bottom end, but the finishes aren’t anywhere near demanding 125k more than the 2001 price. I think this goes for right at 400.
“$243/sf seems aggressive for this location and finish level.”
3 bedrooms, 3 baths, duplex up, (I’ve been told it’s about 1950 square feet) — for under $475K? Not bad. What are you comparing it too? This location is peaceful and not bad at all.
West Town? I’m thinking more like “heart of Ukranian Village.” Isn’t there a UK church within easy walking distance?
It’s called The Patch, folks. Not West Town, not Smith Park, not South Ukranian Village. The Patch, capice?
This is West Town?!?! No way… definitely Ukrainian Village. I wouldnt move here unless the price was half this is listed for…
My friend rented right across the streets from this building and had his place broken into twice, and car broken into once, within a one month span (March 2012)… I question the safety of this neighborhood at night. (I am very aware of the risks of city living and have been broken into before, but 3 break ins in one month is just crazy!)
Also agree that this is definitely UKV. A similar, but larger and better finished place, sold on green in west loop for 520, so I think 475 for this location is overpriced. If it were at Damen or east it would be a place I would have loved to have considered!
It’s definitely not Ukie Village.
To me, The Patch is only west of Western.
“Also agree that this is definitely UKV.”
Wikipedia says that Ukranian Village is Divison to the North, Chicago to the South, Western to the West and Damen to the East.
So this is NOT in Ukranian Village (as it is south of Chicago.)
Wikipedia is a good starting point but I’d get other sources before relying on it for neighborhood boundaries. Anybody that disagrees with a neighborhood boundary (IE: one hoping to gentrify an area/reclass into better nabe) can alter wiki definitions so I’d be careful. IE: Graceland West vs. Uptown.
Heck the “South Loop” even extends past the highway these days to 26th street 😀
It’s in Ukrainian Village.
http://www1.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/ukv/history/
Same as YoChicago’s boundaries, which are always a good guide. Spelled Ukrainian, after the country.
One of our clients, Sergio & Banks, has two homes for sale in the 600 block of Oakley.
I don’t consider this Ukrainian Village. Sorry! If it is then entire west side of west town is Ukrainian Village- which it’s not. But that’s just me.
But then- I only consider the actual historic area to really be it anyway (where they have the signs in the neighborhood.) That is north of Augusta. But I understand why everyone wants to market this as it. It sounds so much better than just saying West Town.
Sabrina,
The Ukrainian Village Neighors Ass’n uses Chicago Ave as its southern boundary. That’s the line set when UV was designated an “official” neighborhood by Jane Byrne back in the 80s. The historic district is a 10-year old creation.
The Ukrainian National Museum and Saints Volodymyr & Olha Ukrainian Catholic Church are south of Chicago Ave.
Residents of the area south of Chicago Ave have long considered themselves residents of Ukrainian Village. I’m sure they’ll all appreciate your input as to their mislocation / misjudgment.
stsvo dot org / ukrainiannationalmuseum dot org
The Ukrainian National Museum and Saints Volodymyr & Olha Ukrainian Catholic Church are south of Chicago. ”
Yes, they are on the south side of Chicago and known as Ukrainian Village.
The subject is further south in The Patch. Yes, the brokers and their shills have pushed a name change for decades, but no long time residents agree. Of course, they don’t pay the shill’s bills unless they leave, so they don’t count.
What was known as The Patch is the area west of Western, south of Chicago and also bordered by Grand Ave and California. Most people now call it Smith Park. The subject property is not in The Patch / Smith Park.
Name-calling is no substitute for knowledge, G. You might want to visit these neighborhoods some time and talk to some of the long-time residents.
“IE: Graceland West vs. Uptown”
If they didn’t call it Graceland West, they’d call it Lake View. Unless you think that the 70+ yo Community Area map was tinkered with by Wikipedians.
It’s like the part of Oak Park that’s south of 290. It’s Ukranian Village, but not full of Ukranians, though thay do own a lot of the rentals.
“Yes, the brokers and their shills have pushed a name change for decades, but no long time residents agree”
yes another thig the boom/bubble created. F’ed up hood names and ever expanding boundaries for the hot and trendy ones.
but we all can agree the most annoying one and when heard conjures up your arm muscles to give the person who said it a slap is SoPo
sopo was the worst I’d heard until I saw brooklyn has a hood called dumbo.
solo never seemed to catch on.
“sopo was the worst I’d heard until I saw brooklyn has a hood called dumbo.”
given West Town is only one position below SoPo just above the full spelling of southport on the WTF chart
My parents saw this unit over the weekend. They were impressed by the character, layout, and finishes, but the unit had some drawbacks. To put it nicely, my dad said the unit looked like the last place that Colonel Kurtz lived in before he went to Cambodia, as parts of the unit were very dark overall. Numerous, small Buddha statue(s) were placed around rooms, and a sign on the outside of the front door said: “When You Are In, You Are On Camera” – quite a bold thing to say to potential buyers. Didn’t know Buddhists were so suspicious of thievery… so much for tranquility…
They also said one of the bathrooms was also extremely dark, which would make achieving enlightenment in the egg-bathtub extremely difficult, and turning on the sink required turning a knob under the faucet. The finishes, they thought, were nicely chosen/placed throughout, but there was a lot of wear and tear on them.
Combine all these things with the inflated price of 475k and the questionably safe location, and my parents left the place whispering to themselves, “the horror!” ok – I jest but someone will probably end up paying around 450k for this given that unit 101 sold for 425k (2bd/2bth 2100sq feet, nice finishes). My parents loved the unit despite some drawbacks, but the location and price ultimately discouraged them.
In unrelated news, my dad has some small buddha statues that he…found… and would like to sell. $50/statue or best offer. Any takers?
“Name-calling is no substitute for knowledge, G. You might want to visit these neighborhoods some time and talk to some of the long-time residents.”
LOL. A coal miner’s daughter knows as many generations of families in and from The Patch as me? Vaffanculo.
“sopo was the worst I’d heard until I saw brooklyn has a hood called dumbo”
What would you call that area? I know the name sounds funny, but it provides a measure of specificity. Not every hood name can roll off the tounge like SoHo, TriBeCa or NoLIta
“What would you call that area?”
Some people want to call it Olympia:
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/29/46/29_46nets1.html
” Not every hood name can roll off the tounge like SoHo, TriBeCa or NoLIta”
When I first moved to SoHo my mom refused to visit me because she thought I was living in a warehouse in a dark scary part of “lower” Manhattan… how things change..
An OT and possibly idiotic question. Not being a homedebtor, I’m vaguely aware that a chunk of the monthly payment is nominally designated for interest and a portion for principal. Does it really matter what is called what? E.g., if you paid the same monthly dollar amount, whehter you called all of it interest or all of it principal or something in between (subject to boundary conditions), does the amount you would owe to pay off the loan after year X differ? Does it matter, other than for tax implications, in which case why not pick what is optimal for taxes?
G: va bene.
DZ, not sure that this is a serious question, but it matters because the principal payments reduce the balance owed on the mortgage. The portion allocated to principal and interest each month vary based on the applicable amortization able. “Amortization” is the reduction on an amount by the payment of a varied amount over a long period.
” I’m vaguely aware that a chunk of the monthly payment is nominally designated for interest and a portion for principal. Does it really matter what is called what? E.g., if you paid the same monthly dollar amount, whehter you called all of it interest or all of it principal or something in between (subject to boundary conditions), does the amount you would owe to pay off the loan after year X differ?”
Um, yes? If I understand what you are asking.
Simple example: Loan of $1000. Interest of 6%. Monthly (amortizing) payment of $10.
Month 1 = $5 interest, $5 principal. Remaining principal = $995
Month 2 = $4.98 interest, $5.02 principal. Remaining principal = $989.98
Month 3 = $4.95 interest, $5.05 principal. Remaining principal = $984.93
etc, etc.
Guess you could characterize the principal payments as “pre-paid interest” and in future years pay more principal, but that creates consumer lending regulatory issues, among other problems. Bascially, if that’s what you want, you need teh Ze-approved I/O loan, but then you also get a lower monthly payment–if you paid as much as you would on an amortizing loan, then you’d be reducing the principal thru voluntary pre-payments, much the same as if you paid $12 instead of $10 in the example, and you next month’s interest payment would be lower (which is how a HELOC typically works).
“not sure that this is a serious question”
Yes, serious, maybe stupid, but serious and sincere.
“Monthly (amortizing) payment of $10. [etc.]”
So the designated interest amount is always the full interest due for that month? And it changes as that full interest due declines. (As I said, it was maybe a stupid question.)
http://www.amortizationtable.org/
Easier to visualize it…
DZ: So your place is paid off? Or you’re renting?
“Easier to visualize it…”
Thanks, Z. I wish miumiu were around to explain the formula to us.
“Or you’re renting?”
Renting. I was hoping to buy before hd and bobbo, That seems to be out the window, so I will pivot, as they say, and aim to be last loser-renter standing.
Also, @fo (everyone pls note spelling), pls check email.
“The acronym Dumbo arose in 1978, when new residents coined it in the belief such an unattractive name would help deter developers”
interesting if true
“So the designated interest amount is always the full interest due for that month? And it changes as that full interest due declines.”
“always” and “full” are sufficiently overdefinite that the fully accurate answer is “not really”, but if we’re just concerned about being close enough without getting into all the details, then yes, the scheduled payment includes the full amount of interest due that month. Which is why making one extra full amount payment per year turns a 30 year repayment into a ~23 year repayment–you dramatically decrease the monthly allocation to interest.
also, won’t be able to respond to email til this evening. (yeah, then how am I on the intertubez? It’s specious conumdrum, or something.)
“monthly allocation”
It’s the I think fairly frequent use of the term allocation that was part of reason for my confusion. I’d argue that the interest portion is simply what is (roughly) due each month on the prior month’s outstanding balance, not an allocation over which there was meaningful discretion.
“specious conumdrum”
No prob. Specious does appear to be a pet homedebtor word.
R da 2 of u makin da simple compladacted?
“R da 2 of u makin da simple compladacted?”
I think I understand though google translator does not autodetect the language. Gonna form a consultancy with that slogan. Right after we get the simplehuman liner biz off the ground.
“R da 2 of u makin da simple compladacted?”
Never!
or
Usually!!
One of those, I’m pretty sure.
“frequent use of the term allocation”
Yes, you are likely correct that it is at least slightly misused. But, you take that $10 payment and [_____] $X to interest due at the time of payment and [_____] $(10-x) to principal, what’s the *better* word that would also be commonly understood?
“the *better* word that would also be commonly understood?”
The $10 payment consists of $X paid on interest due that period and $(10-X) to pay down the principal. Or something to that effect.
^^ I don’t think even German can condense that into a single word.
“anon (tfo) (May 7, 2012, 2:49 pm)
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There may well be no good word b/c you’re using a sentence structure that requires that something active is being done to the $10 when nothing of the sort is taking place. There’s a $10 payment and a chunk of it is payment of interest due.
G,
Obscenities are also not a substitute for knowledge.
You can call me anything you want, but none of it changes the fact that I have a 25-year long track record of publicly calling out real estate agents, developers and various other promoters over incorrect usage of neighborhood names and boundaries.
We’ve published for many years what most honest people would concede is the most accurate set of Chicago neighborhoood boundaries available, and we’ve frequently mocked inaccurate claims.
http://yochicago.com/chicago-neighborhoods/
We’ll be expanding that list now that Google Knol, where we had published a more comprehensive one, is going away.
Calling me a shill on the issue of neighborhoods makes you out to be deeply ignorant or deeply dishonest – or both.
” I don’t think even German can condense that into a single word.”
Dutch always works.. they can put any combinaton of 3 letter words together to create any other word.
I would suggest “payment component destructuralization”
“Obscenities are also not a substitute for knowledge.”
I beg to differ!
“You can call me anything you want, but none of it changes the fact that I have a 25-year long track record of publicly calling out real estate agents, developers and various other promoters over incorrect usage of neighborhood names and boundaries.
We’ve published for many years what most honest people would concede is the most accurate set of Chicago neighborhoood boundaries available, and we’ve frequently mocked inaccurate claims.”
Thank goodness for Yochicago- doing that public service. Yay Yochicago!
Don’t worry G. We’ll both be “deeply ignorant and deeply dishonest” together (since he accuses me of such things every few months as well).
ha! ha!
Sarcasm isn’t a substitute for knowledge either, Sabrina. But when that’s all you’ve got, I understand why you resort to it.
“Sarcasm isn’t a substitute for knowledge either, Sabrina. But when that’s all you’ve got, I understand why you resort to it.”
I have no knowledge, this is true.
Whenever I need to know something I turn to the all knowing YoChicago.
“You can call me anything you want, but none of it changes the fact that I have a 25-year long track record of publicly calling out real estate agents, developers and various other promoters over incorrect usage of neighborhood names and boundaries.”
Likewise, none of your paid announcements change the fact that that you are wrong about long time residents calling the subject location anything but The Patch.
You are a paid shill, everything you do is tainted by that simple fact. All of your claims about publicly calling out RE pros were likely due to them turning down your ad/shill services, disputing one of your bills, orders from a bigger client, or simply low hanging fruit in order to impress those who “want to learn a lesson” from you. You are a good shill, so an air of credibility is important for you, too bad it reeks.
“Sarcasm isn’t a substitute for knowledge either”
Again beg to differ. Takes knowledge and intelligence in order to be sarcastic. It is most certainly a form of wit by its very definition.
The Patch originally got its name from an abandoned quarry that had been converted to a city dump. That piece of ground became Smith Park over 50 years ago.
I’ve studied Chicago neighborhood boundaries intensively for many years, and talked to many people in every part of Chicago. I”ve never heard anyone refer to anything east of Western Avenue or seen any published reference to anything east of Western – where the subject property is – as being in The Patch.
The City’s neighborhood map, which used to be published by the Department of Planning, and was based on surveying residents and businesses about their location, contains no reference to The Patch because the name faded out of usage years ago.
I’ve earned my living, G, by earning credibility with consumers and remaining independent of the real estate industry even while being paid by it. It’s called having integrity and working to gain knowledge – an approach that’s alien to the CribChatter ethos, which consists of sliming the good guys and the bad guys alike.
.
The area east of Western north of Grand, where the subject property is located, was known as Ukrainian Village when we first began publishing neighborhood boundaries 25 years ago – and we’ve never varied those boundaries since.
A fact-free attack on someone’s credibility is not a substitute for knowledge.
“You can call me anything you want, but none of it changes the fact that I have a 25-year long track record of publicly calling out real estate agents, developers and various other promoters”
Yet Joe Z,
one of the most crooked developers and RE businesses is one of your top clients. Explain that one for me please.
“A fact-free attack on someone’s credibility is not a substitute for knowledge.”
Oh and i have facts too.
dont worry about me trying to substitute anything for knowledge as i come in without any to start with and know it.
Add Groove77 to the cowardly anonymice who sling mud when they don’t know enough to dispute a fact.
I’ve yet to see anyone provide any credible argument against the subject property’s being in Ukrainian Village.
Side question – will Sabrina have learned how to spell Ukrainian from this thread?
“Add Groove77 to the cowardly anonymice who sling mud when they don’t know enough to dispute a fact.”
Fact, one of your clients has the same last name as our former zoning commissioner.
Fact, that same client has had a disproportional amount of zoning changes go in their favor.
I can play this game all day if you like and all off just the top of my head. or would the lawyer in you like some time to come up with some fancy legal ways of disputing or hiding?
if you need more time, let me know so it can be a fair fight.
“I”ve never heard anyone refer to anything east of Western Avenue or seen any published reference to anything east of Western – where the subject property is – as being in The Patch.”
I hear it every holiday.
Fact – you have no factual basis for saying “disproportional” – and no basis in the English language for the word.
State the exact percentage of each type of zoning changes that were approved for his developer and compare it to the overall percentage approval for each type for developers as a group. Fail to do that and you don’t have facts.
You want a fair fight? Sit down with me on camera and debate the subject. There’s no such thing as a fair fight with mud-slinging, innuendo-loving gutless anonymice.
People who have any sense of decency and any personal integrity don’t make anonymous attacks, Groove – and that’s a fact.
Given the lawerly response from the shill, I think groove is on to something.
“Fact – you have no factual basis for saying “disproportional””
all this info is ready available with a bit of google and some reading.
dont ask me to do the work for you, as you dont put food on my table. so to give you any extra effort will not happen anytime soon.
most chicagoans “in the know” know what and who i am talking about. the rest can Google it and get the answers off just the first three hits. no need for me to do anything, provide any data, or go on your camera to increase your revenue. Interweb has enough of the truth already there for one to make an opinion.
wonder why his “driver” didnt get elected? find that answer and you will find a tie to me.
A lawyerly approach is what honest people take when anonymice make accusations. Where’s the evidence?
You’d think mister numbers man G of all people would be asking for numbers to back a claim of disproportionate results. Or don’t numbers matter when there’s a chance to slime someone outside the CC fold?
Link to your Google results, groove, and let everyone judge whether they back up your claim of “most crooked.”
“Given the lawerly response from the shill, I think groove is on to something.”
and the lawerly way of getting the other to do the work. this aint the court where i foot the burden of proof or something (need to watch law & order again) (or for Ze, “need to watch night court again” i liked bull)
Joe just google it your dang self post the first link you would like and the Chatteratti will judge.
When you make accusations, groove, you undertake the burden of proof. It doesn’t shift to the person you slime.
You started out by saying you “can play this game all day …” but almost immediately couldn’t find time for it when you had to supply facts.
You seem to have plenty of time for making excuses and ducking responsibility for your claims.
Joe, if you thumbs up your own comments do you get paid extra?
“When you make accusations, groove, you undertake the burden of proof. It doesn’t shift to the person you slime.”
you do understand i am typing to you an a random internet blog and you grasp of real world does not apply here.
“You seem to have plenty of time for making excuses and ducking responsibility for your claims.”
and again you spend to much time trying to bait me over the years. It still doesnt work.
i asked you nicely google it yourself, i am even letting you cherry pick your own link to post here. Which goes to show no matter what you can google it will be bad for your case.
“anonymice”
that’s a stupid saying, just like Sarah Palin says, “lamestream media”. Are you friends with her?
CH,
I’ve never done that and never will.
Everything I do on the Internet is on a completely straight-up, transparent basis.
“i asked you nicely google it yourself, i am even letting you cherry pick your own link to post here. Which goes to show no matter what you can google it will be bad for your case.”
you had all evening to work up a link in YOUR favor. I guess its easier and more beneficial to your client that you just walk away and pretend nothing happened.
“CH (May 8, 2012, 5:00 pm)
Joe, if you thumbs up your own comments do you get paid extra?”
does anybody even look at the thumb thing? i forget they are even there until someone mentions it.
but come on Joe, giving yourself 3 thumbs up and 3 thumbs down for me. now thats just plain sad.
“I guess its easier and more beneficial to your client that you just walk away and pretend nothing happened.”
Probably, but would have been most beneficial to his client if he hadn’t engaged you at all in the first place.
“does anybody even look at the thumb thing?”
I think just mm and @fo.
“DZ (May 9, 2012, 9:04 am)
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Rating: -1 (from 1 vote)”
Who thumbed me down? What for?
“Who thumbed me down? What for?”
Ha!
just thumbed down tfo for laughing at dz
Just thumbed you down for thumbing down @fo for laughing at DZ for asking who thumbed him down when DZ was saying only mm and @fo look at thumbing down in follow up to Groove calling out joey z thumbing himself up three thumbs.
you bastard
“You’d think mister numbers man G of all people would be asking for numbers to back a claim of disproportionate results. Or don’t numbers matter when there’s a chance to slime someone outside the CC fold?”
I agree. Please provide the numbers that back your claim that they have not experienced disproportionate results. Unless, of course, you are admitting that you do not know and your defense is based on nothing more than the money they pay you? Come on, give us your heralded transparency.
“Everything I do on the Internet is on a completely straight-up, transparent basis.”
Excellent. Then please be transparent in your refutation of groove’s claim. Where’s your proof?
Also, while on the topic of your straight-up transparency, have you made your video of Alan Lev explaining Belgravia’s 565 Quincy price guarantee available for viewing again? You said you took it down after their price cuts in order not to confuse their intelligent buyers who chose to learn lessons from the likes of you and Lev, “knowing that their decisions might take them off a cliff”? Wouldn’t a “completely straight-up, transparent basis” mean that you wouldn’t make a video disappear?
Nice call on the video G.
sadly he is gone and dont think is coming back. With two facts against him and really no proof to disprove it all he can do is hide and post a link to a video of another one of his clients in another posting.
If your bored G we can talk about al the suckers that bought at 235 van buren. I think the have gone to a “rent to own” program to sucker more into all the empty units.
seriously have you seen the people who “rent to own” furniture, cant imagine who they wil get to rent to own a vanilla box failed condo?
G, Groove
Honest people know there are no “facts” in issue because neither of you have supplied any.
Instead you want to try to slime me and some of the most accomplished and honest developers in Chicago. You make charges – it’s up to you to substantiate them. That’s what adults do.
You want facts – Belgravia took an honorable approach to all of the buyers at 565 Quincy – before and after the price-cutting. You want to see the video – here it is, now that it can no longer cause confusion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz9EdXloihQ
The video was shot in September of 2008, prior to Quincy’s completion and before any buyers had moved in. Talk to the buyers and see if any of them agree with you about Lev.
I’ve talked to a number of buyers at 235 Van Buren, and none of them can fairly be called “suckers” – but then fairness is not a concept that you guys have any acquaintance with. Any acquaintance at all.
The two of you are behaving like dishonest, disgusting guttersnipes. No one with any sense grants you any credibility at all.
G’s a laughingstock to people outside of the CC mind warp – a guy who gets high praise here for doing nothing more than any rookie Realtor can do on the MLS, and who exhibits no actual knowledge beyond that.
And Groove? A guy who spends his days cheating his employer out of an honest day’s work playing junior high class clown.
“G’s a laughingstock to people outside of the CC mind warp – a guy who gets high praise here for doing nothing more than any rookie Realtor can do on the MLS, and who exhibits no actual knowledge beyond that.”
Who could of known?
Please provide the numbers that back your claim that your other client has not experienced disproportionate zoning change results. Unless, of course, you are admitting that you do not know and your defense is based on nothing more than the money they pay you? Come on, give us your heralded transparency.
G,
Show me where I made any claim about results. I don’t know the answer, but merely asserted that the guy making the claim – groove – had the responibility of providing facts.
It’s pretty rich to have a gutless, anonymous guttersnipe questioning my transparency. No one can pay me to do anything dishonest.
I defend a lot of honest people in the real estate business, regardless of whether they pay me. CCers just sit silently by because they don’t want to take the flak from some of the ugly, abusive creeps that spend their days here. I have no doubt that there are a lot of visitors to CC who are nauseated by your behavior.
“I have no doubt that there are a lot of visitors to CC who are nauseated by your behavior.”
That sounds a lot like what I’ve heard from past visitors to your site. Same thing from many who have found you in their sight.
“And Groove? A guy who spends his days cheating his employer out of an honest day’s work playing junior high class clown.”
Good thing I never mentioned how I used to disappear from work on Fridays to catch movies…
“And Groove? A guy who spends his days cheating his employer out of an honest day’s work ”
wow, still the same line you used 3 years ago, 2 years ago, 1 year ago. how is that working so far?
again still waiting for you to post a link disputing my facts. come on Joe i am giving it to you on a platter, i am letting you pick any link you like, even if it is in your (clients) favor.
shoot, there are two other companies that got crooked zoning one tied to Gutierrez. so now i am even soft ball tossing you a few hints to help YOU disprove me the guttersnipe. it cant be any easier Joe.
“Good thing I never mentioned how I used to disappear from work on Fridays to catch movies”
i miss working in the loop and taking 3 hour lunches and summer hours and early happy hour and getting xmas shopping done at lunch
The line’s working better than you are, Groove.
I still haven’t seen an actual fact from you, and I’m not holding my breath.
You made an accusation. Back it up or continue appearing to be a pathetic, contemptible, cowardly fool.
You want a link? Here’s a link that’s fitting:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contemptible
“Back it up or continue appearing to be a pathetic, contemptible, cowardly fool.”
Joe,
I have seen him call out more than 1 person to meet him in a bar for some good ‘ol fashion fisticuffs.. So be more accurate and refer to him only as “pathetic and contemptible.”
“i miss working in the loop and taking 3 hour lunches and summer hours and early happy hour and getting xmas shopping done at lunch”
The only thing I miss about work is the one I affectionately referred to as “stairwell girl”
“The line’s working better than you are, Groove”
good stuff LOL
“continue appearing to be a pathetic, contemptible, cowardly fool.”
learned long ago in grade school lunch room, that the first one to call the other names during a debate is the one who lost. i am not hungry or hot tempered so baiting me doesnt work. i does entertain me, as i find it funny that such a well educated, well healed, jack of all trades, and person who runs a media blog that your first reaction is the lowest common denominator.
“You want a link? Here’s a link that’s fitting:”
LOL went to all that trouble to find a link for a definition of the word. when it would have been way easier to provide a link to help your clients and disprove the groove.
even more LOL all the time you wasted with the mindless back and forth with me, and all you need to do three days ago was provide a link that shuts me up.
oh wait thats right no such link exists i guess.
groove you are arguing with a paid advertisement. the more he responds the more he is paid, you ask him questions and cranks out another commercial. the developers cut a check.
“groove you are arguing with a paid advertisement. the more he responds the more he is paid, you ask him questions and cranks out another commercial. the developers cut a check.”
Groove putting america to work, do you think i can get a receipt and file it under charitable donations? I enjoy helping the less fortunate.
i mean look at it this way in his old age at least he is not collecting cans to make ends meat.
this whole thing has me reevaluating my 401k and retirement investments after seeing what one has to do to cover the difference between social security and cost of living
“Groove putting america to work”
and often while “stealing from your employer”. you are a regular robin hood
“and often while “stealing from your employer”. you are a regular robin hood”
It’s all groove has left since Sabrina started blocking his posts that began with “I am Prince Ogunda Numba Mumba, I am contacting you because I have $90,000,000 in funds in a Swiss account that I need your assistance to have released….”
“So be more accurate and refer to him only as “pathetic and contemptible.””
yes it took me almost 24 hours before i said, HEY WTH
but all forgiven with the price of kenya reference. As i pulled out the eddie murphy coming to america vhs to watch this weekend.
Still waiting Joey Z,
any word on a ETA for the link you are supposed to provide?
Hey,
its Monday and still no link from you. I guess being an unscrupulous Shill has you working weekends.
Ze, remind me to up my retirement funding i would really hate spending my golden years defending crooks on the internet and videotaping random people just to pay my rent and cover food for the week.
“Ze, remind me to up my retirement funding”
Always remember HD’s 2 rules of retirement investing:
1-Never take investment advice from a stoner.
2- Canned goods, one can never have enough canned goods.
And they won’t be golden years anyway, you will have liver spots, your pecker won’t function, it will hurt to walk, you’ll have frequent giant thrombosed hemorrhoids, probably pis yourself and sit there not remembering you pissed yourself, be robbed by your children or get raped walking through the GZ, you won’t taste food, your hearing and vision will be worse than Hellen Keller, you’ll be pooping yourself and not remembering that you just pooped yourself, which will be mixing with the aforementioned pissing of yourself. <— This will not help as you hit on 17 year old girls that walk through the Walgreens in West Palm Beach and now describe you to the security guard as "creepy".
…but you will have a senior discount on the Metro and plenty of canned goods!!!
“1-Never take investment advice from a stoner.”
*still better than taking advice from a failed RE investor who needs to spend more time with his patients.
*or a random trader who uses a chicago re blog to pump up his stocks
*or a blog author who uses her grandma as an example on stocks trading
if given the choice i will take the stoner at full on blitz as his guess is better than any logical one anyways.
You’re the one who made the charges, Groove, which means you’re the one who owes the link to substantiate them. Everyone recognizes that, and you do nothing but make a fool of yourself by ignoring that fact.
You probably also know that you have little hope of retiring as comfortably as I will. Is that what’s eating you, Groove?
Do I recall correctly your once having posted that you were underpaid, and that’s what justified your failure to put in an honest day’s work?
“Everyone recognizes that,”
who is everyone? as from you own words that yo chicago gets more traffic and people here are troglodytes. so why would i be worried about everyone?
“You probably also know that you have little hope of retiring as comfortably as I will.”
joe explain to me how spending your retirement days arguing with people on the internet on behalf of your clients to collect a check is something to be admirable of?
“Is that what’s eating you, Groove?”
actually when i retire i would like to walk around with nice video camera just like you, but i think i will use it to video tape my grandkids instead of interview people who got suckered into 235 van buern for a paycheck and video taping 15 years old’s at Glenco beach. (btw that video was a bit creepy)
“Do I recall correctly your once having posted that you were underpaid”
yes like every other person on the planet, so great deduction there Einstein. and BTW that wasnt me who said i was underpaid thats why i dont do work. but i understand and am empathetic as i can see old age is taking the toll on the memory.
so again explain to me with a billion other things to do on the internet this is what your retirement looks like?
joey z here is a internet hug ( ) i hope it makes your day shine
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong.
come joey z, show the people that your superior than a random gutless, anonymous guttersnipe.
so far you have showed you are just as bad if not worse than us on CC as you also posted no facts on anything you have said.
if not Joey Z i will welcome you to the guttersnipe club
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong
still havent proved me wrong you shill, i am going to post once a day here for a year and link to this post in every other post you make.
bump
Joe Zekas was never succussful at the two dozen or so “careers” he had, which you’d think by random probability given that number there should’ve at least been one or two peppered in there he was mildly proficient at and enjoyed, but alas. So no retirement for him.
Bob,
Celebrating my 25th year of owning a successful, profitable business with major newspaper and broker clients around the country.
http://databasedads.com
Do you never tire of making a fool of yourself?
Your point JZ? You’re still a scumbag. Nothing changes. Funny how you have such a warped sense of reality.
“Celebrating my 25th year of owning a successful, profitable business with major newspaper and broker clients around the country.
http://databasedads.com”
nice you can provide a link to shill something but cant provide a link to disprove my FACTS.
The point’s obvious, homedelete. Bob is a shameless serial liar.
And you’re proving yourself as loutish as ever. In the reality-based world beyond CribChatter, anyone who anonymously calls others names is a moral leper.
Groove,
I can’t disprove a fact until you supply one. You continue to fail to do that, and continue trying to divert attention from your failure. Hint: a vague allusion is not a fact.
“Groove,
I can’t disprove a fact until you supply one”
i supplied one many times over, not just in this thread but in others every time me and you go back and forth on this.
so again its on you to provide a fact to disprove what i said here or the fact i stated last year and the one i gave you in 2010 about the same subject.
until then i will consider you a part of our guttersnipe club, we are in need of a treasurer as the previous one got us for 5k
good morning
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong
groove you know he’s not going to post one bc he cant. he will just come back and call you a name, proclaim the greatness of some developer and send them a bill for a dollar fifty.
“and send them a bill for a dollar fifty.”
shyt, he got a raise? i guess some are doing good in this economy
trolling is recession proof
“trolling is recession proof”
damn baby boomers screwing us again
just the morning reminder of how slimey you are
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong
Top of the morning Joey Z
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong
its a beautiful morning and what way to start a work day other than remind Joey Z to man up.
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong
Dont be fooled, it was only a long holiday weekend, i am back now.
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong
You need to mention by name or client’s name
seriously…do you NOT know how to play bloody mary? 🙂
ill start you finish
Joey Z, Joey Z……..
are there any side bets on when i will give this up?
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong Joey Z
oh man i almost forgot…
…I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong Joey Z
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong Joey Z
happy monday all
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong Joey Z
i shall not quit
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong Joey Z
nothing better than waking up and posting this…
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong Joey Z
Joey, joey, Joey, I really thought better of you. As argumentative you are even when you are wrong you used to still put up a fight.
I will keep this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong Joey Z
I am still keeping this thread alive until you post a link proving me wrong Joey Z!!!!!!!