We Won’t Have Nate Berkus To Chatter About Anymore: 1325 N. Astor Sells In The Gold Coast
Aw shucks. A girl goes on vacation only to find out when she returns that we won’t have Nate Berkus’ Gold Coast apartment at 1325 N. Astor to chatter about anymore.
Thanks to those who posted on the sale.
If you recall, we discussed this 3-bedroom vintage unit several times over the past couple of years.
See our March 2012 chatter here.
Originally listed 2 years ago for $2.65 million, some of you thought in 2011 that it might sell for around $1.75 million.
The unit recently sold for $1.6 million, or just $100,000 over the 2003 purchase price.
Berkus renovated the unit but kept the original St. Charles metal cabinets in the kitchen and the Samuel Marx paneling.
According to the listing, there were new hardwood floors, a rehabbed master bath with custom English tub and a reconfigured master suite.
It also had two-zone air conditioning and new electrical.
The unit had an in-unit washer/dryer and a coveted deeded parking spot.
After several years on the market, does the sale (and selling price) of this unit really say much about the upper bracket of the market?
Katherine Chez at Coldwell Banker had the listing. You can still see the interior pictures here in Elle Decor.
And you can also see the listing here.
Unit #8: 3 bedrooms, 4 baths, 3980 square feet, 1 car parking
- Sold in June 2003 for $1.5 million
- Originally listed in January 2011 for $2.65 million
- Reduced
- Was listed in March 2011 at $2.399 million
- Reduced
- Was listed in August 2011 at $2.15 million
- Reduced
- Was listed in March 2012 at $1.995 million
- Sold in January 2013 for $1.6 million
- Assessments of $3816 a month (includes heat and doorman)
- Taxes of $30425
- Central Air
- Washer/Dryer in the unit
- Bedroom #1: 14×20
- Bedroom #2: 14×11
- Bedroom #3: 17×12
“After several years on the market, does the sale (and selling price) of this unit really say much about the upper bracket of the market?”
think it say that the name Nate Berkus doesnt hold as much weight as the original listing price suggests.
on the plus side i really hope someone appeals those taxes. Apparently the name Nate Berkus doenst hold any weight in the berrios office either
HI, does anyone know how I can find the amount of shadow inventory there is by zip code? Also how can I find the current mortgage default rate by zip code? Or if zip code isn’t possible then how can I do it by city?
I am trying to determine if now is the time to buy a home. Or should I wait? That is the ultimate financial conundrum.
For that price you could have a SFH in the GZ, no assessments like those, and a garage with two spots.
The Astor Street location sucks. It’s a sterile neighborhood, nothing to walk to…unless you like the CVS and tourist areas etc. we’ve covered this before. People who try and live a “NYC” lifestyle in Chicago are doomed to failure, this isn’t NYC, so either move to NYC or live like an authentic Chicagoan, and an Astor Street apt. is lame.
Do you mean, “We won’t have Nate Berkus to kick around anymore,” if I may paraphrase Richard Nixon?
“People who try and live a “NYC” lifestyle in Chicago are doomed to failure, this isn’t NYC, so either move to NYC or live like an authentic Chicagoan, and an Astor Street apt. is lame.”
I’ve lived in both and NYC isn’t a walk on the beach. Chicago is more manageable and I see nothing with living in the Gold Coast and wanting to walk places. Yes a lot of those are touristy but so is living in the UES and going to Bloomingdale’s or the museums along 5th.
What exactly is a NYC lifestyle Dan? So this building has been trying to be NY for 80 something years? I mean I get it when someone says (including myself) that the Olive Garden is faux Italian food, or when a suburban born and raised white kid with straightened teeth and antibioticed skin tries to be all hood and shit, I’d say both are trying to be something they’re not. But I don’t see how this Chicago apartment that has been around long before the relatively recent media induced star f*cking helped give NYC its current ‘edge’, was ever trying to be anything other than what it is… a nice place in a big city. Becase someone wears sunglasses on a bright day they’re trying to be all LA?
NYC was new amstersdam long before ms o’leary’s cow kicked over the latern. Chicago has its own urban flavor distinct from NYC without the legacy of the rockafellers. I wouldn’t say it’s doomed to fail to live in a crowded urban environment but Bud Fox lived in a high rise while traders in Chicago live in Sfh or flats in Lincoln park.
“For that price you could have a SFH in the GZ, no assessments like those, and a garage with two spots.”
We all don’t want to live like that Dan. I don’t want a SFH where I have to do all the maintenance and upkeep. A SFH is a ton of work. And maybe I’m prominent like Mr. Berkus and I really don’t want someone:
1. Snooping around my house taking pictures of me in my living room (I’m shocked Rosie bought a SFH during her brief time here in Chicago- but then she ultimately ended up spending most of the time in a high rise- right?)
2. Possibly breaking in? A SFH is a lot less secure than a high rise. This IS a concern for many celebrities and even those of us of lesser ilk.
I once read an interview with a big time Hollywood actress who bought a rowhouse in NYC but said she had to move because of the paparazzi, tourists and others who were constantly out front taking pictures in her windows. She had to keep her window shades drawn 24/7 and decided that wasn’t any way to live. So she bought in a high rise instead.
“People who try and live a “NYC” lifestyle in Chicago are doomed to failure, this isn’t NYC, so either move to NYC or live like an authentic Chicagoan, and an Astor Street apt. is lame.”
The Astor Street mid-rises were probably built before 95% to 99% of the single family homes in the GZ. So which is the “authentic” Chicago lifestyle? The apartment in the sky or the house if the big luxury apartment buildings were all built first?
Hm…my guess is on the apartment in the sky.
“HI, does anyone know how I can find the amount of shadow inventory there is by zip code? Also how can I find the current mortgage default rate by zip code? Or if zip code isn’t possible then how can I do it by city?”
Nick, look on Zillow. It has the shadow inventory by zip code.
How does Zillow find shadow listings. If its shadow listings are compute like its Zestimates then the margin of error is huge.
Zillow is using data that is already public but is just making it easier for us to search it. Most of its listings have already gone into foreclosure in some way (lis pendens filed etc.) In some cases, the house is bank owned but the bank hasn’t listed it yet.
Here’s more: http://firsttuesdayjournal.com/zillow-sheds-some-light-on-shadow-inventory/
Go the the CPL and check out the book: Chicago: The Second City A. J. Liebling (Author) from 1952.
Basically, the problem is NYC has a massive urban scene. This little po-dunk Gold Coast area cannot compare. It never has, still doesn’t, and it never will. How can anyone compare the CVS to what you can get street retail on 3rd Ave, or Amsterdam, or Broadway? Come on!!! If you’re going to live like that, move to NYC where the scene is legit. If you’re going to live in Chi-town, have the SFH and the neighborhood vibe. Chicago is about neighborhoods. That was some of the outraged Chicagoans retorts to Leibling…he never got out into the “neighborhoods” where real Chicago exists. These Astor street locales are for weirdos, recluses, and jews who want to act like they’re in New York. That’s about it.
“So this building has been trying to be NY for 80 something years?”
Exactly right. That little Gold Coast pocket over there will never be NYC, it’s totally dead over there at night, and you barely even see anyone walking around on the sidewalks (around Astor). It’s totally lame compared to NYC. That was the part of Chicago that Leibling inhabited and ripped on, for good reason. Nothing has changed.
But Dan-you don’t get it.
Chicago is the home of the skyscraper. We were the first city to build buildings where people could live and work vertically. Not NYC. In the 1910-1920 era, these luxury high rises (like 1325 N. Astor) were being built all along the lake front from Hyde Park north to Belmont. It wasn’t just the Gold Coast and they weren’t trying to be “like NYC.” Why would they? Chicago was in a class by itself in the 1910s. We had our own rich.
Take a look at this picture of Oak Street Beach from 1940 to remember what the city REALLY looked like. The rich didn’t live in single family homes then. So why should they now?
http://chuckmancollectionvolume15.blogspot.com/2010/03/postcard-chicago-oak-street-beach.html
Why are you so hung up on NYC? No one else is on this site. It’s about celebrating Chicago. If you want to live in NYC, go live there. People live in Chicago for their own reasons (because it’s fantastic and has great architecture.) And if the Gold Coast isn’t a “neighborhood” then I don’t know what is (certainly not River North, Streeterville, the South Loop or any host of other “neighborhoods.”)
On the shadow inventory question and Sabrina’s answer. As a Realtor I can tell you that Sabrina is absolutely correct. I’m constantly getting calls from clients who see homes for sale on Zillow which are not showing up anywhere on MLS. Not for sale, under contract or recently sold. I finally figured out that these were properties that has just been sold back to the bank in a judicial sale. That then triggers the home to show up in Zillow and some other listing services. Although I figured out that these properties were in that limbo stage between foreclosure and full REO active listing, I wasn’t sure how or why. Thanks for linking that article Sabrina. It really explained the process well.
As far as Nate goes, not sorry to see him finally moved completely on from Chg. For some reason he’s always bugged me. I think it’s because he’s one of the long list of people who I feel would not be famous if it weren’t for Oprah. Oprah loved him and suddenly he’s the best designer in the country. Yet when I saw his work, although nice, it never made me go ‘wow that’s amazing.. how did he think to do that?’ Instead I felt it was always just a variation of a 5th avenue co-op apartment. White walls, b/w randomly placed Hampton’s look summer photos. Random mixture of era/style classic or designer pieces of furniture with the required splash of color. Same thing we’ve seen for 40+ years in Town & Country, Arc Digest.
“After several years on the market, does the sale (and selling price) of this unit really say much about the upper bracket of the market?”
Not really.
As for all of the NYC v. Chicago talk, that’s pointless. I know, there’s an impulse to do so, but just because they’re the two biggest urban centers doesn’t demand that they be compared (I know LA’s bigger, but it’s not centeralized like NYC and Chicago, among other nonurban attributes). I’ve lived in both, and I was constantly comparing the two when I first moved here. But cities can have subways, financial districts, tall buildings, etc. and still be distinct places. And as Jay points out, folks haven’t been striving to live the NYC life in the Gold Coast for the better part of a century.
As for this location, sure, it’s dead at night. But so are most of the city’s nicest streets. On the rare occassion that we find ourselves in, say, Bucktown, it makes me a little bit nostalgic for NY, but not really, and not for long. And while it might be one of the closest retail establishments, it’s not like the CVS is the end of the line. I think there are a few other places just a block or so away. And I don’t think folks living on this block of Astor have too hard a time walking the extra block or two to get to the V Triangle or down to Mich Ave. They can always hop in a cab right outside their door (something that’s not always so convenient for SFH occupants in most hoods), or they can just drive their cars, being midwesterners and all. Astor (and State and Dearborn) along its northern most few blocks is not only nice (the nicest?) in terms of homes, trees, etc., but it offers (from many homes) the benefit of lake views without being right on LSD and nearly immediate access to the lake, as well as direct access to the south entrance of the park.
Sorry that there’s no post this morning. The IAR was supposed to release the December monthly sales at 8:00 am but apparently whomever is in charge is late to work from a three day weekend.
I’ll report on it tomorrow.
Today there will just be one post at the lunch hour (sorry about that.)
The market is getting really interesting. Super low inventory but buyers are out there. I’m seeing a lot of new listings go under contract almost instantly.
If you have a property you want to sell in 2013- list it now.
if we’re not gonna have a new post, perhaps everyone would like to chime in on their super bowl picks
http://www.chicagonow.com/adventures-house-hunting/2013/01/super-bowl-brings-start-of-real-estate-season/
is the site broken again?
i dont see a new post today?
since the update to the site it seems to always be slow or down?
Sabrina,
Does your advice (if you have a property list it now) hold for Evanston?
Thanks!
Linda
wouldn’t that depend on when you bought your property? and what can you take in terms of a expected loss/gain?
“i really hope someone appeals those taxes”
That tax bill was based on the 188,797 AV for 2011. The 2012 assessor certified AV is 257,041–AND it *was* appealed, and was not adjusted. Was appealed in 03 (win), 05 (loss), 06 (twice-win), 09 (twice-loss).
If you have anything less than $500 million in assets you need to sell
Between the socialist in the WH new taxes and the municipal troubles ahead, these leftist dirtballs will do everything they can to tax those with money because THEY KNOW THE MIDDLE CLASS IS GOING TO BEAR THE BRUNT OF IT ALL and they
want to make it look like they went after the Ultra Wealthy when the garbage comes down on the rest of us
“perhaps everyone would like to chime in on their super bowl picks”
Are you splitting up your blogging? BTW, if you post your financial details, I’m sure you’ll get some free analysis here. Maybe sonies and laura lou will even chime in.
jay
“or when a suburban born and raised white kid with straightened teeth and antibioticed skin tries to be all hood and shit, I’d say both are trying to be something they’re no”
judging people by their skin color is sooooo lefty of you
so that would mean that a black kid from the hood trying to be wealthy and live a good straight life is bull too
what is your problem!!!!
FWIW, I prefer a highrise over a SFH. SFH’s don’t appeal to me in an “urban” environements. Quotes becuase I question how a place can be considered urban with a bunch of SFH’s. You just can’t get the density.
“wouldn’t that depend on when you bought your property? and what can you take in terms of a expected loss/gain”
From what I’ve seen and I’m an arm chair hobbyist, prices have stablized. I think Sabrina is saying, if you want to sell at prices you’ve seen neighbors getting in the past 6 months, it’s a good time.
“so that would mean that a black kid from the hood trying to be wealthy and live a good straight life is bull too
what is your problem!!!!”
Did anyone read an article in the Trib about a rapper from Dolton who signed some kind of record contract and moved out of Dolton and rented a house in Northbrook? Northbrook police were notified and have been keeping an eye out on the house. The rapper does have a criminal background and there’s something going on where he needs to keep his residence in Dolton and has stated that the house in Northbrook is rented by his Uncle and he just sleeps over occasionally, but is not living there.
“SFH’s don’t appeal to me in an “urban” environements. … You just can’t get the density.”
Do you know which zip code in Chicago has the highest density? 60626
Know how many zips in the US (that aren’t dense *solely* because they are tiny–like the zip in Seatlte with 180 people, but 51,000/sq mi), and outside the NYC metro, are more dense than 60626? 8: 1 in Boston, 3 in LA and 4 in Boston.
So, it seems that your position would be that–aside from small pockets fo a couple of cities–NYC (and a couple of areas near NYC) is the only place in the US that is ‘urban’.
“Do you know which zip code in Chicago has the highest density? 60626”
Are you going by site below? The map for 60611 can’t be right, can it?
http://zipatlas.com/us/il/chicago/zip-60611.htm
“I think there are a few other places just a block or so away. And I don’t think folks living on this block of Astor have too hard a time walking the extra block or two to get to the V Triangle or down to Mich Ave.”
$3,000 per month assessments for walking distance to Five Faces and CVS make living in the subject property a joke compared to a SFH in a good location. Most people who are successful and would live in the subject property are going to be over-50 and inclined to sobriety, either by nature (i.e. not drunken losers) or because of age (too old for the hangovers), so the whole idea of them walking down to the bars at the VTriangle is nutty.
make that $3,800 per month assessments….
“walking distance to Five Faces and CVS make living in the subject property a joke compared to a SFH in a good location”
What locations would be better for a SFH than the northern most few blocks of Astor, State and Dearborn (and the east/west cross streets)?
I’m keen on that one rowhouse on Bellevue for $1.5 million. If i was rich, that’s what I would buy.
This unit is great. I don’t think it’s 1.6MM great though. I used to live in Chicago, now in NYC. I agree with Sabrina that the comparisons are pointless. It’s sad how certain Chicagoans feel so insecure about their own city. It shows great insecurity to say they should move to NYC to live a certain lifestyle.
“It’s sad how certain Chicagoans feel so insecure”
Like ‘Man Getting Hit by Football’, it works on so many levels.
“It’s sad how certain Chicagoans feel so insecure about their own city. It shows great insecurity to say they should move to NYC to live a certain lifestyle.”
Hmmm….where did Nate Berkus go after he left this unit?
Just like some of the SFH owners who love to “trick out” their patios with chimineas, outdoor grills and TVs, fire pits, etc. They’re telling you that they’re “insecure” too?…and they usually move to San Diego, Dallas, AZ, etc.
NY’ers are hilarious because walk up and down 3rd Ave or Amsterdam Ave. and you see them having their little Epcot-like nights out, pretending they are eating/drinking in Phuket, Tuscany, Tokyo or Dublin or whatever. There’s no actual NY culture, a bunch of insecure transplants eating in their Epcot-center fake realities.
“Most people who are successful and would live in the subject property are going to be over-50 and inclined to sobriety, either by nature (i.e. not drunken losers) or because of age (too old for the hangovers)’
Oh shit, so I’ve got a couple of more years before I have to stop drinking? Don’t wanna be a drunken loser or face a hangover. True they’re probably not going to bars like a 20 something would, but ever heard of a restaurant… I think they still serve booze there, in fact I hope they do as I headed to one tonight to load up before my time is up.
“Hmmm….where did Nate Berkus go after he left this unit?”
So I guess Mr. Berkus continues with his life of insecurity as he’s currently selling his NY place to live in LA, because as we all know, LA is a authentic/real as it gets: hanging out at the Grove, just like being in the Loop. Maybe he’ll trick out his patio because that’s one place where its authentic to do so… in southern CA… no pretending… no transplants… nothing Epcot-like… no fake realities… in… LA.
Well, Jay…maybe we can agree that living in a SFH in a Chicago neighborhood is authentic. That’s what I was saying all along!
“So I guess Mr. Berkus continues with his life of insecurity as he’s currently selling his NY place to live in LA.”
He is? His NYC apartment was just in architectural digest a few months ago.
“Sabrina,
Does your advice (if you have a property list it now) hold for Evanston?”
Yes. Things are even more dismal in some of the popular suburbs. If you have a move-in ready SFH in Evanston – price it right and it will sell within days.
I never said that if you bought in 2005 that you will get a 2005 price. Prices are still about 35% under the peak in most areas. But this is the new Chicago housing market. Prices have corrected and now sellers have to deal with the reality that they will still likely lose money (even though sales have picked up.) But as long as you remove the emotion from it (hard, I know)- and you price it right- you will sell it quickly. There are plenty of examples of this in Chicago right now. I’ll cover some later this week.
“If you have a move-in ready SFH in Evanston – price it right and it will sell within days.”
why has this been on the market for almost a year? http://www.redfin.com/IL/Winnetka/1228-Oak-St-60093/home/13786222
(actually was long market time listing, now new listing, down from $750K)…what’s this place worth?
That is really an ugly duckling for Winnetka, both the interior and exterior. Would fit in a lot better in Skokie. It probably hasn’t sold because most people who want to live in Winnetka have better taste, and also because a house like this would cost $500,000 or less in most parts of the north suburbs.
‘He is? His NYC apartment was just in architectural digest a few months ago.’
Yes he is moving or has already moved to LA, and his NY place is up for sale or will shortly be. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/nate-berkus-jeremiah-brent_n_2318536.html His previous house in Old Town (Mohawk south or Armitage), the one that he said he was spiritually connected to (in the magazine interview that is) sold, as did ‘this is where I belong’ Astor Street place (another magazine interview). Not a bad gig… find a place, “renovate it’, get it published, jack up the price, move along. So much for NY authenticity Dan.
“Yes. Things are even more dismal in some of the popular suburbs. If you have a move-in ready SFH in Evanston – price it right and it will sell within days”
Sure, a well priced, move in ready home in a highly desirable area will move fast. But I don’t know about the supply being worse up there. When I get depressed about the slim prospects (in our “reach” range) in my preferred city hoods, and then I look at Evanston, Wilmette and other NS areas, as I’ve said on here before, I pretty much need to step away from the computer and focus my mind on (i) how much longer the commute would be, (ii) what proportion of my life that added commute would be, and (iii) what challenges/limitations we would face with respect to both parents working. We just spent an afternoon in Evanston at a friends’ house – nothing fancy, but a great location and about twice the space as our current home, within walking distance of a great elem, a few places to eat and transportation. Basically, were it not for the premium we currently place on living (where we live) in the city, our next move would be pretty easy. And while I see a fair number (i.e., far more than ELP) of attractive options in the plum sections of the NS (east of GB), there are tons of amazing places available just west of GB, from central/west Kworth up through HP. And the supply is only going to grow, as boomers gradually move on (and no, they’re not all going to move to the city to buy up the generic 2/2’s).
““If you have a move-in ready SFH in Evanston – price it right and it will sell within days”
“why has this been on the market for almost a year?”
umm because its not priced *right that simple
yes its one of the cheaper homes in winnetka, but that house in neighboring kenilworth would even be less there, about 500k in glencoe, probably 400k on glenview/northbrook, and about 250k in mathewlesko’s hood so why pay over 700k?
Yes- but anonny- they’re NOT move-in ready. And the prices are still too high for Generation X (even for the more space.) Paying over $500,000 for a house is NOT middle class. That is upper middle class. There are only so many of those buyers to go around. Just think about how many $1 million+ properties sold in the 9 county Chicago area last year. It was only about 1500. How many properties are there over that price that are out there owned by boomers? A gazillion.
Inventories of move-in ready homes at affordable prices are still really, really low in all the upscale cities like the North Shore, Park Ridge, Oak Park etc. Lots of upper bracket houses sitting there though.
I know someone who was trying to sell a $1 million+ home on the North Shore for 3 years. They simply started too high (at $1.7 million). They were boomers wanting to downsize to the city. But they weren’t going to “give it away.” The bathrooms hadn’t been renovated in years. The kitchen had- but it was an older enclosed kitchen and all the Generation X buyers who looked at the house said, “we want an open kitchen.” They eventually sold it for $1.05 million.
The North Shore homes weren’t built with today’s buyers in mind. Who needs that dining room in the front of the house anymore? Buyers want a kitchen open to a den/great room. They want big spa baths. We see the same problem in Sauganash and other older Chicago neighborhoods too. Unless the boomer homeowners have renovated- then it’s going to be a hard sell.
You DO get more for your money than the city- that I agree.
“Yes he is moving or has already moved to LA, and his NY place is up for sale or will shortly be.”
I hope he makes some money on it because it wasn’t good on the Chicago property. I always looked at his real estate purchases as indicative of his career, really. He originally had a cute 1-bedroom in 73 E. Elm about 10 years ago. (so he clearly likes the pre-war type buildings.) But that was pre-Oprah and he probably wasn’t earning that much money.
He only moved up when he got the endorsement deals and made more money (like everyone else whose career takes off.) Before his current NYC place, though, he owned a small 1-bedroom in the East Village (which I think was his first NYC apartment.) I wonder if he still owns that? He bought it for like $500k.
Not surprised he’s moving to LA. The design business CAN be done anywhere. He probably flies all around the world doing his job anyway. Plenty of money in LA and plenty of celebrities who must re-do every house they buy. (I still have dreams, however, of that green kitchen makeover he did on Kristie Alley’s kitchen on the Oprah Show all those years ago. Fantastic!)
“why has this been on the market for almost a year? http://www.redfin.com/IL/Winnetka/1228-Oak-St-60093/home/13786222”
It’s clearly not priced right. I’m not familiar enough with the Winnetka market to comment on each individual property. But if you have a house that has been on the market for a year – in THIS market- then it’s not priced right. Properties are going under contract in a day if priced right.
westloopelo- thanks for calling out Dan on his irrelevant comment but I have removed his comment and your response because it just leads us down a dark path that I know you agree we don’t want to go.
Let’s keep the discussion about real estate. Thanks.
“Not surprised he’s moving to LA. The design business CAN be done anywhere”
Ask Phil Mickelson if he likes living in california
“And while I see a fair number (i.e., far more than ELP) of attractive options in the plum sections of the NS (east of GB), there are tons of amazing places available just west of GB, from central/west Kworth up through HP.”
Would you say that you place a significant premium on the “prestige” of a housing location? That’s always the vibe I’ve gotten from you.
” there are tons of amazing places available just west of GB, from central/west Kworth up through HP.”
Let’s see them… and compare them to LV and North Center SFH inventory.
“Would you say that you place a significant premium on the “prestige” of a housing location? That’s always the vibe I’ve gotten from you.”
I guess vibes can be hard to read online. I can think of lots of prestigious locations in which I’d have no interest in living (or even spending more than a few hours).
So, you are a prestige snob, but you don’t want to be lumped in with the other prestige snobs who actually have lower standards than you? When you go on and on about “ELP” you cite proximity to Parker, but wouldn’t locations East of GBR be worse from a school access perspective?
“When you go on and on about “ELP” you cite proximity to Parker”
You added an ‘er’ there.
He goes on and on (and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ) about proximity to the *park* and. thus, Lake Michigan. That Parker and Latin are also proximate is somewhat a happy accident, assuming, of course, lil’nonny gets in.
Also, but less so, about proximity to work.
Yes, yes, yes and yes.
Then why not Buena Park, Edgewater, Rogers Park, Evanston, etc.?
” JJJ (January 23, 2013, 2:51 pm)
Then why not Buena Park, Edgewater, Rogers Park, Evanston, etc.?”
come on in good conciseness how would that look/sound to other people? Hey come on by this weekend for my kids party in live in East Rodgers Park. there is not enough mustard in the sentence.
Groove: Did you bump your head? Get to the hospital now! And get someone else to drive.
“Groove: Did you bump your head? Get to the hospital now! And get someone else to drive.”
sorry trying to type while mentally figuring out if the lakers, nets, kevin love trade would work out
“I guess vibes can be hard to read online. I can think of lots of prestigious locations in which I’d have no interest in living (or even spending more than a few hours).”
Also, your actual (as opposed to aspirational) residence isn’t *that* prestigious as I understand it, other than location. So a v specific location snob.
“That Parker and Latin are also proximate is somewhat a happy accident”
Somewhat, but somewhat not, no?
“assuming, of course, lil’nonny gets in”
When do they decide? Soon?
Agree in general about west of GB on NS, but there are different “west of GBs” depending on the town. West of GB in Glencoe and Winnetka tends to be as charming as east of GB in those towns, though the houses tend to be slightly smaller and closer together. But still very charming.
Up here in HP, although there are some beautiful streets west of GB, there are also a lot of horrid 1960s sub-divisions that just don’t exist east of GB, so you have to be careful to check the neighborhood first. In some cases in HP, you can buy cheaper east of GB and be in a much more charming neighborhood than west (as long as you don’t mind smaller homes that are closer together, as well as being able to walk to stores/train/lake, etc.