Get 8 Bedrooms and Stained Glass For Under $850K in Uptown: 4527 N. Malden
This 8-bedroom “mini-mansion” at 4527 N. Malden in Uptown has been on the market for ten months.
Built in 1908 on an oversized 50×143 lot, it has most of its original architectural features intact including the original hardwood floors, stained glass windows, beamed ceilings, oakd and mahogany trim, pocket doors and a grand entry with an oak staircase.
The kitchen sports wood cabinets and white appliances.
5 of the bedrooms are on the second floor with the remaining three on the third floor.
There is also an unfinished basement.
The house has been reduced $140,000 since May of 2011.
What price will it take to get someone to take this on?
Andrew Gersten at Prudential Rubloff has the listing. See the pictures here.
4527 N. Malden: 8 bedrooms, 4 baths, no square footage listed, 2 car garage
- Looks like it was last sold in July 1998
- Lis pendens foreclosure filed in March 2011
- Originally listed in May 2011 for $985,000
- Reduced
- Currently listed for $845,000
- Taxes of $5718
- No central air
- Bedroom #1: 15×15 (second floor)
- Bedroom #2: 13×15 (second floor)
- Bedroom #3: 15×11 (second floor)
- Bedroom #4: 13×11 (second floor)
- Bedroom #5: 13×11 (second floor)
- Bedroom #6: 27×14 (third floor)
- Bedroom #7: 16×14 (third floor)
- Bedroom #8: 21×13 (third floor)
Icarusbait . . . though I believe I’ve resolved to live much more west of here, even if I could afford this price.
Near original condition (one bad kitchen – more lurking?) big house next to a big apartment building likely filled with transient renters…not $850,000. Tax bill assumes property is worth far less, a white elephant that should sell for $500,000 at most, because in its unimproved state new buyer will likely need to replace electrical service from alley pole onwards throughout entire house to each room and electrical outlet, replace plumbing risers and laterals as well as modernize fixtures/add showers, replace furnace, add central air/spacepak, construct and equip new kitchen, etc. Easily another $250,000.
And you still have Uptown location and transient Section 8 renter population to contend with, including the peanut gallery watching you from that apartment building as you host your garden parties. Takes a certain buyer.
Fabulous house…not so fabulous location, especially being next to the apartment building. I hope someone buys this and keeps it maintained.
A beautiful home! I know people will rant on about Uptown, but I don’t think this is a bad location either. Redo the floors, update the kitchen and maybe combine some of the third floor bedrooms to make a family room and you’ve got a great home.
I love the vintage bath, I hope it stays as-is and the basement should be kept unfinished for storage and make the third floor into the family area I think.
High $700’s I think would be a good deal…
Gorgeous woodwork! That built-in hutch! Stained glass! Love!!! Sure, the kitchen needs to be redone and it would also be helpful to teleport the home to another location, but but details, details. Helpful hint for the eventual purchaser — hardwired wall mount telephones like the one on the kitchen (I was mometarily blinded by the huge TV but then recovered) can be easily changed to a control panel for a wired security system. This clearly would be a useful addition here.
great house but I’d make sure to have one hell of a security system. Living next to a large apartmetn building like that in uptown is what appraisers call ‘external obsolescence”; of all the possible external obsolescence situations, including freeways, busy streets, near el, power lines, (or clio’s sewage plant), living next to a large apartment in uptown is probably the highest on that list.
I’d rather live on the freeway on ramp than live next to transient in uptown who, from their bathroom window, can watch me leave my apt in the morning and return in the evening each and everyday. They have 40+ hours a week to figure out and scheme a way to break into my place and steal my shit.
The apartment building next door, while tall is very narrow so I am not sure how many apartments could be in the building total. Anyways, Bob Hope supposedly lived there….so it has to be nice, right? 🙂
http://realtymortgageco.com/neighborhoods/buenapark/4521nmalden
Beautiful house. Dayum. It’s hard to make sense of this one with the location and the work needed but I just want it SO badly.
Also, you guys know that not every apartment building in uptown is a transient hotel, right? I think the immediate location is actually pretty decent. The problem is, if you want to take the el you are headed to Wilson. As much as I want that to be a non issue, it isn’t going to be for most people. Shooting there yesterday btw – gangbangers missed and hit an innocent in the calf.
I live half a block from here. Our building was converted about a decade ago and has not been broken into or anything. This stretch of Malden is fine, lots of foot traffic and lots of condos. The P Stone crowd used to congregate at Magnolia and Sunnyside, but a cop camera seems to have put the kibosh on that. I walk my dog down the Sunnyside Mall all the time and have never felt unsafe. Baker and Nosh holds down Malden and Wilson pretty nicely. If it were in my price range, I wouldn’t hesitate based on the location.
“Shooting there yesterday btw – gangbangers missed and hit an innocent in the calf.”
Sad what people will do for veal in these parts of town.
600K
Yes and that shooting yesterday was in front of the alderman’s office in the middle of the day
If I had a dozen kids, it would be perfect.
I know someone who had a home like this in Connecticut, and lived there with his wife and one child. There were entire rooms they didn’t even know what to do with. One became a “music room,” another a “sewing room.” Kind of nice if you can afford it.
I’d be wary of living next to the apartment building I see in this photo. Any large apartment building in Uptown is suspect in my book. They attract “the wrong element,” so to speak.
Having sporadically followed UU, it seems that most of the ‘bad elements’ in Uptown revolve around a few buildings on Magnolia and Clifton, in addition to the trouble at Wilson/Broadway. While the Wilson El is being entirely rebuilt, including a complete purge of the WB Mall… possibly leading to improved safety at the station, it is not known when those Section 8 buildings near this home will be gone/turn for the better as well.
For now I would stay away from this property unless it comes at a big discount, but you never know how quickly things ‘might’ change, in which case this 2012 asking could become an absolute steal a few years down the road.
The house in a vacuum is amazing though. Big lot, tons of detail, plenty of bedrooms and bathrooms…
Those subsidized buildings on Clarendon aren’t going anywhere, not for a long time.
How much do people get for Section 8?
“living next to a large apartment in uptown is probably the highest on that list.”
There’s at least one subject I will trust your opinion on, and thats how much it sucks living in an apartment building in uptown near the Wilson stop
“jenny (March 20, 2012, 1:29 pm)
How much do people get for Section 8?”
The landlord charges the ‘market’ rate which is ironic give that it’s usually couple hundred bucks over what a regular rental would cost; but Section 8 payment voucher is divided into two portions: the first is the section 8 payment (in chicago it’s CHAC) which is usually what the regular rental would cost; and the second portion is the tenant portion, which is on a sliding scale depending on income – but it’s commonly accepted that the tenant won’t pay the tenant portion, so the landlord really just gets regular market rate.
Is there a cap on Section 8 rent? Why don’t people who get section 8 live in nicer areas?
Because people in nicer areas fight to keep section 8 housing out of their neighborhood.
“Is there a cap on Section 8 rent? Why don’t people who get section 8 live in nicer areas?”
My friend’s condo association took over a vacant unit in their 4 unit building to rent out. The unit was vacant for years, and they tracked the owner back to his home country. He wanted nothing to do with the unit anymore, but wouldn’t sign the unit over to the association. Anywho, they put the unit up for rent, and rented to a woman and young son who would be paying with Section 8 because payment is guaranteed. Big mistake. Turns out that because the association didn’t own the unit, Section 8 wouldn’t pay for her rent. The amount was $1250/month! There are lots of hoops to jump through to be qualified to rent to Section 8, but I guess they never checked ownership. She then agreed to just pay her portion (30% of her income), but never paid. Then she agreed to pay the assessment only ($125/mo), but has only paid that a few times since she’s lived there, going on 7 months. The association didn’t evict her because apparently, she’s very nice, and always promises to pay, then makes sporadic payments. Meanwhile, the bank has finally foreclosed on the unit, and the association is leaving it up to them to evict her. The point of this long, boring anecdote is that $1250 is a lot more than I thought Section 8 paid, and that will get you a nice-ish rental squarely in the GZ.
Would section 8 cover the rent in one of the trendy new downtown rental buildings or do those buildings not allow section 8?
Real quik because I have to attend a meeting: Landlords have to apply to have a building be designated section 8. They do an inspection. after qualifying you advertise as “section 8”. The tenant comes with a Section 8 voucher (CHAC portion + tenant portion) = full market rent with limitations. YOu have to stay below some rental rate, I don’t know what it is at any given time. The reason you don’t get section 8 in nice neighborhoods is because generally they don’t want to live in the super nice areas; and the rent is usually too expensive in the gold coast for CHAC to cover a 3 bedroom rental or what not. But every once in a while you get some naive owner or assocation who thinks “guaranteed rent” and it’s almost always a freakin disaster. And good luck trying to evict a section 8 tenant – they get free legal service through Lawyer Assistance Foundation (for the kids, they tell me) ….
so….for a tenant getting Section 8 is basically like winning the lottery.
Jenny:
Yes it is. And it’s difficult to get Section 8 too. There’s like a 5 year wait to get on a waiting list, they only open the waiting list like every 5 or 10 years; and then it’s a 5 year wait to get your voucher once you’re on the waiting list. Tens of thousands of people apply to get on the waiting list when it opens up. And when your kids graduate high school or you get a job earning more money, you’re supposed to leave teh section 8 program; but people claim their grandkids, or their nieces/nephews etc as dependents on the section 8 renewals so they can continue getting free housing. Thats why generations lived in public housing – grandma would just claim the grandkids as her dependents because the waiting list was too long for the daughter to get housing in time for her own children and grandma gets to keep her 3 bedroom apartment.
“She then agreed to just pay her portion (30% of her income), but never paid.”
Nothing about that story rings true.
Sorry, that story is at least 98% true. I may be off a few dollars or percentage points, but this has been an ongoing weekly post-volleyball bar story since last fall.
“I’d rather live on the freeway on ramp than live next to transient in uptown who, from their bathroom window, can watch me leave my apt in the morning and return in the evening each and everyday. They have 40+ hours a week to figure out and scheme a way to break into my place and steal my shit.”
Anyone ever see the movie Omega Man with Charlton Heston? I could see hd holed up defending his turf from zombies!
“M.L. (March 20, 2012, 3:36 pm)
“She then agreed to just pay her portion (30% of her income), but never paid.”
Nothing about that story rings true.”
The story appears to be layman’s and 2nd hand version of an ongoing legal drama (which is similar to a case I personally dealt with 3 years ago)
1) Condo assoc obtains possession order against deadbeat owner for unpaid dues;
2) Condo is in good condition so they obtain Section 8 approval because it’s (supposed to be) guaranteed income;
3) Section 8 tenant moves in and is a disaster;
4) Section 8 only pays the legal owner not subletter, condo assoc, etc.
5) Section 8 screws this up (of course they do!) and now condo is filled with a tenant who refuses to pay;
6) Like I said above, tenant never pays their portion (even though they’re supposed to)
7) Board does not have the funds to hire an attorney to evict the tenant because the LAF represents section 8 children for free (it’s for the children folks, where will the children live if the mother is evicted?) and drags the case out in the jury room for months and months and into years;
8) Lawyers who do evictions for section eight tenants charge upwards of $500 – $1000 per month the case goes on, not on an hourly basis, but per month to deal with the nonsense of LAF.
9) Case goes on for months/years until the tenant gets her ‘moving’ voucher so she can find a new section 8 apartment; section 8 can’t move until they get their moving voucher which is essentially permission to leave their current residence.
10) Tenant leaves months/years later and the place is trashed.
11) They never rent to Section 8 again.
Views from the North Shore and Old Irving of Uptown are a little blurry as usual. The “castle” apartment building is fine. The house’s back yard is severely compromised by the building looming over it, yes, but the residents are not a problem. It’s the CHA buildings on Magnolia–yes, probably too close for comfort–that have problems.
This block has a bunch of fab old mansions on it, all seeming in pretty-good repair. It’s pretty.
Of note I had a client once tell me that when he stopped by his property to collect rent on his $350,000! three flat in Humboldt Park, one of his tenants threatened to kill him and his family if he ever visited the property to collect rent again; and well, he never stopped by the property to collect rent again. It wasn’t even worth calling the police. so he just gave up on the property. Of course it’s in foreclosure now but that’s a different story. Not section 8 property but still slumlording…ahhhh the joys of being a landlord…
The 3-flat condo I used to live in with a buddy (the owner) eventually ended up with Section 8 tenants above and below me. Rare was it that a day went by without a screaming domestic disturbance either above or below me.
“homedelete (March 20, 2012, 1:47 pm)
“jenny (March 20, 2012, 1:29 pm)
How much do people get for Section 8?”
The landlord charges the ‘market’ rate which is ironic give that it’s usually couple hundred bucks over what a regular rental would cost; but Section 8 payment voucher is divided into two portions: the first is the section 8 payment (in chicago it’s CHAC) which is usually what the regular rental would cost; and the second portion is the tenant portion, which is on a sliding scale depending on income – but it’s commonly accepted that the tenant won’t pay the tenant portion, so the landlord really just gets regular market rate.”
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What? No.
The landlord charges a set market rate. Period. As a landlord you cannot differ in terms and conditions on pricing (ILLEGAL), and I know of no one who inflates rents EXPECTING Section 8.
A Section 8 tenant must not only apply under the same terms as market rate tenants (application, credit check, other fees, and security deposit apply just the same; credit must also meet the same standard benchmark) but the apartment must also be APPROVED by CHAC for the subsidy. There are criteria to be met before CHAC agrees to provide the subsidy to the landlord. The space must pass an inspection. There are size/space requirements as well, if I remember correctly.
This is why most gentrified neighborhoods will not qualify for Section 8 subsidy — CHAC will not pay for it. Spaces on the lower end are usually smaller or garden. It doesn’t pass their test.
Your anecdote of a landlord raising rents to offset Section 8 makes no sense to me (and it’s also incredibly ILLEGAL to boot). I think you’re just confusing how Section 8 vouchers work with long-term HUD/CHA housing contracts in which landlords set aside specific units/buildings below market rate to guarantee a subsidized rental income.
Section 8 tenants “never” pay their share of the rent? Wow, sweeping-generalization time anybody?
Why didn’t the condo people make sure that the tenant opened up a checking account with automatic withdrawal of the rent amount on the first of the month (or whatever) so that as soon as his/her salary/assistance payment/whatever was deposited, the landlord got “dibs” on the agreed-upon rent?
Oh, btw this is not “Uptown.”. It’s SHERIDAN PARK, people, as any of the “locals” would have told you!
Dude, look at market rates for section 8 properties in engle wood, Roselane, etc, and they are hundreds of dollars a month higher than what non section 8people are paying, illegal or not. I have plenty of first hand experience with this. A 2 bed non section8 is like 800 a month and the section8tenant often rents a 1000$a month apartment with the tenant portion like 150 to 200 a month, if that.
Good luck trying to do and ach on the tenant, on the first of the month, right?
I have plenty of clients who tried the section8 and many, not all, but many, never got a dime from the tenant. The tenant portion is usually so small that it doesn’t even matter
I also have plenty of actual work experience with multi-family properties in rough areas (Austin, Lawndale, West Garfield). Let me just confirm what HD is saying. Section 8 rent is ALWAYS higher that the actual market rate in the area. I’d say by at least 150 a month but sometimes closer to 300. This is so widely known and recognized that I didn’t even realize that was technically illegal – I’m going to have to look into it. I think the loophole might be that what they define as the market area to determine market rent is usually a wide market including lots of rents, and therefore pulling the average up.
“Your anecdote of a landlord raising rents to offset Section 8 makes no sense to me (and it’s also incredibly ILLEGAL to boot). I think you’re just confusing how Section 8 vouchers work with long-term HUD/CHA housing contracts in which landlords set aside specific units/buildings below market rate to guarantee a subsidized rental income.”
I actually think that might be what is going on as well. I always thought it was those other programs where the rent gets shared. I believe section 8 rent payments are made in full by the housing agency.
Either way, however, if you look at a rent roll, it’s easy to spot section 8 tenants, they are the ones with the higher rents.
Andy, there’s the loophole, it’s house the Section 8 program defines “Fair Market Rent”
Summary
Currently, the main Section 8 program involves the voucher program. A voucher may be either “project-based” (where its use is limited to a specific apartment complex; public housing agencies (PHAs) may reserve up to 20% of its vouchers as such[6]) or “tenant-based” (where the tenant is free to choose a unit in the private sector, is not limited to specific complexes, and may reside anywhere in the United States (including Puerto Rico) where a PHA operates a Section 8 program, PHAs are required to send tenants portion, unless proven budget restrictions prevent them).
Under the voucher program, individuals or families with a voucher find and lease a unit (either in a specified complex or in the private sector) and pay a portion of the rent. Most households pay 30% of their adjusted income for Section 8 housing. Adjusted income is household’s gross (total) income minus deductions for dependents under 18 years of age, full-time students, disabled persons, or an elderly household, and certain disability assistance and medical expenses.[7]
There is an asset test in addition to earned income. Over a certain amount, HUD will add income even if the Section 8 tenant doesn’t receive any interest income from, for example, a bank account.[8][9] HUD calls this “imputed income from assets” and in the case of a bank account, HUD establishes a standard “Passbook Savings Rate” to calculate the imputed income from the asset.[10][11] This makes the tenant’s contribution higher since their gross income is made higher.
The PHA pays the landlord the remainder of the rent over the tenant’s portion, subject to a cap referred to as “Fair Market Rent” (FMR) which is determined by HUD. Each year, the federal government looks at the rents being charged for privately owned apartments in different communities, and the costs of utilities (heat, electricity, etc) in those communities. The “Fair Market Rents” are an estimate of the average gross rents (rents plus utilities) for medium-quality apartments of different sizes in a particular community.[7] As an example, 2012 FMR for 1 bedroom housing in Los Angeles-Long beach is $1159 and in New York is $1280 while in many other places it is less than $500.[12]
The landlord cannot charge a Section 8 tenant more than a reasonable rent and cannot accept payments outside the contract.[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_%28housing%29
Here is another 1st-hand account of section 8… a family member has 7 rentals. The law (at least in MI, not sure if it is different in IL) is that you cannot say no to a potential renter because of the fact they are section 8. But 99% of section 8 renters have been nothing but problems, unfortunately. So much so that this family member has started doing strictly month-to-month leases so she won’t be stuck with deadbeat renters until the end of the lease. It is so difficult to evict someone (small claims court, etc) that if they get far enough behind she can terminate the lease at the end of the month if things get out of hand. And they have. OH MAN, the horror stories. Not paying is the least of the issues.
Anyway, this house is UNBELIEVABLE! I like that you could do the kitchen exactly as you wanted it and the photo of the bathroom is absolutely perfect. Lovely all around! (except the neighbors evidently)
UGh. They should just go back to large high rise style public housing. Group the public housing in a bad neighborhood and make it difficult for those living there to get outside of their general area. Let them trash those places, not the places where hard working people live. I still don’t understand the concept of just sitting around and living off the government. I don’t particularly enjoy working, but I work so I can afford to live and buy gadgets and go on trips.
Here they just killed all the ones making the problems. City has been wonderful ever since.
Jenny, that comment was just awful! Makes me want to go find a turtle to torture.
Nice fascist spin, Jenny. Could it be that some of those “living off the government” can’t get a job even if they wanted one because they have been marginalized? How many have criminal records for drug possession? Gotta keep those cells filled up some how to keep the prison industrial complex running. Think of all the jobs that would be lost if drugs were legalized. Once these losers become “institutionalized” they have lost their chance at the American Dream and are stuck with making it on the street. Watch HBO’s The Wire sometime for another look at “those people”.
Imagine the outcry there would be if they started sending college kids to jail for “experimenting” with illegal substances? Much easier to target the underclass as ignorant animals.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-alexander/the-new-jim-crow_b_454469.html
HD, so my question is, as a section 8 certified landlord with some section 8 tenants, each month you are expected to collect rent from two different sources per section 8 unit (the section 8 administrator and the tenant)?
Or do the section 8 tenants pay their portion to the administrator and then the landlord collects the entirety from the section 8 administrator?
I always thought, perhaps incorrectly, that once you had the section 8 tenant and got through all those bureaucratic headaches (inspection etc), it was easy sailing from there because somebody else was writing the entirety of the rent check like clockwork. So is this wrong?
I’m for legalizing drugs. At the same time, it’s pretty easy to avoid going to prison for drug charges simply by not using/selling drugs. There’s a very simple formula for not ending up in public housing: finish high school and don’t have kids that you can’t afford. I don’t feel sorry for people who can’t do either of these things and I don’t think I should have to pay for them to have free places to live.
“I don’t think I should have to pay for them to have free places to live”
So, it’d be better if they were sleeping on street grates in front of your building and your office? And dribbling basketballs when they’re awake?
Andy: Section 8 will deposit their payment to the landlord’s checking account once a month, every month, like clockwork. The landlord has to go ‘collect’ rent from the tenant. I suppose in some cases it’s easy to get the check but as you know with entitlements, well, the recipient usually feels entitled rather than grateful; and inevitably it’s like “this or that and the other so I’m not paying my tenant portion”; but why the heck jeopardize the Section 8 payment and evict the tenant over a couple of hundred bucks a month, if that? It’s just a cost of doing business.
Jenny/Juliana: It’s a complex issue but somehow spinning it around into an argument drug prohibition was sort of from left field. The poverty issue the US has with the underclass is not unique nor individual to the united states. the suburbs of European cities are filled with housing complexes built solely to handle middle eastern and african immigrants living in part or whole off government assistance.
That’s just the voucher program. There are privately owned subsidized housing complexes around the city/suburbs and they’re a bit different. They’re privately run and the management companies won’t tolerate the non-payment of the tenant portion. They’ll let you fall behind a bit and work with you to catch back up but they, as opposed to smaller landlords with just a handful of units, are more likely to evict if they have the resources. Even then, they’ll find some valid pretextual reason to evict the tenant – my favorite is that a resident of the unit was arrested for a crime – so they threaten to evict everyone unless you kick out the crime causing tenant. The tenant portion is usually pretty small, a couple of hundred bucks generally, the real money is in the $800 or $900 payment that comes from Section 8 every month.
They can live in projects in bad neighborhoods. I don’t see why lazy people should get to live in a nice area for free, while others have to pay market rate.
I suspect my parents had some section 8 people living a couple houses down. You could immediately see they were different even in the way they carried themselves. After they left, we came to find out that they paid one month’s rent and then never paid a dime again. Eviction took many months.
That’s where us lefties come from after all. I wasn’t born this way. I had a racist father, race riots at my high school, and have become fed up with political correctness and the race card. But when you dig beneath the propaganda, sometimes you change your mind about the cause of the problem. It helps if your critical thinking skills are still intact, or have ever had a chance to be developed. The “New Jim Crow” argument I linked seems intuitively valid. With unemployment as high as it is today, I find Jenny’s “lazy” argument increasingly weak, especially when you factor in the legacy of a prison record. Check out the public school season on The Wire, Jenny, to get a clue on how hard it is to “just finish high school” for marginalized groups. She conveniently didn’t respond to my questioning of why college kids are given a pass for drug use in her “just say no” argument. HD bringing up the immigration problems in Europe muddies it. These days immigration is one of those hot button words that stirs up the knee jerk righties. The underclass we’re talking about aren’t immigrants.
“but somehow spinning it around into an argument drug prohibition was sort of from left field”
I think drug use should be legalized for people of all backgrounds.
There are also plenty of people who pulled themselves up from poverty. I know someone who grew up in Compton and is making tons of money in a highly specialized field. She worked hard to obtain her status. Her attitude towards her countless nieces and nephews, living in poverty, is that she will pay for them to go to college, but that’s it. It’s their choice. They can stay in poverty or go to school, like her.
Calling people marginalized is rather insulting to all the people who were poor and pulled themselves up. My dad spent his early childhood in poverty, but his father worked his way up from the very bottom of a company until he reached the near top and the family settled into the upper middle class.
It’s simple to not get pregnant and not use drugs. Finishing high school takes more effort, but it’s a choice these kids have and the successful ones will finish and the others can go on leeching off the government. I still don’t want to pay for the leeches to live in nice areas. I work hard so I can afford a place to live and it is enraging that some people get things for free when others have to pay for them. If these people weren’t leeches, they would spend their time volunteering instead of lazying about.
the problem is that a lot of the underclass makes bad decisions early in life which causes them detriment in the future. It’s not as easy as saying “simply don’t do that” but on the other hand, you can’t excuse it either by saying “their life is hard”.
Those two teenage gang bangers who shot up a 6 year old this weekend – life was hard for them too, they were young, joined a gang, committed crime; got into a car and tried to a rival 2-6 banger, just for fun pretty much, like you or I go to the movies, they shoot up rival gang bangers. and a little six year old died unjustifiably. but the condolences the family received were little pink bunnies everywhere, with one ear flipped down, el conejo, the mark of the 2-6 gang. How do you overcome that? Its not like that’s goign to change overnight, it’s not like they’re going to be like “yeah, i’ll go to college and hang out with whitey instead”. It’s complex, multi-faceted and there is no easy answer, and the we as a society have chosen the most expensive answer, which is to lock up as many as we can for as long as possible.
”Group the public housing in a bad neighborhood and make it difficult for those living there to get outside of their general area”
Sounds like a Concentration Camp.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-teens-charged-in-slaying-of-6yearold-in-little-village-20120318,0,4690865.story
“As relatives and friends passed through Aliyah’s home Sunday, they walked past a pink stuffed bunny on the steps of the home. The Two-Six gang uses a bunny with a bent ear as its symbol.
Aliyah’s memorial pink bunny had one ear flopped down.
A relative later contacted the Tribune to say they do not support violence and say the stuffed animal was not placed there as a gang symbol.”
“it’s not like they’re going to be like “yeah, i’ll go to college and hang out with whitey instead””
But *I* know someone who did!! So it’s possible!!!! And not expecting everyone else to do it, too, is just the soft bigotry of low expectations!!!!!!
btw, HD, I noticed the same thing. Especially the only outside memorial being a gang symbol.
While it’s hardly foolproof, the best way to avoid bangers shooting in your direction is to not hang around other bangers.
We could talk about this all day but it starts and ends with drugs. Drug reform is the fastest way to make HUGE changes. If we fully legalized even just soft drugs (pot) I bet you would start really, really noticing the changes in violence in about 5 years. 15 years would be a world of difference, and by then, new investment in these areas would have started. Too bad politicians have their heads too far up their asses to consider something so “radical.”
BTW I don’t even use so the only incentive I had for saying that is that it pains me to hear about 6 year olds getting shot and watching beautiful historic neighborhoods fall to waste.
For some reason I was thinking about this house again today (maybe because it’s awesome). Anyway, I had a thought. Does anybody have an idea how much you could rent this house for? Seems like you might be able to convince a group of say 6 or so young people that living in an awesome house like this would be worth putting up with a little crime. Numbers might work if you got it around 700. Just curious.
Andy: cheap, living in uptown they want cheap. It was the same 15 years ago as it is today. 500-700 a person, tops. Otherwise they’d just pay more for less in a different neighborhood.
Andy, while that is probably true, a single entity has to purchase the property. Russ can speak more about it, but I think 5 or 6 people trying to get a loan together might prove problematic.
Icarus, I pictured Andy was suggesting he be the single entity and then would find a group of 5-6 people to rent it out.
My guess is that wouldn’t be easy to do as it would work better if there were a college nearby other than Truman.
Benjamon, exactly. Because I truly believe that one time uptown will gentrify given enough time. If that were to happen this home would eventually become very desirable. I love sheridan park, its incredibly beautiful.
Now a short sale. I cannot believe we missed this. The apartment next door, also for sale, owned by same couple.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Radar/Deal-Estate/May-2012/In-Sheridan-Park-Prairie-Style-Meets-Arts-and-Craft/
“Had the shooting been outside Wrigley, would you have posted it here, too? About the same distance. You need to post it to one of the actual uptown props, like the one on Magnolia.”
The Bittersweet property IS in Uptown- but I see your point. This house is just a block and a half away though. Still available. Listed at $799,000.
Here’s what we’re chattering about for anyone who missed it:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-2-bystanders-among-wounded-in-sheridan-park-shooting-20120703,0,2983387.story
16 shootings across the city last night. There was also a drive-by at 2300 W. Washington last night as well (two people on a scooter, allegedly gang members, shot at from a passing car.)