A Townhouse in a Hot Downtown Neighborhood: 1159 N. Cambridge in South Old Town

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This 3 bedroom townhouse at 1159 N. Cambridge in South Old Town came on the market in October 2016, was withdrawn, and recently was listed again.

Is this area South Old Town?

Old Cabrini Green?

North River North?

It is two stories and has a private yard and 1 car garage parking. I’m assuming this is in a common garage- but it’s unclear.

Two bedrooms are on the second floor with the third and a den on the first floor along with the living/dining rooms and the kitchen.

The kitchen has stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops.

The listing says it has new carpet and paint.

This complex was built in 2010. The HOAs are high for a townhouse and include an exercise room. The listing also says this complex has 79 units.

Is it part of the mid-rise building association behind it on Divison?

Originally listed for $539,000 last year, it has been reduced $14,000 to $525,000.

This area is constantly selling out new construction mid-rises and townhouse developments.

There’s also a new high rise apartment building being built to the east on Division near the El.

Will this sell quickly at the reduced price?

Daniel Merrion at City Point Realty has the listing. See the pictures here.

1159 N. Cambridge Unit #3: 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, 1489 square feet, 1 car garage

  • There’s no prior sales price listed but it sold in a special warranty deed in October 2011.
  • Originally listed in October 2016 for $539,000
  • Withdrawn in November 2016
  • Re-listed in February 2017 for $525,000
  • Assessments of $587 a month (includes heat, gas, exercise room, exterior maintenance, lawn care)
  • Taxes of $4720
  • Central Air
  • Washer/Dryer
  • Bedroom #1: 13×12 (second floor)
  • Bedroom #2: 12×10 (second floor)
  • Bedroom #3: 11×11 (main floor)
  • Den: 10×8 (main floor)

87 Responses to “A Townhouse in a Hot Downtown Neighborhood: 1159 N. Cambridge in South Old Town”

  1. Straight up Cabrini Green or Near North. NOT Old Town unless you are an unscrupulous realtor. Clearly built as part of “affordable” housing with that location, those taxes, those finishes and cramming 3 beds plus a den into less than 1500 square feet. No thanks.

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  2. in the listing – “South Old Town/ North River North”

    L-O-Freakin’-L

    But yeah if you are going to buy in the Parkside area, you don’t want to buy the townhomes attached to the midrises, this unit does indeed look like affordable housing, the finishes and space are pretty bad for the price. If it sells though… wow!

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  3. Are there still affordable housing units there? I like the idea of a townhouse, but would not want to live in a building with the poors.

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  4. Its not they are poor, its their behavior. The litter, trash garbage is appalling. The kids just throw their flaming hot Cheetos wrappers and snapple bottles right into people’s grass, bushes sidewalks – doesn’t matter. Im at a party at Basecamp last year, 2 girls walk by and throw a bottle that shatters on the ground right in front of my friend’s patio, and hes say are you going to pick it up? Response, “F*K yo craka ass”. Another time I get surrounded by teens who start asking each other how much they think my watch cost, totally sizing me up. Now Im big enough they thought twice because 2/3 of them would be going home with no teeth, this is broad daylight mind you. South OldTown, Great neighborhood / S

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  5. Private Yard – hahahaha

    “Is this South Old Town? Old Cabrini Green? North River North?” – How about No Man’s Land?

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  6. I wouldn’t want to live in an mixed-income/affordable housing development. I’d rather live in a lower middle-class neighborhood where residents are homeowners and care about their neighbors. Rather than mingle with the “affordable”/”public” housing riff-raff that Marko described.

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  7. Anybody else notice the broken screen/damaged window in the realtors front picture?

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  8. FG – – Gotta LOVE the attention to detail!

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  9. I’m going to edit what I said above: There are some nice people living in the low income units, especially the older folks. My friend at basecamp chats with the old ladies all the time and loves their company. It’s specifically the teens, kids, young adults – out of control

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  10. Google Maps labels the area “Cabrini-Green”. Hard to argue with that label. Cabrini–Green Homes (high-rises/mid-rises) might be gone, but the Cabrini–Green Rowhouses are still standing.

    Why does it matter to the area name that there is new construction? There is no reason to rename the area.

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  11. ” It’s specifically the teens, kids, young adults – out of control”

    Agree, but roaming bands of teenagers everywhere are the wuuuuust! I live in the area and most of the adults are nice, you do get the occasional drugged up drunken old dude yelling shit but they mostly keep to themselves, not much different in terms of litter and noise from parts of old town or river north to be honest there are a lot less homeless bums and general creepers in this part of town than others

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  12. I’ll echo previous comments that I’d rather live in a community with real, middle class homeowners in an area like McKinley Park than here. They work hard and take pride in their community, home, and schools. Subsidized housing for low income families in areas that are prime, tax producing areas is not only terribly fiscal policy, it’s terrible social policy. The people who are approved to live here are all politically connected or family of city officials. They haven’t done anything to improve their own life. They are constantly taking and doing nothing to help their community. It’s no wonder this area is strewn with trash and has had numerous shootings in the past few years.

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  13. Had a friend rent a unit in the ‘parkside’ mixed income development a few years ago – it was a NIGHTMARE. A weird mix – half the people were young professionals who weren’t super familiar with chicago/didnt know better, the other half were families, in which the parents were fine, but the kids / cousins / friends visiting were a terror.

    Mixed income is a no go.

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  14. There is an interesting documentary called “70 Acres in Chicago” that touches on life in mixed income housing in this area post Cabrini-Green, though that is not its focus. It’s well worth a look. Be forewarned the filmmakers appear not to agree with Mike HG’s takes on fiscal and social policy, ie they are a bit bleeding heart in their perspective.

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  15. “Mixed income is a no go.”

    You do realize that “mixed income” in this area has been a reality for nearly 10 years with literally NO issues, right?

    In fact, it’s been very successful in this area.

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  16. “It’s no wonder this area is strewn with trash and has had numerous shootings in the past few years.”

    It has?

    When were the shootings? There were homicides east of here near the Division Red Line stop in the last year. But I haven’t heard of the shootings near here recently. I’m not saying they didn’t happen. There is stuff going on all over the city, even in the Gold Coast and LP. But I didn’t think it was still shoot em up central like it was about 15 to 20 years ago.

    And is it any different than what is going on in Wicker Park, Smith Park, Noble Square, East Humboldt Park, Humboldt Park?

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  17. “How about No Man’s Land?”

    This is changing.

    Just 2 blocks away is Basecamp, $850,000 to $1 million townhouses that sold out in just a few months. There are a bunch of open lots nearby which I’m assuming will also be built on with luxury housing.

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  18. Oh come on Sabrina, just Google old town or Cabrini green shooting, and a number of shootings and murders over the past few years pop up here.

    Also, much of the open land around here is owned by the cha and has plans for more low income housing where grandmothers will allow their violent, convicted felon children and grandchildren to move in. Again google it.

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  19. a friend of mine lives in one of those developments and his wife was 10 feet from their front door and one of her neighbors kids knocked her down and grabbed her purse. This was right after work, about 6 pm. He now has her call him and he walks her home from the bus stop each night. And if you complain to the management about the poorly behaved kids, your a racist. Stay away.

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  20. Sabrina,

    I lived just a few blocks away at Orleans/chicago last year – there were a LOT of issues with trash strewn about and riff raff hanging around – has it gotten better? Absolutely. Would it be a HECK of a lot better if it wasn’t mixed income? Absolutely.

    I understand there are much deeper social / economical issues at play here as to why we have mixed income. Maybe it’s necessary, I don’t know. A success? Definitely not. The only reason the area has gotten better is because hard working normal people make up more than half the residents…the crowd who gets to live here for essentially free, along with their friends and family, most of the time (keyword: most) are a source of headache.

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  21. I live in the area. It is a great neighborhood and getting better every day. Unless someone starts giving me concrete examples of all of these random murders, I am going to think you are a bunch of trollers. It is a city folks – – stuff happens everywhere and you need to be aware of your surroundings. A kid was murdered in the parking lot at Evergreen Terrace behind the Jewel – – that was NOT a random murder and the reptile responsible is now a guest of the State. The “two-fer” that Marko posted about a few weeks ago…also not random and not likely to ever be an issue for anyone unless hanging out in known gang loitering hot-spots such as Evergreen & Hudson (yes, that is the official turn of phrase used by the police), at 3AM.

    Yeah, I constantly have to pick trash up in my yard…but that is the never ending task associated with urban living. Was also the case when I lived in Ravenswood Manor and Albany Park.

    Here is a little light reading that may upset the world view of some folks, but will confirm what all the initial buyers at Basecamp already knew: http://www.curbed.com/2016/11/30/13792520/real-estate-low-income-housing-property-values-study

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  22. I’ll tell you, we feel a lot safer in McKinley Park than in most other neighborhoods in Chicago, ESPECIALLY the more affluent areas and upcoming areas such as the South Loop, Wicker Park, Humbolt Park and other areas. Yes, there are crime issues here, but not the robberies and targeted crime found in affluent areas. Our neighbors know and watch out for each other.

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  23. Well, back in the pre-Cabrini Green days this area was known as “Little Hell.” Apparently it was always a hotbed of “social problems” even when the housing was owned by private landlords.

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  24. I don’t understand the push to affordable housing. There is affordable housing all over this city. Live where you can afford to live. When people are given things by the government, they treat it like trash.

    I would also rather live in a lower middle class neighborhood where people own their homes than live with the freeloading affordable housing people. There are two huge empty lots near my house, across the train tracks. The alderman for that side of the tracks won’t allow housing to be built unless the developer sets aside 20% for affordable housing. I would much rather the two empty lots remain than have more freeloaders move into my area.

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  25. Juice man,

    It’s one thing to say McKinley park may be safer than the grimey remnants of Cabrini…but I don’t think you can make that argument for south loop or wicker park.

    Humboldt park, sure.

    Liz,

    Guess how many times someone has been shot at my local jewel or I’ve had garbage thrown in my yard this year? 0. So no, you don’t have to just “deal with it” if you live in a city.

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  26. Actually the only shootings in the area in the last few years have happened on Cambridge south of Oak, in the 100% public housing areas, those need the wrecking ball asap they are a blight on the neighborhood.

    I wouldn’t want to live in a mixed income condo/apartment midrise but the separate townhouses are really nice communities

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  27. Riz,
    Serious question, you post about looking for a home so I have honestly gotten the impression you are currently renting a condo. Do you have a yard for someone to throw trash in? And by “throwing trash” it really is the errant spicy hot cheetos bags. They are everywhere but I have never actually seen someone eating them. Folks also dump the trash from there car at the curb – – that happens a lot – – and it tends to blow all over the place, some of it ends up in my yard but it isn’t the case that people are dumping trash in my yard, or likely anyone else’s for that matter.

    Someone was shot at the Jewel on Division? When did that happen?

    The last time there was any daytime violence outside of the Evergreen and Hudson area on a former cabrini site, was August 2013…nearly four years ago now…and those were very targeted crimes.

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  28. I was in Wicker Park last week. I met up with some friends at the actual park and then took a walk before heading to dinner. I was shocked at the amount of riff raff in the area. One of my friends had his car broken into (across the street from the park). There were so many vagrants in that park. On our walk, we encountered a group of kids, climbing all over a fancy sports car. They started talking to me about “their” car. Then, they called me a “ho.”

    I complain a lot about my neighborhood, but I have never encountered anything like that in my area or for that matter in the South Loop, Lincoln Park, Old Town, or any other more affluent areas.

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  29. “I lived just a few blocks away at Orleans/chicago last year – there were a LOT of issues with trash strewn about and riff raff hanging around – has it gotten better? Absolutely. Would it be a HECK of a lot better if it wasn’t mixed income? Absolutely. ”

    Orleans and Chicago is a shitty block because of the methadone clinic and the el stop, and the clubs, it literally has almost nothing to do with cabrini residents.

    Go walk up to where this house is sometime, its a very clean block with people walking their dogs, neighbors talking to each other, etc. There are no shady people begging you for money, or people sleeping on the sidewalks like you get at Orleans and Chicago.

    I mean some of you folks need to just go see the area again, its not like it was even 5 years ago

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  30. I could never justify spending 500k+ to live next to someone who was paying 800 a month all in to live next to me. If I was also able to pay only 800 a month to live there, then he’ll yea I would. But not when I’m forking over 3k a month for mortgage, taxes, and assessments.

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  31. “I have honestly gotten the impression you are currently renting a condo. Do you have a yard for someone to throw trash in? And by “throwing trash” it really is the errant spicy hot cheetos bags. They are everywhere but I have never actually seen someone eating them. Folks also dump the trash from there car at the curb – – that happens a lot – – and it tends to blow all over the place, some of it ends up in my yard but it isn’t the case that people are dumping trash in my yard, or likely anyone else’s for that matter.”

    Subleased our condo at Orleans / chicago when our home finally closed. No cheeto bags on our front steps and (admittedly small) back yard. Just saying that there are plenty of parts of the city where trash on your steps or lawn isn’t a problem.

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  32. Sonies,

    Fully agree with you about Orleans/Chicago being a shitty block. Loved the convenience to everything but the methadone clinic and riff raff by the train was a mess.

    However, I disagree about your neighborhood. I walk west to my gym and north up Orleans all the time – I see tons of trash in that field by base camp, by the church, and also around the crossfit place. There’s always shady cars parked at night in the Parking lots west of Orleans – no way in hell I’d walk alone at night there.

    It is admittedly WAY better than 5 years ago. Still has a ways To go.

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  33. Riz, there were ZERO homicides in McKinley Park in 2016. How many GreenZone neighborhoods can make that claim? Kids sitting on cars and hassling passers-by? Please … this stuff just doesn’t happen around here.

    Jenny, your disdain for “the poors” is just another kind of bigotry. Being poor isn’t a crime, and the vast majority of poor people are good citizens who are working hard, trying to support their families and get ahead. If you want to talk about free handouts to deadbeats, how about all that TIF money funneled from schools toward already-wealthy developers? How about the freebies handed out to big companies? How about all the municipal money for the loser clown Bears football team? Or the DePaul arena?

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  34. “However, I disagree about your neighborhood. I walk west to my gym and north up Orleans all the time – I see tons of trash in that field by base camp, by the church, and also around the crossfit place. There’s always shady cars parked at night in the Parking lots west of Orleans – no way in hell I’d walk alone at night there. ”

    the field is trashy from the Mexican soccer tournaments they have there (where the hell do these people come from anyway?), has nothing to do with the current residents.

    No clue what you’re referring to in terms of shady cars, only ones I see on oak parked west of orleans are cabs eating at Jibek Jolu, or are you talking about the church parking lot? Or the three dudes that fix their cars in that church parking lot on Cleveland?

    But yes, once the empty lots are built on with market rate or mixed housing and everything fills in (could take decades for all I know) It will be better, but its not bad now, its very quiet but still extremely close to downtown which I enjoy.

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  35. In NYC they had a luxury high rise that had some affordable units. The developer put in two entrances – one for those paying market rents and then a separate entrance in back of building for the subsidized residents.

    http://nypost.com/2013/08/18/upper-west-side-condo-has-separate-entrances-for-rich-and-poor/

    I still don’t get why Chicago needs affordable housing. We have plenty of affordable housing in this city. Chicago is not Manhattan or San Fran.

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  36. “I still don’t get why Chicago needs affordable housing.”

    its a great way to buy votes in areas of the city that typically think the other way in terms of the political spectrum

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  37. What the hell is Ald. Burnett going to do when his ward needs to be cut in half due to the exploding west loop population? The only reason he wins election is due to the vast black vote dump he gets from the far west side of his ward. There is no way he will be able to represent the Cabrini / river west area along with his United Center area since it will half to shrink.
    I can only hope the ChA housing isn’t rebuilt until after the 2020 ward boundary redraw so that we can get an Alderman in there who will not be pro low income housing in an area capable of bringing in mounds of tax dollars.

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  38. “Jenny, your disdain for “the poors” is just another kind of bigotry. Being poor isn’t a crime, and the vast majority of poor people are good citizens who are working hard, trying to support their families and get ahead. If you want to talk about free handouts to deadbeats, how about all that TIF money funneled from schools toward already-wealthy developers? How about the freebies handed out to big companies? How about all the municipal money for the loser clown Bears football team? Or the DePaul arena?”

    I don’t disdain poor people. I don’t think they should be given handouts that allow them to live wherever they please. Why should I have to pay market rate and someone else not?

    I think that part of the reason we are seeing so much violence in so many different neighborhoods is because the city has spread out the poor people. Instead of bettering themselves, they continued their old habits in their new neighborhoods.

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  39. Jenny, in your world I get the impression that the folks who perform all of the low paying tasks that make a community work have no right to live in the community once the housing in the community becomes expensive. Is that correct?

    How long of a commute would you be willing to allow these folks so they could still feasible work in your community but have all of the things the rest of us working stiffs take for granted, like daily free time?

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  40. OMG, there are riff-raffy people in Wicker Park – the park itself and the neighborhood! Don’t know much about Chicago history OR literature, apparently? This area has always had a volatile mixture of classes and ethnicities, plus a subculture of artists and activists. For more edification check out the classic novels of Nelson Algren, “The Man With The Golden Arm” and “Never Come Morning.”

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  41. “Jenny, in your world I get the impression that the folks who perform all of the low paying tasks that make a community work have no right to live in the community once the housing in the community becomes expensive. Is that correct?
    How long of a commute would you be willing to allow these folks so they could still feasible work in your community but have all of the things the rest of us working stiffs take for granted, like daily free time?”

    That is a problem in NYC and Silicon Valley/San Francisco, but much less of a problem in Chicago. There are affordable areas without unbearably long commutes in Chicago. Garfield Park is an easy El ride to the heart of the city for instance. There’s lots of affordable housing in that area.

    There are also lots of safe, lower middle class in neighborhoods such as Archer Heights and Bridgeport.

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  42. “folks who perform all of the low paying tasks that make a community work have no right to live in the community once the housing in the community becomes expensive.”

    Nobody has a “right” to live anywhere. You do have a “right” to work hard to earn the $$ to buy or rent in any area you want without being discriminated against (Federal fair housing regs). If housing becomes so expensive and commuting is expensive then residents will have to pay more for services to compensate. See this article on Palo Alto teachers:

    http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2016/05/23/with-new-contract-70-percent-of-palo-alto-teachers-will-earn-over-100000

    That is for 8.6 months of work and doesn’t include a 1-2% year end bonus + benefits. One teacher is going from $67k to $80.5k in 1 year!

    BUT Cabrini Green is a special situation. It is owned by Chicago and managed by the CHA and they do have the “right” to ask developers to set aside a certain % of units for low income housing if they want to build. This middle ground is far preferable to 100% low income housing to home owners. Of course some would prefer a new Cabrini Green be built that is 100% low income and some would rather it be 100% market.

    Public housing is a fact of life – this is a decent solution to it and the market properties should be lower priced (as mentioned in this thread) to compensate people for the undesirable aspect of having some owners / guests of owners who won’t treat the property with the same care as a true owner.

    My preference would be all market rate but that ain’t gonna happen so this is a decent solution.

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  43. I don’t think they should build affordable housing in trendy/affluent areas where the city would otherwise be collecting more money in property taxes. They should take those affordable units they promised out of the Cabrini area and move it somewhere like Garfield Park, where the property values are already low and the city won’t lose out on property taxes. I would be happy if they moved all low income housing to Garfield Park. It’s accessible to the El. The residents can easily access the different neighborhoods in the city to get to their jobs. Since the neighborhood is already impoverished, you’re not going to make it any worse by moving freeloaders in.

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  44. “How long of a commute would you be willing to allow these folks so they could still feasible work in your community but have all of the things the rest of us working stiffs take for granted, like daily free time?”

    Liz, they can live off the red or green line on the south side, the blue or green line on the west side, or the orange or pink line on the southwest side and take the CTA for 20 minutes into the loop just like all the hard working office tower folks do everyday. They do not have a right to live in a community that could easily attract million plus dollar residences and condo towers.

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  45. “I think that part of the reason we are seeing so much violence in so many different neighborhoods is because the city has spread out the poor people. Instead of bettering themselves, they continued their old habits in their new neighborhoods.”

    This actually is NOT true. Many of those that had to move out of the old housing projects (both Cabrini and the Robert Taylor homes) actually left the city altogether and now live in the suburbs.

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  46. “I still don’t get why Chicago needs affordable housing. We have plenty of affordable housing in this city. Chicago is not Manhattan or San Fran.”

    We do? Then why is there a wait list to get into CHA housing?

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  47. “I could never justify spending 500k+ to live next to someone who was paying 800 a month all in to live next to me.”

    Who said it’s $800 a month?

    They put aside 10% of the units in Domain for low income over 10 years ago. I’ve never heard of anyone complaining about it. I actually doubt anyone even knows it’s going on.

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  48. “Someone was shot at the Jewel on Division? When did that happen?”

    Liz- the Jewel has been gone for a couple of years now. They are building that luxury high rise on the site (with a new Jewel in the bottom.) It should help the area.

    But there was this last year:

    https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160630/gold-coast/targeted-gold-coast-murder-stemmed-from-fight-over-drugs-police-say

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  49. But we are talking the old town / Cabrini area and the Jewel on Division is very much alive and well, I was just there.

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  50. Sabrina,

    You can rent cheap apartments all over this city. They may not be in Greenzone hoods with a Starbucks on the corner, but to say there aren’t any cheap apartments that a typical middle or lower income person can afford in Chicago is absurd.

    I did a deal last year where a guy making like $25k/yr bought a condo in Hyde Park for like $90k. Decent looking place too.

    When I think of affordable housing, I think of situations like on Martha’s Vineyard. An island where I think the cheapest house listed at one point was like $500k. Cops, firemen, teachers, and others literally cannot afford to buy there and it isn’t even like you can commute from further out unless you think taking a two hour ferry ride one way from Boston is a reasonable commute.

    Chicago has no shortage of land and apartments. This is not NYC, Silicon Valley or any other place with exorbitant cost of living.

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  51. 1200 N Halsted and 400 W Evergreen have had shootings in 2017. Both shootings have public housing within steps of the location.

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  52. ” the only shootings in the area in the last few years”

    So, I spose that the 1300-block of Hudson is not “in the area”??:

    http://abc7chicago.com/news/twin-brothers-17-fatally-shot-in-old-town/1580244/

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  53. I know for people like you, Mike HG, this is semantics, but the surrounding housing at 400 W Evergreen (referenced in my post as Evergreen and Hudson) is NOT public housing. It is privately owned (Related Companies) Evergreen Terrace is also privately owned. 49

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  54. Yes Anon, that is the exact same shooting at the exact same gang loitering hot spot I was referring to in my post.

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  55. HAHA! Classic. All the Obama-loving CC sheltered GZ residents are NIMBYs too! Chicago will never be a world-class city until you do something about the murder rate, hypocrites.

    https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2017-chicago-murders/timeline?mon=2

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  56. Sabrina you are full of crap. The proliferation of Section 8 housing post large-scale CHA teardowns has spread undesirables and the associated crime all over. I’ve seen it first hand. So naiive, do you even live in the city?

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  57. According to the DNA map they put out end of 2016, there was 10 shootings, 4 dead, from Chicago Ave. to Hudson in the area encompassing the Cabrini Row Houses and the apartments behind Jewel at Clybourn. Note the shootings are at the extreme north and south ends of the neighborhood, located inside the section 8 apartments behind Jewel and Cabrini projects along Chicago Ave. So its not technically in the mixed use development we are chatting about but it is adjacent. How the city allows this crap to exist right next door to redevelopment is criminal – here we are broke and letting prime property be used as a shooting gallery for social misfits instead of generating top tax dollars. Can the common sense people class action sue the City? Everyone seems to be able to.

    https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161228/garfield-park/shootings-chicago-homicide-2016-spike

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  58. I was sad when I heard that the lease for the evergreen homes was up and they decided to keep it section 8 or subsidized or whatever they call it… landlords/REITS love that guaranteed income from the government too I guess

    and yes anon, 1300 N Hudson may as well be another world away, those are the evergreen homes and that block is home to a building dubbed ‘crack city’

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  59. Sonies has a point; we all point fingers at the section 8 renters and call them moocher but the biggest moochers are the owners of these properties taking free money from uncle sugar. That’s our money and we should have a big seat at the head of the table deciding where to place these projects.

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  60. “I still don’t get why Chicago needs affordable housing. We have plenty of affordable housing in this city. Chicago is not Manhattan or San Fran.”
    “We do? Then why is there a wait list to get into CHA housing?”

    People want something for free or very cheap, so of course they are going to sign up for free housing if they qualify.

    Just a few moments searching on CL reveals cheap apartments, like this one:
    https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/apa/6019919605.html

    Affordable condo: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/757-S-Independence-Blvd-3_Chicago_IL_60624_M84685-50098

    I don’t think SF or NYC has equivalent properties available.

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  61. Thank you Marko for linking the data. Why Sabrina is defending the behavior of violent criminals and trying to deflect attention away from the fact that this area has a troubling amount of violence is beyond me.

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  62. Mike HG, You are missing a bit of the point. The violence you and a few others have referenced in this thread, occurred at locations that are surrounded 100% by uniformly very low income households in buildings that either pre-date the Cabrini high rises (Marshall Fields, The Cabrini walk-ups), or were constructed around the time of the Cabrini high rises or shortly after (Evergreen Terrace.) Not one person on this thread can say they ever lived in the area BEFORE any of that housing was built, unless they are really really old :)
    ….No one has cited an example that is really all that close (for an urban area), to where the new construction is occurring and where the Subject town-home is located.

    If anything, that is a sign that the new mixed income housing is actually working pretty well. Of course all of the back lash I might get for saying that will be from folks who don’t live near it and make most of their daily opinions from pre-conceived notions rather than factual observations.

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  63. Laura Louzader on March 4th, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    Boring apt. in boring building.

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  64. “ferry ride … from Boston”

    When did they introduce a ferry from Boston to the Vineyard?

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  65. wow I think that was Laura Louzader’s shortest post ever :)

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  66. @Anon, Boston makes the point better than saying Woods Hole for those who may not be familiar with Martha’s Vineyard.

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  67. Wicker Park is indeed a creepy place. You’d be nuts to let a child out of your sight there. It also attracts the Gutter Punk milieu of transients that arrive when the weather gets warmer. One time in Stan’s donuts on a Sunday, I witnessed a family come in and the dad had a church bulletin hanging out of his back pocket. You could just see the seething resentment of the lip-pierced and tatted employees and the hungover hipster customers stuck in feminist rage and solitary life with their dog. You could feel the intolerance, as why should they have to share their donut space with people not exactly like them.

    From reading this, it looks like people should be glad Trump won. Obama and his anti-white racist gang had started a HUD policy based on “disparate impact” that was leading towards penalizing locales that didn’t have enough demonstrable diversity, even if there was no proof that “racism” ever took place. So, the goal was that HUD would eventually get enough power to forcibly determine the demographics of any given neighborhood, suburb, locale, etc. and force demographic changes with threats of financial penalties etc.

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  68. Lol at helmethofer’s post above.

    Really dude? They saw his church bulletin in his pocket and all went into blind hipster rage?

    Puhlease. Wicker park may be full of weirdos and hipsters, but it’s probably one of the most diverse and tolerant neighborhoods in the city – it still has a large, religious catholic Hispanic population.

    The “hipsters” in wicker park are largely suburban kids who probably went to church their whole life.

    My godson was baptized at wicker park Lutheran and there is a large local congregation of young, old , and even hipsters. There’s even a evangelical church that does outreach into the community – nobody is hating on christians there.

    Where do you even make this stuff up? I usually ignore your bull*** but this was just another level of made up crap.

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  69. “Where do you even make this stuff up? I usually ignore your bull*** but this was just another level of made up crap.”

    Do you not know your history of Christianity? Even 300 years ago Gibbon opined that Christians feigned and exaggerated persecution for the sake of martyrdom. Nothing has changed with these people. To some Christians (although HH’s hate of jews is very unchristian like) real or imagined sneers from hipsters and degenerates is persecution. Which is unfortunate, because in places in the world, peaceful Christians have been and are presently being persecuted in the middle east. There’s a large Christian Assyrian community in Chicago that despite living in the region for 2000 years, only recently has had to leave the horrors of their homeland, for all places, Skokie and Lincolnwood IL. I know quite a few Assyrians actually.

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  70. “Christians feigned and exaggerated persecution for the sake of martyrdom”

    Heaven forfend!

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  71. Thanks for the laugh helmethofer. It inspired me to look up the idiom “go off the deep end”, http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/go+off+the+deep+end

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  72. I wonder what a shrink would have to say about HH’s post – – the level of narcissism to believe that when you walk into a room, everyone is paying attention to you – – even scanning the printed material you may be in possession of. What a paranoid, narcissistic freak show.

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  73. ” but it’s probably one of the most diverse and tolerant neighborhoods in the city”

    That’s ridiculous and fully refuted by the angry intolerant feminist skanks who work at Stan’s Donuts who hate the sight of healthy families with decent-looking married women with kids. I witnessed it myself. At some point they have to realize that getting that tattoo sleeve means they will never get asked to walk down the aisle, and they’ll be stuck with the ugly rescue dog that looks like poo, or their cat.

    These Wicker Park types are about as tolerant as all the left wing rioters, which means they aren’t tolerant at all. They’re full of anger! HD, you are so cucked about the JQ. In fact, Luther really hated them. The Catholic church used to put them in ghettos and expel them, etc. For multiple legit reasons. Read the Edict of Explulsion from Spain. It’s entirely rational, it’s on the net. So, you hardly can speak for what Christianity stands for. Christ had some choice words for them, look it up.

    Liz: I don’t care what pseudo-science of the Freudians says. They’re the idiots and into incest. Not me.

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  74. “Read the Edict of Explulsion from Spain.”

    Oh….kay???

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Alhambra_decree

    “It’s entirely rational”

    So, Fred and Izzy were so unsure about the faith of their subjects–even *after* 14 years of the inquisition–that they “rationally” feared that Jews would convert them all to Judaism? WTF??

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  75. HH,

    As a medical professional I genuinely think you have a personality disorder. Good luck.

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  76. Riz, you’re not smart enough to even be clever.

    If I have a disorder then why don’t perverts have disorders?

    LOL: “Amid growing opposition from (((gay))) activists, and dissent within its own ranks, the American Psychiatric Association was begrudgingly forced to expunge homosexuality from the DSM-II. Paradigmatic of the social nature of psychiatric diagnosis, the purging of homosexuality from the psychiatric nomenclature highlights the instability of the psychiatric sign: once signifying disease and perversion, homosexuality came to be recognized by the establishment as a normal variant of human sexuality.

    Apparently, nobody actually has a disorder in poz America in 2017. Nobody. Lol.

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  77. Helmethofer you are incredibly intolerant. The Jewish people are the most persecuted people in the history of our world. Ever since Trump’s victory, anti semitism is on the rise in America and all over the world. Perhaps it is time to ban helmethofer from this forum because of his continued use of hate speech?

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  78. HH in the words of so many annoying millennials ( who will luckily prove people like you to be on the wrong side of history )

    “I can’t even”

    Don’t think I need to debate cleverness with you pal. You can kiss my overeducated a**.

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  79. “anti semitism is on the rise in America and all over the world. ”

    That’s a bunch of nonsense. Trying to tie this to Trump is complete crap. His righthand man Kucnher who won his campaign is jewish and his daughter converted and he allowed people of all types into his clubs in Florida. Stop spreading the lies and hate yourself

    HH you are fucking insane. And paranoid. lay off the bath salts! hahaha We get it you don’t like jews and gays so just move to McHenry county where there are no jews or gays. and you can get big lot of land for cheap, and it’s hilly, and good fishing, near wisconsin, a red county, low taxes, damn near paradise for a guy like you.

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  80. Riz, despite HH’s clearly racist overtones, he’s probably less racist than your average person in most ethnically homogenous countries. Ask the average indian what he thinks of the average Pakistani and HH’s inane comments make him sound like a priest.

    Not that makes this OK for him to be such an annoying shit, but he’s clearly on the right side of history here. But that doesn’t make it OK.

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  81. “The Jewish people are the most persecuted people in the history of our world. Ever since Trump’s victory, anti semitism is on the rise in America and all over the world.”

    I’m just going to disagree with this and not really comment on it… wow!

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  82. “Perhaps it is time to ban helmethofer from this forum because of his continued use of hate speech?”

    You are newer here Nimesh. Helmethofer has been banned a dozen times in the past. Yes- he is racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic and a misogynist. (Have I left anything out???)

    Occasionally, he actually talks about the real estate on this site.

    Ignore his hateful comments.

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  83. “Christ had some choice words for them, look it up.”

    Christ was Jewish.

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  84. “One time in Stan’s donuts on a Sunday, I witnessed a family come in and the dad had a church bulletin hanging out of his back pocket. You could just see the seething resentment of the lip-pierced and tatted employees and the hungover hipster customers stuck in feminist rage and solitary life with their dog.”

    Don’t forget everyone: Helmethofer doesn’t even live in Chicago. He’s just parroting whatever common perceptions there are about certain neighborhoods.

    The weather hasn’t gotten “warmer” so what in the hell is he even talking about? Bucktown/Wicker Park is more expensive now than almost any neighborhood in the city with the exception of Lincoln Park. Are there even any “hipster” customers? Stan’s doesn’t really open where there are “hipsters” (which is why it’s also in Lakeview and Streeterville.)

    And who is glad Trump won? The hipsters? Lol.

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  85. “Sabrina you are full of crap. The proliferation of Section 8 housing post large-scale CHA teardowns has spread undesirables and the associated crime all over.”

    They are tracking where the former CHA renters are moving to. The vast majority have left the city for places like Aurora where the housing is cheaper. The wait list for Chicago housing is too long.

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  86. “Chicago will never be a world-class city until you do something about the murder rate, hypocrites.”

    It’s a deep, ingrained problem in the city Milkster. There’s little many of us can “do” about the murder rate except for businesses to create more jobs in some neighborhoods where there is a 50% unemployment rate. The gangs have taken over instead. They fill in the gap (and the heroin using suburbanites don’t help either.)

    What most people don’t realize outside of the city is that most of the violence is happening in just a few wards and is being done by just a few people in gang retaliations. It’s, for the most part, not “random” violence except for those innocents, like the recent children, who are caught in the cross hairs. That’s the bigger tragedy. What happens with the children? How can you grow up in that violence?

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  87. “But we are talking the old town / Cabrini area and the Jewel on Division is very much alive and well, I was just there.”

    That’s the old Dominick’s. I was referring to the Jewel on Division that is now where the new Sinclair highrise is going in (Division and Dearborn.) The Jewel will re-open there this spring.

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