The 3-Bedroom Duplex Down Greystone: 1849 N. Cleveland in Lincoln Park

This 3-bedroom duplex down unit at 1849 N. Cleveland in Lincoln Park has been on the market since April 2010.

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In that time, it has been reduced $30,000.

The unit has crown molding and 2 fireplaces.

The kitchen is open to the living area and has granite counter tops and stainless steel appliances.

2 bedrooms are on the main level and the third is in the lower level along with the family room and a wine cave.

The unit has a landscaped private patio and an assigned parking space.

Is this an attractive townhouse alternative?

Karen Peterson at Coldwell Banker has the listing. See the pictures here.

Unit #1N: 3 bedrooms, 2.5 baths, no square footage listed

  • Sold in July 2002 for $615,000
  • Sold in August 2005 for $736,000
  • Originally listed in April 2010 for $779,000
  • Reduced
  • Currently listed for $749,000
  • Assessments of $240 a month
  • Taxes of $7995
  • Central Air
  • Washer/Dryer in the unit
  • Parking included
  • Bedroom #1: 17×12 (main level)
  • Bedroom #2: 12×12 (main level)
  • Bedroom #3: 11×10 (lower level)
  • Family room: 25×18 (lower level)

82 Responses to “The 3-Bedroom Duplex Down Greystone: 1849 N. Cleveland in Lincoln Park”

  1. Wonderful place, its just to narrow for me to say hey guys come over to my new 3/4 of a million place i just bought. oh but dont drive there is no parking and please dont stand shoulder to shoulder facing east or west because noboday will be able to walk past to get to the bathroom or dining table. but still enjoy as i paid 3/4 of a million.

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  2. I guess it would be a TH alternative if you don’t mind living in a basement most of the time, that upstairs it tight…

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  3. Is there really that much of a premium for duplex downs in LP? Places like this are selling in LV for $200K less.

    (Plus, duplex downs are my least favorite type of Chicago property)

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  4. beautiful place.

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  5. Nice place, but certainly overpriced. There are several duplexs and duplex downs in LP and LV which are comparable at 400-500K.

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  6. No way this is a better option than the townhouses in the area.

    http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/641-W-Willow-St-60614/unit-146/home/13346417

    Duplex down living is depressing…who wants to spend most of thier time in a basement?

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  7. Can a room be counted as a bedroom if it has an exterior entrance?

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  8. That basement wetbar is pretty sweet; it’s probably my favorite thing about the place.

    It’s very pretty (that window!), but the low deck off the master bedroom will probably turn off buyers who are concerned about security, even in Old Town.

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  9. Question, I’ll add yours to the Crib Checklist

    According to CC’ers these seem to be the places that should only be rented, never bought:
    -Anything near the EL
    -Anything too far from the EL
    -Anything above a restaurant or certain types of stores
    -Anything on the first floor / garden level
    -Anything with less than 3 bedrooms
    -Anything without a dedicated parking space, generally covered and heated
    -Anything within 1/2 mile of public housing
    -Anything on a main street (Clybourn, Belmont, etc. etc.)
    -Anything without central air, in unit w/d
    -Most things made since 2003-ish (they are all cookie cutter, low quality, cinder-block types)
    -Any SFH not on a standard size lot or larger

    Add “nothing west of Western” (TB)
    only rent places with 1 bathroom (sonies)
    Anyting In Uptown
    Anything with wood-burning fire places
    Duplex cannot be duplex down (Question)
    something about suitable or unsuitable for vampires?

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  10. “Anything you can wait to buy”

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  11. Icarus, that’s hilarious. Maybe CC’ers are closeted suburbanites! :)

    Cabinets are ugly but, this looks like a beautiful listing and a testament in favor of well established neighborhoods, and certainly a testament against the people who are preaching further depreciation everywhere without exception…

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  12. For comparison’s sake

    http://www.urbanrealestate.com/property/533-W-Oakdale-Unit-3-CHICAGO-IL-60657-7SCOQN4F3TY36.html

    Top floor duplex up, with parking, roof deck, etc. Closed for 714. Can’t imagine anyone would prefer this place.

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  13. this one is in better school district so buyer with kids going to elem school might.

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  14. I’m with Groove: three quarters of a mil and you can only have 2 people over for dinner b/c your “dining area” can’t fit a full-sized table.

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  15. gringozecarioca on January 28th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Saw that front listing picture with the nice window and opened up the photos wanting to like it and say something nice but every other picture denies me that opportunity. Claustrophobic. THis just strikes me as one of those places, regardless of offer price, everyone walks out saying “just too tight”.

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  16. R, that’s a beautiful listing as well.

    To your question though, this listing will end up closing probably for less than the one in your link, seller is being smart here, because if they price it for what they think they can really sell it for than they’d have to discount even more…it’s a vicious circle.

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  17. so back to the list,

    hey with the basment cave this can be suitable for japanese vampires!

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  18. R, that’s a beautiful listing as well.

    To your question though, this listing will end up closing probably for less than the one in your link, seller is being smart here, because if they price it for what they think they can really sell it for than they’d have to discount even more…it’s a vicious circle.

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  19. This place really doesn’t do anything for me. I like the basement family room and that bar, but aside from that, it’s just so-so.

    I agree with Groove’s comment about the space being very narrow upstairs. Downstairs it seems fine.

    I would have a hard time justifying $750 for this property. Great location, just not a great deal. At this price, the property will sit for a long time.

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  20. R, and per CH’s input, school district is huge. It’s wrong to assume that everyone who lives in LP send their kids to Parker or Latin.( Although, it would be perfectly assume that most of those gorgeous moms with their oversized strollers and lululemon yoga pants gather in the market in LP during the season, and that it is a quite wonderful sight :). )

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  21. This basement is like a dungeon

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  22. Very nice, especially the unique front window. The upstairs can simply be reversed, e.g., a larger table might fit nicely closer to the kitchen, then put a love seat where the current table, etc. The rear deck is pretty huge.

    That said, as noted above, the deck is off the bedroom (always a bummer) and is just above ground level. And it’s a duplex down (and as if having half the place in the basement isn’t bad enough, upstairs, you’ve got people living above you). The location’s pretty good (Lincoln attendance and east of Halsted), but Cleveland seems more “ELP” between Lincoln and Fullerton. $675k probably does it (but it might take a while, given what appears to be an increasing prejudice against DD’s).

    The place on Oakdale linked to by R is pretty spectacular. But as already noted, the location/attendance area are not the same.

    The place on Willow linked to by Chris, while a bit of a compound and lacking the charm/elegance of the Cleavland and Oakdale listings, is pretty solid.

    In the $700k range, it’s Willow for the win.

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  23. i don't comment often on January 28th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    “Icarus on January 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am
    Question, I’ll add yours to the Crib Checklist”

    Add another…that your block/building/neighborhood has not more than 15-ish% minorities (maybe unless they’re Asian–but not Chinatown or South Asians or Muslims).

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  24. I’m gonna hang my bathrobe on my living room wall crucifix style and see what my guests have to say, like this place!

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  25. I don’t agree with the blanket dismissal of duplex down. Not everyone wants to walk up three flights of stairs. If a place has outside access and plenty of light on the lower level, and no water problems (includes sump pump) I think it would be a good option if one wants a lot of space.

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  26. This bag holder is asking more than the 2005 close.

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  27. danny (lower case D) on January 28th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    2 fireplaces!!! 1 is not enough to do the trick? Do the parents use one and the kids the other?

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  28. The price seems high, but the unit is nice.

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  29. “2 fireplaces!!! 1 is not enough to do the trick? Do the parents use one and the kids the other?”

    Danny, oh they are not functional fireplaces, its used for some realtors to call this a 5 bedroom, or if you open the chimney to call outdoor space, I think a certain realtor uses it for his sqft calculations (all the way up t the roof)

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  30. The only time I couldnt find a place to park around here is when bauler park is having a neighbor get-together, or the Chicago air and water show is taking place.

    “The location’s pretty good (Lincoln attendance and east of Halsted), but Cleveland seems more “ELP” between Lincoln and Fullerton.”

    Yeah this area actually feels a bit more like old town (which might actually be better to some)

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  31. I’ve seen these non-functioning fireplaces in a lot of places. I’ve always assumed they were actually used for heating at one point in the properties’ past and then were just decorative.

    I don’t understand, other than cost, why they are painted over and left in a room; they minimize furniture arrangement. and you lose the wall space.

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  32. Both those fireplaces look, to me, like they were converted to gas and are still usable. The one in the basement would be more useful, to chase the (inevitable) chill from the slab.

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  33. “I’m gonna hang my bathrobe on my living room wall crucifix style and see what my guests have to say, like this place!”

    LMAO!!!! My mom actually has an Asian inspired room that she has a kimono on display but here it does look somewhat odd.

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  34. you could have copy/paste-ed this conversation from any other thread on this blog.

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  35. Nice wet-bar in the rec room, but not worth an extra $250,000.

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  36. Old fireplaces might have been coal or gas, but in Chicago were usually decorative. I think these are totally new though – you’re right, they do cut in on furnishing space.

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  37. “Yeah this area actually feels a bit more like old town (which might actually be better to some)”

    For me, tbqh, this is a grosser part of Old Town. When Geneva turns into Larabee at Webster and heads down to North, it’s one of the more sketchy feeling streets of ELP and is just a bit away. Carnival Foods at Dickens/Lincoln/Cleveland is worse than The Market Place. North Avenue is barren. And St. Michael’s down the block — while impressive from the outside — is a ramshackled mess on the inside compared to great ELP/ELV Catholic Cathedrals like St. Clement, St. Vincent, and Mt. Carmel.

    This will probably be my most “elitist” CC-esque comment yet, but I just do not really care for this hood. The Dickens/Larabee/North/Lincoln-then-Sedgewick bounded area is just. plain. weird. feeling.

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  38. 3/4 of a million for that? really?

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  39. boiztwn-

    “Carnival Foods at Dickens/Lincoln/Cleveland is worse than The Market Place. North Avenue is barren.”

    the treasure island on wells street isnt much further and beats both in my opinion. If North ave is barren for you, just walk down wells instead. I find wells to be a great street, esp during the summer. I really enjoy all the restaurants and bars here, and so do a bunch of others as they are always full. Plus, its convenient to have of the stores on north so close.

    “And St. Michael’s down the block — while impressive from the outside — is a ramshackled mess on the inside compared to great ELP/ELV Catholic Cathedrals like St. Clement, St. Vincent, and Mt. Carmel.”

    Yes impressive from the outside, but most important is the community here. The people are terrific and is what I would consider to be more important of an inside of a Church, Im sorry you think otherwise.

    “For me, tbqh, this is a grosser part of Old Town. When Geneva turns into Larabee at Webster and heads down to North, it’s one of the more sketchy feeling streets of ELP and is just a bit away.”

    thats funny bc this area is actually where I want to live and is my favorite part of the city. I think the streets are beautiful with all the unique houses and seems to have a charming neighborhood feeling in the city. Public schooling here is some of the best in the city not to mention the zoo, easy transportation, lake, etc.

    “This will probably be my most “elitist” CC-esque comment yet, but I just do not really care for this hood. The Dickens/Larabee/North/Lincoln-then-Sedgewick bounded area is just. plain. weird. feeling.”

    and the most expensive in Chicago so your in luck you dont want to live there. Two streets over from your described area is burling, the most expensive block in Chicago according to Forbes magazine. Sorry such a long post I just disagreed with everything you said. Except maybe larrabee can feel a bit sketcky, I’m assuming your talking about the terrifying public housing on the street. I get the chills just driving down it :)

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  40. “North Avenue is barren.”

    I know I mentioned Wells and forgot Armitage, which is even closer. I hear the shopping on this street if ok.

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  41. Boiztwn, just like the fireplaces, you got this one wrong as well. The main artery of Lincoln/Armitage, etc. it’s true, not very charming, but the immediate West of Clark and the small streets surrounding these artieries north and south, are very very charming.

    I’m joking about the fireplaces-at least you have a point of view, which I respect, but as I said, you’re wrong on this one. Even Burling, as flo suggested, which is one of the most expensive blocks in the country, if you walked there alone at night, you might not feel all that comfortable. It’s just the nature of these streets.

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  42. What’s the point of urban living if you don’t want to be around a mix of people from varied economic strata? and living in subsized housing in mixed neighborhoods helps less well off people attend good schools and move up, making life for everyone better in the long run. Plus this neighborhood, and the Larabee stretch have good proximity to several major shopping/entertainment and transporation options.

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  43. Mover, I don’t think people object to that notion. I think they rather object to the inefficiency and the corruption in the system in trying to achieve the goal you are describing.

    So, I’d say most people would agree on the end goal here, there is just disagreement on the means to get there…

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  44. R- That Oakdale listing is the nicest thing I’ve seen in that price range. Makes the other 2 look pretty average- 1 is a cramped vintage, the other cookie cutter albeit with space.

    then again, maybe I just like the furniture.

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  45. Icarus – don’t forget “not the top floor of a hirise, because you’ll get too close to the sun…”

    I know, I know, “But Mama, that’s where the fun is!”

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  46. “and the most expensive in Chicago so your in luck you dont want to live there. Two streets over from your described area is burling, the most expensive block in Chicago according to Forbes magazine. Sorry such a long post I just disagreed with everything you said.”

    And that’s fine. To each their own; as my name indicates, I’m more an ELV guy.

    This part of Old Town just seems to really emphasize the Old. Wealthy? Yeah — older money. Vibrancy? To me, not so much. That’s why I pointed out St. Michael’s — it just feels incredibly old and aged compared to St. Clement in what I consider the “better” part of ELP, bounded by Webster/Orchard/Wrightwood/Lake Michigan. And for what it’s worth, I like the aesthetic of Burling from Fullerton to Oakdale more than the southern stretch.

    This hood just feels like it’s in its Sunset years. But, like I said, to each their own. ;)

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  47. “That’s why I pointed out St. Michael’s — it just feels incredibly old and aged compared to St. Clement in what I consider the “better” part of ELP”

    In that case, heres a recommendation for your youthfulness. I remember everyone talking about this sort of thing at St. Clement.

    http://chicago.timeout.com/articles/features/24895/sunday-party-sunday

    To each their own I guess.

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  48. “In that case, heres a recommendation for your youthfulness. I remember everyone talking about this sort of thing at St. Clement.”

    That has nothing to do with St. Clement. DePaul, both as a Church and University, is a completely different animal, and I completely agree with you.

    Fun anecdote? I remember a “gay dance” at DePaul some years ago, hosted in the Cortelyou Commons in which they had drag AND on top of that, one guy deepthroated a giant dildo right as Fr. Holtschnieder (President of the Uni) walked in. I saw his eyes go O_O and he left shortly thereafter.

    In was the most embarrassing thing in the world to witness. So no stars from me on DePaul’s Catholic performance, but I don’t see how that has to do with the vibrancy of Clement compared to Michael, or how it relates to neighborhood vibrancy.

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  49. We’ll always disagree about fireplaces, calling the bottom of the market, etc. But can we at least come to an agreement that the phrase “to each. . .own” must contain his or her (or its if speaking of an entity)? I don’t know if I can handle hearing or reading “to each their own” one more time.

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  50. I remember people talking about going to “ass mass” at St. Clement. It was the Saturday night 5pm service. They went there for the sole purpose of picking up girls. This doesnt seem to be the case at St. Michaels because the population might be older it seems to having a more family oriented feeling. I havent been to either in years so I am not expert on this discussion maybe someone else can break down a list of pros and cons for the Churches? AS for vibrancy I think both areas have it, just different forms. If you right out of college you’ll probably enjoy the bars more in the area your talking about because it does tend to have a much younger population. For me personally I’m not attracted to living near that Diversy/Broadway/Clark intersetion and getting all the slip over from bars like “Duffys”. The area that this property is in seems to be a mixed crowd age wise. There is lots of young family activities that take place which you might see as vibrant but is for others. And you dont get the college crowd as much because these streets are mostly single family homes and can’t be afforded by younger people. I would get much more use out of a park like bauler in your front yard and would find more enjoyment in that, then say living above Caribou Coffee looking out the window at “Mickeys bar”.

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  51. “We’ll always disagree about fireplaces, calling the bottom of the market, etc. But can we at least come to an agreement that the phrase “to each. . .own” must contain his or her (or its if speaking of an entity)? I don’t know if I can handle hearing or reading “to each their own” one more time.”

    Ok. Do you mind if I use “to each his own” and “each to his own” interchangeably?

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  52. Not at all, Flo, not at all. All that matters is that “each” be used with a singular pronoun. Anyone who doesn’t, well, they can kiss our grits.

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  53. Flo —

    You seem very invested in supporting this ‘hood and this property. Good job?

    I’m sorry if I’m personally planting the “!” in Old! Town. And feel free to put that statement on passiveaggressivenotes.com.

    I’ll continue to maintain my belief that this area feels old and dead — not to mention creepy. From the weird street cut-offs (enacted in 1981 to stop drug trafficking while it was re-gentrifying, no doubt) to the boring nature of Lincoln, Armitage, and North Ave right here, to that Hostel-esque Carnival Foods, my position remains immutable.

    I only used St. Michael’s as a bellweather because — no matter your beliefs — I feel that places of worship are, in fact, a positive identifier of a vibrant community. A place as monied as this should not have a dilapidated, gorgeous Cathedral like St. Mike’s compared to the less grandiose facades/grounds of Clement or even Carmel. And both those parishes have schools — so how is St. Michael more “family oriented” than either Carmel or Clement? It isn’t. Mike’s dying interior is indicative of a dying, aging, Sunset-year neighborhood — so why buy at $1.75mm up the block when you could make that money go far far far in proper ELP or even ELV?

    This place, again, puts the “!” in Old! Town.

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  54. Sorry. .75mm, not 1.75mm. Typo!

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  55. “You seem very invested in supporting this ‘hood and this property.”

    Just like hearing about what people like and dislike about the area. I have learned a lot from this site and appreciate most opinions. As for the property, I think its beautiful. Overpriced, probably, and I’m not sold on the idea of a duplex down, or even a condo for that matter. So, I’ve been talking more about the neighborhood.

    ‘so why buy at $.75mm up the block when you could make that money go far far far in proper ELP or even ELV?”

    Lincoln School district has to be the main driving factor over ELV. I pretty much just feel the opposite of you in terms of this area being creepy. I like the cut off streets and historic architecture and find this area more beautiful more than any other part of the city. Like I said before Wells St has to be one of my favorites in the city, some of my best summer days were going to the art fair in Old town and Wells with family and friends.

    St. Michaels block party could be viewed as vibrant. Not an expert here, so gonna leave it alone.

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  56. “Lincoln School district has to be the main driving factor over ELV. I pretty much just feel the opposite of you in terms of this area being creepy. I like the cut off streets and historic architecture and find this area more beautiful more than any other part of the city. Like I said before Wells St has to be one of my favorites in the city, some of my best summer days were going to the art fair in Old town and Wells with family and friends.”

    You could live on Belden and send your kids to Lincoln. You could rent on Arlington and do the same. Or, in line with our Catholi-centric convo, you could send them to Carmel or Clement. And Alcott, Agazzi, and Nettelhorst are not death sentences.

    Or, at this price point, you may be anticipating Latin or Parker.

    I get it Flo — you’re in heat about this hood. And so are the monied persons trying to sell it as “established” and “amazing.” Thing is? The mobile nu-monied underclass would prefer to live a little bit north.

    This place should pray for an ignorant, monied empty nester at this price point, and nothing more. Granted, every condo and rental and this city is, too, but hey — may as well join the party!

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  57. Here’s a Lincoln District idea for you, Flo.

    ELP proper. Belden between Lincoln and Geneva. 2/2, but basement is unfinished. It isn’t dazzling, but is a SFH. Parking included, plus a true backyard. $700K.

    http://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/631-W-Belden-Ave-60614/home/13348892

    There’s also a 4bd duplex down on Fullerton between Cleveland and Clark for $700K. It would be a better comp, but it’s on Fullerton so I linked the Belden SFH instead.

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  58. Boiztown, that’s not ELP proper. ELP proper is anything East of Clark, but it doesn’t matter, that’s just semantics nowadays. it is a great location and seems like a great listing.

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  59. …Nettelhorst are not death sentences”

    Nettelhorst is an exceptional public school. As good as Lincoln Elmentary.

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  60. We’ll always disagree about fireplaces, calling the bottom of the market, etc. But can we at least come to an agreement that the phrase “to each. . .own” must contain his or her (or its if speaking of an entity)? I don’t know if I can handle hearing or reading “to each their own” one more time.

    USE THIS INSTEAD:

    DE GUSTIBUS NON EST DISPUTANTUM.

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  61. “Boiztown, that’s not ELP proper. ELP proper is anything East of Clark”

    lol

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  62. I meant East of Clark in LP, of course. Not the entire damn Clark stretch.

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  63. “I meant East of Clark in LP, of course. Not the entire damn Clark stretch.”

    lol

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  64. Do I have to point out things that are so obvious, in such specifics? I’m operating under the assumption that I am talking to people who for instance, are talking about Lincoln Elementary here, as oppose to attending it.

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  65. “Do I have to point out things that are so obvious, in such specifics? I’m operating under the assumption that I am talking to people who for instance, are talking about Lincoln Elementary here, as oppose to attending it.”

    This comment makes no sense to me, so I will simply continue to lol at your assertion that the 400-600 W blocks of Belden Ave aren’t ELP since they aren’t east of Clark.

    lol

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  66. Boiztown, pls elaborate and share your wisdom then. I suggest you befriend some old and established Chicogoans who will tell you where the original dividing line of these established neighborhoods are. I don’t think the people who live in the co-ops on Lakeview Street will laugh as out loud as you do to your comment.

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  67. Boiztown, did I not say in the same post that it was not an important detail anyway? Because it is not, and I also added that the address is still a very good address. But, if you want to be really correct about it, the real, the original East Lincoln Park is East of Clark. As I said, talk to some old and established Chicagoans who’ll snob the hell out you to your assertion that 400-600 Block of West Belden is ELP proper.

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  68. “I don’t think the people who live in the co-ops on Lakeview Street will laugh as out loud as you do to your comment.”

    I think they’ll lol at your assertion the millionaire homeowners on Belden/Webster/Grant/Deming/Arlington/Wrightwood between Orchard and Clark aren’t ELP.

    And that doesn’t even include the N-S streets like Cambridge/Cleveland/Orchard/Geneva. :)

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  69. Spinoza, DE GUSTIBUS NON EST DISPUTANTUM is actually DISPUTANDUM, with a D in the last syllable.

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  70. Lincoln #15, Nettelhorst #65

    http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2010/Best-Elementary-Schools-City-of-Chicago/

    “Nettelhorst is an exceptional public school. As good as Lincoln Elmentary.”

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  71. “Here’s a Lincoln District idea for you, Flo.”

    Thats in interesting listing. Personally, I would rather drop this kind of money on a detached property like the one you gave us, and that location seems pretty good. I do agree that other parts are lincoln park are nice, and this example could be a trade off that I’d take.

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  72. “detached property”

    or close enough..not sure whats going on there, if its technically detached, but you get the idea

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  73. Mover,
    You are absolutely right, but, I didn’t notice my typo, and unfortunately, I don’t have the ability to edit my posts here…

    boiztown, one of the most expensive blocks in the city, near the Oz Park, Burling Street is not in ELP and that is why I also said that in today’s real estate envrionment these distinctions are somewhat irrelevant but you continue to insist on what is a none-issue.

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  74. “ELP proper. Belden between Lincoln and Geneva. 2/2, but basement is unfinished. It isn’t dazzling, but is a SFH. Parking included, plus a true backyard. $700K.”

    Half that “true backyard” is the parking pad, and the rest of it is pretty small, even by city standards.

    Plus, nothing *I* like better than sharing my alley with multiple drinking establishments. All the better to hear breaking glass (from dumping bottle in bins) late, early or both.

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  75. Hey, anon, it was just an option. Some may prefer that to the desolation and creeper-ness of North and Larabee that bound this place.

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  76. “some may prefer that to the desolation and creeper-ness of North and Larabee that bound this place.”

    or the cheerfulness and enjoyable times of Wells and Armitage that bound this place. had to, you already know where I stand. =)

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  77. Ha! Touche, Flo. ;)

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  78. under contract!!!!

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  79. 1849 N Cleveland closed on 4/26/2011 for $712,000…Looks like other people agree with Flo on this neighborhood. I don’t think many CC’s who rag on duplex-downs know what they’re talking about!

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  80. With expensive sales like this in LP for a duplex down, for goodness sakes, it appears we’ve already passed the bottom. 1849 N. Cleveland is simply looking at the bottom in the rear view mirror.

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  81. This is a beautiful greystone in one of our best neighborhoods. I have a handful of friends within a block or two of this address and absolutely love it. Not sure what all the commotion is about but looks like it sold which doesn’t surprise me.

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