29% Off For This 3 Bedroom Wrigleyville Duplex Down: 3548 N. Reta
This 3-bedroom newer construction duplex down at 3548 N. Reta in the Wrigleyville neighborhood of Lakeview has been on the market since October 2010.
In that time it has been reduced $50,077.
It is now listed about 29% under the 2007 purchase price.
It has all the features of more expensive construction from 2006 with Brazilian cherry floors, wainscotting throughout, crown molding, plantation shutters and a master suite with a tray ceiling.
The kitchen has upscale appliances by Viking, SubZero and Bosch along with granite counter tops.
The master bath has a heated floor.
The unit is just 3 blocks from Wrigley Field.
The listing doesn’t indicate this is a short sale.
Is this a deal?
Or is this price now simply the market?
Jeffrey Karr at @Properties has the listing. See the pictures here.
Unit #1N: 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, duplex down, no square footage listed, 2 car parking
- Sold in February 2007 for $779,000
- Originally listed in October 2010 for $599,977
- Reduced
- Currently listed at $549,900
- Assessments of $238 a month
- Taxes of $13846
- Central Air
- Washer Dryer in the unit
- Bedroom #1: 14×13 (main level)
- Bedroom #2: 12×10 (main level)
- Bedroom #3: 10×10 (lower level)
- Family room: 18×16 (lower level)
Can’t believe someone paid $779K for this. Wow. Taxes are killer.
I think the real pain is just beginning. The crappy neighborhoods may have gone down 60%, but the true demographic issues will come to light – boomers wanting to cash out and get out of Dodge will do so in the next 5 years, leaving the next generation, who is much smaller and doesn’t make as much money as the boomers did (on an inflation adjusted basis), will not be able to pay the $500-900k for their homes. The boomers will just take 20% less, as they are still way up, and move on. In addition, time is not going to be friendly to people – those who get transferred for work, and household changes will force more people to have to move, and sell at significant losses, including in the green zone.
Taxes are like country club dues – property owners all pay their % share. if you are reassessed, then other owners have to pay more.
Nice appliances in the kitchen. What an idiot for paying $779. Wow. I hope that person isn’t a financial planner or something.
Taxes will be adjusted with the next sale and the current owners could appeal now as the home is simply not going to command their purchase price. As to the asking price: I think it is close.
Wow – I REALLY like this place. I, like most real buyers, don’t really give a shit about how much the people before paid, how much they owe, etc. What people on CC don’t realize is that REAL buyers have a budget and neighborhood in mind. Within those parameters, they look at places which meet their needs. If the property fits, they will buy it.
If I was looking for a place in this area in this price range, this would be at the top of my list. It is beautiful, move-in ready and, most importantly, fits my lifestyle.
Someone hit the lottery or came into an inheritance because they paid both the 80 and 15% mortgages off in the last 2 months. Moving out of the mess that is Addison and Sheffield/Halsted and away from this mistake.
“Can’t believe someone paid $779K for this. Wow. Taxes are killer.”
These newer duplex down units in the $600k to $850k price range are a dime a dozen all over LP and Lakeview (but especially Lakeview.)
How many of these will sell this spring at these prices? This one isn’t even selling at this price.
this unit is very well done – i just wish it wasn’t in wrigleyville.
Perhaps it moves at 500. Eventhough you can appeal those taxes it will take time and is a PITA.
If they paid off the mortgages, why don’t they just rent it out for 5 years and recoupe? Clearly they didn’t need the money from it to move on b/c otherwise they would not have paid off the mortgage and would have used the cash to buy the next place.
“Someone hit the lottery or came into an inheritance because they paid both the 80 and 15% mortgages off in the last 2 months”
uhhh – or they work and paid it off with their own money. You know, there ARE people with money out there.
“If they paid off the mortgages, why don’t they just rent it out for 5 years and recoupe?”
Believe it or not – but money is not the most important thing to many smart people out there. Sanity and peace are so undervalued/underrated.
“uhhh – or they work and paid it off with their own money. You know, there ARE people with money out there.”
Not the same people who put down 5% on a house just under 4 years ago, with the 15% loan likely being an inflated fixed rate. This suggests they spent all they had on the other 5% and they did not save to pay the full mortgage on both in 4 years, it didn’t happen.
“If they paid off the mortgages, why don’t they just rent it out for 5 years and recoupe?”
* * *
Believe it or not – but money is not the most important thing to many smart people out there.
Also, because taxes (add losing the homeowner exemption) and assessments are $1400 per month. Say you can get $3K/mo (no clue here, but sounds right), who wants to BECOME a landlord for $20K/year (probably less after insurance, other costs). Not many “smart people” is my guess. 5 years at $20K isn’t much of a recoupe.
We are in bonus season…
“uhhh – or they work and paid it off with their own money. You know, there ARE people with money out there.”
“These newer duplex down units in the $600k to $850k price range are a dime a dozen all over LP and Lakeview (but especially Lakeview.)”
I think you meant WERE a dime a dozen… And that range is a bit large — not many in the $700-850K range. At least not enough to qualify as dime a dozen. OR — last theory — you meant to qualify it with asking price. The days of the 3/4 mil duplex downs are over my friends.
Urban neighborhood living at its finest and most expensive.
my husband and i have had this one on our favorites list for some time now – we just arent sure if we want a nice 3 br for this price or a 4 br in not such a prime location/nice finishes.
very nice & i can’t imagine it wouldn’t sell sometime this summer somewhere close to current ask.
The other thing that’s interesting is that there was so many ‘luxury’ units built during the boom that luxury is almost the standard nowadays.
No offense whitecity, but this is prime? Wrigleyville, 1/4 block off addison never struck me as prime past the age of 23.
What do you guys think the average age of the people on this site. I am beginning to think that this site is full of people in their twenties and thirties. Everyone is in a panic and thinks that the world of real estate is doomed – but talk to older people and they will tell you that real estate (even this bust) is cyclical – it WILL come back (despite all of the nay-sayers) it always has and always will Every bust/recession/storm brings this type of panic with everyone saying, “Oh no – this time it’s different because of x, y, and z” but every time we recover. Sure, this is a bad one and may take a few more years, but MARK MY WORDS, by 2020-2025, another bubble WILL be brewing. Now is the time to buy – 2020-2025 is the time to sell.
the average age seems a lot closer to late 30’s and 40’s to me. at 25 i feel like one of the youngest posters.
I think it’s pretty safe to say that someone inherited some money.
I’m in my mid-30’s. Anon(tfo) is in his mid-80’s IIRC.
agreed w chimaki,
this location is meh at best. finishes are great though.
I’ve been following this property too. I think it’s corporate owned, hence the payoff.
“I think it’s pretty safe to say that someone inherited some money.”
Oh really – OK – since YOU are saying HD it MUST be true. Unbelievable. I wish everyone could be held accountable for what they post. You can make up any shit you want (as HD is doing) and make it sound credible.
” at 25 i feel like one of the youngest posters.”
Riz, I don’t want to embarrass or “out” you, but how can you be an anesthesia resident at age 25? Obviously you are not. Again, I don’t like embarrassing people but I like to keep things real (for everyone’s sake).
Real buyers look at comps and what u paid for it. Sold 3 properties in a year and all 3 somewhere in the negotiation i heard about what i paid for each and what was fair price to add/subtract due to the time held and what each regional market did since i purchased.
“Someone hit the lottery or came into an inheritance because they paid both the 80 and 15% mortgages off in the last 2 months.”
maybe they refinanced and the new loan hasn’t been recorded yet?
I dunno, I’m not a douchebag who picks into peoples personal business like some folks on here
very nice place though, if it weren’t a duplex down. The finishes look to be top notch
This unit was on the market last summer for sale and for rent ($3500/mo, I believe). I remember the MLS listing said something akin to, “Buy this in the next two weeks or I’m going to rent it out!!” Guess that didn’t work. The frustration/anger was palpable in the listing.
Also, I believe the seller updated the kitchen in order to sell. The previous kitchen had entry-level stainless steel and non-descript cabinetry which makes the 2007 price even more ludicrous.
clio.. Regardless of age u r exhibiting the emotional control of a tired and cranky 4 yr old. Go take a nap.
gringo – wtf are you talking about? why am I cranky – because I pointed out that Riz is lying about who he is? or is it because I am telling you guys that homebuyers don’t always look at the value/price as the highest determining factor of whether or not they buy a place. Both of these things are true – sorry if you don’t like the truth – but insulting me is not going to make me stop explaining what is really happening out there in the real world
“I dunno, I’m not a douchebag who picks into peoples personal business like some folks on here”
I think that the refrain of “I know how much they owe on their mortgages because of what is recorded” is a bit much, but you can’t really fault people for reviewing public records. These records exist for a reason – to provide information about private control of what used to be public property, describe easements and other exceptions and verify that the tax burden is being appropriately shared, as well as putting potential buyers or lenders on notice about the nature of a party’s title to land. Anyway, if people care to obscure this information, they easily can, it just takes time and money.
“I am telling you guys that homebuyers don’t always look at the value/price as the highest determining factor of whether or not they buy a place.”
Clio, don’t you ever get tired of erecting this straw man? Who has ever argued on CC that this isn’t true? Heck, it’s what keeps most of the knife catchers buying, although at greatly reduced numbers due to the importance of value/price to the rest of the market.
“Both of these things are true – sorry if you don’t like the truth.”
I honestly believe whatever Riz has posted here. He makes no unsupported claims and doesn’t lead with personal attacks. You, on the other hand, have had some of your claims proven incorrect here several times. Sure, you move the goalposts and claim otherwise, but we expect that now.
Oh yeah, this property. Buy it now because you can afford it and you believe it will make your life superior to what can be accomplished in a similar rental, or, buy something pretty much identical for less in the near future. Dem’s da choices.
“I honestly believe whatever Riz has posted here. He makes no unsupported claims and doesn’t lead with personal attacks.”
G – this statement speaks volumes. Riz absolutely has posted that he is an anesthesia resident finishing soon and then stated that he was 25. There is no way in hell that these two things could be true. Do I have to spell it out for you? Good grief – if you can’t grasp this simple fact, what else are you missing?!!!
Oh yeah, G – one more thing in case you didn’t see (and since you have been so interested in posting the listing history over and over):
http://www.redfin.com/IL/Saint-Charles/3N645-Ponderosa-Dr-60175/home/17970713
Full asking price – So F- U, asshole.
– this statement speaks volumes. Riz absolutely has posted that he is an anesthesia resident finishing soon and then stated that he was 25. There is no way in hell that these two things could be true. Do I have to spell it out for you? Good grief – if you can’t grasp this simple fact, what else are you missing?!!!
Huh?
no need to bring me into your insecurities pal. My birthday is March 26. I turn 26 this spring. I graduated high school with at 17 with 1 year of AP credit and finished college at 20. I completed medical school at 24 and am finishing my 2nd year of residency with 2 to go. Where exactly do i not add up smart ass?
“Riz, I don’t want to embarrass or “out” you, but how can you be an anesthesia resident at age 25? Obviously you are not. Again, I don’t like embarrassing people but I like to keep things real (for everyone’s sake).”
See above. I think you’re lying about the lambo, the condo, everything. Bitch as much as you want, but i don’t paint nearly as unrealistic a picture as you do pal.
Uhh – you said that you were being interviewed for jobs already – nobody looks for jobs with 2 more years of training to go.
And for someone who talks big about respect (re: the terms “uncle/aunt” in indian society) you certainly don’t seem to show any…… You are a young spoiled smart ass kid who thinks he knows it all. You are really going to have a hard time in the next 20 years when you realize what the world is all about. Please, achieve something first, and then talk….
PS, i also started and completed a Masters at my medical school. That’s 2 graduate degrees when I was 24. So eat it Clio.
I agree that this is a really nice place. But im surprised to hear that folks here would be daunted by only seeing the place how it is. I think there is a tremendous opportunity out there for buyers who arent daunted by seeing a place in disrepair and have a vision for the place involving working with a general contractor.
So far i’ve tended to avoid that are so nicely finished, because first off i’d probably be paying a 25% premium in purchase price when i could probably achieve the same end result for 10-15% and have it exactly how i want it.
I had two masters degrees when i was 23 (and two bachelors), eat that!
“Uhh – you said that you were being interviewed for jobs already – nobody looks for jobs with 2 more years of training to go.”
That is absolutely untrue. Private practice groups start talking to residents in our programs during their CA-1 year. Our attendings have been very proactive in getting us to speak with groups in competitive markets since this past fall, most CA-2’s have secured jobs at this point. Not sure how it works in Rads, but that’s anesthesia.
“See above. I think you’re lying about the lambo, the condo, everything. Bitch as much as you want, but i don’t paint nearly as unrealistic a picture as you do pal”
Riz – people here already have looked me up and verified that everything I have posted about myself is true. Valasko has even seen me driving my lamborghini. The only reason I continue this idiotic line of posts is to let the other readers know who is who. Readers SHOULD know who is behind the posts. Seriously, if you were a potential homebuyer/homeseller, would you listen to a 44 y/o with many houses/condos who has been flipping/renovating for 16 years or would you listen to a 25 y/o who rents and knows NOTHING about real estate. There is nothing personal meant in these “attacks” – but everyone should know the people behind the monikers so they can weigh what these people say accordingly.
“1) have you ever been laid?
2) when is the arranged marriage going to happen?”
1. Ask your spouse.
2. been in a relationship since college. thanks.
if you don’t want to get burned again, keep my name out of your mouth. I save people’s lives for a living, you are a racist troll on an internet forum. Stick to butterfield ave.
“And for someone who talks big about respect (re: the terms “uncle/aunt” in indian society) you certainly don’t seem to show any…… You are a young spoiled smart ass kid who thinks he knows it all. You are really going to have a hard time in the next 20 years when you realize what the world is all about. Please, achieve something first, and then talk….”
I always give respect when it’s due. I never call you out on any of your real estate talk and agree with you 90% of the time. I only call you out when you’re being a jerk and i expect the same in return.
Riz – line 1 was a great comeback!! Let’s call a truce…..
Gesco,
why do you have to bring up real estate on this thread? Can’t you see we are busy discussing education, race, sex, etc.?
PS – I can vouch for Gesco – he actually does have a masters – and from Harvard!!!
“Riz – line 1 was a great comeback!! Let’s call a truce…..”
Deal. This place is always more enjoyable when the disagreements are civil.
“I had two masters degrees when i was 23 (and two bachelors), eat that!”
I’ll eat it. But i’ll say 24 with an MD and a Masters is just about a tie. =D
well since we are outing ourselves. Think of me as Floyd from the flic True Romance
lol gringo, picturing this right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPAfTDsx1-4
whitecity is 28.
i suppose the word prime is relative – i say prime because the other areas where we could get a 4br for this price are more wicker park or north center(near hamlin park) or maybe lincoln square. this area is more ‘prime’ than those areas to me bc of proximity to more restaurants, school district.
that’s my opinion tho, im sure someone will argue with me on that.
ps – groove, bc of you we’ve been trying to explore other options & go thru some open houses in jefferson park & portage park & get a full house w a yard. thanks for your advice on that! that’s why i read cribchatter 🙂
Picture 3 shows what is wrong with many of these properties. Dark kitchen cabinets, lighter wood floor and then white painted wood on the walls. I mean cannot the interior stick to one or 2 types of wood?
” say prime because the other areas where we could get a 4br for this price are more wicker park or north center(near hamlin park) or maybe lincoln square. this area is more ‘prime’ than those areas to me bc of proximity to more restaurants, school district.
that’s my opinion tho, im sure someone will argue with me on that.”
Prime refers to the best, top quality, rare, imo…
I would associate Prime Chicago locations to be LP, SV, parts of RN, GC…maybe OT and MP…or undeveloped land such as Cabrini.
“Anon(tfo) is in his mid-80’s IIRC.”
Close enough.
The premium for a GatorDeck seems to have dropped precipitously. I have to assume that they paid $779 largely because of the relative rarity of a *private* GatorDeck with a condo.
Riz “I’ll eat it. But i’ll say 24 with an MD and a Masters is just about a tie. =D”
No seriously Riz well done, it always cool to hear about other ambitious young people. I have countless friends who took a year off after HS and then spent 5 yrs to graduate after changing majors several times. Not to say that they are behind, but im sure they will keep that whole rhythm for the rest of their life.
“Full asking price – So F- U, asshole.”
Yes, and we should all bow to your RE genius due to your losing investment.
G – not asking anyone to bow down to anyone else – but since you did mention “RE genius”, you could give me credit for making millions in Boston in the late 90s through condo conversions… yes, a little credit WOULD be nice….
G, really… ? considering half the time we are discussing properties here that sold for 60-40% off their peak price. Clio is selling his for 600 when he purchased it for 530, a 13% increase.
To me that shows that Clio really researched his initial purchase and got a deal, so much so that he is able to sell it a premium. Also remember since he owns his own brokerage he closing costs are alot less.
You gotta give credit where credit is due, congrats Clio!
To be honest for anyone that can manage to sell there place and get what they paid for it from 2005 on I think they have done a good job with the initial purchase. And they are in a good situation cause they can trade up to something more expensive. They can now buy another property at its 2001, something perhaps they wouldnt have been able to afford in 2005.
oh Riz…knowing u r an anaesthesiologist to be if i ever come back to chi town i am hitting you up so i can personally show u my Dennis Hopper Blue Velvet impression.
gesco – you bring up a very good point that is often overlooked by potential buyers/sellers. Sure sellers may take a hit, but if they can find an even better bargain, they may be better off in the long run. PS – thanks for the congrats.
” suppose the word prime is relative – i say prime because the other areas where we could get a 4br for this price are more wicker park or north center(near hamlin park) or maybe lincoln square. this area is more ‘prime’ than those areas to me bc of proximity to more restaurants, school district.
that’s my opinion tho, im sure someone will argue with me on that.”
-Makes sense, and you obviously know your situation better than anyone here, but if there’s already a family or thought of a family soon, I’d say this location is fairly poor.
Yeah , i think you’re on to something clio. Some things never change. Okay, off to do a dozen intubations and get yelled at by a few attendings for being late. Have a good one everybody.
Dennis Hopper Blue Velvet
Nice reference.
Gesco, clio said himself he will lose ~$100K on it. That’s likely not counting opp costs of tying up $530K cash for those years.
“G – not asking anyone to bow down to anyone else – but since you did mention “RE genius”, you could give me credit for making millions in Boston in the late 90s through condo conversions… yes, a little credit WOULD be nice….”
clio, there is no proof whatsoever that it happened. Just like my past investments.
White City,
also check out galewood, the most racially diverse working middle class “stable” hood in Chicago. (You get the metra but loose the L, loose 90/94 but get 290ish)
“ps – groove, bc of you we’ve been trying to explore other options & go thru some open houses in jefferson park & portage park & get a full house w a yard. thanks for your advice on that! that’s why i read cribchatter”
Clio, how did you lose that much on it in just 2 years? Did you do any improvements. Or are you just talking about your mortgage and taxes that you’ve paid in those two years?
“Clio: I have to admit I based my observation on only eating at Grotto on Butterfield, and there were good-looking people there, as compared to the places where Riz hangs out.”
Yes Dan. Way hotter girls in lombard and oakbrook terrace than at Epic , Sunda, or Sixteen on a Saturday night. What brand of crack are you smoking?
“G – you really seem to have it out for me – what gives? Am I that interesting to you? Why don’t you just stick to posting data and let the grown ups analyze/interpret it.”
This old one again? You can see my response here:
http://cribchatter.com/?p=10060#comment-133077
“Clio, how did you lose that much on it in just 2 years? Did you do any improvements. Or are you just talking about your mortgage and taxes that you’ve paid in those two years?”
Here is the anatomy of a loss (even with a higher selling price):
2008: 530k purchase price (33% down)
closing costs: 8k
30 months of mortgage interest and taxes: 104.5k
30 months of upkeep/repairs: 60k
buyers commission: 2.5 % of 600k purchase: 15k
Total cost to me: 688k
Sale price: 600k
Loss = 88k (yeah – not 100k, but close enough). Actually, the loss is a little less because I can deduct it from my income tax – so the real loss is something like 57k – a small price to pay for dodging a big bullet!!!
Clio, I still think you did relatively well given the market conditions right now. If that you was how you fared selling 13% over your purchase price. I would hate to think about how the folks fare net who sell 30% under and have to cover both Listing and buyer agent commissions
Wouldn’t it also be smaller than even that, since you shouldn’t count what you paid in your mortgage towards principal, only interest? I mean since you get that back when you sell the property.
“Wouldn’t it also be smaller than even that, since you shouldn’t count what you paid in your mortgage towards principal, only interest? I mean since you get that back when you sell the property.”
I only factored in interest and taxes (not my principal) – and remember that there was lost opportunity on my 200k investment over the past 30 months – but you are correct – I feel pretty good about this deal in the current situation. I also don’t regret it – I have learned quite a bit about real estate/development and how not to make the same mistakes again.
Clio, why sell your Ponderosa ranch now? If you’re in it for the money, and have the money to carry it, wouldn’t you be better off seeing what that place is worth in 5 or 10? That’s a lot of land in St. Charles.
I took you up on your desire to “bet anything,” clio. Are you a man of your word, or not?
http://cribchatter.com/?p=10060#comment-133077
“Clio, why sell your Ponderosa ranch now? If you’re in it for the money, and have the money to carry it, wouldn’t you be better off seeing what that place is worth in 5 or 10?”
Clio talks it, but he don’t walk it?
“That’s a lot of land in St. Charles.”
That’s a lot of nearby sewage treatment plant, too.
JJJ – it is true that the land will be worth double what it is today in a few years (it sold for 900k in 2004). However, I am NOT in it for the money – I enjoy the development/redesign aspects of real estate and, unfortunately, St. Charles is a bit too far for me to travel to properly oversee the development of this land. I also think it would be wiser for me to take on a project in an area that I like to visit (ie the city).
As for the sewage treatment facility, G is completely wrong. There are million dollar homes and several acres of prairie that separate my farm and the water treatment facility. There are no foul odors or anything. Again, I don’t understand his problem with me. He is totally obsessed with me and my properties. Please G – you are beginning to act like a psycho stalker. Just forget about me and my properties – look at your posts on this thread – they all revolve around me. Stop it already – you are embarrassing yourself!!!
I wore a pair of Bad Idea Jeans for halloween one year. They lived up to their advertising.
one thing i found nice about girls in Chicago, very approachable.
Sabrina, please deep 6 this thread.
G, too much for clio to lose by taking that bet. Even if he believes he has a 99% chance of winning, the stakes are too high. Plus he doesnt want you to go away either.
Since this thread is already full of aids I have a fun little anecdote. I was at a party last weekend and CC came up. I was surprised how many people really love the site (great job Sabrina!). So I got to talking with 5 or 6 people who read CC regiously but never post. We all agreed that the only people who offer good RE advice to a perspective Chicago home buyer:
anon (tfo) – all around great insight, especially about schools and property value. never misses a small lot, etc.
gary – great insight from a RE agent
russ – great insight from a lender
groove – great insight on neighborhoods and fun stories
Everyone else is comic relief from boring days at works*
On a personal note – clio please take G’s bet. I have finally figured out you are one of the greatest internet trolls of all time. You derail EVERY thread. You have greatly surpassed westlooplo and his giant walls of text for the worst thing to have happened to this site.
*I apologize if I missed anyone but I don’t think so
“anon (tfo) – never misses a small lot, etc.”
awesome, i laughed so hard i let out a toot. shall now go check for streaks
“I apologize if I missed anyone but I don’t think so”
I’m personally a big fan of Architect for great insight on architecture. Wish he would post more often.
“I’m personally a big fan of Architect for great insight on architecture. Wish he would post more often.”
I do wish he would post more too, mad insight the kid has.
but alas he must be one of the few *working architects.
“I apologize if I missed anyone but I don’t think so”
I think Laura Lozader has some good insight about Rogers Park and gotta love how ChiTownGal chimes in a few days later
does anyone have a comprehensive list of all the regulars?
“does anyone have a comprehensive list of all the regulars?”
G. But he won’t share it unless you’re a paying client.
b – sounds like a really fun party…… good grief!!
“G. But he won’t share it unless you’re a paying client.”
ok underwear was ok last time, but this time i dont know if i can say the same.
good stuff!
b – if your friends are really taking advice from anyone on this site about home buying, then they are incredibly naiive and must be very very young. They need to analyze data for themselves and not rely on the (often false) information and opinion spouted as “fact” on this site. This site is obviously for entertainment and is a great outlet for people obsessed with real estate.
oh if only joe zekas and steve heitman would join this thread it would burst into flames of awesomeness
clio, there is some great advice here. Just you, like Heitman before u, don’t want to listen to it.
G – I accept your bet – but I don’t want you to be banned from here when I win – what will you do for fun? If I lose, then Sabrina can ban me.
hey clio, when’s the closing date on the Ponderosa, anyway?
Getting a mirror to shave in the shower. In the top ten greatest pieces of advice ever – from CC.
no better place to shave… Just make sure it’s a defog. Thats something else i never get, all these photos of nice big glass enclosed showers. How come for about 1k more no one puts in a damn steamist.
“How come for about 1k more no one puts in a damn steamist.”
You got a plumber in Chicago who would install one for free? And will run the electric for free too? Please forward his contact info!
lol b, I’m here to help 8)
Didn’t see when, but this place is under contract now.