A 1-Bedroom With a Massive Terrace Returns to the Market: 100 E. Huron in River North
This 1-bedroom in Chicago Place at 100 E. Huron in River North came on the market in April 2021
Chicago Place was constructed in 1991 and has 204 units and commercial space on the first 10 floors.
It has an attached rental parking garage.
It’s a full amenity building with doormen, an exercise room and an indoor pool just off the Mag Mile.
If this unit looks familiar, that’s because we chattered about it when it was last on the market in October 2017.
It had just been completely renovated and was on the market for the first time since 1993.
See our chatter here.
If you recall, it has custom oak floors throughout and crown molding.
The kitchen was renovated in the last sale and has white cabinets, stainless steel appliances and white counter tops along with a breakfast bar.
There are French doors to the master bedroom where it also has a master bath that has also been renovated.
The unit also has a half bath.
It has upscale appliances throughout the unit by Bosch, FisherPaykel and Toto.
But the real selling point of this unit is still the private 385 square foot west-facing terrace.
It is landscaped and has what looks to be wood decking, which even the building’s own terrace doesn’t have.
There’s also a pergola.
I believe there are only 2 terraces on this level and a few on one of the upper levels so outdoor space is rare in this building.
Listed in October 2017 at $615,000, it ended up selling in February 2018 at $530,000.
It has come back on the market in 2021 at $599,000.
Will it get the premium?
Julie Harron at Jameson Sotheby’s has the listing. See the pictures and floor plan here.
Unit #1107: 1 bedroom, 1.5 baths, 1045 square feet
- Sold in January 1991 for $186,000
- Sold in November 1993 for $258,000
- Sold in February 2018 for $530,000
- Listed in April 2021 at $599,000
- Currently still listed at $599,000
- Assessments are now $774 a month (they were $673 a month in 2017)(includes heat, a/c, doorman, exercise room, pool, scavenger, cable)
- Taxes are now $7783 (they were $6055 in 2017)
- Parking is rental in the building
- Central Air
- Washer/Dryer in the unit
- Bedroom: 12×17
- Living/dining combo: 16×24
- Kitchen: 11×14
- Terrace: 10×38
Wow I was much more bullish in 17
While I like the burl table, the design choices aren’t going to help sell this
Good time to list to get max value out of the terrace
I think buyers in locations like this would be better off waiting for the verdict in the Chauvin trial. Rioting will have a serious impact on the value
‘“The design choices aren’t going to help sell this”
The bones of the place appear to be of great quality and completely updated and neutral.
Listing 70k above the 2018 sales price seems like a stretch.
I really liked this unit with its previous decor. I still like the space, but the current design choices hurt it.
I look forward to living in something like this in forty years.
“I think buyers in locations like this would be better off waiting for the verdict in the Chauvin trial. Rioting will have a serious impact on the value”
I agree. I have been out of town for a few months now and will not return to my East Loop condo until after everything has settled. Don’t care to watch rioting from my balcony again.
“the master bedroom where it also has a master bath”
So, if there is only one bedroom, we can call it “Master”, but if there is more than one, it’s “primary”??
Not sure that makes any sense.
To the unit:
The TV location in the LR would be *dramatically* improved if they crammed a fireplace beneath it. As it is, it combines the worst of TV over fireplace placement and LRs with no place to actually put the TV. Terrible!
The only positive is that I couldn’t notice anything about the decor that others mentioned, bc of the TV.
“Listing 70k above the 2018 sales price seems like a stretch.”
They probably spent $35k on that pergola (it was a pop-up tent thing last sale), so what do you expect?
“ They probably spent $35k on that pergola (it was a pop-up tent thing last sale), so what do you expect”
Sabrina, whom is self described as very smart thinks the Pergola would be > $100k
“I think buyers in locations like this would be better off waiting for the verdict in the Chauvin trial. Rioting will have a serious impact on the value”
Remember how Sabrina has been saying for the past two months now how protesting and subsequent rioting was so last summer and now over.
How Downtown is going to “boom” starting in May or 11 days from now. Yet downtown shops are boarding up again. I imagine some are closing for the week as well as a precaution for workers and patrons.
The ugly, divisive reminders of last summer are back. This also doesn’t take into account 1 year olds getting shot in drive-by’s on LSD in broad daylight across from popular tourist attractions.
Bullish!
“Sabrina, whom is self described as very smart thinks the Pergola would be > $100l”
It’s “Sabrina, who is self described…” “whom” is an objective pronoun, and Sabrina is the subject of your sentence.
We’ve been gone most of the year, since the end of June 2020. Came back for Christmas then back to FL. Our neighbor left in Sept for FL as well, hasnt been back yet, doesn’t plan on coming back this year at all. Another neighbor went to TX to stay with his brother last summer, only been back once as well. People with means are gone. Not leaving, but gone. The next step will be dumping Chicago properties and most likely relocating out of state for the vast majority if they can afford to. Rah Rah boosters are severely underestimating the political, social and financial crisis IL and Chicago are in.
“Rah Rah boosters are severely underestimating the political, social and financial crisis IL and Chicago are in.”
I disagree. What you call a crisis, they call reform. It goes without saying that they want to live in a city where criminals roam freely and loot and burn, and ‘mostly peaceful protests’ occur all summer long, and everyone must wear two or more masks at all times to virtue signal their piety to St. Fauci.
And if you don’t like the social reordering and ‘reforms’ that are underway, they’ll tell you to leave, and don’t let the door hit your butt on the way out. You don’t belong here any more and they don’t want you here anyways. They’re Rah Rah precisely because what you call a disaster, they call one step closer to utopia.
I have all sorts of love for his place. Super digging the fake fireplace for some reason.
Yeah the TV is a bit high on the wall, but that is exactly where I would put it in this unit as I would want my couch facing those great windows.
I am thinking more like $560k because of the rental parking.
Interesting NYT article today about migration patterns and the effect (or non-effect) of covid (based on post office change of address data):
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/19/upshot/how-the-pandemic-did-and-didnt-change-moves.html
TL;DR:
1) Generally, places that were losing population continued to lose and places that were gaining population continued to gain.
2) NY and SF were outliers, possibly because they have a larger share of jobs that can be done remotely
3) Even in NY and SF, people mostly moved within metro areas (city to suburbs or central city to outer areas) more than between metros
Did a staycation downtown over the weekend to take kids to museum. Most of the luxury stores on Michigan / Oak Street were busy throwing up plywood. I guess nothing says fight the power like free Gucci and Prada.
Nice enough but if I buy in a high rise I want views. The terrace partially makes up for lack of views, I suppose.
The plywood on Michigan Avenue and thereabouts has to go. This can’t simply become part of the scenery, or we might as well just all move to Schaumburg because it will be the end of the Mag Mile.
I’m very glad about the guilty verdict today, but when will the next riot be? The next time a white cop kills an innocent black person? That happens all the time, unfortunately, and the city has to find a way to protect business owners from the consequences without ruining the look and feel of our downtown. It’s bad enough that there are cop cars with lights flashing just sitting around on every corner of Michigan Avenue. Feels like a police state.
I don’t have better ideas, of course. I hope smart minds are giving it some thought. My main thought (unrealistic) is to throw the book at anyone caught looting. But the prisons aren’t big enough to throw all the hoodlums in.
In case anyone wonders, I have no problem with people peacefully protesting injustice, and the Floyd killing was a cruel injustice. But the consequence can’t be what’s happened to Chicago over the last year. It will kill our city.
” The next time a white cop kills an innocent black person? That happens all the time,”
my fucking ass that happens all the time, about 99% of these cases are people killing dangerous criminals about to shoot at the police
https://www.newsweek.com/181-black-people-have-been-killed-police-since-george-floyds-death-1584740
and on a percentage of crime committed basis they are actually killed less often than whites are by the police
fuck outta here with that propaganda bullshit
Sonies, I seem to have touched a nerve.
Even if it only happens a few times a year that the person killed is actually innocent (or it’s a traffic stop that goes badly and the person killed didn’t actually do anything besides make the officer feel threatened and the officer mistook their gun for a taser – for instance) the fact is, it happens.
Even in the majority of cases when the person killed isn’t “innocent,” unless they’re holding a gun or knife and the officer truly feels he or she is in danger, it’s hard to justify execution for whatever the crime (counterfeiting?) might be.
And plenty of non-blacks get killed by cops every year, too. The U.S. is so far ahead in people killed by cops compared to other Western democracies it’s embarrassing.
I support law enforcement.I support their right to defend themselves and I know very well the type of stuff they have to deal with and the low-lifes they encounter, having spent years as a reporter covering the cops both in Chicago and elsewhere. They have very hard jobs. And as you say, 99% of the time, they defended themselves for good reason.
But that means potentially dozens or even hundreds of un-justified killings by cops can occur in a year, and if it’s going to cause riots every time, we’ve got a problem (beyond the basic problem of police killing people who don’t deserve it).
Ironically, today’s guilty verdict is likely the worst news for Chicago’s future. It feels a bit like the “One More Time” music video by Daft Punk that my sons love so much to watch on youtubes.
In case you’re not familiar with the video, its a cartoon music video set to a late 1990’s electronic dance song. Everyone is partying really hard and celebrating; but the bad guys sneak onto the planet while the watch guards were themselves partying too much. The video ends with the watch guards pressing the emergency button to mobilize forces against the bad guys but its too late because the bad guys are already there.
This video is a perfect metaphor for Chicago, because while most of the city may be celebrating the verdict of Derek Chauvin, and the life sentence he will receive, in the background, the city is collapsing behind them out of sight. It is indisputable that crime rates have skyrocketing and citizens are fleeing as downtown collapses. The police are even more demoralized and fetal today than they were a year ago. The end of pro-active policing has arrived. If the neighborhood doesn’t care about crime rates, neither will the police. The few officers that remain will drive around, answer some calls, eat donuts and like Jake says in the classic move Chinatown, the police will engage citizens “as little as possible”.
Making matters worse, the police began taking applications for another exam. But they’re having major trouble recruiting. Interest is down 90% or more, which means there will be fewer cops in the future, and more bad ones too. I heard there are fewer applicants for this next exam than ever before in history, with interest usually in the 40,000 range, now at about 2,000 or less even applying for the exam. Which quite frankly, who would want to be a cop? Every shift has the potential to turn into a nightmare that puts you in prison for the rest of your life. And the DAs don’t even care. The community doesn’t care either. The 21 year old who gave Adam Toledo the gun was let go on 40,000 bail as a local community organization bailed him out. He or Adam shot 8 bullets into a vehicle in a residential area, and he’s out on the streets again, doing the same thing. Think about that for a second.
There’s a lot of pain ahead for Chicago, it’s going to be 1970’s redux all over again. Some of course will celebrate this new future, but most of Chicago doesn’t want to live in this new world.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/04/19/ruben-roman-adam-toledo-chicago-community-bond-fund/
“Ruben Roman, the man who was with 13-year-old Adam Toledo the night the boy was shot and killed by police and is accused of firing the shots that brought police to the scene in the first place, has posted bond and has been released from custody.
During a hearing in his case on gun charges on Monday, a Cook County judge said Roman posted his $15,000 bail with the help of the nonprofit Chicago Community Bond Fund. Roman also posted $25,000 bail in an earlier but separate gun case.”
Roman faces felonies including child endangerment and reckless discharge in connection with his actions that night, and a probation violation.
On Monday night, he was out on bond – at home on electronic monitoring.
“We often prioritize cases that are connected to social justice movements – especially the movement to end police violence,” said Keisa Reynolds, who currently leads the Chicago Community Bond Fund.
* * * * *
The bond fund pays bonds for those who can’t afford to pay on their own. They bonded Roman out of jail – putting up $40,000.
“We made the decision to post bond for Mr. Roman because we are aware that the city will continue to use him as a scapegoat for the killing of Adam Toledo, which was committed by the Chicago Police Department,” Reynolds said.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/04/19/ruben-roman-posts-bond-gun-charges-adam-toledo-police-shooting/
“Roman has a prior felony record for aggravated unlawful use of a weapon and at the time of the shooting was on probation out of Skokie. He failed to appear in court in Skokie earlier this month, prompting a warrant that led to his arrest at his mother’s house earlier this month, prosecutors said.”
* * * * ** *
Meanwhile, Roman was placed into custody and questioned about the incident and prosecutors said he gave a fake name for Adam – something that police Supt. David Brown previously blamed for holding up the investigation. Roman also claimed he did shoot and did not know anything about what happened because he was just in the alley waiting for a train, prosecutors said.
He never explained about what train would have stopped in the alley, which does not have any train tracks in it, prosecutors said.
Roman was interviewed again a short time later and this time denied knowing whom he was with at the time of the incident. He was initially charged with misdemeanor resisting and given a $1,500 I-bond.
The investigation continued, and police ran the prints of the name Roman initially gave for Adam – figuring out it was fake, prosecutors said.”
How exactly is it good for Chicago’s future, and real estate prices, when the ‘community’ bails out a sociopath predator who moments prior committed attempted murder? The guy was on probation for skipping a court date from a previous gun case.
And the ‘community’ bond fund, using small dollar donations, pitches in money to put this guy back on the streets. This is your new Chicago. what reasonable person wants to live in a community where sociopath gangbangers are purposely put back into the community?
Chicago, my old friend, you’re doing this to yourself.
When you’ve lost Lori Lightfoot, our most progressive mayor ever, you konw you’ve lost the city:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2021/4/19/22392509/7-year-old-girl-killed-mcdonalds-homan-square-shooting-jaslyn-jontae-adams-lightfoot-brown
Lightfoot also took aim at the widening practice in recent years of Cook County judges setting relatively low bails for people charged with felonies like gun crimes and having them await trial at home on electronic monitoring.
“We just charged somebody yesterday. Two brothers who murdered a person — 11 bullets into them, in front of witnesses,” Lightfoot said. “And at least one of them was out on another gun charge, on electronic monitoring. This isn’t working. We need to have trials and we need to put dangerous people behind bars so that the community is actually safe.”
Cook County’s 2017 bail reform required judges to set affordable bail for defendants they deemed could be released while awaiting trial without endangering the public. In 2019, Chief Cook County Judge Timothy Evans wrote an opinion piece in the Chicago Sun-Times in which he said, “99.8% of felony defendants released on bail don’t receive charges of new gun-related violent crime while their cases are pending.”
Evans’ office and Loyola University have released studies finding no significant rise in violence because of the reform, but critics say that’s hard to prove, since most Chicago shooters don’t get caught. This year, at least six people out on bail on gun charges in Cook County have been arrested on new charges for shootings — four fatal. At least five other felony defendants on bail also have been arrested for shootings, including a man on bail for a carjacking.”
HD,
this city will be fine without you. just like it was fine before you. the city has repeatedly did the exact same thing with criminal justice for decades and was/is fine still.
yes, what you stated about our criminal systems is correct and needs to be fixed. yes, different times are causing extreme reactions. yes, it does *look bad. yes, lightfoot sucks as a mayor, and seems to continually suck, plus seems to be no different than previous mayors, also looks to be not progressing any of her mayoral ideas she had.
In the end the city will be fine, the doom and gloom you are trying to picture is not there. yes other legislations our idiots in power will give us some open oozing wounds but agin the city will be fine.
btw the same gloomy stuff you usually post is in premise the same gloomy stuff our grandparents were saying decades ago Yet the city is better than it was decades ago. funny how that works.
Great comment, groove. It always puzzles me why someone who so obviously despises Chicago wants to hang out here on a Chicago real estate site. I assume the person has other issues and this is a way that they can blow off steam at people they don’t know.
I’m going to try and stay positive about Chicago. It’s my hometown and the only place I’ve ever lived. I want it to do well.
Groove77 whistling past the graveyard. The NW side where you live will likely be just fine…but what about the rest of the city?
https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/chicago-illinois
Chicago, Illinois Population History 1840 – 2019
2019 2,693,976
1950 3,620,962
1920 2,701,705
Houston:
2019 2,320,268
2009 2,257,926
2000 1,977,811
1960 938,219
Phoenix:
2019 1,680,992
2000 1,326,997
1960 439,170
New York:
2019 8,336,817
2009 8,391,881
2000 8,015,348
1960 7,781,984
1920 5,620,048
“plus seems to be no different than previous mayors,”
Key difference would be no blatant corruption so far unlike Daley or carrying water for the police and clear ethical concerns unlike Daley and Rahm.
Outside of these she has been pretty inept with no influence especially in Springfield. No policy wins for the city. No progress on what she campaigned on and in key instances doing the opposite of what she said she supported.
Today candidate Lightfoot would beat Mayor Lightfoot in a race.
Agree with your comment overall. Chicago will be fine but continues to face key challenges this decade that are unique to Chicago than other major US and Global cities which puts a lower ceiling on its competitiveness and growth ability but still has alot going for it.
“I’m going to try and stay positive about Chicago. It’s my hometown and the only place I’ve ever lived. I want it to do well.”
Wish in one hand, shit in the other…
IMO there are 2 options for Chicago
Keep on keeping on. – more crime (Car jackings, robberies, etc) and increasing frequency in the green zone
Broken Window policing – not going to be pretty and currently no will to enact
At some point in the not so distant future, the juice isnt going to be worth the squeeze
“Groove77 whistling past the graveyard. The NW side where you live will likely be just fine…but what about the rest of the city?”
It will be fine too, like history has showed us, some areas will get worse some will get better, but the overall as a whole it will be fine. example, look at my families generation, mom grew up in Logan square when it was a great middle class hood, when I was a kid and teen Logan was a shyte hole, now my son as a kid becoming a teen Logan square is a vibrant area where the ‘popular cool people’ can’t afford anymore.
“Key difference would be no blatant corruption so far..”
WP, I am okay with upfront transparent corruption as long as things are getting done. Nothing is getting done, I miss the days when Chicago ran the state. Also I welcome blatant coruption, as it is not hard to find and we are not blindsided shocked later down the line. Kind of like people in todays times, I love how open and free with thier opinions, it used to be tiring to try and figure out the closet biggots. Now they just blurt out ignorant stuff within seconds of just meeting them, very refreshing and no effort for me yeah.
Chicago will dip as things are trending badly, but its a dip is not…dare I say it….Detroit… yep I said it. yes I used the doom groomers go to tag line, Detroit.
Chicago will be fine. It will look different. but on its time line it looks different than the 70’s and the 50’s too.
I support “broken window” policing at this point. These are desperate times. I bet most people living in gang-ravaged neighborhoods would support it, too.
“I miss the days when Chicago ran the state”
It still does. Look at what’s been passed in Springfield over the last year and the issues that are currently being discussed:
– Criminal Justice Reform including getting rid of bail (Cook County passed a few years back)
– CTU restored bargaining rights
– CFD and likely CPD pension increases to 3% instead of
– Elected School Board for CPS
– Rent Control
– Legalizing Weed and Gambling
– Healthcare for undocumented seniors
– Tax Credits for low income housing developers
– Eviction Moratorium
– Remove SALT Tax Caps (JB, Durbin, Duckworth, among congressional representatives sent a letter to Biden last week)
– Enhanced ARO
– Clean Energy: Watch CEJA and other energy legislation currently being pushed this year
– ComEd scandal. The executives testified at City Hall not Evanston or Naperville.
I’m sure there are plenty that I left out.
Although most are not pushed through city hall they are advocated for or passed by Chicago politicians or groups whether it’s local alders, state reps and senators sponsoring the majority of these bills who are from Chicago, or the various community or grass roots organizations around the city.
Whether or not you agree with the legislation that I mentioned above that has either passed or is currently being heavily debated with a high likelihood of passage in the near future all of this legislation is crafted based on the wants and needs of Chicago with a slight suburban influence.
The suburban influence is seen via the amended lift the ban bill introduced yesterday which requires a binding resolution allowing voters to decide whether or not to lift the ban in each municipality.
The Fair Tax debacle was Cook County dictating to the State. The only county in the entire State were it got more than 55% approval and one of only 3 I believe where it passed.
The branch of government on the 5th Floor in Chicago has little to no influence but there is alot more to Chicago than the 5th Floor at City Hall
“I support “broken window” policing at this point. These are desperate times. I bet most people living in gang-ravaged neighborhoods would support it, too.”
Aint gonna happen
See the responses to the PO shooting a girl trying to stab 2 girls in Columbus.
“– Criminal Justice Reform including getting rid of bail (Cook County passed a few years back)”
I thought that was a Dart push?
“– CTU restored bargaining rights”
– CFD and likely CPD pension increases to 3% instead of
– Elected School Board for CPS”
those three are union pushes not mayor office.
“– Rent Control”
Not a city push or mayors office push, it more for other towns in Illinois (but the city will use it for the wrong reasons)
the rest, yeah Chicago is still a player. But I think what is missing in those is stuff benefiting all chicagoans not just for political points for next race or machine corruption. I guess I miss the mob type of criminality, ya know yeah criminals but they keep the hood top notch. just seems to be criminals just helping themselves now.
“The branch of government on the 5th Floor in Chicago has little to no influence but there is alot more to Chicago than the 5th Floor at City Hall”
this right here is the best statement you have ever typed on CC. hats off to you!
“I bet most people living in gang-ravaged neighborhoods would support it, too.”
Did you know that even with cannabis legalization, smoking in any public place is illegal? So, “broken windows” policing would involve issuing citations to anyone using cannabis on the sidewalk–who do you think supports that?
If you say “well, not *that*”, then you don’t actually support “broken window” policing–which is premised on ‘no crime is too small’ to enforce against.
““– CTU restored bargaining rights”
– CFD and likely CPD pension increases to 3% instead of
– Elected School Board for CPS”
those three are union pushes not mayor office.”
Yeah, that’s all 100,000% the opposite of “Chicago running the state”
“celebrating the verdict of Derek Chauvin, and the life sentence he will receive,”
He might not serve a life sentence. In fact I could see a scenario where he is granted a second trial and is freed on bond pending the outcome of that trial similar to Manson girl Leslie Van Houten.
I don’t see him winning that second trial, maybe getting some of the convictions thrown out.
We absolutely are entering and era similar to the 1970s: an era of moral delusion where we pretend those creating the problems in society are somehow oppressed and everything is relative. Just wait until they build that casino in downtown for a re-emerge of a vice district.
Everyone in the 1970s knew society was going to shit too but they were too chicken shit to speak up. Hopefully the left won’t be able to control their false narrative to a degree that they were to back then to quell dissent from these disastrous policies.
“See the responses to the PO shooting a girl trying to stab 2 girls in Columbus.”
WTH does that have to do with broken windows policing?
I think everyone (including hardened criminals) agrees that swinging a knife at people is not ok, and police response is expected. And also that cops shooting teens for tagging bridges or slashing tires is also not ok.
And, of course, the implication that the cop should have asked the uncooperative perp for evidence of her age before taking next steps is absurd. But I do wonder why he didn’t tase her, bro? And why *4* shots?
“I could see a scenario where he is granted a second trial”
On what basis? Did Chauvin’s lawyer die, and it wasn’t reported?
“Van Houten was granted a retrial in 1977 due to the failure to declare a mistrial when her lawyer died.”
Throwing out hot takes like that is BS.
“WTH does that have to do with broken windows policing?”
That the political will is not there to do it
https://twitter.com/ValerieJarrett/status/1384888056621174786
While insane, its one of the tamer responses
“And, of course, the implication that the cop should have asked the uncooperative perp for evidence of her age before taking next steps is absurd. But I do wonder why he didn’t tase her, bro? And why *4* shots?”
“Lethal Force — Officers use lethal weapons to gain control of a situation. Should only be used if a suspect poses a serious threat to the officer or another individual.
Officers use deadly weapons such as firearms to stop an individual’s actions.” – From the DOJ
Would you have found it acceptable if he fired 3 shots?
“those three are union pushes not mayor office”
The #1 constituency group in the City of Chicago and Cook County who every mayor, alder, state rep, state senator, cook county representative, etc. that represents the city needs support from in order to have one iota of a chance at getting into elected office is not somehow representative of Chicago?
“But I think what is missing in those is stuff benefiting all Chicagoans not just for political points for next race or machine corruption.”
I don’t understand what is meant by “all Chicagoans”. The Chicago Federation of Labor represents 500,000 members or 43% of total ballots cast and 32% of total registered voters in the City of Chicago during the 2020 election. Those members have family members, spouses, adult children, neighbors, etc. that also vote and may not be in a union but are obviously support them in this City.
“I guess I miss the mob type of criminality, ya know yeah criminals but they keep the hood top notch.”
I would research and understand demographic changes since the turn of the century in Chicago. Italian and Irish white guys are out. Their mob type ways actively worked to disenfranchise ~60% of today’s population.
Only need 50% + 1 to win.
“Not a city push or mayors office push, it more for other towns in Illinois (but the city will use it for the wrong reasons)”
Tony Preckwinkle ran on lifting the ban in the mayoral election. Pritzker ran on supporting lift the ban in the 2018 gubernatorial primaries. The CTU supports it. Multiple neighborhood groups support. Multiple city council members support it. The Chief Sponsors of the Lift the Ban legislation in Springfield represent Chicago districts. There’s been non-binding referendums in multiple wards throughout the city since 2016 which have passed with overwhelming majorities of 75%+ for.
Lift the Ban is solely for the City of Chicago, Cook County, and likely an Evanston.
“I thought that was a Dart push?”
Dart/Foxx/Tim Evans/Preckwinkle/CTU/City Council Members, among plenty of others. Foxx’s inaugural campaign was all about criminal justice reform. She defeated the incumbent in the primary with over 50% and got over 70%+ in the general with 80%+ from the City.
https://www.cookcountystatesattorney.org/news/state-s-attorney-foxx-announces-major-bond-reform
“Lethal Force — Officers use lethal weapons to gain control of a situation. Should only be used if a suspect poses a serious threat to the officer or another individual.
———————————–
Left out of your quote is the context — use lethal force to gain control of the situation if it is the ONLY means to gain control before harm occurs. Tase the f**khead and she stops just as fast as if shot, with less risk to by standers to boot.
Sorry, but the officer not only used poor judgment, but he wasted ammunition. Tasers were bought precisely because they gave officers options. He didn’t select the best option.
“Left out of your quote is the context — use lethal force to gain control of the situation if it is the ONLY means to gain control before harm occurs. Tase the f**khead and she stops just as fast as if shot, with less risk to by standers to boot.”
You dont know wtf you’re talking about and making things up – basically pulling a Sabrina. There is no guideline for it to be the ONLY means.
“Less-Lethal Methods — Officers use less-lethal technologies to gain control of a situation.
Blunt impact. Officers may use a baton or projectile to immobilize a combative person.
Chemical. Officers may use chemical sprays or projectiles embedded with chemicals to restrain an individual (e.g., pepper spray).
Conducted Energy Devices (CEDs). Officers may use CEDs to immobilize an individual. CEDs discharge a high-voltage, low-amperage jolt of electricity at a distance.”
That was not this situation. The girl that got shot was intending to cause deadly harm not be combative to the officer
To avoid embarrassing yourself further heres the link – https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/use-force-continuum
“Sorry.”
Should have stopped there
“I could see a scenario where he is granted a second trial”
On what basis? Did Chauvin’s lawyer die, and it wasn’t reported?”
The jury was not sequestered and the judge trusted that the jury would abstain from all media consumption which in this case would be all but impossible. Additionally even the judge himself admonished politicians for speaking about the verdict indicating further violence would result if they did not get the verdict they wanted.
The jury also returned remarkably quickly in rendering their verdict casting doubt on the seriousness they took deliberations regarding the legal proceedings which could also strengthen the case for a re-trial.
Sounds like multiple grounds for a re-trial to me.
You analogized to a case where the defense lawyer fucking *died* during trial.
“the judge trusted that the jury would abstain from all media consumption which in this case would be all but impossible”
I wasn’t asked to abstain, and I only saw a minute here or there, and read *nothing*. Would have been super easy for me to avoid it.
“Sounds like multiple grounds for a re-trial to me.”
Cite, please? Which one(s) of those are sufficient under MN (or US Constitutional) law? YOUR impression of what is grounds is worth shit.
“Additionally even the judge himself admonished politicians for speaking about the verdict indicating further violence would result if they did not get the verdict they wanted.”
So, you are basically arguing that literally every Mexican who had a jury trial in the last 5+ years has grounds for a re-trial based on what some dumb ass politician said.
“Would you have found it acceptable if he fired 3 shots?”
Why would he even need 3? He didn’t think he was being shot at, so that’s not the reason.
Did he miss–at that range–with the first 3?
So, panic, right?
“Yeah, that’s all 100,000% the opposite of “Chicago running the state”
okay fine I will grant you the unions, but I stand by the rest of it!
There’s no one-size-fits all, simple answer when it comes to policing, crime rates, and the factors driving high or low crime rates. Anyone who tries to say that there is should not be taken seriously.
Police officers saved my bacon more than once when I was younger (typically from a bad situation I or my friends had gotten us into). I moved to NYC (corner of 7th and Avenue A) in 99, and saw the benefits of broken window policing (not that it was the only thing that brought about the positive changes, nor was it without its downsides). A police officer was killed trying to save people in my neighborhood grocery store a month ago during a mass shooting. For those and other reasons, I tend to hold the police in high regard.
Police have to deal with a lot of disrespect and danger in high crime areas. But the extreme and disproportionate rate at which innocent people of color are brutalized or killed by police in this country is undeniable. And in any event, police aren’t supposed to be brutalizing or killing (presumably) guilty people either. The big verdict yesterday? Only happened because a kid filmed the incident.
Again, there’s no simple solution. But it’s mostly going to come down to money. Broken window policing means more resources expended (and, until things improve, more people sitting in jails short term, and not at their cost). There should be higher standards for entry to the police force and better ongoing training, and we should do away with qualified immunity, but that means that starting pay needs to increase significantly (and rather than cities pursuing backwards rent control initiatives, prioritize affordable housing initiatives that would enable officers to own a home where they work). Maybe a very large portion of cannabis sales taxes should be allocated to these sorts of efforts?
You guys/gals can armchair quarterback a high stress high risk situation all you want. look at it frame by frame and have the option of all the time you want to come to a conclusion of what was the right thing to do or what the person should have did instead or leaving Kyle orton as the starter.
No matter what training, what polices, what whatevers, in the end it’s an extremely tense and unsafe situation that will always have a CHANCE of an unfortunate outcome. If any of you truly have a better idea or tactic, get the eff of this site and get in the ears of someone who can put your idea in place.
Since most ideas typed here about this are pretty lame, instead of spoutting out what if’s use that time to be extra nice to your neighbors who we hope would in turn pay it forward who then those would pay it forward too, and buy the end of the year we all be in a better existence.
hugs all around (sorry masked hugs and lysol sprayed)
“So, you are basically arguing that literally every Mexican who had a jury trial in the last 5+ years has grounds for a re-trial based on what some dumb ass politician said.”
Some dumb ass politician said? This was the trial judge openly admonishing Maxine Waters for threatening violence. Have we seen this in any of the trials you used as counter-examples?
The Chauvin saga isn’t over even if the media mob wants it to be.
“Why would he even need 3? He didn’t think he was being shot at, so that’s not the reason.”
The situation dictated the use of deadly force (Great harm to another). I’m not really sure what your point is , I dont think you’re pulling out the shoot to wound canard, but I dont see your point
“So, panic, right?”
Maybe, but likely not the correct answer. Would guess that the 4 shots we’re more out of muscle memory from training.
The 4 shots were fired in how long of a time frame – under 1 or 2 seconds? What should be the expectation be?
Continually run OODA loops, firing one shot at a time?
Discharge until threat is eliminated?
Something else?
“But the extreme and disproportionate rate at which innocent people of color are brutalized or killed by police in this country is undeniable. ”
I deny it. When it comes to interactions with police I strongly suspect there is no disproportionate rate.
Please provide some data to support your position as this isn’t TeeVee or your blog where you can just make a blanket statement and put it forth as fact. I disagree with your blanket statement wholeheartedly and believe it to be based on emotional narratives and anecdotes.
Annoy – Agree with most of your post
“But the extreme and disproportionate rate at which innocent people of color are brutalized or killed by police in this country is undeniable.”
What are you comparing this to? I dont think Total population is the correct measure. For example, There are more police assets assigned to minority neighborhoods. More interactions = more opportunities for things to go south.
“prioritize affordable housing initiatives that would enable officers to own a home where they work”
Chicago has/had this. Program was gamed – officers bought a house but rented it out
If anyone is curious on the amendment to the “lift the ban” legislation that occurred in Springfield this week. This is going to pass as amended each municipality would need their voters to pass a binding referendum to lift i.e. Chicago voters would have their own binding resolution to lift the ban come the mayoral elections in 2023 I would assume.
This version received more support than the last. Made it out of committee 14 – 8 (party-line) today compared to 13 – 9 last month and they added co-sponsors not on the committee.
This is passing sometime this year.
https://capitolnewsillinois.com/NEWS/bill-change-would-allow-voters-to-lift-rent-control-bans-locally
“the 4 shots we’re more out of muscle memory from training”
Ok, so it was bad training.
Fair enough!
“ Ok, so it was bad training.
Fair enough!”
According to whom? Source?
You never answered how many shots should have been fired. You seem to be implying that 1 shot was sufficient, please cite your basis
“Tasers were bought precisely because they gave officers options. He didn’t select the best option.”
The best option was to let a 16 year old girl stab other 16 year old girls? Hot take.
You realize the following:
Tasers are on their non-dominant hand right? Does it look like the girl at the other end of the knife had another second to spare while the officer grabbed a taser?
If you think he did then ask the next question:
Officers need to warn and yell “taser taser taser” before deploying. Does it look like the girl on the other side of the knife had 3 – 5 seconds to spare for the officer to go across his body grab a taser, bring it up back across his body provide commands that he was deploying said taser and then deployed said taser.
I just hope you realize you are siding with the girl swinging a knife at a random girl who was completely defenseless with no where to run as a car was right behind her.
You would rather see the girl that can’t protect herself stabbed and potentially die rather than the girl doing the stabbing be stopped via any means necessary to save the life of a defenseless girl.
This is what you are arguing. There are plenty of cases to question an officers judgement and question if excessive force was used. This ain’t the one. Yeah it’s awful a 16 year old kid died but without the action of that officer we would be talking about a different 16 year old dying and we would be questioning why the officer didn’t protect a defenseless kid.
“Ok, so it was bad training.”
Officers are generally trained to shoot the target until the target is subdued i.e. on the ground motionless.
How many shots were fired after she was on the ground?
Why do you think Jayson Van Dyke was arrested and convicted? He continued to shoot at a motionless target. The threat of someone holding a knife was long passed. That’s excessive force.
“According to whom?”
Your supposition:
“the 4 shots we’re more out of muscle memory from training”
If they are *trained* to fire 4 time any time they pull the trigger once, that’s bad training.
“Officers need to warn and yell “taser taser taser” before deploying.”
But they don’t need to yell “gun gun gun”?
Why?
“But they don’t need to yell “gun gun gun”?
Why?”
Officers use guns when a suspect has a deadly weapon i.e. a knife or gun and theirs or another persons life is in danger. People who are actively trying to kill other people do not get warnings. They made their choice.
Officers use tasers when a suspect is not endangering their life or the lives of others. Announcing it provides the suspect a final time to comply and is used to defuse a non-life threatening situation. Thus non-life threatening force.
C’mon this isn’t difficult. Don’t be obtuse. Also this is all public information stop being lazy. Plenty of research. Google is your friend.
Per the Columbus Division of Police Chapter 2 – Use of Force:
“Sworn personnel may use deadly force when the involved personnel have reason to believe the response is objectively reasonable to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious physical harm.”
“Sworn personnel may use deadly force upon a human being to prevent
escape when there is probable cause to believe that the subject poses
an immediate threat of serious physical harm to others.”
“F. Display of Taser
The pointing of the taser at an individual by sworn personnel in the performance of their duties in order to control another’s movements or actions.
G. Taser Functions
1. Sparking the taser for compliance; or
2. Using the taser for:
a. One full or partial five-second application cycle, or multiple cycles
of the taser, or
b. Drive-stun application(s).”
Further, do you know how ineffective tasers can be? According to NPR Columbus PD reported their tasers were effective 77% of the time.
So even if he had the extra 5 seconds to take out and deploy the weapon there’s a 23% chance it wouldn’t have stopped the attacker and an innocent girl is stabbed and dead. In a life or death situation I want better odds.
https://www.columbus.gov/police-divisiondirectives/
I’ve read every post above and I must say, it was a very civil, and intelligent and nuanced discussion and debate. However, underpinning this discussion is our reasonable assumption that policing is necessary, and our debates revolve around use of force and training.
Unfortunately, significantly vocal and powerful people don’t believe that policing is necessary at all. They believe that *all* policing is systemically racist and has been refined over centuries to oppress minorities. It must be abolished and defunded. They argue that crime itself is the result of the oppressive systems foisted upon persons of color or other marginalized group. Policing as the enforcement arm of capitalism to keep oppressed and marginalized group in their place. Some even argue that property crime is not even a crime in an unjust capitalist system.
I’m not making this stuff up or parroting Fox News. This is not hyperbole. All you have to do is listen to the speakers at the rallies, or read the tweets of powerful people on congress or blue check marks, or the blog posts or academic papers of the intellectuals who espouse this stuff. Just listen to what they say, they are very loud and in your face. THis is not fringe stuff. It’s very mainstream among a small, but growing, and apparently powerful minority of people.
This is true especially in Chicago. Kim Foxx had virtually 100% of the african american vote and most of the hispanic vote. Her criminal justice reform platform is little more than reducing or eliminating penalties for crimes in exchange for votes. as I posted above, the community bond fund bailed out a sociopath gangbanger, and let him back in the community, even though he had just attempted to murder rival gangbangers by unloading a full clip into a moving vehicle in a residential area after prowling the street with a 13 year at 2:30 a.m. It’s very, very loud and clear that most of the community of Chicago DOES NOT WANT police AT ALL in their neighborhoods, even if that means tolerating high levels of crime. My neighborhood would not tolerate this for even a second but Little Village is happy to have one of their own bailed out. It all comes down to the gangs, they are really in control, and the billions of dollars in drugs and other crime is what this is all about.
And, unfortunately, this is now Chicago. I love Chicago, I hate having to say bad things about it. But you can’t be blind to the massive, major, seismic shifts occurring in society, and especially so in Chicago. The left wing is all powerful, extremely ascendent, and they know it too. They have no counterbalance to their power. Your blind spot is not recognizing the massive realignment that is happen, and I assure you, most posters on this board will not be a beneficiary of these changes.
“ If they are *trained* to fire 4 time any time they pull the trigger once, that’s bad training.”
According to whom?
What is the correct number?
Are you implying that it only takes 1 shot to render an individual no longer a threat?
“ Officers need to warn and yell “taser taser taser” before deploying”
I don’t believe this is correct. I think she (assuming you’re talking the Brooklyn Park/Center case) was doing this to warn the other officers.
This really isn’t material to either case. The BP/C officer fucked up, period. Her training sucked and under stress grabbed the wrong weapon.
The Columbus case followed the continuum of force guidelines, full stop. You don’t like it fine, stomp your feet and cry into your pillow, but it really doesn’t matter until you get the rules changed.
“That was not this situation. The girl that got shot was intending to cause deadly harm not be combative to the officer”
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Read your own link. Says nothing about only using tasers when a person is combative to the officer but not when danger to others.
I’ve been a policeman, many years ago. The officer used poor judgment. He could have tased her — assuming he had a taser.
The only embarrassment is on you for citing a source that doesn’t back you up.
“The situation dictated the use of deadly force (Great harm to another).”
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Wrong. The situation permitted the use of deadly force. It’s a judgment call on whether to actually use it. If the officer had a taser, he was duty bound to use it first unless there was some operational reason (out of range, etc) for not using it but going straight to a firearm.
Poor judgment on the officer’s part unless he physically could not have used a taser.
And keep in mind his use of a pistol endangered HER victims too.
it doesn’t take 5 extra seconds to yell taser taser taser and shoot. Dominant or nondominant hand.
I’m right handed, and I’ve shot thousands of rounds from firearms (pistols and rifles) with my left hand both when I was in the military and in civilian life. Machine guns I only fired right handed.
And read your own Columbus guide. Note the word “may.” Once you have done that, cogitate on the difference between the words “may” and “shall.”
“Unfortunately, significantly vocal and powerful people don’t believe that policing is necessary at all. They believe that *all* policing is systemically racist and has been refined over centuries to oppress minorities. It must be abolished and defunded. ”
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For once you and I agree on something, helmet.
“I don’t believe this is correct. I think she (assuming you’re talking the Brooklyn Park/Center case) was doing this to warn the other officers.”
I was talking about Columbus and why a taser did not seem appropriate in that situation. The Brooklyn Center case is textbook manslaughter. She is guilty.
Similar situation happened in Oakland a few years back and the officer was found guilty.
Columbus officers typically need to yell “taser, taser, taser” before deploying. I’m sure there are jurisdictions that likely don’t.
“Cheatham said officers are also trained that, as much as practical, an officer should repeatedly yell “Taser” before deploying the device”
Cheatham is the defensive tactics Sergeant in Columbus at their police academy.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2021/04/13/columbus-area-police-protocols-guns-tasers-confusion/7203917002/
“I’m right handed, and I’ve shot thousands of rounds from firearms”
But not a taser. Ok. I thought we were avoiding guns?
“Note the word “may.” Once you have done that, cogitate on the difference between the words “may” and “shall.”
Again, you are fine with defenseless 16 year olds being stabbed and killed. Got it.
The neighbor/witness turned over his ring doorbell camera to the cops and said to the press the cops had no choice but to shoot.
“Brinson said he really thinks more people might have died had police not taken action.”
“I believe in truth and facts. Video doesn’t lie,” he said. “She was in full attack mode.”
Bryant “was literally aiming a knife at this young lady,” Graham said of the female in pink. “She needed to be stopped at that point. That young lady’s life was at stake.”
As the prosecutor in Minneapolis told the jury believe your eyes in his closing arguments. I don’t get why this is so hard for you.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/04/21/video-makhia-bryant-shooting-garage-camera-shows-argument/7321183002/
“It must be abolished and defunded.”
There is no survey data indicating Chicagoans support abolish or defund. This is from Wirepoints and Real Clear Politics from October 2020 so I assume you will trust since it is a right wing site.
“While Chicagoans share many concerns over the city’s policing practices, 79% want the police to spend the same amount of time or more in their neighborhoods.”
“The desire for more police holds true across the city’s North (76%), South (80%) and West Sides (85%), as well as across whites (79%), blacks (77%) and Hispanics (87%).”
“But when Chicagoans were asked directly if they support defunding the police, only 39% said they were in favor, while 51% were opposed. Opposition to defunding exceeded support in every region, with North Side residents expressing the most opposition (57% oppose / 36% support).
Along racial/ethnic lines, opposition exceeded support slightly among blacks (46% oppose / 45% support) and most strongly among Hispanics (55% oppose / 30% support).”
“The support for BLM has also failed to translate into political support for wholly disbanding the CPD. Only 26% of Chicagoans polled would be more likely to vote for city council members that support disbanding the police, while 37% would be less likely to vote for them. Even fewer South Siders (21%) would be more likely to vote for members supporting disbanding.”
“By race, whites and Hispanics were most opposed to politicians supporting disbanding the CPD, with 43% and 41% saying they would be less likely to vote for a council member that pushed disbanding, respectively. Black residents were at 27%.”
“The desire for additional policing was strongest on the South and West Sides, with more than half (57%) of residents in both areas wanting more police presence in their neighborhoods despite their concerns about current CPD practices. The number of Chicagoans polled who want police to spend less time amounted to less than 15% of those surveyed. On the West Side, only 9% of those polled wanted less police.”
It’s not difficult to understand cable news divides and treats people as stupid but Chicagoans that actually vote can distinguish that there is a need for quality police while simultaneously saying historically police have not treated certain groups of people in Chicago with the same fairness or respect as they do other groups of people.
Seems like voters in this City regardless of location and race are pretty rationale and smart.
https://wirepoints.org/new-poll-details-chicagoans-opinions-about-policing-race-and-mayor-lightfoots-performance-wirepoints-special-report/
“Wrong. The situation permitted the use of deadly force. It’s a judgment call on whether to actually use it. If the officer had a taser, he was duty bound to use it first unless there was some operational reason (out of range, etc) for not using it but going straight to a firearm.
Poor judgment on the officer’s part unless he physically could not have used a taser.”
Permitted is the correct word, you are correct
Please show me anywhere where a police officer is “duty bound to use it first unless there was some operational reason (out of range, etc) for not using it but going straight to a firearm.”
Thats not how the use of force continuum works, you dont need to go from A to B to C to D to F
“And keep in mind his use of a pistol endangered HER victims too.”
Only if he was a bad shot. Using that criteria, any shot from a firearm could endanger bystanders and shouldnt be used
“I’m right handed, and I’ve shot thousands of rounds from firearms (pistols and rifles) with my left hand both when I was in the military and in civilian life. Machine guns I only fired right handed.”
You shot a M240 1 handed?
Impressive
“You shot a M240 1 handed?”
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Marine Corps used M60s back in the day. Never touched an M240. Don’t even think I had heard of them.
“Thats not how the use of force continuum works, you dont need to go from A to B to C to D to F”
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Nobody said you had to go from A to B to C . . . That’s where judgment comes in. If the man had a taser and was in operational distance, that should have been his first choice.
As for bystander neighbors with no training, no experience, no nothing, passing judgment on use of force — not even a nice try. By that criteria you should just hand out guns to people and tell them to police themselves.
The officer was trained, and assuming he had the proper equipment and could use it, he was wrong to go to the firearm first.
WP you’re correct, surveys show that most Chicagoans don’t support defunding the police. But the loud and vocal minority that do is ascendant and they are running the show. And they keep voting for people who defund the police even if they themselves are against it.
The individual police officers hear this mandate loud and clear even if it’s only a minority of residents spreading the message. The practical result is fewer cops and less community interaction.
An author of the Second City Cop blog posted an article on Chicago Contrarian the other day. Very interesting read about what is happening now. Soon they won’t be allowed to do footchases, suicides are rampant, there are under 50 recruits in the academy right now, with hundreds of retirements already just in 2021. The police are being functionally defunded without actually defunding the police.
Also, defunding the police is a bad slogan, they no longer use that phrase. It’s now “reimagine policing” even Obama endorses that phrase instead of defund.
https://www.chicagocontrarian.com/blog/second-city-cop-addresses-chicago
“But the loud and vocal minority that do is ascendant and they are running the show.”
You realize when you are in the minority you have to get loud to be heard right? How else do you get to become the majority? They are not running the show. Only 6 of 50 city council members are part of the DSA. Need 25 + 1 to pass legislation and get anything done.
“And they keep voting for people who defund the police even if they themselves are against it.”
Lightfoot doesn’t support defunding the police. The hang-up on the budget was the proposed increased in property taxes. Show me the 26 council members that support defund the police. They don’t exist.
“Soon they won’t be allowed to do footchases”
They are reforming the footchase policy. Let’s see what’s proposed and agreed upon first before jumping to conclusions
“suicides are rampant”
Which is awful and suicides across the city are also rampant. More Black Cook County residents committed suicide in 2020 than any year on record. Lot of people went through a lot of stuff last year.
“The police are being functionally defunded without actually defunding the police.”
CPD has more police officers per capita than any city in the country including NYC, LA, Houston. Emanual hired an extra 1,000 officers over 2017 and 2018. Now that they are out of the academy and out of their probationary period they are taking over for the uptick in retirements. Sounds like city leaders planned well.
“It’s now “reimagine policing”
Maybe because he and the public doesn’t support “defund” but do acknowledge we are asking police to do way too much and so “reimagining” what roles and responsibilities society should place on cops might be good for cops, citizens, and all of society?
Any public or private service looks alot different today then it did 30, 40, 50+ years ago except for policing. Everything evolves or risks becoming obsolete. The last time policing evolved was maybe never? It’s remained a static force in society and now massive changes are happening all throughout society.
Instead of fighting every consent decree and electing a nut as FOP President maybe they wouldn’t be working off of expired contracts if they would acknowledge and present some actual changes to get with the times. Instead they continue with an adversarial approach with changes in city leadership, stubborn, and stuck in the past.
It’s very interesting how much Trumpists live in fear. Pre-Trump the only thing Republicans feared was God, taxes, occasionally large government debt when it was politically convenient. Today, It’s literally everything under the sun including their own shadow.
What a change.
” Pre-Trump the only thing Republicans feared was God, taxes, occasionally large government debt when it was politically convenient.”
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Black presidents. You missed fearing black presidents.
“CPD has more police officers per capita than any city in the country”
DC still has more, per capita, no? Special circumstance, for sure.
“Black presidents. You missed fearing black presidents.”
Today yes. During Obama’s campaign and Presidency the “fear” was religion/ethnicity more than race. See Jeremiah Wright, birther conspiracy, Shariah Law would somehow occur, and McCain’s 08 townhall question from the old lady. Pretty incredible she asked that question on live TV in that type of a setting.
Trump saw that, fed into it with the birther conspiracy as a trial run, and finally weaponized it and expanded it to more than just religion.
“Marine Corps used M60s back in the day.”
Given your views about Bucktown, I assumed you were talking about a Lewis or maybe a M1917.
“the “fear” was religion/ethnicity more than race. See Jeremiah Wright, birther conspiracy, Shariah Law”
It’s funny, of course, to cite Jeremiah Wright and Sharia in the same breath about “religious concerns” about the same person, but it’s not wrong.
I would assert that the Wright thing was pretext for “Black”, more than about anything else.
“This ain’t the one. Yeah it’s awful a 16 year old kid died”
I don’t think it’s so awful. I wasn’t trying to stab people in the face when I was 16 and certainly not if the police showed up. It takes a certain amount of impulsiveness, entitlement to think that is acceptable behavior and animalistic/beastial rage to engage in that sort of behavior.
Her whole life she was told her lot in life wasn’t her fault and that the rules didn’t apply to her. Now she won’t be able to crap out kids and have taxpayers subsidize them or engage in violent crime in the future. I am happy that her future crime victims will now no longer be victims of that animal.
You act like a wild animal you get put down like a wild animal. If these people are part of “humanity” then it’s either them or me that isn’t human and that is okay. Ce la vie.
“During Obama’s campaign and Presidency the “fear” was religion/ethnicity more than race. See Jeremiah Wright, birther conspiracy, Shariah Law would somehow occur, and McCain’s 08 townhall question from the old lady. Pretty incredible she asked that question on live TV in that type of a setting.”
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All of which was engendered by Obama’s skin color, and nothing else.
I remember someone on the Obama team saying that the hardest problem the birther conspiracy had in setting it all up — that Obama was born in Africa but they were going to pass him off as American born — was getting that birth announcing into the local newspaper in Hawaii back in the early 60s.
“Given your views about Bucktown, I assumed you were talking about a Lewis or maybe a M1917.”
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I’m talking about the machine guns I held in my hands as an infantryman in the late 1970s. My MOS was 0311 — infantryman. Machine gunners were 0331s. On deployments ships would not let live ammunition back onboard once departed, so we had to use up all live ammo at the end of live fire trainings and exercises. The grenadier riflemen loved firing off their HE and whistlers when I yelled FEBA! FEBA! FEBA!
In the spirit of cross training my companies’s (I was in two) weapons platoons would let the rest of use play with their toys. We loved it. I still remember the dull thud in the earth lying next to a mortar being launched.
More to the point, the only machine guns I touched were M60s and whatever minor variations there might be in play on that day.
My advice to all and sundry: I don’t care how hot it is: If you are humping a machine gun, wear a flak jacket. Your shoulder will thank you for it.
This one closed on 3/1 for 475K
This one has a couple “always wrong”:
“This [lifting of ban on rent control] is passing sometime this year.”
Still hasn’t passed.
“I am thinking more like $560k because of the rental parking.”
Ooof.