A Completely Rehabbed 3-Bedroom in the River North Gallery District: 215 W. Huron
This 3-bedroom at 215 W. Huron in the Gallery District neighborhood of River North just came on the market.
This building was constructed in 1888 and has 5 units, an elevator and garage parking.
We’ve chattered about several of these units in the past.
This is a full-floor unit with 15 windows and 3 exposures.
The listing says the unit was “completely rehabbed” in September 2016.
From the prior listing pictures on Redfin from the 2016 sale, it appears that the unit has a new kitchen, new baths, a wall was put up for the third bedroom and the doors and trim were painted white.
The kitchen now has gray cabinets, stainless steel Thermador commercial grade appliances, a white subway backsplash and stone counter tops with a breakfast bar.
There are oak floors throughout.
The master suite has a walk-in-closet and an en suite bathroom with a modern, wood double vanity and walk-in shower.
The listing says there was a new A/C in 2017, new furnace in 2017 and a new hot water heater in 2020.
It has central air and garage parking is included.
The Gallery District is surrounded by shops and restaurants and the Brown/Purple line El stop is just a block away.
The only thing this property doesn’t have is private outdoor space.
With the coronavirus shelter-in-place over the last 2 months having people yearning for the great outdoors, is this property at a disadvantage right now?
Melanie Broderick at Metro Realty has the listing. See the pictures here (no floor plan but there is one in the 2016 listing).
Unit #3: 3 bedrooms, 2 baths, 2500 square feet
- Sold in April 1997 for $363,000
- Sold in November 2000 for $530,000
- Sold in March 2003 for $550,000
- Sold in December 2012 for $665,000
- Sold in July 2016 for $802,500
- Currently listed at $990,000
- Assessments of $375 a month (I don’t know what it includes as it says “see remarks” in the public listing)
- Taxes of $15,173
- Central Air
- Washer/dryer in the unit
- Garage parking included
- Bedroom #1: 19×13
- Bedroom #2: 10×12
- Bedroom #3: 10×12
- Living/dining room: 28×23
- Kitchen: 17×10
- Foyer: 5×25
- Walk-in-closet: 7×10
Not sure what’s more depressing – Having your home office be in a closet or getting to look at a transformer out of said office
Firing their agent and staging the place is there only hope of getting anything near ask.
Aren’t these the Anchor Lofts?? Name is stuck in my head….
My bad! I confused it with 215 Illinois https://tour.vht.com/433851800/215-w-illinois-5c-chicago-il-60654/idx
The new kitchen and baths are done tastefully enough, but lack of outdoor space and uninspiring views of an alley and electrical wires are hard to get past. The unit seems spacious and pleasant, but I don’t see anyone paying nearly $1 mln.
apparently metro realty is a flat fee realtor… still those pictures are crap
This place has a lot of potential, the pictures are total shite, though.
I’m wondering if the home office in the closet is a recent, ‘rona-induced development, or if that’s something they’ve been living with for a while. Mr. Madeline does voiceover work and in one of the places we lived, the only good acoustics were in the master bedroom closet, so he actually worked in there some of the time.
Was curious about the top floor unit in this building – https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/215-W-Huron-St-60654/unit-5/home/12813484
If you scroll down to the 2014 listing, the pictures give a much better sense of the layout,etc. Also it has a kickass roofdeck.
Such a spectacularly bad listing.
1. I think they overpaid and I cannot imagine paying what they paid for this depressing space, putting decent money into it afterwards and then listing it in all its still-depressing-looking glory and hoping to make a huge profit.
2. This is at a major disadvantage in a pandemic and post-pandemic world. No private outdoor space, no separate living / working space. Apparently minimal natural light despite all the windows they rave about. No views but all the urban noise.
3. To sell this unit for anything close to ask they need to move out and stage it with much nicer stuff or put most of their crap in storage and rent some “I am selling you a life-style” type furniture. Even CORT has some decent looking stuff that could project a certain hip-ness versus the current “Help, I am trapped in here with my kids and between home-schooling and work I didn’t have time to make the place look presentable let alone make the bed or empty the laundry.”
4. I would say if they don’t try staging this, it won’t sell for anything over $650K. Not much further north of here in old town, recently constructed 3/3 condos with private outdoor space and garage parking are just sitting on the market. These people are up against way more desirable homes for the money and relatively close by to this so they need to make a better effort here.
5. The change in level in the living room to kitchen area has probably already resulted in a trip to the ER.
“in old town, recently constructed 3/3 condos with private outdoor space and garage parking are just sitting on the market”
?? Looked, did not see. I mean, there are the ones for $1.5+, which isn’t relevant to this, and then some Cabrini ones, which are the same.
You mean the couple-three duplex downs? I know many tout the DD, but I’ve never cared for them and the accompanying porch pit, which is a comparably bad view to an alley.
Granted – – the formerly “Little Hell” or as you say “Cabrini” part of old town, yes but look at what you get for being on the other side of North (granted you won’t want to send young kids to the default elementary unless they do and “Ogden” type merger and make it part of the LP district:
This is right on the train and the exterior gets vandalized by taggers on the regular but look at what you get for more than $200K LESS so pick your poison in a market characterized by stagnant pricing where you are definitely better off renting: https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1543-N-Hudson-Ave-60610/unit-1/home/12754942
This one might be a smidge smaller than the Subject but has a usable balcony and gets better light: https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1368-N-Mohawk-St-60610/unit-3S/home/12706780
Another duplex down with what looks like a fairly enjoyable “porch pit” here: https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1411-N-Mohawk-St-60610/unit-1/home/170957228
I’ve been in these “Bookbinder Row” condos. Construction quality isn’t the best but seriously, this price…what you can do with the $300K you save AND there is room for a proper desk: https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/1339-N-Mohawk-St-60610/unit-1N/home/12769797
Most of Cat’s listings are split block construction. I wonder when people will learn that there is a reason you cannot build with that material any more. I had to laugh at the one property link where the neighboring house has split block on the façade! Yikes.
Living in that Hudson Ave property on the tracks would be a nightmare with people pouring out feet from your condo…
Not saying I am a fan of Sabrina’s listing (at all).
@Jon – – yes the split block is a cheapo material that is the hallmark of greedy developers but if you reseal it regularly, it is fine….ugly but fine. Conversely, today’s chatter listing (5/7), blows all of them out of the water. I love it.
“these “Bookbinder Row” condos”
That’s a 2 bedroom, plus office/den/guest room. I mean, it has french doors into the *kitchen*! And having almost all your living space in the basement sucks.
1368 looks pretty nice–un-updated since construction, of course–but that’s no more a true 1800 than the featured property is 2500, and is only 2 baths.
1543 has no business being anything other than a rental. That’s an apartment looking to be blown up by Carrie Fisher.
1411 looks ok, but has SO MUCH glass block, which is cold as hell in the winter.
@anon (tfo) – – I have been in the duplex down units in two of these. They do not live at all like being in a basement – – in fact the kitchen opens out to a patio and just beyond that is a small shared backyard and the garages. They get tons of AM light in the master which faces east and tons of PM light in the living areas which face west. The 2/2 middle floor non-duplex units have the master in front (PM Light) and the kitchen / living in back getting the AM light – – so those are less than ideal. Also, with the 2/2 kitchen/living area right above the master for the duplex down, you have to make friends with your neighbors to ensure they aren’t being loud at night and waking you up…which is a design flaw. The units I have been in have the entrance to the third bed opening into the hall that leads to the kitchen and there is a bath right across the hall. Removing the french doors would be easy to do and it would be a proper third bed but would most likely still work best as an office or guest bed.
Sold in April 1997 for $363,000
Sold in November 2000 for $530,000
Sold in March 2003 for $550,000
Sold in December 2012 for $665,000
Sold in July 2016 for $802,500
Currently listed at $990,000
Well, you can’t argue with that. This is one of the few locations in all of Illinois that seen price appreciation like that. This area has improved greatly. It used to be on the wrong side of LaSalle (the lame part of RN), but now the difference between west of LaSalle isn’t as bad as it once was. Personally, I think the best location of any building in all of RN is 55 East Erie.
“Most of Cat’s listings are split block construction. I wonder when people will learn that there is a reason you cannot build with that material any more. I had to laugh at the one property link where the neighboring house has split block on the façade! Yikes.”
This is a tired incorrect trope
Rockface block is fine as a material “IF” the Architect details the wall system correctly (More than rope weeps and vents) and the contractor installs correctly.
“This area has improved greatly. It used to be on the wrong side of LaSalle (the lame part of RN), but now the difference between west of LaSalle isn’t as bad as it once was. ”
We’ll see if this appreciation lasts. The lack of bars, concerts, nightlife and crowds makes river north more of an expensive concrete jungle than a DINK’s paradise. My guess is that it does not especially if the state remains closed for an indefinite period of time. There’s a million unemployed people in the state right now and it’s not clear if any of these things will ever reopen, given that JB wants a vaccine, treatment or eradication of this virus, which quite frankly, may never happen. My advice is to go long on Long Grove, Barrington and Lake Forest, to the extent that the rich even stay in IL. I read today Citadel moved its trading floor to a hotel in Florida and its Chicago and NY offices are effectively abandoned, as the physical servers were all relocated. We need to have an honest discussion that this jobs aren’t coming back, ever. They’re gone.
“its Chicago and NY offices are effectively abandoned, as the physical servers were all relocated”
Connection is too slow from Florida. Fast enough for an emergency, but not for normal course HST. But maybe 5g will change that.
Apparently they dug trenches to the hotel to install fiber optic cable. I get that latency is everything but if everyone has left NYC and Chicago, maybe FL has the least latency for him.
HD
It depends on which servers you are talking about.
For HST the servers aren’t going to move. They are going to stay in the same location as the exchange. For regular stuff like your mail and hosting your files yeah those servers can be located anywhere so companies have long already started moving those to servers and people to third tier US cities.
I guess what I am saying is moving servers isn’t indicative of NYC and Chicago going down. It’s more of a change in the mix of the jobs available.
I just specifically meant those jobs at Citadel. Not that all thee Chicago jobs are gone, just specifically Ken and crew. I should have been more specific. Citadel sent employees home to work, moved the servers to Florida and they operate out of a hotel now. And he says they’re fully functional. So if they’re fully functional operating out of a hotel in Florida, why in the world do they need to be based in Chicago? I know they have that building there, so that’s one reason, but the overhead must be enormous. I’m just saying that I’d be surprised if Citadel’s jobs don’t permanently stay in Florida or work from home. Especially after the truly awful weather this spring. We’re looking at a record low, record late spring hard freeze tomorrow night, and possibly again next Tuesday.
CAT
man those some nasty Old Town listings which again shows that for 99 of neighborhoods there are turds
to your point though i just did a search on 3 bedroom places in OT and found housing stock that I would rather live in; specifically housing stock versus comparing living in RN vs OT
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Old-Town_Chicago_IL/beds-3-3/baths-2
“…I’d be surprised if Citadel’s jobs don’t permanently stay in Florida or work from home. Especially after the truly awful weather this spring. We’re looking at a record low, record late spring hard freeze tomorrow night, and possibly again next Tuesday.”
cc’s rez troll apparently believes FL’s weather is perfect year round. Citadel doesn’t likely aspire to recruit new employees to work in S FL imo. But hd should join many of the other dregs of the US & relo down to FL.
“Rockface block is fine as a material “IF” the Architect details the wall system correctly (More than rope weeps and vents) and the contractor installs correctly.”
IF IF IF
How about rockface block is initially cheaper therefore saving dollars for the developer and allows a lower entry point for the consumer. But the fact that every semi well run condo that I have seen has to set aside $$$ for sealing the split face block every 5 years means that 1) you are kicking the costs down the road and it’s recurring and 2) you increasing the number of times that something can be done wrong. and
https://www.inspectorsjournal.com/topic/13529-split-faced-block-discontinued-chicago/#comments
Do plan on taking a stay cation the weekend that contractors are re sealing your split face block – maybe take a dip at that gorgeous pool at the Intercon Mag mile because you aren’t going to want to be in your condo unit unless you like sniffing fumes
“So if they’re fully functional operating out of a hotel in Florida, why in the world do they need to be based in Chicago?”
This is just one trading unit. They have hundreds of employees.
Didn’t Ken grow up in Florida? I think so. And he has at least one home down there.
“Especially after the truly awful weather this spring. We’re looking at a record low, record late spring hard freeze tomorrow night, and possibly again next Tuesday.”
It hasn’t been that bad. Last year was truly awful. Record rain fall and cold. It rained nearly every day.
This cold blast sucks. But they’re going to actually get snow out of it further east so we can endure.
“My advice is to go long on Long Grove, Barrington and Lake Forest, to the extent that the rich even stay in IL”
If you are an office worker in Chicago, the last thing you will want to do during a pandemic is move to some far out suburb like Lake Forest and sit on that Metra train for over an hour twice a day.
I’ve heard that some of the West Loop employers are looking to rent out parking lots near the United Center so all their employees who normally take the train can drive instead (good times on the Kennedy are coming this summer, I see.)
Instead, why not just move to the West Loop and walk to work?
Oh- and the little jab about the rich “staying” in Illinois, um…I think the real estate prices speak for themselves.
“This is one of the few locations in all of Illinois that seen price appreciation like that.”
Um…once again a sign that HH hasn’t been in Chicago in a LONG time. Most of the original River North conversion lofts have price appreciation like this from the 1990s. River North prices have tripled over the last 20- 25 years. And the Gallery District has been gentrified for, what, 15 to 20 years now?
All the way to the river, which many people like more than the area near Michigan Avenue with all the tourists.
River North was the skid row of Chicago in like 1992. But that lines up with HH’s experiences with Chicago.
“How about rockface block is initially cheaper therefore saving dollars for the developer and allows a lower entry point for the consumer. But the fact that every semi well run condo that I have seen has to set aside $$$ for sealing the split face block every 5 years means that 1) you are kicking the costs down the road and it’s recurring and 2) you increasing the number of times that something can be done wrong. and”
Incorrectly designed rockface is initially cheaper.
Applying a moisture sealant winds up trapping water inside the wall cavity. You’re better off realizing that you’re going to get water infiltration and figuring out how you’re going to manage controlling where it goes – like windows
Honestly I haven’t know a single building and yes this is anecdotal ( my data set is over ten buildings) that doesn’t apply sealing every 5-7 years. Yes the sealing is part of a overall job which includes repairing flashing etc.
I don’t see the brick siding buildings needing an equivalent examination tuck pointing every 5-7 years
“Instead, why not just move to the West Loop and walk to work?”
because you miss out on the yard enclosed space for your kids to securely play in.
CAT
on the better side of OT and actually OTT
an aspirational property for me in OTT
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/229-W-Eugenie-St_Chicago_IL_60614_M78735-56620
although I choke on thinking about how the property taxes will continue to increase on this double lot home
HD
hey good discussion and it relates to RE
“I just specifically meant those jobs at Citadel. Not that all thee Chicago jobs are gone, just specifically Ken and crew.”
because of specific financial industry talent and everything that supports it is going to stay in big cities.
example: brexit. London is going to stay as a top tier finance city because not only does the talent want to be there, but the supporting accountants and lawyers not to mention clients are all physically there which facilitates business.
the same happens to Chicago though in a different fashion – more commodities less equities.
wells fargo bank of america jpmorgan they all have big operations in florida but that doesn’t mean they aren’t going to continue to be in the tier one cities
https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/market-insight/features/future-nyc/sneak-peek-jpmorgan-chase039s-new-hq-270-park-work-continues-tallest-building-intentionally-demo039d/27922
HD
honest q and nothing I have researched specifically eg GTHOOI
is flight path noise specific to very certain corridors or is it pretty much anywhere NW side
and
have you noticed it being quieter given I am guessing flight numbers are waaaay down
“I don’t see the brick siding buildings needing an equivalent examination tuck pointing every 5-7 years“
For the most part, The wall systems are completely different.
Not arguing that the majority of rockface installs are shit, but it’s due to the design Vs the material
Yes, less flights make it a lot quieter! The entire NW side seems quieter, although anecdotally there is some more cargo traffic taking off here and there but the big flights coming and going are practically non-existent.
As for Citadel, who knows. Chicago seems like an unfriendly place lately for him and his company. His exwife doesn’t even live here any more and he’s trading from a hotel room in Florida. We’ll see I guess. I can’t imagine they’re champing at the bit to return here.
“[Ken] has at least one home [in Florida]”
Like a $350m compound, yeah:
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20190906/exclusive-ken-griffin-squares-off-massive-palm-beach-estate-with-99m-house-buy-sources-say
“The off-market deal adds 3.7 acres — and about 320 feet of beachfront — to the 17 acres of ocean-to-lake property Griffin already owned. In all, Griffin now has nearly a quarter-mile of beach frontage, or about 1,188 feet.”
All “steps” from Mar-a-Lago.
“an aspirational property for me in OTT”
from the link:
“This property was last sold for $3,850,000 in 2009 and currently has an estimated value of $2,587,000.”
2 more decades, and it will be basically free!
“If you are an office worker in Chicago, the last thing you will want to do during a pandemic is move to some far out suburb like Lake Forest and sit on that Metra train for over an hour twice a day.
I’ve heard that some of the West Loop employers are looking to rent out parking lots near the United Center so all their employees who normally take the train can drive instead (good times on the Kennedy are coming this summer, I see.)”
That certainly makes sense, however, it’s way too soon to predict how many people will be returning to office work vs remote work. Some companies, like JPMorgan, have already stated that they will be increasing the amount of work done from home. Here in Chicago, Careerbuilder and Groupon have already begun the process of reducing downtown office space. Although not official, the news in the Chicago commercial real estate space is that Google has walked away from their planned West Loop expansion. It may be likely that this virus panic blows over in the next few years – restaurants, bars, concert venues and theaters all re-open and workers return to downtown. It’s also possible that companies put more emphasis on remote work, downtown social venues are more slow to open than is hoped and people move to more affordable, less dense parts of the country and work for major corporations from those locations. Like I said, it’s just way too early to know what the outcome will be.
““This property was last sold for $3,850,000 in 2009 and currently has an estimated value of $2,587,000.”
2 more decades, and it will be basically free!”
You know what?
That’s a HAWT market(tm)
“It’s also possible that companies put more emphasis on remote work, downtown social venues are more slow to open than is hoped and people move to more affordable, less dense parts of the country and work for major corporations from those locations. Like I said, it’s just way too early to know what the outcome will be.”
Yes, too early to know.
The vast majority of people don’t want to work from home. Also, one thing that is forgotten when people talk about everyone just moving to whatever their dream small town is, and still working for Google, is, what happens if they’re laid off? Are you going to be able to find a job that’s equivalent and that won’t impair your career from that new town you’re living in?
All people need to do is look at the job listings in Chicago versus Detroit or Tampa. In some areas, it would be virtually impossible to find a job.
This is the problem that New Orleans has had over the last 10 years. Lots of Millennials moved there but the job market just isn’t there. And it’s unrealistic to think everyone will, or wants to, “work from home.” For example, New Orleans just doesn’t have the social media jobs as other cities. If you get one, great. But what if you are laid off or want to move somewhere with more challenge and a higher salary? You basically have to move to Houston or Atlanta to do so.
I think it will be more efficient for the US economy to move some of the knowledge jobs to other parts of the United States with cheaper housing and better standards of living. That’s why Amazon is building in Nashville and Apple in Austin. They’ve figured it out. Whether they “get rid of” those offices altogether, remains to be seen.
Too soon to tell, as TomC said.
Oh- and the reason Groupon and CareerBuilder are reducing office space had nothing to do with COVID-19. They laid off thousands ahead of the virus. They were already contracting.
The bigger indicator will be if Salesforce tries to get out of its massive lease at the new Salesforce Tower, which isn’t expected to open for 3 or 4 years.
“because you miss out on the yard enclosed space for your kids to securely play in.”
Older executives are already empty nesters. There’s nothing keeping them in the suburbs now in their 40s and 50s.
“Older executives are already empty nesters. There’s nothing keeping them in the suburbs now in their 40s and 50s.”
How many people < 50yo w/kids do you know that are empty nesters?
Who’s going to buy their suburban McMansion? No one wants to live in the burbs, right?
“How many people < 50yo w/kids do you know that are empty nesters?" Several. But not all. They had their kids right out of college though.
“Who’s going to buy their suburban McMansion? No one wants to live in the burbs, right?”
That was the question when McDonald’s first decided to move. Everyone assumed Hinsdale and Oak Brook would be crushed. They’ve been slow the last few years, but not crushed.
But is it hard to sell right now?
Inventory is low. And everyone will be, supposedly, racing to move to the suburbs now. You’d be bucking the trend by moving into the city.
“That was the question when McDonald’s first decided to move. Everyone assumed Hinsdale and Oak Brook would be crushed. They’ve been slow the last few years, but not crushed.
But is it hard to sell right now?
Inventory is low. And everyone will be, supposedly, racing to move to the suburbs now. You’d be bucking the trend by moving into the city.“
What?
So we went from no reason to stay in the ‘burbs to everyone racing back to the ‘burbs?
Does this mark the end of the HAWT Market Theory ™
“Older executives are already empty nesters. There’s nothing keeping them in the suburbs now in their 40s and 50s.”
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Wrong. They’re thinking grandchildren. Grandchildren playing in the back yard. Grandchildren walking around the block without gang signs being thrown at them. Grandchildren going to good schools.
“They’re thinking grandchildren.”
Grandchildren?
Millennials are getting married at age 30. GenZ will likely do the same. They’re having kids in their early to mid-30s. If they even have them at all.
That’s 10 to 15 years away for the 45-50 year old McDonald’s executive.
And their kids will all live in the city. Sending their kids to city schools.
I wish all the older people would at least recognize that things have changed. The “good schools” are no longer only in the suburbs. That old 1970s-90s issue of “city schools” is over. There’s a reason people with kids are buying that $1.5 million Lakeview home and not the $1.5 million Oak Park home.
“So we went from no reason to stay in the ‘burbs to everyone racing back to the ‘burbs?”
The article that Gary linked to said everyone in NYC was racing to get out of the city. People on this blog have already argued that the city is over and everyone will want to live in the suburbs.
“The article that Gary linked to said everyone in NYC was racing to get out of the city. People on this blog have already argued that the city is over and everyone will want to live in the suburbs.”
Everyone in NYC? Interesting…
You’ve been arguing the opposite – Everyone is moving to the city. Yet we see little price appreciation in the majority of the properties. This is especially true with low inventory
“I wish all the older people would at least recognize that things have changed. The “good schools” are no longer only in the suburbs. That old 1970s-90s issue of “city schools” is over. There’s a reason people with kids are buying that $1.5 million Lakeview home and not the $1.5 million Oak Park home.”
No its not. If you can get your kid into one of the “Good” HS, then congrats city living is manageable. If not they’re going to Catholic school or you’re moving to the burbs. And if your HAWT Market Theory ™ is correct, its going to decrease the odds of getting into one of the good schools.
You are at best very confused
“That old 1970s-90s issue of “city schools” is over.”
Where are the parts of the city where I can be *guaranteed* to send my kid to a “good” (ie, about like OPRF, or better) HS? LPHS and … where else? When there is one HS, serving about 1.5% of the city’s kids (and many of them are selectively enrolled), that is not sufficient to call an issue “over”.
“There’s a reason people with kids are buying that $1.5 million Lakeview home and not the $1.5 million Oak Park home.”
Is it that taxes are still only about half as much? And you don’t have to live a short walk from Austin?
“When there is one HS, serving about 1.5% of the city’s kids (and many of them are selectively enrolled), that is not sufficient to call an issue “over”.”
One?
Nah.
There are dozens. Gosh, I have friends who have sent their kids to public high schools from, gasp, the south side. Yes, even the south side. And they got a full ride to college. And are now in graduate school.
Imagine it?
Shocking, I know.
Expand your mind.
This isn’t 1980 or 1990 or even 2000. Things have changed. The schools weren’t even a campaign issue for the first time in probably 50 years during the last mayoral campaign. I’m not saying all the schools are great. They aren’t all great in the suburbs either. But you no longer have to move out of the city to give your kids a good education.
It’s just not the reality anymore. Which is why the city home prices continue to rise and are holding up better than the suburbs.
People still want to live in the city. They want the urban environment. I can’t believe we’re even still debating this year after year. Damn. All the evidence has been there for over a decade now.
Will the virus cause behavioral changes? We don’t know. Too soon to say.
“Everyone is moving to the city.”
The minute they are building yet another 9,000 apartments in the suburbs, JohnnyU, as they are expected to do in Chicago over the next 3 years, get back to me.
“There are dozens.”
Name 3 (beyond LPHS).
That are attendance area.
And at least approximately as “good” as OPRF.
“The minute they are building yet another 9,000 apartments in the suburbs, JohnnyU, as they are expected to do in Chicago over the next 3 years, get back to me.”
Um, about that “expectation”… maybe you’d like to re-evaluate that for any project that has not yet begun vertical construction?
ps:
Since there are “dozens”, 3 should be easy. But it would be fair for me to ask for the first dozen, too, so don’t feel like you should stop at three.
For the record, there are 177 CPS school that enrolled at least one student in any of grades 9-12 this school year. Only 72 had at least 100 students in each of the 4 grades, and only 39 that had at least 200 in every grade.
There are 32 of the 177 that are “Level 1+”–the top ranking from CPS. Of those 32:
6 are YCCS charters, 10 are Noble charters, 2 other charters, meaning that they are not attendance area schools.
That leaves 14:
9 are SEHS
That leaves 5:
Amundsen
Devry
Kenwood
Phoenix Military
Von Steuben
Devry is 11/12 only, and has admissions requirements; Phoenix and Von also have requirements and no attendance area.
Leaving 2:
Amundsen is fine, and Kenwood is solid.
That’s 2 (3 with LPHS, which isn’t 1+). NOT “dozens”.
“The minute they are building yet another 9,000 apartments in the suburbs, JohnnyU, as they are expected to do in Chicago over the next 3 years, get back to me.”
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/commercial-real-estate/hottest-property-burbs-now-apartments
Last year appear to be a wash between the city and ‘burbs for apartment units on line
Does that make the ‘burbs HAWT ™?
Or are you going to pull some other criteria? Or did I miss something in the HAWT Market Theory ™?
“The minute they are building yet another 9,000 apartments in the suburbs, JohnnyU, as they are expected to do in Chicago over the next 3 years, get back to me.”
why would they, with 50k+ residents leaving the state every year they don’t need to
“why would they, with 50k+ residents leaving the state every year they don’t need to”
Because they are building those downtown. On top of the over 10,000 they have already built which are 95% occupied.
Speaking of occupancy, they are now leasing Wolf Point East. It’s a gorgeous building. Really well done by the architects on that one.
It’s a big building at premium rents. Some of the highest in the city.
From the Tribune a few days ago: “As of last Monday, only a quarter of Wolf Point East’s 698 apartments were leased and just 12 percent were occupied.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/blair-kamin/ct-biz-wolf-point-east-reveiw-kamin-20200508-nmwelulqyzdkfdhl5iwlkv2ngu-story.html
That’s commercial JohnnyU.
Are they building 9,000 apartments over the next 3 years in Oak Park and Evanston like they are in the downtown corridor?
Nope. Never. Although I do think it’s great that downtown Oak Park got a couple of new high rises out of the apartment boom. It needed it and you’re right there next to both Metra and the subway so it’s a great location.
“Um, about that “expectation”… maybe you’d like to re-evaluate that for any project that has not yet begun vertical construction?”
Those numbers come from the stats people. Just saw it in an article a couple of days ago. They are still building but I don’t know how many of the 9,000 haven’t yet broken ground. It was evenly spread out in terms of when they would come online, 3,000 each year, or thereabouts, so presumably this year has broken ground.
“That’s commercial JohnnyU.
Are they building 9,000 apartments over the next 3 years in Oak Park and Evanston like they are in the downtown corridor?
Nope. Never. Although I do think it’s great that downtown Oak Park got a couple of new high rises out of the apartment boom. It needed it and you’re right there next to both Metra and the subway so it’s a great location.”
Apartments aren’t commercial
Nice job trying to move the goalposts (again). I show that they’re building about = numbers of apartments in the ‘burbs as the city and that’s not good enough. Now it’s a 3 year projection for the city Vs OP and Evanston. Why not just make it Crete and Marengo?
Did I miss a 9000 units in 3 years as part of the HAWT Market Theory ™?
The fact of the matter is that is going to be at least 18 months before anybody in chicago goes to a 4 am bar, attends a ‘fest’, dines in a crowded food hall or waits in a long line for hamilton ticket (or any other show). That’s phase 5 of our billionaire governor’s plan. Lori has even more stringent criteria. So, really, is there any difference between living in the suburbs and in the city at this point? At least some of the suburbs look like they might defy the governor’s orders entirely and open up on their own timelines, and as soon as the first one like Burr Ridge or Elmhurst opens, the flood gates open; meanwhile back in Chiraq, even the open air corner heroin markets are still closed because you can’t social distance sharing a needle. Chicago is done. i always knew this day would come, when our city veered more towards Detroit and Baltimore than Sydney, and here we are, that day has finally arrived. I would have never guessed that the catalyst of our decline was because an overweight evil billionaire naively thought that waiting out the wuhan virus was a realistic option. For a guy with all the money in the world who shipped his family off to FLorida during the pandemic, he sure is good at destroying all that is good.
at ANON(TFO) and JOHNNYU
“That leaves 5:
Amundsen
Devry
Kenwood
Phoenix Military
Von Steuben
Devry is 11/12 only, and has admissions requirements; Phoenix and Von also have requirements and no attendance area.
Leaving 2:
Amundsen is fine, and Kenwood is solid.
That’s 2 (3 with LPHS, which isn’t 1+). NOT “dozens”.”
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results???
The poster behind Sabrina despite ripping on Trump writes in a similar hyperbole manner. He/she (will use he for now) will make an overarching generalization and then have little data to back it up. And he won’t admit his mistake; he’ll just go silent on the topic and move on.
From an ascribing intent viewpoint, it’s to Sabrina’s advantage to have more comments on the site. more traffic. more ad revenue. more eyeballs. so if he tweaks anon’s BORG behavior then all the better.
I appreciate Sabrina creating this site and posting Chicago properties but do wish there were some improvements like comment blocking, acknowledgement from Sabrina that some assertions are questionable, allowance of anti-jew hate spiels, etc.
HD
“catalyst of our decline was because an overweight evil billionaire naively thought that waiting out the wuhan virus was a realistic option. ”
dude we get it. JB for you stands for Jabba the Butt. I’m just trying to pull you back a bit before people start on you in a reverse calling of like TDS.
As for JB well you got time on your side…from wiki
One governor, Rod Blagojevich, was impeached and removed from office in 2009. Unique among the states is the notable fact that four of Illinois’ seven governors between 1961 and 2009 were imprisoned for various forms of corruption while in office.[3][4] The current governor is J. B. Pritzker, who took office on January 14, 2019.
“waiting out the wuhan virus”
I actually was it vox no I think it was economist
yeah it was economist (imo not their best work this one)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMLop-jR8cw
that pointed out that inherent to the US style of political governance and health care makes it very hard for the US to handle a pandemic.
If I were King (of Sweden) of the USA, I would have put money in peoples pockets ala basic income ( IRS equiv refund checks ) and swollen the balance sheets and deal with the bulging deficient over years
god I know american is resilient and we will get through this.
“The poster behind Sabrina despite ripping on Trump writes in a similar hyperbole manner. He/she (will use he for now) will make an overarching generalization and then have little data to back it up. And he won’t admit his mistake; he’ll just go silent on the topic and move on.“
She’s turned into the love child of JoeZ and Baghdad Bob
Posting under the moniker of “Karen” would be apropos
““We are listening to the scientists, the epidemiologists and the doctors about what’s best for the people who live in our state,” he said.
So, depending on one’s point of view, the medical community gets either the credit or blame for Pritzker’s policy that demands either a cure or a vaccine for the coronavirus before this state’s people and businesses can resume normal life.
That approach is, obviously, the subject of considerable discord.
Speaking for the dissenters in the state’s devastated business community, Illinois Chamber of Commerce President Todd Maisch said “while we respect his devotion to public health, he’s increasingly ignoring the economic crisis that is at hand.”
That’s an overstatement. The governor is not ignoring it; he’s presiding over this unfolding, incredibly costly disaster. But Illinois only has one governor, and it’s Pritzker who’s charged, by statute, with making public-health emergency declarations and overseeing the response.”
https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-pritzker-path-long-miserable/article_83a651b3-b50a-5fcc-9b11-faaf46f46892.html
So, JB should say “fuck it”, open everything up, BUT continue to let everyone know that the recommendation from the department of public health is “stay home”, that he will veto any liability protections for businesses, and everyone is basically on their own.
What business will there be to transact? Are YOU going to sit down dinner, a movie and then out to Ravens til 4 am, HD?
chichow: you aren’t wrong.
Anon(tfo), your intellectually dishonest strawman argument doesn’t dignify a response. You can do your own research.
That being said, there’s considerable resistance to JB’s toughest reopening in the nation plan. He was one of the first to close the state and he’s insisted that IL will be one of the last, if not the last, to reopen.
The fact of the matter is, while he as a billionaire can financially afford to shutdown indefinitely, most households and municipalities cannot. 1 in 5 people in the state are out of work right now. Even the most fiscally sound suburbs are ringing the 5 alarm fire bells about their own solvency because tax revenue has dropped.
What’s *your* plan, HD?
The folks whose water you are carrying are saying “open it up now”–do you agree with that or not?
If that were to happen, how much of the business is coming back?
Politically, it wouldn’t necessarily be stupid for JB to be done with it, and leave it to the 8,000+ local governments in the state.
“What business will there be to transact? Are YOU going to sit down dinner, a movie and then out to Ravens til 4 am, HD?”
I’d go out to dinner or grab a beer
Whats you’re prescription Anon? There’s a pretty wide range of options between Shelter in place until there’s a cure and Do what ever you want.
I would also add that a lot of the politicians are reaping what they sowed in terms of resistance to the lockdown as the original rational was sold as “flattening the curve”. One can argue if this is complete (I think it varies by location), but what the fat, lucky sperm pool winner is saying now bears no resemblance to the original argument hence why many/most don’t believe what the fat fuck says.
Anon, I agree with JohnnyU. Indiana is opening up as we speak and most of the state will be completely open by the 4th of July, just in time for independence day. WI is reopening too by it’s own metrics even though the goofball gov. just arbitrarily it’s own standards. There’s all kinds of evidence coming out of FL and GA that things are going just fine, restaurants with outdoor seating are at 50% capacity…
My plan would be to rejigger some of the completely arbitrary and capricious metrics coming out of Springfield and move us to Phase 3 ASAP, with Phase four by the time school starts. It’s a real burden that summer camps and day care remain closed – that means a good percentage of people can’t return to work full time even if their home offices in other states open completely. Phase 5 needs to be completely changed – no other state has the ‘vaccine or cure or burnout ‘ is the only way to reopen anything with 50 or more people. JB says that playgrounds can’t reopen until there is a cure for coronavirus. Come on JB, come on. My local park district sent out an email about JB’s plan, the gist of which is “we have no idea what the heck the govenor is doing, we are indefinitely closed until further notice, and by the way, expect a tax increase from us on your real estate bill due to lost income.”
cc’s troll, a truly dishonest lying ___ ironically posted:
“…your intellectually dishonest strawman argument doesn’t dignify a response…”
Wow, talk abt a pot calling a kettle… Ok regarding numerous recent nonsensical hd posts: imo hd pines for the return of a Levi’s wearing Rauner riding in on a Harley, an almost lean man’s man who despite being born in no parent home in a place lower than Cal City single handedly propelled himself to Ivy league schools then billionaire status, while paying all taxes owed and honoring all commitments. As an elected official he worked in a truly bipartisan way, striving to reach win/win agreement with elected reps of IL’s majority party. Rauner,, an expert with numbers & budgets, quickly upon being seated, single handedly developed the plan which balanced the IL budget. Like Warren Buffet, Rauner then announced his intent to devote his entirely self made fortune not to enriching his very deserving relatives forever but to helping others. Bring Rauner back – hd & IL deserve his assistance.
I see my stalker – southbound – is back. He’s creepily scrolled through all my old posts, pieced together what he believes is a dossier of where I’ve lived, where i grew up, what my occupation is, the names of my children, the elementary school they attend, my wife’s height and weight. All because he disagrees with my viewpoints, therefore, I shall be harassed and bullied online. Nobody likes a bully southbound.
“because he disagrees with my viewpoints, therefore, I shall be harassed and bullied online”
Counselor, heal thyself.
regardless of the phases and the speed at which we move forward it’s going to be
two steps forward one step back
so I DO FULLY EXPECT a relaxation and then tightening of restrictions
South Korea which was hailed as one of the best with testing is dealing with subsequent hot spots (from a nightclub area).
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/a-full-breakdown-of-the-5-phases-of-chicagos-reopening-plan/2268791/
1 in 5 sucks – I mean like majorly blows donkey b
my quick google gave me 11% unemployment but that was March numbers
HD for 20% are you quoting april numbers? got a link?
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/unemployment-still-high-in-illinois-but-falling/article_0447e3b8-8583-11ea-9d6b-931a968f7955.html
“WI is reopening too by it’s own metrics even though the goofball gov. just arbitrarily it’s own standards.”
FWIW I think Evers & Walz have done a pretty good job. I do think they’re feeling some internal DNC pressure relative to the reopening timeline
“cc’s troll, a truly dishonest lying ___ ironically posted:
“…your intellectually dishonest strawman argument doesn’t dignify a response…”
Wow, talk abt a pot calling a kettle… Ok regarding numerous recent nonsensical hd posts: imo hd pines for the return of a Levi’s wearing Rauner riding in on a Harley, an almost lean man’s man who despite being born in no parent home in a place lower than Cal City single handedly propelled himself to Ivy league schools then billionaire status, while paying all taxes owed and honoring all commitments. As an elected official he worked in a truly bipartisan way, striving to reach win/win agreement with elected reps of IL’s majority party. Rauner,, an expert with numbers & budgets, quickly upon being seated, single handedly developed the plan which balanced the IL budget. Like Warren Buffet, Rauner then announced his intent to devote his entirely self made fortune not to enriching his very deserving relatives forever but to helping others. Bring Rauner back – hd & IL deserve his assistance.”
Its ok Karen, in this day and age no one is going to give a rip if you’re a chubby chaser
“Anon, I agree with JohnnyU.”
To throw the question back to me, and state that there is a spectrum of options (which, I will note, should be obvious)?
“My plan would be to rejigger some of the completely arbitrary and capricious metrics coming out of Springfield and move us to Phase 3 ASAP”
That’s not a plan, that’s a plan to make a plan. And is reliant on JB’s framework.
And the rest is just more complaining about how that framework doesn’t work, and saying that things need to happen by arbitrary dates, which isn’t how things related to health care work–do we say that cancer people are cured of cancer within 120 days, regardless of the state of the disease?
The thing about this virus is that, for the most part, WE DON’T KNOW: we don’t know if infection = immunity, if it does, we don’t know how long the immunity lasts, if the immunity is temporary, we don’t know if re-infection is worse or not as bad, etc etc etc. There is evidence that the virus has non-respiratory effects, but that’s not confirmed. We really don’t know more than we do. And our political “leadership”: city, state, national, has both good and bad reasons to not fully discuss that aspect of things.
“The thing about this virus is that, for the most part, WE DON’T KNOW: we don’t know if infection = immunity, if it does, we don’t know how long the immunity lasts, if the immunity is temporary, we don’t know if re-infection is worse or not as bad, etc etc etc. There is evidence that the virus has non-respiratory effects, but that’s not confirmed. We really don’t know more than we do. And our political “leadership”: city, state, national, has both good and bad reasons to not fully discuss that aspect of things.”
Yes, there are a lot of unknowns, for sure, but we do have a lot known knowns: the overwhelming number of people seem to recover. Unhealthy populations and the elderly are hit the hardest. The asymptomatic rate is upwards of 30% or higher. Infection seems to confer immunity in most people. Some people don’t seem to even catch it despite exposure. There are other rare symptoms to small portions of the population.
But disagreeing with JB’s position is perfectly fine. Giving one man so much power to destroy the state is undemocratic and quite literally authoritarian and fascist.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-unemployment-hits-an-estimated-1-in-5-workers/
Yes, the source is a little biased for sure, but there’s truth to it. I’m not officially ‘unemployed’ despite a massive revenue reduction just enough to cover my costs. Restaurant owners are still doing carryout and delivery, to cover their costs, and they’re not ‘unemployed’, they’re just working for free! And it doesn’t cover my spouse’s massive pay cut from mandatory part time furloughs for the foreseeable future! So yeah, the official unemployment rate doesn’t capture the people who aren’t in the unemployment system.
“That’s not a plan, that’s a plan to make a plan. And is reliant on JB’s framework. ”
So what. No one, not a single person, has ever argued ‘open it all up’. JB, just like everyone else, has a framework. His framework is likely the most stringent in the country. Phase 5 is cure or vaccine. Which is unrealistic. Another example of his is that, IIRC to move from stage 2 to 3, we need below a 20% new case to testing ratio. First of all, it’s reliant on testing, which JB broadcasts to the world is deficient. We are at 22% now. Why not 25%? These figures seem so arbitrary and capricious.
“There’s all kinds of evidence coming out of FL and GA that things are going just fine, restaurants with outdoor seating are at 50% capacity.”
There is?
What’s the “evidence”?
Florida continues to see a rise in cases and deaths. Georgia has some hotspot in a smaller northwest county, north of Atlanta.
Neither has seen their overall numbers dropping for 14 days before reopening.
“That being said, there’s considerable resistance to JB’s toughest reopening in the nation plan.”
From who?
There were 300 protesters downtown the other weekend.
If I lived downstate where there were no food processing plants and fewer numbers of infections, I’d be pissed that they still had to remain closed. But how many counties have that?
I don’t think Illinois can possibly remain completely closed until mid-June or later. There will be a partial reopening just after Memorial Day. But if there are bigger outbreaks in the other states that opened several weeks earlier by then, the consumer may not go out much.
From what I’m hearing, most of the big businesses with office workers won’t be sending their people back downtown or to Fulton Market for months. Similarly, many probably won’t go to the indoor mall even if it is open.
Walgreens and CVS are open right now. How many people are in those? Almost nobody.
“Neither has seen their overall numbers dropping for 14 days before reopening.”
That’s a ‘moving the goalposts’ criteria. First it was ‘flatten the curve’ which we did. Then it changed to ‘dropping for 14 days’; then some in our state said ‘dropping for 28 days’. Then our governor threw in the ‘no reopening until there is a cure, vaccine, or it burns out.’ In the meantime, supply chains are shutting down, meat is getting scarce, local governments are going insolvent, children aren’t in school, families are going bankrupt, food pantries are running out of food.
The crowds that believes that JB is keeping us safe literally ignores the other very real costs of keeping it all closed. My side at least acknowledges that reopening may get more people sick, but more people are still getting sick anyways staying at home, in fact, 66% of cases in NYC are people who are staying at home anyways! 83% of coronavirus patients are unemployed or retired, not even in the work force. https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-long-island-new-york-covid19-1.44418223 the other side needs to at least acknowledge teh reality of the real costs of shutting it all down.
By all means, if you want to stop working, and stay at home, do it. Stay at home, collect your 48 weeks of super-unemployment, live off your savings. If you’re unhealthy and can’t go back to work, then don’t go back to work. if you’re elderly in a nursing home, go back with your kids, you’re just a sitting duck in a nursing home, that is a really really bad policy to quarantine them all with other sick people. These are all steps to move us in the right direction of reopening.
“That’s a ‘moving the goalposts’ criteria.”
Nope. That’s from the Federal Coronavirus Task Force on what you need to have to reopen.
Which is why Dr. Fauci said that there will be a lot of needless pain and suffering and death if you reopen too soon.
“I don’t think Illinois can possibly remain completely closed until mid-June or later. There will be a partial reopening just after Memorial Day.”
Not up here, I keep hearing July, JB just said that the models now say mid-june is the peak, and we need 14 days after the peak to even move to phase 3.
As for FL, GA, of course there are new cases, but the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed, the new cases are seemingly paradoxically not as bad as IL and NY and other fully closed states.
I’ve been out plenty to big box stores for food, housing supplies, and to plenty of forest preserves. Its very busy out there, at least in the suburbs.
“South Korea which was hailed as one of the best with testing is dealing with subsequent hot spots (from a nightclub area).”
Look at this little wannabe censor and sneaky dishonest liar. The “subsequent hot spot” was a HOMOSEXUAL nightclub. You must be quite sheltered in your life and not know any gay people. Maybe you should know a few and learn. They are notorious for compromised immune systems as a result of fecal contamination and other assorted non-natural acts. AIDS was originally called GRID before they came up with a more politically correct name.
“Giving one man so much power to destroy the state is undemocratic and quite literally authoritarian and fascist.”
It’s actually bolshevik, not fascist. Fascists loved their middle class and wanted it to thrive as the backbone of the nation. The Bolsheviks despised the middle class and wiped it out. More than 6 million dead. So, Pritzker is indeed a dangerous bolshevik.
His family hails from Russia, Jews who were horse-thieves and userers in the old country. Now, we have JB supporting open abortion clinics, liquor stores, pot legalization. His brother is promoting transgenderism. Penny is all around Leftist hater, a Hillary type wench that nobody can stand.
So, yeah…JB is an out of touch billionaire and he does not care about the middle class at all.
The only state with a worse situation might by PA, which is under the thumb of 2 Jews very similar to Pritzker that hate the people: Thomas Westerman Wolf and a tranny Dr. “Rachel” Levine.
https://www.newsmax.com/US/Pennsylvania-physician-general-Rachel-Levine-Tom-Wolf/2015/01/27/id/620942/
It’s not looking good folks. We’re not getting out this. It will get bad.
PS This conversation sure veered off the topic which was the west-of-LaSalle St. location for the subject property. Don’t blame me.
“Which is why Dr. Fauci said that there will be a lot of needless pain and suffering and death if you reopen too soon.”
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) this afternoon, during Fauci’s hearing:
“We ought to have a little bit of humility in our belief that we know what’s best for the economy. And, as much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don’t think you’re the end-all. I don’t think you’re the one person that gets to make the decision. We can listen to your advice, but there are people on the other sides saying that there’s not going to be a surge, and we can safely open the economy and the facts will bear this out. ”
Sen. Paul is a doctor, he contracted coronavirus, was asymptomatic, does not appear to have transmitted it to any other member of congress, or anyone at all, and he insists that he is now immune from catching it again.
Sen. Paul is absolutely right, Dr. Fauci is just one person, with one opinion. A respected opinion for sure, but he has a track record of being wrong, a lot, about AIDS. He eventually came around, but it took a long time of misinformation before he got his act together.
“66% of cases in NYC are people who are staying at home anyways!”
Yep, because the vast number of people live with their family. They have one or two members who work and come home every day. Whole families are getting infected even though the rest are “at home.”
And I disagree about moving back home with your kids if you’re in a nursing home. Nursing home patients are there because their level of care is extremely high. Likely in a diaper and unable to get out of the bed. That’s why there is so much coronavirus infection. They need daily nursing help. Lots of interaction.
Assisted living is a different story. Residents live in apartments and are mobile. There is no nursing staff that is day to day, for the most part. Might just remind them to take their medicine etc. They do have wet-the-bed issues and have to do a lot of laundry.
It’s more dangerous to take your loved one out of an assisted living facility, than to leave them there. They are much more likely to be exposed to the virus at your home as you are likely going to Costco, Mariano’s, Whole Foods, Home Depot, the McDonald’s drive-thru, Starbucks, Walgreens etc. etc.
As long as they are checking the staffers at assisted living, the resident, right now, is not coming into contact with anyone else. It’s much safer.
They want to do testing of all nursing home/assisted living staffers and the residents. Over 1 million tests. But they’re going to have to do daily testing of all the staffers to make it work. And the residents cannot leave the facility. And no family can come in (which is what they have right now.)
“Infection seems to confer immunity in most people.”
Cite!
helmethofer:
On the one hand, there’s science, and data, arguments; and then on the other hand is HH’s awful, racist, nonsensical bullshit. GFYO HH. No one wants to hear your shit.
As for veering off, it’s all related to real estate, and quite frankly, coronavirus is the only topic these days. No one blames you for anything, go back to zerohedge or something.
Sorry, no zerohedge, I meant infowars. Go back to infowars
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766097
“To date, no human reinfections with SARS-CoV-2 have been confirmed. ”
But, “In summary, existing limited data on antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 and related coronaviruses, as well as one small animal model study, suggest that recovery from COVID-19 might confer immunity against reinfection, at least temporarily. However, the immune response to COVID-19 is not yet fully understood and definitive data on postinfection immunity are lacking. Amidst the uncertainty of this public health crisis, thoughtful and rigorous science will be essential to inform public health policy, planning, and practice.”
Sabrina, with so many deaths at long term care facilities, whether full out nursing homes, group homes or assisted living, I’d say you’re more likely to contract coronavirus IN one of these homes, as opposed to wearing a mask and going to costco.
“[Rand Paul] insists that he is now immune from catching it again”
Based on … libertarian principles?
He’s an ophthalmologist.
Does he know more of epidemiology that you and I? Most likely so.
Does he know enough to know he’s actually immune to reinfection? Not a chance.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766097
“whether immunity occurs among individuals after they have recovered from COVID-19 is uncertain.”
So, your ” known knowns: … Infection seems to confer immunity in most people.” isn’t actually supported?
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
“Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning.”
Why does Gov Fat Fuck want to kill all the poors?
“Sabrina, with so many deaths at long term care facilities, whether full out nursing homes, group homes or assisted living, I’d say you’re more likely to contract coronavirus IN one of these homes, as opposed to wearing a mask and going to costco.”
Wrong. The only reason there are outbreaks is because they aren’t testing the staff and they didn’t shut them down.
There’s one assisted living in Connecticut that early on went all in. It required staff to live onsite. Locked down the residents. No one in, or out.
No cases.
The number of cases in assisted living (versus nursing homes, which, as I said they require a much higher level of care where the nurses actually have to interact with them physically on a daily basis) shouldn’t be going up going forward as they have been shut down in the states that have the shelter-in-place. If you’re in one in Iowa or South Dakota, you’re screwed. But in Illinois, they are now locked down.
Moving them out means they are now at HOME with their kids and their 3 grandkids. That’s a TON of exposure, literally daily. The grocery stores are one of the highest places of infection with grocery store employees having died from it. So the parents, and maybe the kids, are leaving the house to go to all these places. Every time you leave, your risk increases. A family member could get it and be asymptomatic. And then Grandma dies.
That’s why it’s safer for Grandma to stay on lockdown in her assisted living apartment where she has little contact with anyone except staff which is bringing her her meals. Of course staff MUST be tested too to have it be effective. And that’s where it’s breaking down at the moment. Has to be happening daily.
We simply don’t have enough testing to reopen anything. We’re all just going on blind luck and hoping that the person sitting at the next table over in the restaurant doesn’t have it.
Good luck.
“So, your ” known knowns: … Infection seems to confer immunity in most people.” isn’t actually supported?”
So your position is that it doesn’t confer immunity? My evidence is stronger: Not a single confirmed case of reinfection along with other scientific evidence.
“So your position is that it doesn’t confer immunity?”
No, my position, which I clearly stated, is that WE DON’T KNOW.
As I wrote above (re-formatted to make it easier to read):
“The thing about this virus is that, for the most part, WE DON’T KNOW:
“we don’t know if infection = immunity,
“if it does, we don’t know how long the immunity lasts,
“if the immunity is temporary, we don’t know if re-infection is worse or not as bad,
“etc etc etc.”
“Why does Gov Fat Fuck want to kill all the poors?”
1. Why are you citing an article about influenza?
2. Uh, because that’s the American way? Helps to balance the budget? What else do you expect from a plutocrat?
“1. Why are you citing an article about influenza?”
Its a Virus as well. ASSUMING they act similar, a lot of the precautions we’re taking aren’t decreasing our risks
“2. Uh, because that’s the American way? Helps to balance the budget? What else do you expect from a plutocrat?”
I would have went because he’s fat
“Its a Virus as well. ASSUMING they act similar”
HIV is also a virus…
yeah, both respiratorily transmitted viruses.
Pretty small sample sizes!
from the Tribune
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-pandemic-chicago-illinois-news-20200512-2fxtlpdazrhcxb3x3542i5wfxy-story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-cb-pritzker-plan-reopen-illinois-20200506-erfvitdovffmzd7ativx4hj57q-htmlstory.html
so I honestly don’t watch the 6pm news and barely the 10pm and have kind of tuned out a lot of the noise.
what’s the indicator on moving from Phase 2 to Phase 3? Any signaling from the governors office on when that will happen?
“what’s the indicator on moving from Phase 2 to Phase 3?”
1. A region must keep the share of new positive tests at 20% or below for two weeks, with no major spikes.
2. Hospital admissions for COVID-19 have to be stable for 28 days, and
3. the region has to have 14% of hospital beds and equipment available to respond to a surge in new COVID-19 patients.
4. Testing availability must expand to anyone with underlying conditions, as well as residents and staff as nursing homes, jails and other congregate settings.
5. Contact tracing begins within 24 hours of diagnosis.
Seems to me that #5 is going to be interpreted *very* loosely. All of the state, outside metro Chicago (and possibly outside Cook, and possibly outside Chicago city limits) is in compliance with #1-4.
A big piece of the argument (apart from the regions) is the 28 days. I think it would have been reasonable to require 28, but allow look-back-counting up to 14–that is, making it possible to move to Phase 3 after 14 days in Phase 2 *IF* criteria 2 had been met for 14 days prior to May 1. So, still a total of 28 consecutive required.
Phase 3 to 4 requires no backslide on the above 1-3 requirements, AND:
4b. Testing must be available for anyone, regardless of symptoms.
5b. Contact tracing must begin within 24 hours for more than 90% of the cases in the region.
Only way that works is if there are very few positive tests, or they are virtually all limited to institutionalized people–90% contact tracing w/in 24 hours for you, me and HD? With the government we have in Illinois?
Phase 4 to 5 requires either:
(i) vaccine, OR
(ii) effective treatment (note: not C18H26ClN3O, NaClO, or UV light), OR
(iii) ‘herd immunity’ measured by no new cases for indeterminate ‘sustained period’.
Anon(tfo), i would argue that herd immunity is not even an option, because that assumes that enough people get the disease, which Illinois is trying to stop. (5)(iii) is the virus mutating or burning itself out naturally so that it’s no longer virulent or lethal. So basically never at this point. This is not good for Illinois future when our neighbors are all open.
“This is not good for Illinois future when our neighbors are all open.”
The Spanish flu outbreaks in the major US cities shows that if you shutdown early and stay shut down longer, you have a far different, more safe, outcome.
You can see the city charts here. Philly, as we know, had the dumb parade and didn’t shut down until over a week later. It suffered the most deaths. But others, like St. Louis, had strong social distancing rules and shut down early and it saw half the death rate.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
In the case of Illinois or LA County, which isn’t going to reopen for quite some time, they will be better off than neighbors in terms of deaths.
Also, if you notice in the city charts, several, but not all, had second wave outbreaks as well.
“In the case of Illinois or LA County, which isn’t going to reopen for quite some time, they will be better off than neighbors in terms of deaths.”
That’s one theory, certainly deserves credence. Like you said, Philly had that bond parade – which we all know now know not to do – and certainly no one suggests we pack millennium park. But even WI just allowed small businesses to open with reasonable measures in place.
Tourism based businesses are toast – there’s no saving them, even if they did open. People just aren’t going to travel. But restaurants, small retailers, caterers, they can at least make ‘some’ money to reduce their losses, and maybe survive a few very lean years.
But it stands now under IL’s orders, those businesses face certain death and local government faces insurmountable insolvency. It remains to be seen if there will be more deaths, as paradoxically, we already have coronavirus deaths under the stay at home order. Proper social distancing for businesses is completely necessary.
And for goodness sakes, reopen the parks and playgrounds. Has anyone tried to buy a kiddie pool or swing set for their backyard recently? There’s been a run on them, you can’t barely find any backyard things for kids anywhere.
“HIV is also a virus”
Yeah, and how long has the goblin-freak Fauci been working on a vaccine? All that money thrown at it, we’re talking billions. Same thing with the Susan B Komen “charity” swindle. They never produce any breakthroughs either.
“herd immunity is not even an option, because that assumes that enough people get the disease”
well, I was just reciting the (current) criteria. And whether it is even vaguely possible or not depends on two known unknowns:
(i) whether infection leads to semi-durable immunity/disease-resistance, and
(ii) how many asymptomatic infected people are out there.
“It remains to be seen if there will be more deaths, as paradoxically, we already have coronavirus deaths under the stay at home order. Proper social distancing for businesses is completely necessary.”
This can’t really be done. Think about how small many kitchens are. Those are the ones that are going to close. Imagine operating a food truck? You need daily, reliable testing to work in one of those.
Patagonia is keeping its people 30 feet apart in its distribution facility. It’s going above and beyond. The rest will not (or cannot).
And you cannot reopen the kiddie parks. How do you keep that sanitized? They can run around the fields. That’s fine. It’s a throwback to 100 years ago.
By Gawd!! NONE of this would have happened if people hadn’t tried to extend Bucktown South of Armitage!
“And you cannot reopen the kiddie parks. How do you keep that sanitized? They can run around the fields. That’s fine. It’s a throwback to 100 years ago.”
Why not?
Their risk is almost 0
“Their risk is almost 0”
Correct. This is all a huge hoax. Goblin Fauci, Mommy Birx, and the “2 million will die” adulterer Neil Ferguson are all lying to you. Neil Ferguson got busted swapping love juices with his fat married mistress during the pandemic lockdown. LOL!!! Even the media hasn’t worn masks at the press briefings, until recently, for show. The absurdity of them asking questions thru masks lol…the environmentalists are loving this “virus” crisis. Shut down the world and drive the birth rate to a halt. Mother Earth Gaia needed her breather! Big Pharma getting geared up, big time. Billionaires won’t have to share the global fast lane life with the upper middle class anymore, their travel will be shut down.
There will be no safe vaccine, OK? There is no HIV virus vaccine after 25 years.
Can we move on already?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bobby-rushs-coronavirus-trace-act-is-a-shocking-threat-to-personal-freedom
Our own local boy, Bobby Rush has sponsored the Contract Tracing bill. That’s the next step.
It’s not a huge hoax, not by a long shot. It decimates, using the actual meaning of the word, the age group of 60 and above, and the same for obese people under the age of 60. For everyone else – including children – its like a Russian Roulette of death by a deadly virus, with the odds decreasing, but still prevalent, as you decrease in age groups.
However, where I, and most people other with common sense differ from the ‘shut down forever’ crowd, is that we need to, on the most fundamental level, feed our families, and since we are no longer an agricultural society, it means we need to leave the house and interact with others, which can spread this disease. There’s no way around it in a modern, non-agricultural society. We should minimize the risk as much as possible, protect the most vulnerable (and strongly encourage the obese, including our governor, to lose significant weight). The evidence seems to show that reducing BMI from the 33 to like 25 can turn a lethal case into a flu like case, or even asymptomatic, just based on BMI alone, because the hypertension, diabetes, obesity caused COPD, is significantly reduced, just by losing weight. Of course, there will be the 1 in 1000 russian roulette case, which in many cases can have good outcomes, as long as the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed and there is good medical care available. Death with this is inevitable, and reducing death to zero is impossible. People need to take some selfresponsibility, get their butts out and job, and lose some weight, keep old people locked down, forever if necessary, and move on.
“There’s no way around it in a modern, non-agricultural society.”
From what I understand, the Chinese did not leave their homes in Wuhan. Each district was already split up into subsections through the communist party. Essentially, they had aldermen in each district. Those alderman were in charge of getting food to their subsection. And that’s what they did.
The aldermen, and delivery and supermarket workers, had to leave and go out. But it was much less people than having everyone randomly going to supermarkets. And the supermarket workers never interacted with random people so that kept infections down as well.
We are screwed. No state is going to bend the curve. We have failed. Look at what is happening in Orange County. There were those big protests about 3 weeks ago. The cases are now spiking. They’re not sure if its from the protests or just from more testing. Still need to do more tracing. But too many people are going out and too many are gathering in groups.
There will be a second wave in several states in the first two weeks of June.
“Correct. This is all a huge hoax.”
What rural area you sitting in HH?
You’re in the risky age group. Highest death rates. I hope you’re staying inside. In fact, you really shouldn’t leave your house until there is a vaccine. According to you, that could be 25 years.
“Their risk is almost 0”
Last I checked, a 5 year old doesn’t go to a park by themselves.
There’s so much stupidity on this blog, it’s truly incredible.
S posted “Last I checked, a 5 year old doesn’t go to a park by themselves. There’s so much stupidity on this blog, it’s truly incredible.'”
Whaaaaat? cc’s senior epidemiologist recently opined “..we need to, on the most fundamental level, feed our families, and since we are no longer an agricultural society, it means we need to leave the house and interact with others, which can spread this disease.” That’s not stupid – apparently AmazonFresh, InstaCart, Jewel/Safeway delivery etc all refuse to deliver to Pk Ridge so hd needs to head out to Wisconsin or wherever masks aren’t required to shop for groceries (or maybe hd’s hunting up there).
Ok the fact hd is apparently willing to risk kids lives to make a political point is frightening but not necessarily stupid imo. Iisn’t hd’s larger point that natural selection will ultimately rule?
” It decimates, using the actual meaning of the word, the age group of 60 and above, ”
yeah so it gotta suck if you are over 60s
Took a random website and illinois is 20% over 60
https://www.statista.com/statistics/910817/illinois-population-share-age-group/
so you also have additional longer damage to the economy because that 20% of the population isn’t going to be out at all spending (yea I know they not the target 18 – 25 age group)
“Last I checked, a 5 year old doesn’t go to a park by themselves.”
You are so intellectually dishonest when you’re wrong
Look at the U15 death totals and then comment, Karen
I eagerly await to hear how 14 YO can’t go to the park by themselves or some other nonsensical ramblings
” It decimates, using the actual meaning of the word, the age group of 60 and above, ”
They get divided up into groups of 10, draw lots and the loser gets killed by the other 9?
Whaaaaat? cc’s senior epidemiologist recently opined “..we need to, on the most fundamental level, feed our families, and since we are no longer an agricultural society, it means we need to leave the house and interact with others, which can spread this disease.” That’s not stupid – apparently AmazonFresh, InstaCart, Jewel/Safeway delivery etc all refuse to deliver to Pk Ridge so hd needs to head out to Wisconsin or wherever masks aren’t required to shop for groceries (or maybe hd’s hunting up there).
Ok the fact hd is apparently willing to risk kids lives to make a political point is frightening but not necessarily stupid imo. Iisn’t hd’s larger point that natural selection will ultimately rule?“
Yet you are cool with risking grocery workers and delivery peoples lives to, I don’t know, feel smug maybe?
I don’t get the (lack of) logic where those that are most vehemently pro lockdown have zero issue putting others lives at risk as long as their lives go on as close to normal as possible.
Nothing wrong with some free range, no antibiotics, organic turkey
When I say that most of us no longer grow our own food, I didn’t mean that we could just have instacart deliver it to us instead. I meant that our economy is based on earning money to buy food.
Which is the very reason why the instacart workers are out buying groceries for others because they can’t be indefinitely shutdown. We can’t just rely on the government to deliver people food during the a forever shutdown, we need people working to keep those very supply chains moving. Otherwise, only people like southbound get their organic chicken delivered on time and they scream to keep the shutdown going.
As for local aldermen in China delivering food to people, that’s certainly a good idea, but that didn’t work so well either. Welding the doors to apartment buildings shut meant that those that were sick were unable to get treatment, and there is a huge discrepancy between the reported and the likely death figures by a magnitude of 10. Even WaPo reported that there were 40,000+ urns delivered to funeral homes in the days before the lock down was lifted, and the rumors off wechat that the crematoriums in Wuhan were running 24/7 were true. Who really knows what the deaths per 100,000 were in China.
As for decimate, hahahaha, I meant 1 in 10 not that the other 9 kills the one, but you get my point.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
You have a 15% chance of dying over 80, a 9% over 70, and a 3% if you’re over 60, which when I tallied in my head, roughly approximates to a decimation. Which is scary.
But the good part is that they are mostly already out of the work force (Except for the branches of gov in DC!), and more often than not, have the resources to survive, at the most basic level with social security and medicare. It might be time to start talking early retirements for those age 59 and over in society. Kind of a forced retirement to protect them from illness if their job, like school teacher or bus driver, prevents them from keepig safe. Let the younger, healthier people take over jobs where if they catch it, they will most likely survive. We can’t just go on forever and expect the government to feed, clothe and shelter everyone indefinitely. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate just jumped to almost 15%. Crazy time.
jannyu posted “look at the U15 death totals and then comment, Karen”
In point of fact Jan I quoted someone else. Imo your reading comprehension might rise if you mute the sound while your Maude binge-a-thon competes for your attention.
“I eagerly await to hear how 14 YO can’t go to the park by themselves or some other nonsensical ramblings”
The nonsensical includes ‘pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrom’: “Up to 100 cases have been identified in New York City alone, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday, a 22 percent increase over the prior day.” But feel free to risk your own kids health/lives if you feel lucky Jan & hd.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/every-parents-nightmare-cases-of-severe-kids-covid-syndrome-mount-in-ny-spread-across-u-s/2416723/
Jannyu earlier responded to my post: “Its ok Karen, in this day and age no one is going to give a rip if you’re a chubby chaser.”
So I’m guessing Jan that you were trying to characterize me as gay to shame me – you’re a lot like helmethofer aren’t you? I’ve previously posted my irl reality – married to same woman for abt as long as you’ve been alive. unlike hd I don’t see any upside in posting lies or false statements. I don’t give a sh-t abt what you or hd believe abt me but you posting lies & bs innuendo does aggravate me.
“jannyu posted “look at the U15 death totals and then comment, Karen”
In point of fact Jan I quoted someone else. Imo your reading comprehension might rise if you mute the sound while your Maude binge-a-thon competes for your attention.”
Sorry – I view you both as Karen’s
From now on to avoid any confusion
Sabrina = Karen
Southbound = CatLadyKaren
“The nonsensical includes ‘pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrom’: “Up to 100 cases have been identified in New York City alone, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday, a 22 percent increase over the prior day.” But feel free to risk your own kids health/lives if you feel lucky Jan & hd.”
From the article
In New York City, 55 of the 100 cases identified involved children who tested positive for COVID-19 or the antibodies
55%? At this point correlation doesn’t = causation.
I’m glad I’ve got the CatLadyKaren seal of approval!
I’ll be enjoying the Great Outdoors and maybe enjoying a cold beer at the Angry Minnow. Hope you get enjoyment cleaning up hairballs while flicking the bean to the Golden Girls
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Sabrina will be KarenZ
I’m hoping to have a cold beer this weekend at the Angry Minnow
“I’m hoping to have a cold beer this weekend at the Angry Minnow”
Well Jan I hope you get up there & are successful picking up a chubby local harley rider (40%+ of Wisconsin is obese but % of obesity’s much higher up there). Whatever floats your boat. Throw some peanut shells on the floor for hd & helmut. Mounted trophy fish & cool stuffed animals aside I like Coops (& its built in fish tank) better – less dive bar, much better food (pizza’s great when cooked well done imo) but whatever floats your boat. I’ll be riding my bike training to do century rides this summer – you & hd should come with if the Wrigley ride to Miller Park is slated again this summer. Oh wait you two blowhards are likely out of shape fat a-holes
“Oh wait you two blowhards are likely out of shape fat a-holes”
Sorry southbound, not all of us have enough ‘privilege’ to be able to train for 100 mile bike rides. And now you’re shaming me for my dad bod.
You’re really a great guy. I bet you’re well liked among your co-workers and family. They all think you’re just the most caring, wonderful, and giving person.
Nice try CatLadyKaren, You have the Minnow and the Moccasin confused.
Foiled again by that tricky internet thingy. For old Cat Ladies, yelp is pretty confusing. Typical Karen
Coops is marginal, I’d rather have a frozen HRI
“….fat, lucky sperm pool winner..” Jan r u envious just a little bit? I rec u treat your sorry fat a– to a Mega ticket – I won’t begrudge your luck if u win. Would u invest a chunk of those $’s in getting elected to lead IL where you could put your ideas into action? Nah imo whiny b-tches choose remaining whiny over the alternatives no matter what
“You have the Minnow and the Moccasin confused”
No dog (or cat) in this fight, but I read southbound as saying he likes Coops notwithstanding the crap on the wall, not that Angry Minnow has similar crap on the wall. But it wasn’t exactly clear.
“…You have the Minnow and the Moccasin confused. Foiled again by that tricky internet thingy..”
While Jan’s correct that I mis-remembered if I’d googled it I wouldn’t have mistook them. I did like the Angry Minnow much better than the Moccasin altho it’s at the opposite end of the spectrum from Moccasin imo – pretentious in a part of the world that’s great w/o any pretension. Great beer selection & great bar food though at prices higher than Moccasin & Coops.
Not that Jan’d pay any attention to attractive women (other than looking for style pointers) but when I’ve been up there Minnow drew many more than either divish Moccasin or familyish Coops. jme
fat a– blowhard #1 posted”…not all of us have enough ‘privilege’ to be able to train for 100 mile bike rides. And now you’re shaming me for my dad bod.”
Ironic coming from Jan(a) who comments relentlessly abt JB’s physique. Imo there’s no privilege involved in riding bikes like we did when we were 13 or 14. Imo according to your whining posts your current schedule is more like DT’s – completely flexible. So stop tweeting & go ride a bike or put one on a trainer in your basement.
I’m guessing Sabrina calls you Jan b/c you registered a 2nd acct as Jan to upvote your posts when your ego needs some assistance? Looozer
That’s cute, someone taught CatLadyKaren how to use a computer.
Unfortunately
1) Angry Minnow brews their own Beer. I’m a fan (Rye IPA & McStukie) but “Great Beer Selection” isn’t the first thing that pops to mind
2) I dont know anyone that considers AM’s menu “Bar Food”. Maybe Gastro Pub. Hell they dont even have a deep fryer (no FF).
3) I’m pretty sure that the Moc’ doesn’t serve food other than chips, the beef sticks in their Bloody’s and frozen Pizza. But I will say I’ve never been in there after 11AM.
4) Plenty of “Girls Weekend” visitors to the AM. However the fact that you concerned yourself with the attractiveness of the Guests and made no comment on the staff, leads me to believe you’ve never been there.
5) I like the Moc’ but there is no way to say that its divish. Its full on dive. People shithoused at 9:30AM is a pretty good indication.
6) Guessing you felt that the AM pretentious, this is likely due to their dislike of Karens.
Keep spouting off what you read on Yelp.
“.. read southbound as saying he likes Coops notwithstanding the crap on the wall, not that Angry Minnow has similar crap on the wall…”
Sorry I’ve needlessly confused this – the Moccasin (which I thought of when I read Jan’s post) is approx 100 yr old shack/dive bar on the corner of Main & Main in Hayward WI with wall mounted fish & stuffed dioramas including allegedly largest muskie ever caught & every type of albino stuffed animal you could hope to see (w free peanuts/popcorn). Coops is a nearby newer northwoods cabin style building with sufficient adj parking lot. No crap on log walls that I remember. Pizza’s pretty good for n. Wisconsin- jmo. Angry Minnow is more like a north side brew pub – an old loft style former factory iirc converted into hip bar/restaurant located away from downtown (insufficient convenient parking ime for Hayward’s busy times).
Life’s too short to dive this deep on meaningless bs (I do recommend readers visit Hayward though & trying these 3 places)!
Bottom line is the WI supreme ct decision to permit the experiment of fully opening bars & restaurants is not likely to end well for significant % of people who associate w the experimenters
“Angry Minnow is more like a north side brew pub – an old loft style former factory iirc converted into hip bar/restaurant located away from downtown (insufficient convenient parking ime for Hayward’s busy times).”
Its a former home
JFC, get off trip advisor or yelp
“Sorry southbound, not all of us have enough (liberal) ‘privilege’ to be able to train for 100 mile bike rides.”
Ha ha!!! That’s pretty good HD. I can just see southbound, all 155 lbs. of him LARP’ing as an athlete in his $3000 Trek bike. southbound: Give it up narcissist. Sell your bike and give the money to the poor. Donate your time to the less-fortunate than focusing solely on yourself. southbound is a pro-abortion extremist liberal but somehow likes to think he’s in good standing with Notre Dame Univ and the Catholic faith. He’s far from it.
Now that we have that idiot out of the way, the science has been summed up:
1. If you’re under 65, you have roughly a zero percent chance of dying from coronavirus. However, if you are [any age], you have roughly a 100% chance of having your life destroyed by the measures employed to fight coronavirus.
2. Any so-called vaccine with 12-18 months will not be fully (blind-study blah blah) tested, so you’d be insane to take it.
3. Mommy Birx has admitted that COVID death numbers are inflated due to classification procedures. We all know about that.
So, MOVING ON now to Phase II of this Plandemic (HR 6666):
The bill was introduced by Illinois Democrat Rep. Bobby Rush. (NO CHANCE that this black supremacist panther moron wrote it, he’s too busy opining dead jogger-Americans in Georgia.
TRACE is an acronym for “COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone.” The point is made clear. With $100 billion in proposed funding, it is aimed at tracking the every move of every American. It makes the Patriot Act look like kids’ stuff.
According to H.R. 6666’s text, billions in taxpayer money will be used to trace and monitor the contacts of infected individuals, and to support the quarantine of such contacts, through mobile health units and, as necessary at home residences.
This appears to indicate that the government can go to your house, knock on your door and demand you take a COVID-19 test. If it comes back positive, the government then has the directive to ensure that you stay home. The bill does not make it clear how they will enforce this.
I’d suggest people read the twitter of Alex Berenson, a leftie who’s not buying this hoax.
PS Bill Gates in addition to all his foundation shenanigans is a large investor is Fake-meat companies, and the meat supply has been disrupted. Go figure. I guess we’ll all be eating Soylent Green soon too. Because, you know, cow farts are so bad. Greta says so.
Final thought – while I posted “…I do recommend readers visit Hayward though & trying these 3 places)!…” you’d have to be dumber than JannyU if you visit these places before there’s more progress containing this epidemic.
Dr Joseph Fair (an expert – an experienced virologist and epidemiologist – unlike helmutheilhitler, JannyU & hd. And unlike those three Fair’s a 42 yr old runner in great shape) announced today that despite his precautions he suspects he contacted the virus via droplets entering his eyes. “I am a very healthy person,” he says. “If it can take me down, it can take anybody down.”
“Dr Joseph Fair (an expert – an experienced virologist and epidemiologist – unlike helmutheilhitler, JannyU & hd. And unlike those three Fair’s a 42 yr old runner in great shape) announced today that despite his precautions he suspects he contacted the virus via droplets entering his eyes. “I am a very healthy person,” he says. “If it can take me down, it can take anybody down.”
The guy had 4 false negative tests, has the Virus, and we’re relying on testing to re-open and reporting them as meaningful numbers?
CLK – I should probably warn Mr Fair that he has his very own Annie Wilkes
helmutheilhitler a noted humanist & philanthropist has advice “..I can just see southbound, all 155 lbs. of him LARP’ing as an athlete in his $3000 Trek bike. southbound: Give it up narcissist. Sell your bike and give the money to the poor….”
So perceptive. I purchased my bike, a used road bike equivilent of a ford taurus (105 shimano drive train etc vs Porsche equiv. Dura-Ace Di2 which imo is likely what powers Riz’s bike) for $800 (abt 25% of $3k) from someone like hh or his similar thinking acolytes JannyU or hd. They’re at best posers imo, who might own but would never actually ride. fwiw the organized rides I’ve done were typically fundraisers (meaning they required contributing & shaking down friends, family and co-workers to contribute/sponsor me) for causes benefiting the poor & disadvantaged. Go f___ your miserable sorry self ya loooooozer & stick to right wing blogs that welcome the likes of u
Per JannyU, a noted virologist and epidemiologist:”..The guy had 4 false negative tests, has the Virus, and we’re relying on testing to re-open and reporting them as meaningful numbers?….”
Here’s what the noted lib leaning fake news NY Post reports:
“A rapid coronavirus test made by Abbott Laboratories has been found to miss nearly half of all positive infections in certain instances, according to a report by The Hill…..
The White House uses the Abbott test on people who may come into close contact with President Trump, the report said.”
https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/abbotts-coronavirus-test-misses-nearly-50-percent-of-positive-cases-study/
In resp to my post “Angry Minnow is more like a north side brew pub – an old loft style former factory iirc converted into hip bar/restaurant ….”
JannyU posted truly hd like made up lies & total bs: “Its a former home
JFC, get off trip advisor or yelp”
That didn’t seem right to me so I just checked AM’s website which states:
“The Brewery Building-Built in 1889 by the lumber baron Robert L. McCormick, the building that now houses the Angry Minnow is a historic, brick building that originally housed the offices of the Northern Wisconsin Lumber Company…” So not a sfr – wadda lying pos. What motivates hd & jan to post made up bs and lies on cc abt meaningless stuff?
Incidentally I may have met Jan’s dad & ‘stepmom’ on one visit to Angry Minnow (or did I read abt this on trip advisor): People are outgoing in Hayward so it wasn’t a surprise when a 70+ yr old guy dining w very attractive 25-30 yr old woman next to where I was drinking with a friend struck up conversation with us. During our convo the old goat proudly described the place he’d had built or rehabbed NE of Hayward which sounded great. When we asked whether his daughter also lived full time in Hayward he indignantly replied his companion was his wife not his daughter. Kudos to him but I’m guessing if she’s Jan’s ‘stepmom’ it could account for why Jan is such a bitter bitter poster – esp abt JBP. I’ve known more than a few disappointed & bitter trust fund legatees. On the bright side Jan can ask for expert fashion & makeup advice
“That didn’t seem right to me so I just checked AM’s website which states:
“The Brewery Building-Built in 1889 by the lumber baron Robert L. McCormick, the building that now houses the Angry Minnow is a historic, brick building that originally housed the offices of the Northern Wisconsin Lumber Company…” So not a sfr – wadda lying pos. What motivates hd & jan to post made up bs and lies on cc abt meaningless stuff?
Incidentally I may have met Jan’s dad & ‘stepmom’ on one visit to Angry Minnow (or did I read abt this on trip advisor): People are outgoing in Hayward so it wasn’t a surprise when a 70+ yr old guy dining w very attractive 25-30 yr old woman next to where I was drinking with a friend struck up conversation with us. During our convo the old goat proudly described the place he’d had built or rehabbed NE of Hayward which sounded great. When we asked whether his daughter also lived full time in Hayward he indignantly replied his companion was his wife not his daughter. Kudos to him but I’m guessing if she’s Jan’s ‘stepmom’ it could account for why Jan is such a bitter bitter poster – esp abt JBP. I’ve known more than a few disappointed & bitter trust fund legatees. On the bright side Jan can ask for expert fashion & makeup advice“
I may be wrong but my memory is that the signage on the building notes that it was a home. If i’m wrong fine, but it sure as fuck wasn’t a “factory”.
In regards to your fascinating story, Guessing you got confused with a Golden Girls or Matlock episode. Dementia is common in old ladies that own multiple cats.
Did you ask the young lady if she worked at Phipps?
“Let the younger, healthier people take over jobs where if they catch it, they will most likely survive.”
The facts remain that we have failed. We suck. We can’t even get the numbers to go down in a single state before we HAVE to open. We can’t do what Spain and Italy did. Nor the Netherlands or Germany.
We have no patience. We are the child in the candy aisle, screaming and pounding on the floor with our face red from anger.
Give it to me. I want it now.
If only we had actual leadership in the White House that was leading us through this. Someone who came forward saying, “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” Someone who says, “we can sacrifice now, to save more later.” Instead of someone saying, “We need to open up so I can get re-elected this fall.”
It’s so, so sad. And when we look back on this point in our history in 20 to 30 years it will be whole college courses devoted to what went wrong and how it can never be allowed to happen again.
The best thing about America is that it always course corrects when it gets it wrong. We will do so again, but not before we have immense pain and suffering.
“Ok the fact hd is apparently willing to risk kids lives to make a political point is frightening but not necessarily stupid imo. Iisn’t hd’s larger point that natural selection will ultimately rule?”
No. He was arguing that the parks should be opened because kids don’t die from corona. But that 5 year old has parents. And they CAN more easily die from it. So just letting the kids go to the park is stupid.
“…He was arguing that the parks should be opened because kids don’t die from corona. But that 5 year old has parents. And they CAN more easily die from it. So just letting the kids go to the park is stupid.”
I agree – my point about natural selection is that stupid is as stupid does. The decisions/ actions hd & jannyU claim they’re ready to take will imo have high % likelihood of consequences that may thin their genetic contribution to the surviving herd. jmo
To both Karens
What is the acceptable risk you are willing to take to go back to normal, say go to a park or out to eat?
You both may have additional risk factors (age, overweight, diabetes, hair balls – just guessing) that may drive your willingness to accept risk, if so please note.
Also what is the risk for someone < 50YO w/ no comorbidities?
“I agree – my point about natural selection is that stupid is as stupid does.”
What about obesity? We should force people to fat farms. Lock the slobs down! Our own governor bagel cheeks could set the example.
“Dr Joseph Fair (an expert – an experienced virologist and epidemiologist ”
LOL! That guy is the Left’s liar-face to the public. He doesn’t even look sick in the publicity photos from the hospital bed, lol. He’s has the COVID about as much as “Tom Hanks” did early on to publicize this fraud, which means zero. Fake!
Sabrina with the fake ass talking points from CNN.
FACT: The US is testing more than any other country and more than all of Europe combined.
“It’s so, so sad. And when we look back on this point in our history in 20 to 30 years it will be whole college courses devoted to what went wrong and how it can never be allowed to happen again.”
And no unfortunately there will be no lessons learned about why the economy should never be shut down like it was because every virus is different. Applying the lessons learned from COVID-19 to another bug might prove disastrous.
“FACT: The US is testing more than any other country and more than all of Europe combined.”
Um…we have a bigger population?
Ba ha ha ha.
We’re kind of “bigger” than, um, the UK, South Korea or, frankly, just about anyone?
Our testing rate, per capita, is low.
We have failed. We’re a joke. We need to be doing millions of tests a day.
I do have to say, that Illinois has stepped it up though. Lots of testing sites in and near Chicago and you get the results within 2 to 3 days now.
Sadly, with this pandemic, where you live will matter. Stuck in Georgia or Texas and you’re on your own. Cases, and deaths, continue to rise in Texas. Even Dallas wants to remain closed.
The Federal Government has been pathetic.
“And no unfortunately there will be no lessons learned about why the economy should never be shut down like it was because every virus is different. Applying the lessons learned from COVID-19 to another bug might prove disastrous.”
Wrong again Bob. The government has constantly used prior pandemics to prepare for the next one. Hell, this Administration did just that when it ran the Crimson Contagion simulation a year ago and found out that the US government would fail (and then they went and failed when COVID arrived.)
The US usually course corrects after a disaster of this magnitude. It’s what we’re good at. I would expect a complete cleaning out of the government in the fall with many incumbents, of both parties, losing. We’ll then install the “deep state” again to do what they do- and that is to actually GOVERN.
Meanwhile, this is going to have a deep impact on Millennials and GenZ, the ramifications none of us can know.
“The US is testing more than any other country and more than all of Europe combined.”
Cite, please.
From what I can find gthooi, European countries seem about evenly split between more tests per capita, and fewer (3-day moving average), which, with the EU+UK being about 50% more people than US, makes your claim seem possible, but unlikely.