Has Lincoln Park’s Condo Market Finally Recovered from the Bubble? 2145 N. Racine
This 2-bedroom at 2145 N. Racine in Lincoln Park came on the market in December 2018.
We actually chattered about this property twice in 2011, which was during the dark times of the housing bust.
Originally listed at $599,000 in 2010 it had reduced to $499,900, which was well below its $575,000 2006 sales price.
Some of you thought it would ultimately sell for $425,000 to $450,000.
See our chatter here.
It was withdrawn from the market in August 2011 at $499,900 and never sold.
If you recall, the building was new construction in 2006.
It is built on a wider than normal lot measuring 29x123x25x6x119 and is all brick. It has a garage parking space.
The listing says it has new white kitchen cabinets, quartz counter tops and Viking and Bosch appliances.
The unit has crown molding.
The most unique feature, though, is the 250 square foot front facing blue stone terrace with a fire pit.
The property has other features buyers look for including central air, washer/dryer in the unit and a garage parking space.
The unit has come back on the market all these years later at $649,000 which is above the $575,000 2006 purchase price.
Are patient bubble year owners finally getting their day in the sun?
Anne DuBray at Coldwell Banker has the listing. See the pictures here.
Unit #201: 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, 1500 square feet
- Sold in April 2006 for $575,000
- Was listed in April 2010 at $599,000– and reduced to $499,900
- Withdrawn in August 2011
- Listed in December 2018 for $649,000
- Currently still listed at $649,000
- Assessments of $155 a month (includes exterior maintenance, lawn care, scavenger)
- Taxes of $13,360
- Central Air
- Washer/dryer in the unit
- Garage parking
- Bedroom #1: 15×14
- Bedroom #2: 12×10
I wonder how the upstairs neighbors feel about a fire pit on a balcony with a wood ceiling feel about this…
Well, we have to see where it sells but I’m sure there are examples of places there selling at or below their peak price. I see this stuff all the time.
The fire pit is probably gas so its ok… as for the unit… yeah its pretty nice but the style is that of about 7 years ago, dark floors are out! Also this is probably closer to 1200-1300 sqft not 1500… good luck to the sellers
Location is great but at this price I would want a place for an actual dining table. There are plenty of places with this exact layout for much less just a few blocks north. As far as the bathrooms being outdated, I was at a party in a friend’s condo recently and they had the 2011 cherry cabinets, mid shade gold counters and darker floors. I had two reactions; surprise to see a place that didn’t have “modern” white or gray while at the same time feeling so much more comfortable hanging out. I’ve been fairly outspoken about not liking the all white/gray look but realized that it’s because it’s not comfortable at all. I just don’t enjoy spending time, hanging out and catching up with friends in a “cold” place. I also have never been one for modern furnishing and I completely understand wanting a place to look clean but there has to be some balance.
So they paid 575k for it 13 years ago, and probably put in another 50k in the recent remodel and updating. My lord, these people are going to take a bath on this place when it eventually sells for 525-550k.
I imagine this unit really lacks natural light with that brick deck out front of the living room. And unless I’m out of touch with the LP 2/2 market the listing price seems more fitting for a 3/2 especially that far west LP
Is Lincoln Park even a hot area anymore for young folks / millennials?
I know I am an old geezer now, but wife and I went to brunch at a place on Halsted over the weekend and it just seemed so dead compared to say Bucktown. It just seemed really bland and lame as far as shopping and excitement compared to say 15 years ago.
@ Russ; Lincoln Park is like a gated suburban community now, void of street life, just nannys and there masters whipping around in their Rovers bringing little Elijah, Ema, Emily to and fro private school. No more college kids, no more old hippies, no more eclectic emo types, no more traders drinking at 2pm at a dive bar, very few twenty somethings although the boring kind that work in consulting or finance, not the fun types. Yeah, it’s fucking sad and pathetic. The city is regenerating, into what who knows. Maybe it will come out the other side of this transformation better, more exciting, more urbane. I hope so but it’s not looking good in a lot of places, I really hope more high density infill around Lincoln Park and especially Clark, is allowed to boost the population back up. It’s down 10% since 2000 and over 50% since the 1960s.
Lincoln Park is growing again again according to the latest census estimates.
Most of the 50% population loss you cite is from a reduction in household size. Lincoln Park used to be filled with tenemwnt housing.
Should have kept the cherry cabinets. Long way to fall.
The layout seems cramped. Too much crammed into one main living space. The balcony, on the other hand, is almost too big, considering it’s only really usable half the year at best. Great location, though Racine is a bit of a busy street. But I’d probably look for something a bit more spacious. The taxes are ridiculous. I pay the same in taxes for a 5-bedroom single family on a large lot in Highland Park (where public schools actually give you a lot of value for your tax dollar).
” I pay the same in taxes for a 5-bedroom single family on a large lot in Highland Park (where public schools actually give you a lot of value for your tax dollar).”
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Picky, picky, picky!
“I hope so but it’s not looking good in a lot of places, I really hope more high density infill around Lincoln Park and especially Clark, is allowed to boost the population back up. It’s down 10% since 2000 and over 50% since the 1960s.”
This is in Lincoln Park alone?
That’s probably due to a change in the family structure (fewer kids than prior generations) along with the aging owners in Lincoln Park whose kids long ago left. It’s mostly Baby Boomers and Silent Generation there, right?
And yes, there have been many conversions of older homes from apartments back into homes, which has reduced the population. Along with the teardowns of some homes to make way for truly mega-McMansions that take up numerous lots.
The new construction at the Old Children’s Memorial hospital should add a bunch of younger people.
“Is Lincoln Park even a hot area anymore for young folks / millennials?”
Quick answer: No. It hasn’t been for about 15-20 years either.
Just look at what has happened to Armitage corridor. That used to be one of the premier shopping streets in the city but Southport and Damen/North/Milwaukee long ago surpassed it after the landlords raised rents so high that only the national chains could go in there. And then they left empty storefronts during the Great Recession and the street died.
“only really usable half the year at best”
C’mon, just move to Florida already, then. With it being covered, I might well be out there today drinking coffee by the firepit.
Building footprint (w/o the front porch) is only a little over 1200 sf. 1250 sf is probably puffery for this place.
“…Armitage corridor. That used to be one of the premier shopping streets in the city …after the landlords raised rents so high that only the national chains could go in there. And then they left empty storefronts during the Great Recession and the street died.”
Ime landlords on Armitage are very successful collecting ever increasing rents from apartments but have overall been losing money renting their retail spaces to turnover prone non-credit tenants, particularly via spending money on ‘TI’ (tenant improvements or cash allowances specified in lease agreements). After repeatedly experiencing losses rational landlords apparently decided they’d be better off ‘suffering’ with a vacant retail space (possibly qualifying for a property tax reduction) & waiting for a credit worthy tenant.
@Russ, @Marko, I live in Lincoln Park. It’s great. Enjoy the west side.
Lincoln Park was still pretty awesome when I resided there from ’07-10 and again from ’12-’16. It never, EVER, felt like a suburb. The bar scene around DePaul was always rowdy and generally fun (RIP Stanleys). I didn’t notice a radical change after the recession except for a bunch of multifams being demolished to construct hideous single family mansions. If anything I felt it got more tolerable as the hipsters went farther west on Fullerton and west of the highway. Maybe it got more socioeconomically homogenous but Wicker Park is no more diverse in that sense now, and Logan Square is arguably already there.
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“void of street life” – that is laughably false.
“No more college kids, no more old hippies” – As far as I know DePaul still exists. Also those old hippies cashed out of their houses they bought there for a song back in the 70’s.
“no more traders drinking at 2pm at a dive bar, very few twenty somethings although the boring kind that work in consulting or finance” – Traders work in finance. And River North is where they typically go to drink.
“I really hope more high density infill around Lincoln Park and especially Clark, is allowed to boost the population back up.” – 100% agree. Mayor Emmanuel’s new 5-year Housing Plan is addressing creative solutions to building up housing stock again to offset the loss of so many 2-4 unit residential multifamily sites. I’m hoping that they eventually adopt this pro-ADU stance they mention in the 5-year plan. This could legalize construction of coachhouses/garage-ADUs and allow owners to legalize un-certified basement units. It’s a much more organic way to increase housing units, affordability, and density as it wouldn’t change character of many neighborhoods in the way that a mid-rise or high-rise would. A lot of alderman and city officials are examining what sort of specific plans will be implemented in Minneapolis’ 2040 plan; which essentially abolished single family zoning. Such radical change to the existing “snob zoning” ordinance would be difficult to structure but would have a profoundly positive impact to Chicago’s economy. Frankly we are long overdue for a change in our archaic zoning laws.
“long overdue for a change in our archaic zoning laws”
There was a comprehensive revision done in 2004. That one was long overdue–the code had not been comprehensively revised since 1957. The 57 revision was the second significant revision since initial enactment in 1923. Once every 15-20 years seems about right, so, yeah, we are “due” for another meaningful revision, but not yet “overdue”.
If Mendoza gets to implement her horrendously stupid graduated property tax, none of the zoning code will matter much, tho, so we shouldn’t waste breath on it til we have a new mayor.
Mendoza has already backed off the ridiculous real estate tax plan.
That she even suggested such a thing has her on my “must oppose” list. Permanently. For all offices.
“Mendoza has already backed off the ridiculous real estate tax plan.”
At least she is trying to talk about where the money is going to come from. Any ideas from the peanut gallery here? Because no one else running for mayor wants to talk about the reality- that we have a HUGE pension payment coming up and no way to pay it.
That’s the reality awaiting the next mayor. It’s why I supported Rahm twice. At least he “got” it. And he was ruthless about it. Because, unfortunately, we now have to pay the piper that our ancestors left us.
Taxes are going to go up again. On something. But what?
“At least she is trying to talk about where the money is going to come from. Any ideas from the peanut gallery here? Because no one else running for mayor wants to talk about the reality- that we have a HUGE pension payment coming up and no way to pay it.
That’s the reality awaiting the next mayor. It’s why I supported Rahm twice. At least he “got” it. And he was ruthless about it. Because, unfortunately, we now have to pay the piper that our ancestors left us.
Taxes are going to go up again. On something. But what?”
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Hear! Hear!
“Taxes are going to go up again. On something. But what?”
A few guesses:
Gas tax likely; it’s due for an increase. I’m not personally opposed to a commuter tax as suburban taxes should be higher due to the increased per capita infrastructure costs. I’d definitely support a Preckwinkle pop-tax again; that garbage is almost as bad for you as cigarettes. Property transfer tax increase – though they should allocate that money for replacing lead-water lines to houses; the ones that were purposely installed to line the pockets of the plumbing union. We can no longer afford the burden of providing churches and other rich non-profits complete exemption from property taxes. If a nonprofit is rich enough to own prime real estate worth millions, it can pay property taxes like the rest of us However, in all likelihood, they’ll just screw the middle class again by raising residential property taxes; no mayoral candidate will say that but it’s what they’ll likely end up doing.
Or how about we just rip off the bandaid and amend the state constitution to stop this continual theft and figure out where we can cut bloat out of the city budget? If only it were that simple.
“raising residential property taxes”
There is no such thing. Either the aggregate levy assessed to property goes up, or it doesn’t. There is no way, under current IL law, to differentiate between residential and non-residential property taxes.
What would make the pension problem largely go away is a decade of 10% inflation. 10 years of that COLA being a -700 bp rather than than a +200 would really reduce the deficit.
“If a nonprofit is rich enough to own prime real estate worth millions, it can pay property taxes like the rest of us ”
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A lot of places are charging “impact fees” to non-profits to cover basic services like police and fire. I don’t know if Chicago still does it, but until fairly recently Chicago gave churches free water service. No reason why we can’t have impact fees on the universities and churches — not as high as property taxes (e.g., take out Board of Education levies), but enough to keep them from being a dead weight loss.
The federal government should increase gas taxes. Haven’t been increased in a long while, and doing it on a national basis reduces the opportunity for arbitrage.
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Glad to see we can post again. I was being asked to copy a non-existent CAPCHA yesterday.
On a more serious note: Sabrina, I can see the e-mail address of the last poster when I go to add my name and e-mail address for posting. Please check your security/privacy settings. Right now I’m looking at anon (tfo)’s e-mail address.
“I’m looking at anon (tfo)’s e-mail address”
Don’t bother sending anything there; haven’t looked at that account in … 5? … years.
“On a more serious note: Sabrina, I can see the e-mail address of the last poster when I go to add my name and e-mail address for posting. Please check your security/privacy settings. Right now I’m looking at anon (tfo)’s e-mail address.”
Same, I first noticed this when the site rolled over to the new layout. I can see Anon tfo’s email now and I’ve seen a few others in the past (Mike HG and sonies IIRC). At this rate I’m hoping to discover a clue that can point to helmet’s true identity.
” how about we just rip off the bandaid and amend the state constitution”
This. Eliminate pension protection in the State Constitution.
“At least she is trying to talk about where the money is going to come from. Any ideas from the peanut gallery here?”
Gentrification. I’ve believed for 30 years now that the ultimate goal is to force out the low income tax base and replace it with high income tax base. In my short time in this city I’ve seen Belmont and Clark go from punks and freaks to strollers and quant geeks; I’ve witnessed Skid Row transition from into the ‘South Loop’, Maxwell St. (where my father took me a young boy looking for a deal on misc car parts) turn into into $500,000 town homes, Lakeview turn from working class to upper class, Logan Sq grotesquely twist from broke to woke, Irving Park go from crack houses to candlestick victorians, and so on and so on. As people leave the schools are vacating in some areas, and growing in others. The gentrified areas are nice with great landscaping, and the poorer areas are purposely unkempt, so as to encourage people to leave. Eventually, the San Francisization (is that what its called now) of Chicago will be complete. We’re still a ways away from this but once that tipping point is reached, it’s only a matter of time before the tax revenue is cash flow positive, and the majority of the city’s problem have externalized and outsourced to far flung suburbs like North Aurora, Round Lake Beach, Markham and Crystal Lake.
” At this rate I’m hoping to discover a clue that can point to helmet’s true identity.”
He’s Dean Olds.
“This. Eliminate pension protection in the State Constitution.”
Our state, in its infinite wisdom, just elected a super majority democrat in the senate, house and every statewide office. The Rapture will happen before a bill like that ever makes it out of committee or onto the referendum ballot.
As for the soda tax, there truly is karma in the world, as Board President Preckwinkle is in a bit of a pickle herself these days. An unreported $10,000 campaign donation (being meticulously monitored by the FBI) reduced to $5,600 and then not reported at all; and $110k (is that all) in donations stemming from Ed Burke’s fundraising efforts over the years, as a quid pro quo for the $100k a year job for Ed’s profligate degenerate son.
Ed was sending city inspectors to ticket a Burger King for a driveway permit violation, for a driveway permit they had already obtained! He made sure the executive in Houston knew ‘how important’ of a guy he was. As if some Texan really gives two Texas sized cowboy hats about who the heck Ed Burke is, some piddly alderman in nation’s most corrupt city. He may have already known the FBI was in on it all along. Hahaah
“This. Eliminate pension protection in the State Constitution.”
The State Supreme Court has already ruled this unconstitutional, haven’t they? Those pensions cannot be changed. By law.
It’s really irrelevant at this point. They have to be paid. Younger workers already had their pensions changed years ago. The same mistake will not be repeated. If it’s any consolation, Illinois is not alone in this. Check out all the bus drivers getting $100,000 a year pensions in California.
“Gentrification.”
The city HAS gotten richer. But that’s true of every single large and even medium sized city in America. Just go to Oklahoma City, for instance. Even Detroit has gentrified. Lol.
“On a more serious note: Sabrina, I can see the e-mail address of the last poster when I go to add my name and e-mail address for posting. Please check your security/privacy settings. Right now I’m looking at anon (tfo)’s e-mail address.”
I have no idea why this is happening. It’s the same wordpress type of site. If someone knows what I need to do to fix it, please let me know.
I put a new comment form on so maybe that will help.
““This. Eliminate pension protection in the State Constitution.”
The State Supreme Court has already ruled this unconstitutional, haven’t they? Those pensions cannot be changed. By law. ”
The State Supreme Court (which includes Ed Burke’s wife) ruled pensions cannot be altered by law. They can only be reduced by an amendment to the constitution. And I believe (but could be wrong) that you need a constitutional convention or a referendum of the people to actually make that change.
“Dean Olds”
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And your basis is?
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He’s Dean Olds.
Had a great laugh after I googled that name. Might he be the actual “German-born male prostitute” lover?
“I’ve believed for 30 years now that the ultimate goal is to force out the low income tax base and replace it with high income tax base”
That feels like the natural trajectory and as a homeowner I’d like nothing more to see appreciation similar to that of the west coast, but it seems like many alderman and neighborhoods are trying are trying their best to combat gentrification. Whether it’s proposing rent-control (which has been proven to hurt neighborhoods) or affordable housing plans proposed in areas that don’t want it or can’t handle it seem to go sharply against the grain of this urban evolution. I do believe that a more liberal zoning policy to encourage a responsible increase in density is ultimately needed for longer-term economic progress.
What I find most disheartening is the fact that rent control will prevent people trying to move into Chicago from finding desireable apartments; Current tenants won’t move out. Rent control is great for people already in place. It is a nightmare for people trying to move in. Good-bye to any dynamism in Chicago’s business and social scenes.
Rent control at its heart is an entitlement program; it presupposes that people have a right to live in a particular area. That’s absurd. Lots of people would love to own a house in Chicago’s Gold Coast, but can’t afford it – prices there are too high. Do we impose price controls on houses so anyone can buy there? Why should apartments be any different? How does anyone have a “right” to live in particular neighborhood?
One of the slogans I hear bandied about is that “one shouldn’t have to chose between rent and food.” Trouble is, I don’t see how it is the landlord’s duty to pay someone’s grocery bill, which is exactly what that statement means. I don’t see anyone putting price controls on food either. I can only conclude that the people arguing for rent control are simply corporate shills willing to protect multi-billion dollar corporations like the Jewel grocery chain, while hammering much smaller landlords. Call that what it is: predatory behavior.
Gentrification IS disruptive, there’s no doubt about it. That is not necessarily bad. The coercive power of the state should only be used in cases of active harm in my opinion, and not being able to live in a particular place is not an active harm.
Harumph.
“The city HAS gotten richer. But that’s true of every single large and even medium sized city in America. ”
Maybe it’s because Americans have been spending everything they earn on “biggering”. Meanwhile, high debt and no savings has become the norm.
Definitely missing the thumbs up/down option on the site sabrina!
[thumbs up; Sonies at mysterious time]
I wanted to upvote JohnC’s rant on gentrification but there is no way to do it! Also, not sure the subscriptions are working. I’m re-subscribing to this one now.
I’ve made the same arguments that JohnC is making. I think the aldermen don’t want the neighborhoods to change because the new residents may no longer support them and they may lose their thrones.
I’m seeing all kinds of names and associated email addresses when I try to post. I’m sure someone saw my email address too but this has got to get fixed right away, or, else.
And by else, I mean Anon(tfo)’s gonna host the first annual Cribchatter summer BBQ at his place, because we’re all gonna be outted by cribchatter itself.
It think it has something to do with the ‘save my name, email…” box being automatically checked
Well, at least subscriptions are working.
Why can’t I see anyone’s email address?
WHAT!!! This is insane! I tried posting as myself, homedelete, and instead it posted as Madeline! I swear I’m not trying to impersonate you! The names in the field were for Gary Lucido…I changed them to homedelete, let’s see if it posts as Gary! crossing my fingers!
You wish you were me.
Per Gary:
Well, at least subscriptions are working.
Why can’t I see anyone’s email address?
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Didn’t want to have to tell you, Gary, but it’s your breath.
johnc
“Definitely missing the thumbs up/down option on the site sabrina!”
Sorry. WordPress went to a whole new format for the first time in like 15 years (maybe forever.) The thumbs up/down was interfering in actually writing the blog post. It was written for the old format. I had to disable it.
I’ll try and remember to reactivate it after I finish the post.
I also have no idea how to fix the comments form which isn’t working correctly. It could be written into the new theme template.
Sabrina,
Yeah, this new WordPress 5.0 really sucks. Maybe you’ve already figured this out (I see that you reverted to the old style comments) but there is a plugin for restoring the old editor. It’s called Classic Editor.
Also, if you want to use the new editor your theme controls how the editor appears/ works. For most people the new editor is too narrow until you adjust your theme.
People hate this thing. it’s a disaster.
testing
It has nothing to do with the “editor.” The platform is wordpress. It controls the editor.
Guttenberg looks no different than the old editor. You just write in blocks and it gives you more features to put in images and headers. It has nothing to do with it being “too narrow” until you adjust your theme. I’ve used it on both the new theme and this old theme that is 10 years old and it looks the same.
I see that Classic Editor is just for those who can’t adjust to Guttenberg. If you’ve been blogging for 10 years it IS rather shocking to suddenly have the blocks.
But it took me, um, a day to “learn” it and I can see the advantages. CribChatter doesn’t normally have multiple headings or lists on the posts so it’s not really useful to me (posts like “5 Best Deals in Chicago Real Estate Right Now”- with a list, with a picture, of each property).
I installed it so I don’t have to think about the block method. But it’s not going to solve the comments form issue which has nothing to do with the new Guttenberg platform.
I deactivated the “subscribe to comments” plugin and none of the other subscription plugins have been tested on this version of WordPress. So I’ll keep that off the site, for now.
Let me know if the addresses in the comment form continue though.
Ugh.
Well, you seem to be lucky. Check out this comment thread I started. Numerous people far geekier than me are having the same width issue. https://wordpress.org/support/topic/new-editor-window-way-too-narrow/
Thanks for the link Gary. Lol.
Yeah- it’s pretty crazy that they wrote it and then blame all the themes for not being compatible. Of course they aren’t! There IS a reason over a million people have downloaded that classic editor plug-in.
Themes need to be written with Guttenberg specifically and buyers should be told whether or not it supports that.
I noticed that he scolded you for not understanding that the world is going mobile. Lol! He might as well have come out and said, “desktop sites are worthless since everyone is on their phones. You are old.” Lol!
“I noticed that he scolded you for not understanding that the world is going mobile. ”
The world is going mobile with their android phones with the cracked screens on their prepaid mobile plans.
Lincoln Park is very suburbanized now. People in Highland Park and Deerfield are seeing no appreciation. Companies are fleeing Deerfield to come downtown. The Sheffield Garden Walk is now totally lame as a party scene.
It’s interesting that the Feds had “bugged” Alderman Burke’s phone for EIGHT MONTHS(!) before they finally got him. This is actually somewhat scary, as it shows that someone in the Deep State had literally targeted him for removal. Keep in mind, that should that process be applied to anyone in Chicago or IL politics, anone could be found guilty at some point. They already got JB on tape as being a racist, though it apparently doesn’t matter in IL, a racist can occupy the highest office in the state.
Why didn’t the Feds go after Madigan in the same way? He operates the RE Tax appeal scam too. Somebody wanted Burke gone.
So, now Hispanics racists are openly celebrating that the ward will now be occupied by an Ocasio-Cortez type racist, socialist, and higher-taxes type. Oh well, Burke and Madigan supported “sanctuary” policies so I guess it’s fitting they will eventually be taken down, just like Joe Crowley (the idiot baby-boomer liberal fart) was in Queens, NY. You see these moronic anti-white Baby boomer white liberals, and it’s only fitting to see them devoured by the anti-white racists they created and coddled. Survival of the fittest and the white liberals are not fit, and soon to be expelled from leading the Democrat Party and all their pet causes. Serves the white sh!tlibs right.
Gotta admit, I like Ocasio-Cortez so much better than Pelosi and any traitior white liberal. At least you can see Ocascio-Cortez coming and what she stands for, with white liberals, they’ll stab you in the back undercover when you were trusting of them.
“someone in the Deep State had literally targeted [Burke]”
Go back to your fever swamp, Hof.
Just had Nonny’s name and email in the box, so not fixed.
“Keep in mind, that should that process be applied to anyone in Chicago or IL politics, anone could be found guilty at some point.”
You mean like our former governors and the former Speaker of the House of Representatives who have been and are sitting in jail?
Yet another comment from someone who doesn’t live in this state who thinks they know what is going on.
“The world is going mobile with their android phones with the cracked screens on their prepaid mobile plans.”
It doesn’t matter what they are using, does it?
Not everyone is rich and buying a $1000 iPhone.
Millions of Indians in India are on $20 smartphones that just do basic functions. It has opened up the world to them and has changed their lives. They can now communicate cheaply with relatives in other cities through things like WhatsApp, buy goods on apps using app pay systems like Alipay as they never had a credit card and even work for ride sharing companies etc.
Nearly 50% of internet searches are now done on mobile phones.
Haha, all you Trump-hating anti-white racists…
Your Zionist Jew racist is not a shred more honest…”Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss…” LOL!!! Democrat crooks. Let’s see the late night talk show Jews bring up this:
“The new governor, though, has declined to release personal income tax returns that could shed light on his financial holdings, providing only the first two pages of the returns. He has declined to release the tax returns for any of his trusts, including PG Byk — a domestic trust in which he is the sole beneficiary and that financed his successful run for governor.”
“Your Zionist Jew racist”
Jared and Ivanka are not mine. They are yours, Hof.
The Zionist in Chief in the USA sits in the White House–doing the bidding of Bibi and Sheldon Adelson.
Oh, and of Putin, too, of course.
The fake billionaire working for the real billionaires.
I tell ya what I bought a cheap smart phone because I was sick of getting raped by the cost (samsung J3) and its a total piece of shit. my wife also got a cheap phone, Asus Zen Phone V or somecrap and it is also a total piece of shit… very frustrating I have to shell out 800 bucks each to get a phone that actually works and does what you need it to (basic stuff here) but I’m just gonna suck it up and use it less, probably a good thing
“Just had Nonny’s name and email in the box, so not fixed.”
I still can’t see any stray names but my page shows some posts being pre-thumbed. I don’t think I’ve thumbed anything since clio was around.
“I have to shell out 800 bucks each to get a phone that actually works and does what you need it to (basic stuff here)”
I bought an iPhone SE for $150 off ebay (allegedly new, definitely pristine) as a backup and it works great. I don’t follow android but I gotta think there’s a good one for $300 or so. Maybe an essential phone or a oneplus.
I tell you, I take extended breaks from cc, and I return only to find half a dozen inflammatory posts from Helmethofer. I’ve been around the internet on every major site (I read both sides) and back again, even to obscure sites with few comments (pro publica or american thinker) and it’s like, wow, I never, and I swear, I never see comments like HH anywhere, not even on supposedly far right ‘racist’ sites like breitbart (Which is not what most people think it is) to far left wing sites bolshvik sites like mother jones (the brietbart of the left). There’s whackos everywhere but I don’t know why HH has to keep coming back here of all places with this literally, some of the most inflamatory stuff on the internet. I just don’t get it. I really don’t.
Not sure if I’ve been shadow banned or what not but my posts don’t go through anymore….
“There’s whackos everywhere but I don’t know why HH has to keep coming back here of all places with this literally, some of the most inflamatory stuff on the internet. I just don’t get it. I really don’t.”
I’m with you HD. He never talks about real estate. I don’t get it. Why come to this site then? And, to make matters worse, he doesn’t even live in Chicago. So bizarre.
“Not sure if I’ve been shadow banned or what not but my posts don’t go through anymore….”
No shadow banning HD. Not sure why they’re not going through. They’re not showing up as “pending” or as spam on my dashboard.
“And, to make matters worse, he doesn’t even live in Chicago.”
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I haven’t been on the site that long, so I neither know nor care, but how do you know that helmet the nutjob doesn’t live in/around Chicago?
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“I’m with you HD. He never talks about real estate. I don’t get it. Why come to this site then? And, to make matters worse, he doesn’t even live in Chicago. So bizarre.”
It is really bizarre that some crazy nazi guy show up to a Chicago real estate blog and goes inflammatory crazy. Maybe others don’t agree with me, but I just don’t see crazy comments like his anywhere else on the internet. Like literally nowhere else I’ve seen both left and right do I ever find any comments like his so consistently just whacky. People say all kind of racist and inflammatory stuff all over the internet but nothing I see anywhere is quite the inflammatory brand he trolls here. It literally makes no sense. The only explanation I have is that he’s a russian in st peterburg trying to stir things up for 12 rubles an hour. Otherwise, it makes no sense.
“Otherwise, it makes no sense.”
Some dull-normals think it is fun to “trigger” the “libtards”.
Hof’s posts are basically a parody of what the dull-normal tinfoil-hat set thinks is most inflammatory.
Trolling isn’t supposed to make any sense, it’s just supposed to illicit a strong reaction.
apparently homedelete has never heard of 4chan’s /pol/ before… there’s thousands of morons just like helmet on there
“Hof’s posts are basically a parody of what the dull-normal tinfoil-hat set thinks is most inflammatory. ”
I disagree, there are places to troll, and there is trolling all over. The Hill dot com exists solely for tens of thousands of people to shout past each other and occasionally some bad stuff gets through the moderators. But HH’s ‘trolling’ is unlike anything I’ve ever seen, anywhere. His comments are not common at all anywhere I’ve seen in my 23 years now of being on the interwebs. He is actually posting really inflammatory comments (over and over again, like OCD) but I don’t know what dark corners of the internet this stuff comes from, because it’s not even bleeding over into the semi-mainstream websites. Even fake news king infowars doesn’t have comments as crazy and hateful as HH’s, and there’s some truly crazy stuff there. Sure, there’s racism and hate everywhere (the comment section of NYT is mostly comments from subscribers wishing that all old white people in flyover states would just die already) but that hate is mainstream. HH’s posts are entirely different kind, probably the only place I could think posts like that would be routine is stormfront or something. But the craziest part, is that he’s doing this on a chicago real estate website with probably no more than a few hundred active readers any given day, and no more than a few thousand in a month (assuming a 100:1 visitor to comment ratio). now i’m just rambling on, it seems that HH’s comments are just tolerated because Sabrina can’t ban him, but his comments are truly, truly fringe type stuff, that is not found anywhere else on the main stream web.
I’ve been around 4chan a bit, it’s not nearly as bad as HH’s stuff, in my opinion at least. And 4chan is not anything close to the mainstream or even anywhere near it. It’s about as far out there as you can go short of the dark web.
“4chan”
C’mon, HD, the real freaks moved on to 8chan years ago:
https://splinternews.com/meet-the-man-keeping-8chan-the-worlds-most-vile-websit-1793856249
So basically what you’re saying is that HH goes back and forth between cribchatter and 8chan posting vile inflammatory stuff. Why would anyone do that? He’s not trolling ‘libtards’ – head over to the hill dot com to see 10,000 trolling comments an hour per thread; he’s just insane.
“it seems that HH’s comments are just tolerated because Sabrina can’t ban him, but his comments are truly, truly fringe type stuff, that is not found anywhere else on the main stream web.”
He actually has only posted here once in the last year until the comments this week, so he must be off hating somewhere else (or, gasp, too busy at his job to post here routinely anymore.)
He used to actually post on the properties (or at least try) before he launched into his diatribes. Nowadays, he just comes here, posts some crazy diatribe, and then goes away again.
The hate is really disturbing. It’s equal opportunity though: he hates on everyone except white men. But at least he’s consistent.
Imagine going through life like that? What an awful way to spend your time on this planet.
“Trolling isn’t supposed to make any sense, it’s just supposed to illicit a strong reaction.”
Agreed. But he’s not on this site enough in recent years to even see the “strong reaction.” So why do it?
“The only explanation I have is that he’s a russian in st peterburg trying to stir things up for 12 rubles an hour. Otherwise, it makes no sense.”
For ten years? People forget that HH (aka Dan) has been on this site a loooong time.
“For ten years? People forget that HH (aka Dan) has been on this site a loooong time.”
I’m joking, calling someone a Russian is a major troll move these day on the internet. DOn’t like what someone says? Call them ‘Ivan’ in St. Petersburg…
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“It’s equal opportunity though: he hates on everyone except white men. ”
He hates white men too – only liberal and/or jewish ones though.
“He hates white men too – only liberal and/or jewish ones though.”
And tehgayz. He really hates tehgayz.
“And tehgayz. He really hates tehgayz.”
Other than the handful of log cabin republicans, thegayz are generally a subset of and included in the liberal constituency of my comment.
But he hates tehgayz not bc of their librulness, but bc of their gayness, ans his self-loathing.