Market Conditions: October Sales Decline YOY But Still 2nd Hottest Since 2006
The October sales numbers are out from the Illinois Association of Realtors and the market continues to remain strong, with the second highest October sales since 2006.
In the city of Chicago, home sales (single-family and condominiums) in October 2021 totaled 2,417 homes sold, down 5.9 percent from October 2020 sales of 2,568 homes.
The median price of a home in Chicago in October 2021 was $312,000, down 1.0 percent compared to October 2020 when it was $315,000.
Thanks to G for all the data on October sales going back to 1997:
October Chicago sfh/condo/th sales and median
- 1997 1,731 $129,900
- 1998 1,855 $138,000
- 1999 1,978 $159,500
- 2000 2,106 $174,710
- 2001 2,177 $200,000
- 2002 2,503 $215,000
- 2003 2,996 $236,000
- 2004 2,651 $241,000
- 2005 2,846 $268,500
- 2006 2,630 $278,000
- 2007 2,007 $285,000
- 2008 1,564 $261,000
- 2009 2,068 $215,000
- 2010 1,225 $183,000
- 2011 1,324 $162,000 (44% short/REO sales)
- 2012 2,009 $175,000
- 2013: 2,231 $218,500
- 2014: 2,128 $236,000
- 2015: 2,173 $240,000
- 2016: 2,046 $260,100
- 2017: 2,109 $260,000
- 2018: 2,108 $271,500
- 2019: 2,084 $275,000
- 2020: 2,568 $315,000
- 2021: 2,417 $312,000
“Real estate has always had an element of seasonality, and that’s what the data reflects from October: seasonality coming back into play after so much pent-up demand over the past year and a half,” said Antje Gehrken, president of the Chicago Association of REALTORS® and president and designated managing broker of A.R.E. Partners. “The market remains relatively strong and healthy, even compared to before the pandemic, despite concerns about continued inventory strain.”
The average days on the market declined statewide to 28 days from 43 days last year.
While average days on the market in Chicago actually rose 2.9% to 35 days from 34 days last year.
Statewide, and in City of Chicago, inventory plunged year-over-year.
Statewide, home inventory fell 28.7% to 29,456 from 41,320 properties. In Chicago, it fell 25.1% to 8,315 from 11,099 properties last year. In October 2019, it was 10,138 properties.
The Chicago sales mix continued to favor condos. Of total sales, 1,426 were condos and 991 were single family homes.
Single family homes fell 12.8% year-over-year and, for the first time in a year, condo sales also fell year-over-year, down 0.3%.
The average 30 year mortgage rose to 3.07% in the month, up from 2.9% in September and also up from 2.83% last year.
Low inventory appears to be pressuring prices statewide.
“Again, this month the market exhibits positive growth in prices combined with a decline in the number of sales,” said Dr. Daniel McMillen, head of the Stuart Handler Department of Real Estate at the University of Illinois at Chicago College of Business Administration. “Surveys provide mixed evidence on consumer sentiment, with some indicating an increase this month in consumer confidence in the economy and others indicating a decrease. Prices are expected to continue to increase for the next three months while the number of sales is expected to decrease again.”
The winter has historically been the “slow” months for the housing market, except last year, in 2020, due to pandemic buying.
Will this be the second year in a row that there is no real seasonal slowdown in sales?
Illinois homes continue to sell quickly in October [Illinois Association of Realtors, Press Release by Bill Kozar, November 22, 2021]
There are three penthouses available in Aqua that have all been sitting for a very long time. Why isn’t anyone buying these?
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/225-N-Columbus-Dr-60601/unit-8106/home/52638201
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/225-N-Columbus-Dr-60601/unit-7805/home/52638186
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/225-N-Columbus-Dr-UNIT-8006-Chicago-IL-60601/121070550_zpid/
Lots of competition with “new” buildings now Stacy.
Vista has great views and all the finishes are updated and what buyers want right now. Aqua is now considered to be “old.”
Additionally, just citywide, there is a lot of luxury inventory.
That first Aqua condo is priced at $1400 PSF LOL. Be the envy of your lower floor neighbors living in their 8ft popcorn ceiling apartment rental units.
Fun fact. Leo Radvinsky (billionaire and majority owner of OnlyFans) used to live in Aqua.
“There are three penthouses available in Aqua that have all been sitting for a very long time. Why isn’t anyone buying these?”
They’re Horrible and grossly overpriced
“Leo Radvinsky … used to live in Aqua.”
For a guy who “used to” live there, he sure appears to still own a lot of units there.
I’m gonna quote myself from the last time we chattered about the Aqua:
I have been underwhelmed by the units I’ve seen at the aqua. It appears that most of the expense went into the exterior. That’s super for people who live in buildings that have a view of the aqua, but not so great for people who actually live in the aqua.
https://cribchatter.com/?p=24906#comment-482547
The number of units sold went down and the median price went down too. Plus, interest rates may finally be headed higher. These are all signs of a weak housing market. Why buy in Chicago where the expected return is low when you can buy in booming Austin, Nashville, Seattle, Denver, Miami, Charlotte, Tampa / St Pete, Phoenix, etc.
Chicago is not a good housing choice when property tax increases eat into your future price gains, crime is completely out of control, the schools suck / are closed, the weather sucks, and politicians are still imposing Covid restrictions which are doing nothing to slow the spread.
H8er
“The number of units sold went down and the median price went down too. Plus, interest rates may finally be headed higher. These are all signs of a weak housing market.”
It is?
If you have a record high on the stock market and it declines 1%, is that a sign of a “weak” stock market?
Lol.
Come on bears. Do better than THAT argument.
“Why buy in Chicago where the expected return is low when you can buy in booming Austin, Nashville, Seattle, Denver, Miami, Charlotte, Tampa / St Pete, Phoenix, etc.”
Because you just got an amazing job at Vizient or James Hardie, where they want you in the office 2 days a week (don’t know if they DO want that) so you are making your home, and living, in Chicago.
Chicago has the jobs, dude. Tampa/St Pete? Come on. It’s not even close.
“If you have a record high on the stock market and it declines 1%, is that a sign of a “weak” stock market?”
False equivalency. Interest Rate Policy doesn’t change on a dime through a single headline or report like the market can. The components of the stock market are also weighted based on the size of each company within the indices meaning one or two companies can overly influence the direction of that index which may be unrelated to the health of the remaining stocks within the same index.
To have such a cavalier dismissive attitude on the relationship between interest rate policy, mortgage rates, and thus the housing market is wow.
“To have such a cavalier dismissive attitude on the relationship between interest rate policy, mortgage rates, and thus the housing market is wow.”
You are insane WP. In October, which is the month we are discussing, there was NO CHANGE IN INTEREST RATE POLICY.
Yes, rates did go up slightly compared to the year before. Oh no! The horror.
That must be why the sales were the second highest in 15 years.
Please, try to make a sane argument about real estate. Someone, please. Please save us from the bears and their dumb comments.
I have said for weeks that when rates rise, probably close to 3.5% and certainly when they approach 4%, it will definitely slow the Chicago housing market (and national one too.) How do we know? BECAUSE THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN 2017.
Come on.
At least come up with some good arguments about why the housing market is going to crash and everyone is stupid for buying a house right now.
“You are insane WP. In October, which is the month we are discussing, there was NO CHANGE IN INTEREST RATE POLICY.”
Explain why the FED announced Tapering November 1….. Was it because of the continued inflation spikes?
“Yes, rates did go up slightly compared to the year before. Oh no! The horror.”
We are talking about where rates will go over the next 12 – 24 months. They don’t appear to be going lower.
“At least come up with some good arguments about why the housing market is going to crash and everyone is stupid for buying a house right now.”
Where did I say housing was going to crash?
I don’t post often but what is the deal with these bears? Are homes not to be lived in? Are they only an asset for appreciation. I just upsized in the city, mainly because I’m not some scared suburbanite watching fox news.
“I don’t post often but what is the deal with these bears? Are homes not to be lived in?”
The city is doomed Stephen. Why would anyone ever live in one?
The bears have been saying this for, literally, 13 years now. Meanwhile, Wolf Point has been completely developed, one of the 50 tallest all residential buildings in the world has been built, thousands of new apartments have been built, an entirely new commercial and residential neighborhood has sprung up and they have begun construction on another one that will cost several billion to build out.
But Chicago is doomed and its real estate is doomed too.
“But Chicago is doomed”
“Too scared to go out with your phone” is pretty doom-y.
There’s more than (strawman) “DOOM!” and “Hooray! Everything rocks!”, but CC is pretty much all black and white.
“Too scared to go out with your phone” is pretty doom-y.”
No…it’s not. It’s the reality.
Crime is NOT the bears “it’s doomed” case. Their argument has always been “Chicago and Illinois suck. The state is broke. There are no jobs here and the weather sucks.”
That has nothing to do with the crime.
Oh, and that crime is BAD in all of those other “hot” cities and towns too. Go figure.
Wait- we’re in a pandemic- that could be why.
But otherwise, I haven’t heard any bear with an argument about why Chicago’s real estate market is going to crash except for Bob who thought that everyone in forbearance would be foreclosed on, which isn’t going to happen. At least he put an actual economic argument out there instead of just the endless “hate, hate, hate” by all the other bears on this site.
The city WASN’T doomed by the pandemic. No city has been. Worldwide. Hooray!
American cities are 2/3rds of the country’s GDP. We WANT them to be strong, dynamic and drive innovation.
Oh, and downtown real estate market is STILL struggling. A lot of people have made decisions about where they want to live thanks to the pandemic.
There is still a lot of turnover downtown in older units by older owners. It appears that the desire to retire to warmer weather is still ongoing. Lots of “original condition” units on the market in many buildings. Older Baby Boomers are on the move.
All of this inventory has to come off of the market.
Also, people want different space. If you can’t give them that office, or a balcony, then you are still at a disadvantage.
Inventory is down citywide, even downtown. But downtown has the most. It’s reflected in the prices there.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming spring market. Mortgage rates could be higher. Prices, unless you’re downtown, are mostly higher. Sales should slow from this red-hot pace as mortgage rates rise.
Also, if the crime surge continues into next year, buyers may start to make different decisions.
Buyers may want to be in that building with a doorman. They may want to have garage parking which is more secure than just a space out back. Single family homes may be “out” and family size condos “in.”
After the Great Depression, crime soared in the city. It’s when the rich families like the Wrigleys bought their homes on the North Shore and left the city. Crime is up in the suburbs now too, however. Not sure the crime surge will turn off buyers.
“ Crime is NOT the bears “it’s doomed” case. Their argument has always been “Chicago and Illinois suck. The state is broke. There are no jobs here and the weather sucks.”
You forgot the schools suck (unless you win the lottery)
“ Wait- we’re in a pandemic- that could be why.”
Could be but it’s not
“ At least he put an actual economic argument out there instead of just the endless “hate, hate, hate” by all the other bears on this site.”
Drinking 2 boxes of wine can make one forgetful
“Crime is NOT the bears “it’s doomed” case.”
You can’t allow for it to be, when you are personally scared. Because if crime is a meaningful part of the “case”, then you can’t treat it like a crackpot theory.
Crime IS part of the “bear” case as stated on the CC (such as it is).
““hate, hate, hate” by all the other bears”
Who are the bears?
Dan-Hof (certainly Hate-filled).
HD (never quite sure if he’s replaced himself with a FB re-poster bot). Bobbo (who is always partly talking his book which is “short” RE)
“Who are the bears?”
HH
HD
WP
Bob the Bear
The one dude who moved to Florida last year- forget his name
KK (sometimes)
Basically, whomever isn’t posting anything when I do the Market Conditions post as the sales continue to rise and demand remains strong.
“You forgot the schools suck (unless you win the lottery)”
Again, JohnnyU doesn’t live in Chicago and hasn’t for decades.
He doesn’t know a damn thing.
Schools are good. Even beyond the lottery schools. Schools are NOT the problem. Are they all 5 stars? No. But we have the third largest school district in the country with something like 500,000 students. The same is true of suburban high schools. They are all not New Trier.
My kids attended Chicago public schools and had a great time. No, they didn’t go to Walter Payton. Again, plenty of great high schools.
If “the schools” are your only argument you are about 25 years too late and completely living in the past.
Again, I challenge any of the bears to actually make a coherent argument about why Chicago’s housing market is doomed and going to crash. Because, other than Bob, no one has bothered to try from their suburban homes in other states.
And there are plenty of other arguments. Here, I’ll give you one: mortgage rates quickly rise above 4% to 4.5% or 5% as the Fed has to squash inflation.
What happens at 5%?
A LOT.
But no one here has the ability to talk about the housing market as a market. It’s all emotional arguments that are meaningless.
You all “hate” the city so therefore it is doomed. But you’ve been wrong for 13 years. Heck, the bears were even wrong during the bust. Prices never went as low as predicted by Homedelete and Bob on this site.
“ Wait- we’re in a pandemic- that could be why.”
“Could be but it’s not”
So you’re an expert on crime now JohnnyU? In addition to your vast knowledge of Chicago public schools and the housing market of a city you don’t live in and haven’t for decades?
Sure Jan.
Is expecting Chicago to underperform every other market considered bearish? An eventual flat state tax increase (since progressive tax failed) combined with higher eventual interest rates should give Chicago a stagnant, lower than inflation performance. The stock market is going to revert to historical performance levels and pensions will look nasty once again within a few years.
“we have the third largest school district in the country with something like 500,000 students”
Is 330,411 (actual 20th day count from this year) really “something like” 500,000?
It hasn’t been *anything* like 500,000 for decades. 05-06 is oldest on CPS site–count was 420,905.
At 330k, CPS is no better than 4th (Miami-Dade) and could be 6th (Vegas/Clark and if you count Puerto Rico).
” But we have the third largest school district in the country with something like 500,000 students”
LOL. try 330K. Down a whopping 25K since the pandemic started and over 70K in 10 years. CPS must be going great…..
“If “the schools” are your only argument you are about 25 years too late and completely living in the past.”
Yet CTU strikes every couple of years now and threatens to strike every other month since schools re-opened from Covid.
“Again, I challenge any of the bears to actually make a coherent argument about why Chicago’s housing market is doomed and going to crash”
Good lord no one said it was going to crash. It’s just not as good as try and make it out to be… well unless you are rich.
” mortgage rates quickly rise above 4% to 4.5% or 5% as the Fed has to squash inflation.”
Which is what was brought up earlier in this thread. The market continues to push up when it believes rate hikes will start occurring. Now expected to start in June. Powell is jawboning that the FED may look to accelerate the taper.
NAR’s chief economist is predicting rates to rise to 3.7% “in the coming months”.
“You all “hate” the city so therefore it is doomed”
I don’t think anyone has said that except for HD.
Lincoln Square man was killed by an armed robber, police say (Video)
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/12/lincoln-square-man-was-killed-by-an-armed-robber-police-say-video.html
How many murders of innocents will it take before people realize the city is unsafe? This poor old man was just going out to his car unaware that his life would end 40 second later after being shot by a violent predator.
I hear, “Crime is everywhere” and this is true, but this level of depravity is causing fear in the hearts and souls of every north side resident.
“Is expecting Chicago to underperform every other market considered bearish”
THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!!
“An eventual flat state tax increase (since progressive tax failed”
Or you try for another progressive tax and set the bracket higher $1 million and above? The $250K threshold for joint filers was a politically stupid number when you need to run up the vote count in the City to pass it.
I’m hard pressed to think the State will raise a flat tax unless the personal exemption/deduction thresholds are materially raised offsetting tax increases on people making <$100K.
“You all “hate” the city so therefore it is doomed”
I don’t think anyone has said that except for HD.
I never said I hate the city, I lived in the city for almost 30 years of my life. Chicago was a great city. My family has lived in Chicago since my at least my great-great-great grandmother got off the boat in the mid 1800’s. My great-great-grandmother was born in Chicago in 1883 and died in 1956. Her funeral service was at a now long gone funeral home on the west side near our ancestral home. There’s been at least one of my family members, myself included, living continuously within the city limits for 140 years.
I hate what happened to the city. I hate that smug arrogant elite progressives decided they could ignore millennia of wisdom on how to govern the *polis*, because ‘social justice’ or some other asinine reason, and they have unleashed a real and actual crime wave. This is not some Fox News conspiracy theory. It’s back up by data and statistics.
But hey, no more bad tweets from the orange man, that’s a positive I supposed, but on the other hand, Cook County is approaching a record number of murders.
Hold on here, I am not a bear. I have lived in Chicago long enough to know that RE always goes up long term, and primarily it’s according to inflation.
Where I have become a bear is on a relative scale. I remember when prices per sf for places like Seattle or Inner Loop 610 (Houston) or Denver were about 60% of GZ prices. Same also went for suburbs of these cities. No longer. Even Phoenix is almost equal to Chicago.
So, look at other metro areas and see how they have outperformed Chicago on a relative basis, and the bears are correct.
I still like Chicago, it’s way better than some no place like Nashville or Tampa. What has really doomed Chicago is the non-white immigration and the whites’ inculcation of all the disastrous jewish Sixties cultural anti-movements: abortion, contraception, feminism, LGBT, drugs, porn, anti-family, anti-Christianity, lack of morals, rescuing dogs, etc.
You cannot have a thriving city that is only 30% white. And even moreso when 70%-80% of the whites are doomed to these deleterious shitlib Sixities failed ideologies and pathologies, etc. Good luck producing Fortune 500 companies like Chicago once had in the 20th century. It is not The City that Works anymore. No place in America is, but FL and TX are trying to hang on.
“So, look at other metro areas and see how they have outperformed Chicago on a relative basis, and the bears are correct.”
That is irrelevant to the analysis. Real estate is local.
“Good luck producing Fortune 500 companies like Chicago once had in the 20th century. It is not The City that Works anymore. No place in America is, but FL and TX are trying to hang on.”
It’s hilarious that the racist HH is touting FL and TX, which are even MORE diverse than Illinois, as the places that are “hanging on.”
And HH, get into this century. Still dreaming of the 20th century 21 years into the next century?
Pathetic.
Everything you spout is irrelevant to modern America.
“The $250K threshold for joint filers was a politically stupid number when you need to run up the vote count in the City to pass it.”
Yeah, duh!
“I’m hard pressed to think the State will raise a flat tax unless the personal exemption/deduction thresholds are materially raised offsetting tax increases on people making <$100K."
I'd think it's probably 0% on the first $40-50k…thinking about it, you exempt up to "2,000(aka FTE) x state minimum wage" to both partly index it and provide some incentive for supporting increases in minimum.
The right answer is the (1) apply income tax to retirement income (with an exemption like above) and (2) apply sales tax to services. And I'd impose a scaled surtax on income (and sales, probably) that's at different rates depending on prior year pension deficit–so it can be zero if we get the deficit to $XX–and reduce the base income (and sales) tax rate–a variation on the Al Gore "lockbox" (which was never a lockbox).
“This poor old man”
“Park, 59”
Dude, you aren’t a zoomer. Calm down on the “old”, old man.
“But hey, no more bad tweets from the orange man, that’s a positive I supposed, but on the other hand, Cook County is approaching a record number of murders.”
Trump was going to end all crime, remember? He said he could stop it within a week. Instead, it DID get worse during his administration. So much so, that the DOJ sent in help. But maybe you just forgot about that part.
Are the Feds still here? No one talks about it but I hope they are. Or they may need to come back. But the Feds are going to have to be sent to a couple dozen cities at the rate things are going.
Oh, and it’s pretty pathetic that the party that gave out the largest corporate tax cuts in history is now talking about inequality and “elite progressives.” Hilarious.
“this level of depravity is causing fear in the hearts and souls of every north side resident”
Again, speak for yourself, old man. No fear in my heart, nor my soul.
“Are the Feds still here? No one talks about it but I hope they are. ”
What. The. F***.???
You cannot actually live here, pay attention to *anything* and ask that question.
Just so no one is guessing:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-chicago-gun-violence-gang-racketeering-cases-changing-20211129-hougln2idzhxpgfkpljdqt6xui-story.html
“How many murders of innocents will it take before people realize the city is unsafe?”
WTF Homedelete. Yes!!!!
I have been saying this for the past few weeks. It is NOT safe right now. Ditto in the suburbs. Random burglaries, carjackings and all of the fun stuff in the suburbs too.
If you think you’re “safe” in Long Grove, Naperville, or Lake Forest you are nuts. When will you realize you aren’t “safe” either???
Gosh, why do you think this is happening? We haven’t had a pandemic for the last 18 months with people not working, not going to school, not seeing friends and family and isolated, have we?
Oh, and nearly a million people dead.
You can post these videos every day. Social norms have broken down.
This video is tragic. I hope the police make some arrests but they’re going to need the public’s help.
“LOL. try 330K. Down a whopping 25K since the pandemic started and over 70K in 10 years. CPS must be going great…..”
What kind of asinine comment is this?
Who the fuck cares if the numbers are “down”? We are STILL one of the largest school districts in the entire country with hundreds of thousands of students.
Just stop or I’ll start deleting your comments WP. I’m really over it now.
“Which is what was brought up earlier in this thread. The market continues to push up when it believes rate hikes will start occurring. Now expected to start in June. Powell is jawboning that the FED may look to accelerate the taper.”
Again, someone PLEASE send me a commenter on this site who knows SOMETHING about the housing market, the economy and what is happening out there.
PLEASE.
I beg you.
Yes, even Bob the Bear actually “gets” the economics of it even though he’s been wrong about it all for over a decade. But at least he is consistent and actually trying to make a real argument.
If the rest of you weren’t clueless, you’d know that inflation is rising rapidly and that Powell has now declared it NOT “transitory.”
Gosh- what does that mean?
They will NOT be raising rates in June, WP. Come on. Do you think about anything on your own? My god.
NO. They will be raising much sooner, just as Powell has already said they will be tapering quicker. Might not be done with the taper until March, and unlikely to start raising just as they are finishing the taper, UNLESS the inflation is really just too hot and then they will have no choice. Likely will do it by May- at the latest.
Get with the program.
The bond vigilantes will push the 10 year up well before that. And since the Central Bank hasn’t dealt with true inflation in over 20 years, who the hell knows what is going to happen? What if the Fed has to raise quicker and more aggressively? What if we suddenly go to 4% by early next spring on mortgage rates, or higher? This will not be the steady increases like we saw the last time the Fed was raising. Back then, they didn’t have a pandemic or inflation. The last rate rising environment was incredibly easy.
This is what I mean. No one on this site has ANY idea what is going on out there in the economy. And unless you know that, you have NO clue what is going to happen with the housing market, either in Chicago or nationwide.
Please, doesn’t ANYONE have any real views instead of the drivel you find on the internet? Can’t anyone here think for themselves about what might cause a shake-up in Chicago’s red-hot housing market?
“What kind of asinine comment is this?”
Why can’t you just say “huh. Didn’t know that” EVER?
You were wrong about 500,000. Like over 25+ years out of date on that number.
“Is expecting Chicago to underperform every other market considered bearish?”
“Other markets” is irrelevant to a homeowner. They LIVE there.
Doesn’t ANYONE LIVE in their homes on this site? My god.
Chicago has “underperformed” for the last 10 years. LMFAO. It doesn’t change people’s decisions about buying as sales are at 15 year highs and they are building a half a dozen luxury condo towers.
All the bears are just confirming they are bears.
Lol.
“You’re either the third largest or you’re not.”
CPS is not. Miami-Dade claims 334,000 students, which is more than 330,000.
Either you are or you aren’t.
By the way, the delta outbreak is now here in Illinois.
Pardon me for being harsh on this site tonight, but I just heard about 8 close friends and family who have tested positive for COVID in the last 24 hours. Not all of them are vaccinated.
Illinois processed 250,000 COVID tests yesterday, an all-time record. 11,000 positives. We last had that many positives in December of last year with a COVID variant that wasn’t nearly as transmissible. The Delta is everywhere and it will get worse. We are several weeks behind Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin, where they don’t have room and are delaying elective procedures again.
We all went to Thanksgiving at friends and family’s homes, hung out indoors, and now it’s spreading like wildfire.
Indiana warned today that hospitalizations would reach a new record this winter.
Get vaccinated. Get the booster. The booster boosts your immunity within just a day.
“CPS is not. Miami-Dade claims 334,000 students, which is more than 330,000.”
I guess Wikipedia is wrong with it’s huge headline about Chicago being the third largest school district in the country then. And the media gets it wrong, their fact checkers must be missing it, when they say “third largest school district in the country” in their headlines and articles.
What a small man you are, anon(tfo).
“Why can’t you just say “huh. Didn’t know that” EVER?”
What does it declining have ANYTHING to do with it being the third largest in the country? It has absolutely NOTHING to do with that.
Nothing.
What a dumb comment.
So, yeah, CPS is the third largest school district in the nation. Are ALL schools going to be New Trier? No. Because even the north shore doesn’t have 5 New Triers.
Impossible with 300,000 kids and thousands of teachers and staff.
But the schools are FAR better than they were 10 or 20 years ago. The one good thing about the housing bust, is that it forced a lot of young GenXers who were just starting their families to stay in the city and invest in the schools. And now, surprise, there is massive improvement.
Like I said, the last mayoral election was the first time in my lifetime where the quality of the schools were NOT a campaign issue. They won’t be in the next one either.
“What a small man you are”
Late 50s retired female pharma scientist, remember? Many cats, probably.
I’ll save Homedelete the trouble, but, yes, I am realistic about the crime situation right now. You cannot even walk down the street. The criminals are using weapons of WAR.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-warn-of-armed-robbers-touting-semiautomatic-weapon-who-have-struck-6-times-in-lakeview/ar-AARprVb?ocid=msedgntp
Police issued a community alert Thursday about six recent armed robberies on residential streets in Lakeview.
In each incident, robbers came up to unsuspecting victims on the sidewalk and demanded money while wielding semiautomatic firearms, police said.
After the victims gave up their property each time, the robbers got into a waiting vehicle driven by a getaway driver and left.
“What has really doomed Chicago is the non-white immigration and the whites’ inculcation of all the disastrous jewish Sixties cultural anti-movements: abortion, contraception, feminism, LGBT, drugs, porn, anti-family, anti-Christianity, lack of morals, rescuing dogs, etc.”
Jesus Christ, man, where do you come up with this shit? For instance WTF is “jewish Sixties cultural anti-movements” and how has it doomed Chicago?
Sabrina,
I’ll be posting my November update on Tuesday but I can already tell you that it was probably a 14 or 15 year record for sales. The thing is that unless you want to spend your entire life in Chicago the fact that Chicago has lagged just about every other metro area in the country for more than a decade really matters because when you move you’re going to have to have to spend a lot more money in the next city. And the longer we live here the worse it gets.
Regarding your unvaxxed friends and relatives…I’m curious why they aren’t vaccinated.
“I’m curious why they aren’t vaccinated.”
Because they watch Fox News Gary. Sadly.
It’s one big conspiracy. Vaccines are about control. They have FREEDOM. They are healthy. Covid doesn’t do anything to healthy people (see Helmethofer’s rants on this site.)
“The thing is that unless you want to spend your entire life in Chicago the fact that Chicago has lagged just about every other metro area in the country for more than a decade really matters because when you move you’re going to have to have to spend a lot more money in the next city.”
Are you talking about in retirement?
My uncle lived his whole life in Illinois. Lived in the city for a bit in the 60s and 70s. Moved to the suburbs in the 1980s. Lived in a standard middle class suburb. House did go up but he pulled money out of it.
Sold 4 years ago and moved to Arizona. Sold his house in the suburbs for $250,000. Bought a small townhouse in one of the extended “suburbs” of Phoenix for $150,000 because he had taken some money out.
Lives just fine.
Never wanted to move to Hawaii, NYC, San Francisco, LA or California, in general, for retirement.
If this uncle had bought a house in the East Bay of San Francisco in the 1980s, it would be worth $800,000 to a $1 million right now. But that’s how it goes. His life was what he wanted and raised his kids in the Chicago area.
Oh, all three of his kids own houses in the Chicago suburbs. The grandkids went to good schools.
If you honestly think you’re going to be “priced out” of both coasts or somewhere like Nashville, Gary, then what about the poor souls who have middle class jobs and live there? Do people really think these home price increases can keep going on like this for forever? And why do they think that?
When the mortgage rates rise, it’s going to get more difficult than ever to buy ANYTHING in many cities for anyone except the very rich.
Oh- you can buy a new construction house in San Antonio right now for just $250,000 to $300,000.
I don’t really see what the complaint is. To many parts of America, Chicago’s real estate is insanely expensive. You can easily move to a dozen+ cities and buy more for your money.
“I’ll be posting my November update on Tuesday but I can already tell you that it was probably a 14 or 15 year record for sales.”
Thanks Gary. Can’t wait to see what tidbits you have in it.
I can’t believe it’s remaining this hot. Last year- it wasn’t a surprise given all the sudden moving around. But no one really anticipated that it would continue at this pace even after the vaccines came out and we started to return to “normal.”
Inventory is insanely low.
When I first started doing this site in 2007, there would literally be 4,000 to 5,000 listings in Lakeview alone every day.
How many are there now?
Okay- I just had to look using Redfin.
496.
Yes, it’s December, always the lowest month for listings.
But that’s ABSURD for a neighborhood of that size and density.
Wow.
It’s really unhealthy. I hope people are thinking of listing in the spring. We really need more inventory.
“ Is 330,411 (actual 20th day count from this year) really “something like” 500,000?”
It’s just a number
“Trump was going to end all crime, remember? He said he could stop it within a week. Instead, it DID get worse during his administration. So much so, that the DOJ sent in help. But maybe you just forgot about that part.“
Wait I thought it was due to the pandemic?
“Are you talking about in retirement?”
What if he’s NOT talking about retirement, but a job relocation?
To a top-10 to -15 metro?
“My uncle lived his whole life in Illinois. Lived in the city for a bit in the 60s and 70s. Moved to the suburbs in the 1980s…Sold 4 years ago and moved to Arizona. Sold his house in the suburbs for $250,000. Bought a small townhouse in one of the extended “suburbs” of Phoenix for $150,000 because he had taken some money out.”
Just to clarify all the data is at the metro area. No easy way to separate Chicago from suburbs.
I think the Chicago area really started to fall behind after the bubble burst. It was the last of the 20 top metro areas to surpass the bubble peak. That just happened last month. Your uncle could not “swap” homes from the Chicago area to Phoenix today. Phoenix is up like 30% YOY. No shit.
Looking at the FHFA price indices Chicago is now consistently in the bottom 5 out of 100 metro areas. Not good.
I don’t want to live in a major urban center but I don’t want to live in a backwater either. Raleigh/ Durham is really promising but their market is also outperforming Chicago now. The longer I wait though the farther behind I fall. Going there next weekend to check it out one more time.
“what about the poor souls who have middle class jobs and live there? Do people really think these home price increases can keep going on like this for forever? And why do they think that?”
In my book there is no such thing as housing being unaffordable. Prices are driven up by people who can afford it. It’s a tautology. Lower income people that own homes will benefit from rising prices. It’s the renters that get screwed but they need to be flexible and move to cheaper places. Helping them stay put just keeps wages low and increases the demand for housing. It’s counterproductive. Let the market work.
“The right answer is the (1) apply income tax to retirement income (with an exemption like above)”
Third rail issue which no politician (especially dem) will touch in this state – taxing retirement income. Nope.
Go back to the attack ads on the fair tax highlighting the current Treasurer Michael Ferichs statement on taxing retirement income. It’s a political loser in this state.
“there is no such thing as housing being unaffordable”
But, Gary, I want a house for my 4 kids, each with their own bedroom, walking distance from my job as a surf instructor just north of Santa Monica Pier. And no one will give me a $3m loan!
[yes, that’s a luxury choice. complaining about it is akin to saying “I cannot afford a car” when you mean “a new Ferrari”, but could buy a Camry with the cash in your pocket]
“They will NOT be raising rates in June, WP. Come on. Do you think about anything on your own? My god.”
I don’t set the market or make FED interest rate policy. Thinking on your own and fighting the FED has been a money loser for decades.
Bostic, a voting member, said last week he thinks one or two rate hikes next year may be appropriate. Powell, will likely accelerate the taper now that he has been re-nominated by Biden and will get republican votes in the Senate offsetting the Warren and Bernie types wanting Brainard.
Mary Daly and Barkin who are both voting members were quoted this week saying it may be time to “start crafting a plan” to raise rates to combat inflation, and Richmond Fed President Thomas Barkin throwing his support behind “normalising policy.”
“Powell reiterated in testimony to Congress on Wednesday that he and fellow policymakers will consider swifter action at their Dec. 14-15 meeting.”
Consensus being drawn by the Banks and Money Managers “see high odds of the Fed raising the target rate by a quarter point at its June meeting”.
This has all been reported this week. But feel free to fight the FED. Let me know how that works for your portfolio.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/03/forex-markets-dollar-us-jobs-report-omicron-covid-variant.html
“It’s a political loser in this state.”
Yes, I know, AND it’s stupid as shit.
All those retirees who paid 3% (or less) their entire working careers got the benefit of the under-funding of pensions, and now still want nothing to do with fixing it. Selfish a-holes.
“By the way, the delta outbreak is now here in Illinois.”
The Delta has been here since August…..
WP:
Did you intentionally elide Sabrina’s
“They will be raising much sooner,”
or just get bored with a wall of text calling you an idiot?
“The Delta has been here since August…..”
You pedantic, googling, twat!
“Illinois processed 250,000 COVID tests yesterday, an all-time record. 11,000 positives. We last had that many positives in December of last year”
The number of tests processed was also an all time record. The positivity rate was 4.9%. At the end of November/beginning of December last year it was north of 10%. Kind of important distinction….
“with a COVID variant that wasn’t nearly as transmissible”
Pretty sure that also means less deadly. Hard to transmit from person x to person y if person X is already dead.
“The Delta is everywhere and it will get worse.”
I thought you were taking anti-vax propaganda down. I’m flagging your own comment for you.
“We all went to Thanksgiving at friends and family’s homes, hung out indoors, and now it’s spreading like wildfire.”
Why won’t everyone continue to socially isolate? Having additional mental health problems from continued social isolation doesn’t matter if you are DEAD. DEAD I TELL YOU! snark….
“Because they watch Fox News Gary. Sadly. It’s one big conspiracy. Vaccines are about control. They have FREEDOM.”
Obviously the biggest group of anti-vaxxers are the rightwing morons, and the anti-vax (or vax-hesitant) sentiment among non-rightwing minority communities is also (understandably) real. But there’s also small but strident anti-vax contingent comprised of educated, otherwise well-informed, liberal folks. I’d be curious if any of you Chicagoans know anyone who falls within that strange demographic. I know of three such families in my neighborhood alone (they’re broadly/loosely within our social circle), and it’s baffling (and a little scandalous).
“Obviously the biggest group of anti-vaxxers are the rightwing morons, and the anti-vax (or vax-hesitant) sentiment among non-rightwing minority communities is also (understandably) real.”
This type of analysis is Sabrina liberal elitist brain worm. Curious as to how your hot take stands up to demographic ages of who has gotten the vaccine and who hasn’t?
Per the below 99% of the 65+ population (typical fox news audience; also skews whiter than younger age groups) have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine and 85% are fully vaccinated.
Meanwhile only 61% and 72% of the 25 – 39 year old population is fully vaccinated or has one dose. This age group tend to be “more educated” i.e. college graduates, live in urban areas, younger people are also generally more liberal compared to older generations.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
“Curious as to how your hot take stands up to demographic ages of who has gotten the vaccine and who hasn’t?”
It’s quite possible to be loudly “anti-vax” and have gotten the vaccine. See, eg, certain ‘media’ entertainment personalities.
As to Nonny’s question: I’ve heard second hand of some UMC-type Chicago folks who maybe aren’t vaxxed, but people I actually know have been on the “lie about status to get shots sooner” side of the issue.
“Per the below 99% of the 65+ population (typical fox news audience…)”
Meh, I think the most valued (and therefore, focused on) Fox News viewers are still within their working years (even if they’re less productive than their liberal counterparts). Ads for collectibles issued by the Franklin Mint aren’t paying the big salaries of traitors like Tucker Carlson. The rightwing morons I graduated from HS with in 88 are in their prime.
“but people I actually know have been on the “lie about status to get shots sooner” side of the issue.”
Same here, which is why the oddballs in my hood really stand out.
“Per the below 99% of the 65+ population (typical fox news audience; also skews whiter than younger age groups) have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine and 85% are fully vaccinated.”
Doesn’t pass the smell test. 99%? Claims to be CDC data but the actual CDC data is different. https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/COVID-19-Vaccination-and-Case-Trends-by-Age-Group-/gxj9-t96f/data
Never mind. It does check out. You need to properly sort the data on the CDC site.
Amazing though.
“ Meh, I think the most valued (and therefore, focused on) Fox News viewers are still within their working years (even if they’re less productive than their liberal counterparts). Ads for collectibles issued by the Franklin Mint aren’t paying the big salaries of traitors like Tucker Carlson. The rightwing morons I graduated from HS with in 88 are in their prime.”
Better than the “Minor Attracted Person” crowd that regurgitates quips from the Daily show
“Better than the “Minor Attracted Person” crowd that regurgitates quips from the Daily show”
For the record, Bill O’Reilly (favorably) read a comment of mine at the end of a Factor episode, circa 03 or 04.
The criminals are using weapons of WAR.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-warn-of-armed-robbers-touting-semiautomatic-weapon-who-have-struck-6-times-in-lakeview/ar-AARprVb?ocid=msedgntp
Wait, they’re trying to sell automatic weapons? Or are they actually “toting” automatic weapons (vs “touting” automatic weapons)?
/pedantry
“Per the below 99% of the 65+ population (typical fox news audience; also skews whiter than younger age groups) have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine and 85% are fully vaccinated.”
Yep- some of my Fox watching relatives are in this category. BUT- they are now refusing to get the booster because of “conspiracies” and the “corrupt government” and the “side effects.”
They all got the original vaccine literally 8 months ago. We know that it’s good for about 9 months.
Look for many of the elderly Fox viewers who are now refusing the booster to be at risk in the hospitals this holiday season. Unfortunately. ]
So sad. It didn’t have to be like this
Oh- and my Fox watching relatives who aren’t vaxxed at all are in their 40s and 50s.
Good times.
“The number of tests processed was also an all time record. The positivity rate was 4.9%. At the end of November/beginning of December last year it was north of 10%. Kind of important distinction….”
Our outbreak has only just begun. All you need to do is look at Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio and Michigan.
Oh, and Missouri is going in the wrong direction, again, even though it had the original really bad Delta outbreak over the summer which crushed their hospitals. Looks like they’re heading into another wave, perhaps in the bigger cities again.
This is likely to be our largest outbreak of the entire pandemic because people are dining indoors, visiting their families maskless, hanging out in movie theaters, riding the Metra or subway or buses, driving in taxis with drivers who no longer wear a mask with the windows closed.
Still too many unvaccinated in Illinois. Chicago is only 61% fully vaccinated. That’s thousands of people who are at severe risk.
Same with the entire state. It’s under 60% statewide. Some areas even just at 50%.
We will have many more “positives” this go around because even vaxxed people can get it. We also only have 15% that have gotten the booster so many who are vaxxed could still get a bad case of it, especially if they are immune compromised. This is how Germany is getting 70,000 cases a day even though it has 70% vaccinated.
But hopefully fewer will be hospitalized and we shouldn’t have as many deaths. Fingers crossed.
“Why won’t everyone continue to socially isolate? Having additional mental health problems from continued social isolation doesn’t matter if you are DEAD. DEAD I TELL YOU! snark….”
People are tired. Tired of restrictions. Tired of masks. Just tired. They think it’s “over” but it’s not. Very difficult for everyone.
But this also happened in 1918. This is why they had that big second wave of death, especially in states that got rid of all restrictions.
Human nature.
Our poor medical professionals. They don’t deserve this. They have been through so much. They are the ones really living the nightmare. Imagine having someone come into your ICU who thought they could “protect” themselves by taking zinc when the scientists have given you a vaccine that works?
Our medical professionals need counseling. It’s so tough.
“Ads for collectibles issued by the Franklin Mint aren’t paying the big salaries of traitors like Tucker Carlson.”
Another case of not understanding the business model as carrier fees are much more lucrative. You don’t have to watch a minute of it just purchase a cable bundle.
FWIW Tucker and Maddow have the highest ratings in prime time news coverage so if anyone is making material money for the network through ads it would be them.
“Pretty sure that also means less deadly. Hard to transmit from person x to person y if person X is already dead.”
The delta variant is 50x more transmissible than the variant that was the big winter outbreak last year.
You can get it within 8 seconds.
Hence, why it’s so difficult to stop the spread once it takes hold in a community. Eventually, it will burn itself out but we need to watch Europe to see when their outbreak ends.
Oh, and Vietnam bent its curve earlier this fall, reopened in mid-October, and now cases are soaring higher than the original outbreak. They have record high cases again.
Last year, there was a reason we didn’t gather with our families for Thanksgiving. This year, we did, and now we’re going to have a really big outbreak into the end of the year.
almost like its endemic…
I caught covid when I was in Chicago about a month ago… it was a very mild cold that lasted 10 days. I was not vaccinated, my wife was and she had identical severity of symptoms and actually has had it worse for longer
If you’re over 65 and haven’t taken the vax you’re stupid (data shows that most have) Its the younger people that should gain natural immunity and get this over with if we ever want to stop this insanity. (I know our fearless leaders don’t)
“Never mind. It does check out. You need to properly sort the data on the CDC site.
Amazing though.”
This is why we need to look at what’s going on in the world and not just yell at the neighbor (who is likely vaxxed anyway).
Portugal has 90% of their population vaccinated but covid hospitalizations have doubled since October.
Heck even Vermont with 85% of the state having at least one dose reported their highest covid hospitalization this week.
Need to learn to live with it and accept that its endemic like the medical community has said for over a year now….
We were an unhealthy nation before covid hit and there isn’t a vaccine for diabetes and obesity.
“they are now refusing to get the booster because of “conspiracies” and the “corrupt government” and the “side effects.”
I’m pretty sure plenty of Maddow viewers that aren’t getting their boosters either but facts wouldn’t help the narrative you try and create.
Wednesdays Tribune article “about 15% of Illinois residents have gotten Covid-19 booster shots.” Didn’t realize the State had swung from the Left to the “far right” in a couple of months.
Illinois now ranks 17th in the nation for its percentage of all residents who’ve received boosters
Of Illinois adults eligible for boosters — namely those who are at least six months past their second doses of Moderna or Pfizer or two months past their Johnson & Johnson shot — about 37% have gotten boosters”
Now the kicker guess which area of the State is second to last (11 regions) on boosting senior citizens…. that’s right Chicago with only 37.9% last place is at 34.7% meanwhile Dupage/Kane/Suburban Cook are at ~50% and higher.
I guess Seniors in Chicago are now all anti-vax fox news viewing republicans posting memes on facebook.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/vaccine/ct-coronavirus-vaccine-boosters-illinois-omicron-20211201-i6xqeln5nzhapjdyage67lnyvu-story.html
“Another case of not understanding the business model as carrier fees are much more lucrative.”
“According to 2020 Financial Times reporting, Fox News made more from [carriage] fees in 2020 — $1.6 billion — than from advertising — $1.2 billion.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/why-fox-news-won-t-cut-tucker-carlson-loose-even-ncna1283380
If you don’t like FoxNews, cancel your cable, and tell the cable company why.
“Our outbreak has only just begun. All you need to do is look at Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio and Michigan.”
Huh? Covid cases have been rising since June. It will be the same as last year. Cases will start falling again around mid-January.
“This is likely to be our largest outbreak of the entire pandemic because people are dining indoors, visiting their families maskless, hanging out in movie theaters, riding the Metra or subway or buses, driving in taxis with drivers who no longer wear a mask with the windows closed.”
Again huh? are you defining “outbreak” as cases or hospitalizations? Also, why are you promoting masks over vaccines? How dare the peasants live and enjoy their lives!
“That’s thousands of people who are at severe risk”
The risk of covid is not evenly distributed. A fully vaccinated 70+ year old is still at more risk of dying from covid than an unvaccinated child – per the NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/briefing/covid-age-risk-infection-vaccine.html
“But this also happened in 1918.”
Really, where you there?
“This is why they had that big second wave of death, especially in states that got rid of all restrictions.”
Did they have vaccines for the flu in 1918? Did they even have antibiotics?…. Could this have been the actual reason why there was a second wave of death?
Also, how much of the population smoked cigarettes’ in 1918 compared to the 2020’s? I hear there is a relationship between damaged lungs and the ability to fight off respiratory virus’
I know multiple variables and inputs are hard to comprehend for you.
“by taking zinc when the scientists have given you a vaccine that works?”
What? Is the ivermectin horse dewormer conspiracy the left created to make the right look like cartoon character. You know that was debunked and fake news. Even CNN said it was fake (well the actual journalist side of CNN not the opinion talking heads).
From the CNN piece: “The story, which was first published by a local news outlet, baselessly suggested that overdoses among people taking ivermectin to fight Covid-19 were a primary factor in filling up hospitals in the state.
There was no evidence for this — and the story didn’t even demonstrate that its one and only named source had claimed it was true. But the flawed story was widely shared anyway, aggregated by big media outlets and amplified on social media by liberals eager to demonstrate that right-wingers had gone off the deep end in their growing fondness for ivermectin.”
“Our medical professionals need counseling. It’s so tough.”
How much should your property taxes go up to pay for this or is this more virtue signaling.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/fact-check-oklahoma-ivermectin-story/index.html
“Its the younger people that should gain natural immunity and get this over with if we ever want to stop this insanity. ”
Even before Omicron there was data showing that vaccinations were far superior to “natural immunity”. Now, early indications with Omicron are that you can get reinfected. The jury is still out on Omicron and vaccinations but it should be clear by now that there is no “getting this over with” without high percentages of vaccinations. And, yes, we might have to get boosters every 6 months and they might have to reengineer the vaccines for new variants.
And the data is what the data is. 60% of the unvaccinated are Republican or leaning Republican while only 17% are Democrat or leaning Democrat. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/16/party-divide-vaccination/ No point in digging for anecdotal or small sample exceptions to the rule.
“The delta variant is 50x more transmissible than the variant that was the big winter outbreak last year.”
Even if you are vaccinated? Also, I asked is it more deadly not more transmissible.
“You can get it within 8 seconds.”
That’s again more “fake news”. The CDC was lazy and plugged something from some NYT’s piece and put it in a slide show. You wonder why so many don’t trust the government.
“So why did the CDC say the delta variant was “just as transmissible as” the chickenpox?
For one, the leaked document underestimated the R0 for chickenpox and overestimated the R0 for the delta variant. “The R0 values for delta were preliminary and calculated from data taken from a rather small sample size,” a federal official told NPR. The value for the chickenpox (and other R0s in the slideshow) came from a graphic from The New York Times, which wasn’t completely accurate.”
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox
“Last year, there was a reason we didn’t gather with our families for Thanksgiving.”
We had no vaccine? The State shut everything down?
“This year, we did, and now we’re going to have a really big outbreak into the end of the year.”
We have a vaccine? Things aren’t shut-down? Hospitalizations aren’t even half of what they were this time last year? They peaked at over 6100 last Thanksgiving we are currently at 2500…. with only 35 in Chicago
“how much of the population smoked cigarettes’ in 1918 compared to the 2020’s?”
This doesn’t get all the way to now, but per capita consumption in 1918 was actually pretty low:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4843a2.htm#fig1
Appears to still be over 1,000/person in latest data.
Anyway, didn’t some early info suggest that smokers were *less* susceptible to COVID?
“And, yes, we might have to get boosters every 6 months and they might have to reengineer the vaccines for new variants”
The majority of people aren’t going to get vaccinated every 6 months or even annually. You could get the country to buy in at best once on getting vaccinated once and that was this past year.
This isn’t an actual plan unless it’s treated like the flu vaccine; primarily marketed to the elderly.
“Better than the “Minor Attracted Person” crowd that regurgitates quips from the Daily show”
Even Trevor Noah is questioning the rationale for a new vaccine for Omicron. A “variant” that no one knows about and all the cases have been mild suddenly we all need to panic. The Dr. that discovered the variant even said everyone she has seen that has had it has at worst had mild symptoms.
Every variant to date has been reported on as everyone is going to die and how the vaccines might not work. Yet no variant to date has been proven to evade the vaccine and there has been one variant that we continued to talk about after a month of first hearing it and it was Delta.
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1466513437115105281
“And the data is what the data is. 60% of the unvaccinated are Republican or leaning Republican while only 17% are Democrat or leaning Democrat.”
Still waiting for the Alabama, Florida, or Texas variant I see? You realize Africa has 1.3 Billion people and only 7% are vaccinated but yes its the unvaccinated US republican adults fault which represents ~27 million people or 2.2% of the unvaccinated population of Africa.
Mind you that doesn’t take into the count the other billions of people that have not been vaccinated in aggregate when counting the Middle East, Europe, Asia, and South America.
This also doesn’t take into account the quality of vaccine that countries like China have used with 1.4 billion people.
The political party that a US voter chooses seems irrelevant because as Sabrina says “the virus knows no borders, it just infects”…. Borders also mean countries and there are a lot more people located outside the US than inside the US.
“ And the data is what the data is. 60% of the unvaccinated are Republican or leaning Republican while only 17% are Democrat or leaning Democrat. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/16/party-divide-vaccination/ No point in digging for anecdotal or small sample exceptions to the rule.”
Why not link to the original data set from Kaiser Vs link to some 3rd rate opinion piece (other than the obvious)?
I wouldn’t call a self identified survey infallible, but TrUSt thE sCIEnCe
“Oh, and it’s pretty pathetic that the party that gave out the largest corporate tax cuts in history is now talking about inequality and “elite progressives.”
yet corporate tax receipts have increased… “At $370 billion, they easily top where they were immediately before Republicans slashed the corporate rate as part of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act….. At $370 billion, the corporate tax haul would be the biggest, at least in nominal terms, since 2007.”
Meanwhile every dem presidential candidate pledged to roll back the tax cuts and tax the rich but their only substantive tax policy since being in office is House Dems repealing the SALT Cap (which actually did tax the rich) the largest expenditure in the monstrosity that is Build Back Better and attempted to criminalize tipped and contracted workers i.e. the poor by having Banks report every Bank account to the IRS that had gross annual inflows or outflows >$600 per year.
Also, apparently Biden and Dems now love WalMart. Who would have known….
“Walmart’s newfound status within Democratic political circles is, to a degree, a reflection of how the modern economy has shifted political considerations.”
“The PAC gave $1.32 million to Republicans compared to just $358,500 to Democrats in the 2004 cycle. In the 2020 cycle, the PAC gave $596,000 to both parties. While Democrats had once refused to accept the company’s donations, lawmakers have become far more willing in recent cycles, according to an individual close to the company.”
“the Waltons, have also doled out cash to Democrats and their allies too. As recently as May, Christy Walton gave $50,000 to the anti-Trump super PAC the Lincoln Project, and in October 2020, Alice Walton gave $300,000 to Unite the Country, a pro-Biden super PAC.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/03/biden-walmart-doug-mcmillon-523702
“Even before Omicron there was data showing that vaccinations were far superior to “natural immunity”.”
This is just too stupid to even believe.
As for omicron, there is increasing evidence that it escapes natural immunity. People are getting reinfected. There’s a study out of S.A. that showed reinfection rates were high. Reinfection rates per numerous studies up until now were low, something in the 1-4 in 1000 range. That’s pretty strong protection, much stronger than any vaccine.
Not any more.
There’s evidence that O escapes vaccination. That Dutch plane, the majority of 62 people testing positive were vaccinated. And nearly everyone in the US who has it is vaccinated.
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W
My guess this current surge is the omicron variant, it takes a lot of effort and time to determine the variant. I too know three people in the past 72 hours who’ve caught it and they were all triple vaxxed. This surge doesn’t feel like delta, but we’ll find out sooner or later if its a mix or if its O
We are back to square one, and that’s kind of scary.
“Still waiting for the Alabama, Florida, or Texas variant I see? You realize Africa has 1.3 Billion people and only 7% are vaccinated but yes its the unvaccinated US republican adults fault which represents ~27 million people or 2.2% of the unvaccinated population of Africa.”
Trying to change the subject? Did I say anything about Republicans causing the variants? No. I’m merely responding to the anecdotal data that was purported to suggest that the left was equally unvaccinated. It’s simply not true.
“Even before Omicron there was data showing that vaccinations were far superior to “natural immunity”.”
Gary you’re an idiot if you actually believe this
“This is just too stupid to even believe.”
Lots of scientists on the site today, I see.
Natural immunity wanes just like the vaccination immunity. I LOVE how the COVID deniers and anti-vaxx deniers (always the same people) try and act like “natural immunity” would save them. If so, we would only need one flu shot and never need to get one again. Lol.
Those over 65 who got the vaccine early in the year and those in the medical profession who also got the first batches of the vaccine, need to get the booster as soon as possible. Antibodies really low. And those who had COVID last year likely have little protection now.
Oh, and Homedelete, the health departments DO know if your COVID is Omicron or Delta. They are testing for the variant now. The current outbreak in the United States is solely Delta. It is the dominant strain. Omicron won’t be dominant for months.
The focus on Omicron is misplaced as it’s delta which is going to kill all the anti-vaxxers.
Michigan has reported another 277 deaths over the last 2 days. It might have peaked on cases, however. Will take some time to peak on hospitalizations and deaths, as those always lag.
But Michigan has been in the midst of this outbreak for a month now. Illinois won’t peak until January.
Additionally, HD, you don’t understand COVID. The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it. It prevents you from being hospitalized and dying. Your case won’t be as severe. You can still get it.
How many times do we need to repeat this on this site? Why do you think Germany has 70,000 cases a day with 70%+ vaccinated? Because the vaccinated are testing positive.
“yet corporate tax receipts have increased…”
Excuse me WP. That tax bill cost Americans a TRILLION dollars. And no one raised salaries (laughable). They bought back shares.
What a disaster of a bill that was. From a political group that supposedly represents the working class. But it doesn’t. That’s the biggest con of all.
“The political party that a US voter chooses seems irrelevant because as Sabrina says “the virus knows no borders, it just infects”….”
Correct. But Fox News has told the MAGA base that they will die if they get the vaxx. That it’s a conspiracy to control them. That they can’t let “the government” take away their FREEDOM. That they can drink pineapple juice and take zinc pills and this will “beat” a deadly virus.
Democratic base listens to Dr. Fauci so they’ve been vaccinated and now they’re getting the boosters.
“The majority of people aren’t going to get vaccinated every 6 months or even annually.”
They already ARE, WP. Duh.
The flu vaccine isn’t “marketed primarily to the elderly” as many college students have to have it to attend school. Also, every company I have ever worked at has done a flu shot promo every fall with employees of every age group getting it.
Lots of people who aren’t elderly get the flu shot.
“The State shut everything down?”
There’s WP living in the alternative universe again.
The “State” told us we couldn’t go to Grandma’s house last year? Really? They put up barricades on her cul-de-sac? They tracked our cars and SUVs? They put up check points on the highways and ticketed those who visited friends and family last year?
Come on.
And, once again, WP and all the other COVID deniers don’t understand what is about to come. Same way they didn’t understand the southern surge last year (or this year).
They will be wrong. Again.
We are going to be in our biggest outbreak of the entire pandemic in the next 6 to 8 weeks in Illinois. It has already happened in Michigan. They are ahead of us. Indiana has already warned it will be at record hospitalizations. Illinois will be too. Our only advantage is that we still have a statewide mask mandate and some of the other states, like Indiana, do not. The virus will spread more freely and easily in those states.
But the masks won’t prohibit the spread in Illinois because no one is wearing a mask with their families anymore (extended families) or friends. And we’re all gathering indoors.
This is why Illinois cases exploded in the last week. We all gathered for Thanksgiving. We’re going to movies again. We’re eating inside, without a mask on, for 2 hours.
It didn’t have to be like this. It’s so sad.
Get vaccinated. Get the booster as soon as possible. I’ve heard that there are next day appointments in the suburbs. In the city, it’s hard to find an appointment. People are figuring it out. They are like me, where my friends and family suddenly have gotten COVID and now we all want the booster as quickly as possible.
It’s not a coincidence that Iowa’s rate of the booster shot is among the highest in the country but it’s been in a bad COVID outbreak for several weeks and is at record hospitalizations.
“Even if you are vaccinated? Also, I asked is it more deadly not more transmissible.”
You said “transmissible” meant “more deadly.”
They are not the same thing.
“But this also happened in 1918.”
“Really, where you there?”
Lots of historians in the world, WP.
Study. Learn.
“Our medical professionals need counseling. It’s so tough.”
“How much should your property taxes go up to pay for this or is this more virtue signaling.”
We just passed the largest Defense Department budget in US history at nearly $800 billion. We can help our medical professionals, don’t you think WP?
Shameful.
Every time we have another bad COVID outbreak wave, WP comes on this blog and says it’s not going to happen, the worst is over, people won’t die etc.
And every time he’s wrong.
It’s really comical how we can be almost 2 years into this pandemic and yet some people STILL don’t understand how this virus spreads and kills.
Shocking, really.
Sorry Gary. Every time there is a wave, you and I are warning about it, and the COVID deniers on this site just post the most absurd “reasons” why the outbreak won’t be bad.
I expect WP to stop posting here while we’re in the midst of the worst of it, like he has done during the prior outbreaks when he was completely wrong. Lol.
“I’m pretty sure plenty of Maddow viewers that aren’t getting their boosters either but facts wouldn’t help the narrative you try and create.”
Nope. They are not refusing due to “freedom” and “choice” and the “government is corrupt.”
To suggest that is just stupid. The MAGAs are VERY clear about why they aren’t vaxxed. (forget the booster) They believe it will kill them.
Rachel leads her show off with the worsening outbreak and has doctors and specialists on most nights. Anyone who is watching her show has already gotten the booster. Something like 2 million people got it this week. She has a couple million viewers. Makes sense.
And this outbreak IS bad, and worsening.
Prayers.
“Portugal has 90% of their population vaccinated but covid hospitalizations have doubled since October.”
No booster?
They vaccinated early. Could be waning. Looks like Portugal might have to put holiday restrictions on. They mostly avoided this delta wave, though. Good for them. The key is to avoid hospitalizations.
You said that hospitalizations “doubled” since October and that may be but context is everything. Their hospitalizations are still really low compared to the Netherlands and Germany which have maxxed out hospitals. They are well under their all-time highs and their hospital system isn’t at critical levels like, say, western Michigan is.
Portugal should be fine during this outbreak- as far as hospitalizations go. But they are, apparently, focusing on that 10% who still isn’t vaccinated. Because even that small of a group can still overwhelm your ICU.
“Need to learn to live with it and accept that its endemic like the medical community has said for over a year now….”
We have already done this. The whole point is to save your hospitals so that if you have a stroke or a heart attack, you get care. Several states are at a critical level again where they are flying patients to other parts of the state. You cannot run a society with this happening.
“ Lots of scientists on the site today, I see.”
Your lack of self awareness is disturbing
“ But Fox News has told the MAGA base that they will die if they get the vaxx.”
And MSNBC is telling everyone that your going to catch COVID and die if your within 100 yards of anyone that might have it.
I’m beginning to see how your mind works. Not being ground in reality (or being plastered) must be nice
“ Rachel leads her show off with the worsening outbreak and has doctors and specialists on most nights.”
Glad to see she moved on from her love of the “infamous pee tape”. I’m sure the reporting on COVID is up to the same standards
“This is just too stupid to even believe.”
Stated without evidence.
There are studies. For instance, this one states that among the infected the risk of hospitalizations is 5 1/2 times higher without a vaccine but previous infection than for those with the vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm
I was busy this weekend so I couldn’t get around to a new post. I’ll try to put one up sometime on Monday morning, however.
It is SLOW out there. Not surprising, as it’s December, but there is not much to pick from.
” Every time there is a wave, you and I are warning about it, and the COVID deniers on this site just post the most absurd “reasons” why the outbreak won’t be bad.”
The experimental and untested and unapproved mRNA gene therapy shots are not “vaccines”, unless you are a sucker who approves of Merriam-Webster changing their “definition” of what a vaccine is. How deceitful. Nobody under the age of 65 needs the experimental shots, because COVID is not lethal. Hardly anybody dies of it under age 65, and most people who are claimed to have died from it, are doing so at very advanced ages when people die anyway.
There are many people who are being suicided, not treating stage 4 cancers, not having angioplasty, etc. etc. etc. over this COVID FRAUD and the hurtful and misguided lockdowns.
Get the shot and booster if you are paranoid or over 65. But when you have Karens and Garys (new term for wimpy, whiny, authoritarian complex men) trying to dictate and spew misinformed bad medicine and hurtful policy to people under 65, it’s a crime against humanity.
Natural immunity is robust and permanent. The stupid fake vaxxes only target 1 spike protein. They are basically worthless compared to natural immunity which offers comprehensive protection.
There are also side effects to the jabbbs just now coming to light: myocarditits, VAERS deaths, etc. The risks for they under 65 are far greater than any lame and worthless mRNA experimental therapy that targets only one spike protein, that results in breakthroughs anyway, and needs to be boo$tered. Don’t be a sucker if you are under 65.
helmethofer,
Do you really expect people to believe you when you just make shit up and contradict known facts? There is too much bullshit in your last post to fully address but here are just a few points:
You want to use Merriam Webster’s definition? Fine: “a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body’s immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease” Sure sounds like the vaccine falls under that definition.
Covid is not lethal? Tell that to the 5 MM that have died worldwide.
From the VAERS web site: “VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem.” The reason is that just because an adverse reaction occurs doesn’t mean that the vaccine caused it. People die every day after drinking water. That doesn’t mean water is deadly.
Natural immunity does not cause comprehensive or permanent protection. If you know otherwise please provide your source. However, I already posted a link to a source that proves otherwise.
Frankly, I’m tired of this debate. I feel like we should just let natural selection do it’s work and then there will be fewer people to debate this with and fewer people to vote against sensible policies. The only problem is that these clowns are filling up the hospitals. But I already proposed a solution to that problem.
“The only problem is that these clowns are filling up the hospitals.”
BS! If you’re over 65 get the shot, if you think you’re so unhealthy as to be at risk. The virus is not lethal for people under 65. What is WORSE is all the other societal, mental and health-related problems and deaths that occur because of the misguided anti-science and tyrannical idiocy related to COVID craziness applied to those under 65. Children should not get the shot, should not be masked, and should be in school with full extracurriculars. COVID is less a problem for them than the normal flu! Most people who get Covid don’t even get a fever and get it over it with some minor fatigue and loss of smell/taste. Come on. It’s not even close to the normal flu for most people and almost all people under 65.
Gary, you have to compare the before/after definition of “vaccine” to see what stunt the dishonest liars you collaborate and sympathize with have pulled here.
Anyone who supports jabbing children aged 5-11 should be thrown in jail. More will be harmed by the jabbs than “covid”. Shame! Crime against humanity.
Natural immunity produces T-cells and antibodies that fight against the entirety of the virus. The experimental gene therapy fake vaxxes only provide antibodies that identify and fight ONE SPECIFIC spike protein. that’s it. Huge difference.
Helmethofer,
Are any of your beliefs based on any facts or do you just repeat whatever Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson tell you?
Around 200,000 people have died in the US under age 65. Also, the vaccines do produce T cells.
If the single purpose of a vaccine is to produce an immune response then anything that produces that response is a vaccine. Seems only logical to me.
I’ve already provided a link to a study that shows that vaccines are more effective at fighting this virus than natural immunity. You’ve shown us nothing because you have nothing.
“If the single purpose of a vaccine is to produce an immune response then anything that produces that response is a vaccine. Seems only logical to me.”
Wrong:
Merriam-Webster revised its “vaccine” definition to replace “immunity” with “immune response.” That’s because the experimental unauthorized untested unproven RNA gene therapies do NOT provide immunity. They provide a pathetic “response”. Someone with 4 boosters can still get covid and spread it to the unvaxxed, spread it and kill Grandma, and have a breakthrough case themselves. You still want to call it a “Vaccine”, Gary? You and your ilk have to lie and change the definition cause the science refutes what you say.
200,000 deaths? Since the source of that is likely the dishonest: CDC, Fauci, NIH, or the pharma firm$, let’s agree it could possibly be 100,000 without other complications like Obesity, diabetes, smoking, drinking, no exercise etc. That number is nothing more than the seasonal flu, and most certainly not worthy of shooting up kids 5-11 with experimental drugs, not worth shutting down businesses, not worth having MORE people die of other issues. The covid-crazies response is overall net negative and produces MORE DEATHS overall (cancers, heart attacks, suicides, depression, substance abuse, etc.)
The gene therapies only target a specific spike protein. They are not a comprehensive response as is natural immunity. What is the science that claims a fake vaxx targeting a spike protein is better? Unreliable and fake news. Probably a liar produced it and a anti-science “gene therapy” type fake news outlet published it.
Helmethofer,
Then it’s also not correct to say there is such a thing as natural immunity because it doesn’t make you immune. It allows your body to respond quickly. And not as effectively as the vaccine. Why have you STILL not provided any sources for your claims?
And if you don’t believe the CDC data then show me your data.
The virus may not kill you but can make you sick as hell for weeks on end. It’s not fun to have a fever, covid pneumonia and an uncontrollable cough. Nurses tell me lots of healthier people under 50 in the hospital getting oxygen and other meds.
“But this also happened in 1918. This is why they had that big second wave of death, especially in states that got rid of all restrictions.”
Maybe the bigger impact was WW1 which the US officially entered in December 1917 and quickly followed by Wilson nationalizing private industry to manufacturer and transport goods and people for said war.
Said war was probably a bigger contributor to the “second wave of death” along with not having vaccines, antibiotics, etc.
“hey put up check points on the highways and ticketed those who visited friends and family last year?”
Rhode Island, NYC, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Kentucky (literally arrested people for breaking quarantine), District of Columbia, Colorado, Hawaii….
How quickly you forget…..
“The Linscotts are not the only ones who’ve had a run-in with the law over quarantine-related issues. On March 30, Kentucky Circuit judges ordered at least four COVID-19 patients to wear ankle monitors for allegedly breaking self-isolation orders. And on April 6, Kanawha County Circuit Court approved the sheriff’s department to issue ankle monitors for those who refuse to quarantine. Colorado and Hawaii have both also considered using ankle monitors to monitor those ordered to quarantine.”
https://abcnews.go.com/US/kentucky-couple-house-arrest-refusing-sign-quarantine-agreement/story?id=71886479
“hey put up check points on the highways and ticketed those who visited friends and family last year?”
Literal checkpoints in Rhode Island looking for NY Plates. How quickly you forget.
Oh I forgot about that Florida, Texas, Maryland, and South Carolina did the same thing too.
“Gov. Gina Raimondo, a Democrat, said on Friday that if New Yorkers entering the state did not quarantine themselves for 14 days after arrival, they would be fined and, if they continued to flout the order, arrested.”
“She sent troops and police officers to the main highways entering the state, as well as to Amtrak stations and the main airport, to stop and warn people coming from New York State about the quarantine order. And on Saturday, she extended the order to cover travelers from any state.”
“Texas, Maryland and South Carolina are among other states that have ordered people arriving from New York to self-quarantine. In Texas, for instance, the Department of Public Safety said Friday that its agents would make surprise visits to see whether travelers were adhering to the state’s mandate, and they warned that violators could be fined $1,000 and jailed for up to 180 days.”
“Our only advantage is that we still have a statewide mask mandate”
Again are you an anti-vaxxer? Why are you promoting masks over vaccines?
“But the masks won’t prohibit the spread in Illinois because no one is wearing a mask with their families anymore (extended families) or friends. And we’re all gathering indoors.”
Because most people have been vaccinated. Maybe that’s why?…..
“hey put up check points on the highways and ticketed those who visited friends and family last year?”
Forgot the link to the Rhode Island, Texas, Maryland, Florida one…
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/coronavirus-rhode-island-checkpoint.html
“Because most people have been vaccinated. Maybe that’s why?…..”
But they…um…haven’t?
There are just 8 ICU beds available in the south suburbs including Kankakee County and Southern Cook County region. Kankakee County is just 45% fully vaccinated.
Is that “most”?
Omicron is just going to whip through these counties like wildfire.
So sad. It didn’t have to be like this.
March 30 was Thanksgiving now?
What are you even talking about WP?
I said there weren’t check points last Thanksgiving stopping us from seeing Grandma. And there certainly aren’t this year which is why cases are exploding.
This will be our worst outbreak of the entire pandemic in Illinois. It didn’t need to be like this. What a tragedy we’re about to endure. Again.
Gary, I’ll supply some data since HH refuses to.
Here’s what Iowa is saying about the make-up of its hospitalized COVID patients. This is not simply those over 65.
As usual, HH is clueless.
It’s numbers like these that pushed the Iowa governor, who is a Republican, to get her booster shot a few days ago and release a video showing her getting it.
https://www.iowapublicradio.org/health/2021-12-03/iowa-sees-record-covid-hospitalization-levels-during-the-holiday-season-for-a-second-year
“As of Wednesday, state hospital data shows Iowans 60 and older made up 63 percent of the current hospitalizations — with 65 percent of this group being unvaccinated.
Iowans ages 12 to 59 made up 35 percent of hospitalizations with 90 percent of this group being unvaccinated. The vast majority of those vaccinated and hospitalized in this younger group were in the 50-to-59 age range.
Ten Iowans under 12 were hospitalized. All were unvaccinated.”
I was going to do a chatter about this lovely vintage unit in Andersonville but it has now gone under contract.
Interestingly, it was listed in August so it actually has been on the market for some time now. But they lowered the price from $429,000 down to $400,000 and now it is selling.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/5615-N-Wayne-Ave-60660/unit-2S/home/12683878
Thats a nice unit
Please note – thats a real built-in
Back to real estate. Here is my November update. Pretty incredible that sales were up 39.8% over 2019 and 19.0% over 2020. IAR will report a 15.9% increase. And inventory keeps hitting new lows. SFHs are selling really fast. Condos not so much. https://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/2021/12/chicago-real-estate-market-sets-a-16-year-record/
That unit on Wayne is beautiful. I have friends who own a 3-flat near there and there are SO MANY beautiful old apartment/condo buildings (and single family homes) in that area.
It’s a great neighborhood for trick-or-treating, too.
“There are just 8 ICU beds available in the south suburbs including Kankakee County and Southern Cook County region.”
Huh? There are 212 hospital beds and 35 ICU beds in Cook County currently available. There’s 20K+ hospital beds and 3500+ ICU beds available across the State.
Good lord. Stop making stuff up.
https://publichealth.uic.edu/uic-covid-19-public-health-response/covid-19-maps-chicago-illinois/number-of-hospital-beds-and-icu-beds-in-cook-county/
“This will be our worst outbreak of the entire pandemic in Illinois.”
Again, where do you get your information from? IDPH states for Chicago and Cook County test positivity, new cases, and youth cases are considered “minimal” while cases per 100K are “substantial”.
If you dig down on the “substantial” we are at 159 cases per 100K which is 3x less than what we had at the peak last Thanksgiving of 604 per 100K. “Substantial” is defined as >100 cases per 100K.
Test Positivity rate for Chicago is currently 3.6% compared to 15.5% this time last year.
I literally think you just hear or read Covid cases are up from last week or last month and just start freaking out.
https://dph.illinois.gov/covid19/data/countymetrics/countyschool.html?county=Chicago
“Omicron is just going to whip through these counties like wildfire.”
Which no one knows the severity of….. except for all knowing Sabrina. Even Fauci said the early data so far “does not look like there’s a great degree of severity to it,”.
I’m assuming Maddow hasn’t had Fauci on at all as an “expert” to lead off her show.
Cases are going up in the Midwest and Northeast because we are spending more time indoors given the weather same reason the South had their increase over the summer.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-12-05/fauci-says-early-reports-encouraging-about-omicron-variant
“Cases are going up in the Midwest and Northeast because we are spending more time indoors given the weather same reason the South had their increase over the summer.”
exactly, the fact that we’ve been through 2 years of this shit now and people don’t know this just goes to show how fucking ignorant everyone is
“State health officials reported Friday that 747 Iowans are hospitalized with the virus”
Oh wow, gee whiz. 747 people. The vast majority of these people will live, not die.
But if people like Sabrina and Gary had their way we’d be FORCING shots on children aged 5-11 like DeBlasio. We all know they are sympathizers with that mentality and scary thing is, if given the power and chance, they’d be willing collaborators with the evil.
We must get through to the thick-headed covid-crazies. We cannot have a misguided plan for a cure that is worse and more deadly and more hurtful than the virus itself. There are people who are forgoing angioplasty, for instance, and having heart attacks because they are afraid to go the hospital because of “covid”.
Flu A is going around school again, and it’s worse than Covid. Flu A (H1N1) actually gives people a high temperature unlike covid.
“exactly, the fact that we’ve been through 2 years of this shit now and people don’t know this just goes to show how fucking ignorant everyone is”
Yep. But Midwesterners are still eating indoors, hanging out with their families and friends indoors during the biggest part of the pandemic, refusing to get vaccinated or if they did, refusing to get the booster.
You’d think everyone would get it by now?
By the way, cases starting to inch up in Florida again. I wonder if the Omicron is going to give them a big winter outbreak in the tourist locations like Orlando and Miami?
“Which no one knows the severity of….. except for all knowing Sabrina. Even Fauci said the early data so far”
The “severity”?
Who the fuck cares? 50% of the population isn’t vaccinated in some of those counties. They are ALL going to get it and a lot of them will end up hospitalized and in the ICU.
Sure, the severity doesn’t appear bad for those who are vaccinated. Hooray! But we weren’t going to end up hospitalized anyway.
The bad news is that it’s way more transmissible than the Delta so even MORE are going to get it, especially as they are gathering indoors maskless.
The Delta has already produced Illinois’ highest cases since last January. And several states are at record hospitalizations. ALREADY.
The outbreak is already here. Omicron won’t matter until January. It’s going to be brutal for the next 8 weeks. So sad. It didn’t have to be like this.
“Again, where do you get your information from? IDPH states for Chicago and Cook County test positivity, new cases, and youth cases are considered “minimal” while cases per 100K are “substantial”.”
State data WP. Try and catch up.
This will be our worst outbreak of the pandemic.
There are 8 ICU beds available in Kankakee and Will County. And we’re under 10% in several other counties including southern parts of Cook County.
You are WRONG again. You have been WRONG about COVID for 2 years now. It’s laughable.
Please listen to the medical professional updates WP.
Study. Learn.
Helmethofer,
“Flu A is going around school again, and it’s worse than Covid. ”
You’re just making shit up again. Do you even have a source for this belief? If I make up shit will you believe it?
“That unit on Wayne is beautiful. I have friends who own a 3-flat near there and there are SO MANY beautiful old apartment/condo buildings (and single family homes) in that area.”
Agreed Madeline. I love that stretch of Wayne as well. Really pretty vintage.
I’m surprised this didn’t sell initially in August.
“Back to real estate. Here is my November update. Pretty incredible that sales were up 39.8% over 2019 and 19.0% over 2020. IAR will report a 15.9% increase.”
Wow. Incredible times we’re living in right now.
“They are ALL going to get it and a lot of them will end up hospitalized and in the ICU.”
This is where the disconnect occurs. The COVID crazies (mostly AWFLs, women, and men like Gary) blow waaaaaaay out of proportion the danger from Covid. It gets to levels where (again, mostly ding-dong women) people are thinking it’s good idea to jab a 5 year old with an untested, unproven, barely effective, gene therapy which doesn’t even stop transmission. And people are willing collaborators with people like DeBlasio who is now requiring that a 5-12 year old present a vaxx cert to buy a slice of pizza. Madness!!
We are beholden to a mass hysteria and the result is a “cure” incl. lockdowns and economic dislocation which is 1000x more harmful than the virus itself.
The covid-crazies should just stay home. They can boost themselves as many times as they want, wear 3 masks (they don’t work). But the covid-crazies’ fear is hurting their fellow man. Also, it’s allowing the worst kinds of people to have too much power and we lose freedoms that some of us want. let the covid-crazies stay home and stay “safe” if they are that paranoid.
PS source of Flu A info is an 7th grader, purely anecdotal. But I believe it because I highly doubt said 7th grader would know what Flu A is and drop it into a conversation without hearing about it from adults or school nurses etc.
“Yep. But Midwesterners are still eating indoors, hanging out with their families and friends indoors during the biggest part of the pandemic, refusing to get vaccinated or if they did, refusing to get the booster.”
I almost feel sorry for you and the sad & pathetic life you must lead, but then I realize you are making these choices
“State data WP. Try and catch up.
This will be our worst outbreak of the pandemic.”
I literally posted the link in the comment to IDPH which used the word “minimal” and cited the statistics.
It’s nowhere near the worst outbreak of the pandemic as I cited per the data from IDPH. I literally spelled it out for you with a link and you still ignore it.
Learn to read and keep up for once. Stop spreading fake news as well.
Again, link below for the farsighted who don’t know how to use a computer and zoom in.
Or did you start hitting the bottle extra early today?
https://dph.illinois.gov/covid19/data/countymetrics/countyschool.html?county=Chicago
“You’re just making shit up again. Do you even have a source for this belief? If I make up shit will you believe it?”
Not sure how widespread it is but there does appear some anecdotal reporting of increased Flu. Over 500 cases of Flu were reported at the University of Michigan in October that gained the States Health Department attention.
“While we often start to see some flu activity now, the size of this outbreak is unusual,” Juan Luis Marquez, medical director at the Washtenaw County Health Department, said in a statement.”
“Amid the surge, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services is calling on people to get the flu vaccine, as vaccine administrations are down by about 26% compared to this time last year and COVID-19 cases are also on the rise.”
“Other campuses are also battling flu outbreaks. Rowan University in Glassboro, New Jersey, has logged 150 flu cases among students since Nov. 1, most of which were last week, Joe Cardona, the vice president of university relations, told ABC News. In response, the school has been holding flu vaccination clinics for students and staff this week.
Spikes in flu cases have also been seen at Florida State University and Florida A&M University, the Associated Press reported earlier this month.”
“Public health experts have warned that this flu season might be more severe, following last season’s mild flu activity.”
https://abcnews.go.com/US/state-health-department-raises-alarm-campus-flu-outbreak/story?id=81236430
“Flu A (H1N1) actually gives people a high temperature”
What’s the mechanism for that, exactly?
“You’re just making shit up again. Do you even have a source for this belief? If I make up shit will you believe it?”
CDC put out a warning two weeks ago on the rise of FLU in kids and young adults so doesn’t appear to be anecdotal. However, it looks like the FLU isn’t effecting older adults as bad this year compared to prior years. More than 90% of cases have been between the ages of 5 – 24.
“Most cases are of the H3N2 lineage — a strain that health experts say is particularly troublesome, as it tends to mutate faster than other variants of influenza. The last time H3N2 was the dominant strain was during the 2017-18 flu season, when the U.S. had 710,000 flu-related hospitalizations and 52,000 flu-related deaths, the most since the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic.”
“The flu season typically runs from October to as late as May, with activity tending to peak from December to February, according to the CDC.”
“Influenza experts had previously said they were concerned that the country could be at risk for a severe flu season this year after seasonal flu cases reached an all-time low last year, when large parts of the country were shut down because of the coronavirus pandemic.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-warns-rising-flu-cases-children-young-adults-rcna6655
“Provide a link for the nonsense you are spewing”
She cant – Its all made up or she’s cherry-picking (bad) data sources
“Will County, Illinois has reported having 90 staffed adult ICU beds. 46 are filled by non-COVID patients and 16 are filled by COVID patients. Overall, 62 out of 90 (70%) are filled. This suggests there is likely enough capacity to absorb a wave of new COVID infections. About this data”
“Kankakee County, Illinois has reported having 56 staffed adult ICU beds. 19 are filled by non-COVID patients and 15 are filled by COVID patients. Overall, 34 out of 56 (61%) are filled. This suggests there is likely enough capacity to absorb a wave of new COVID infections.”
This is based on Todays data
Embarrassing…
linky for JU’s comment:
https://covidactnow.org/us/illinois-il/county/kankakee_county/?s=26491553
“source of Flu A info is an 7th grader, purely anecdotal. But I believe it because I highly doubt said 7th grader would know what Flu A is and drop it into a conversation without hearing about it from adults or school nurses etc.”
So a 7th grader told you the flu is worse than Covid and you now believe that. Figures.
WP, I’m looking for a valid source that says the flu is worse than Covid. Haven’t seen it.
“WP, I’m looking for a valid source that says the flu is worse than Covid. Haven’t seen it.”
Ah apologies. Definitely couldn’t find you that. Maybe certain flu strains are more deadly in younger populations only than Covid such as the H1N1 that circulated in 2009 but on a year in and year out basis Covid definitely worse for overall society.
Here you go JohnnyU.
All the covid deniers just need to STOP.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/only-8-icu-beds-available-213357674.html
I will delete any comments with propaganda. Oh, and Indiana is in just as huge of an outbreak with Indiana’s public health officials already warning that the state will see record hospitalizations with this wave. Let’s hope the deaths aren’t as bad.
Our poor medical professionals. They don’t deserve this.
Success is vaccination.
Get vaxxed. Get the booster.
“It’s nowhere near the worst outbreak of the pandemic as I cited per the data from IDPH.”
The state just had the most 1-day number of cases since the pandemic began. Chicago just had its highest number of positive cases since Jan 20. And we’re in the early stages of this outbreak. It will get worse.
And, once again, WP is on this blog stating “it won’t be that bad” when all the other times he has stated this nonsense, the outbreak exploded. So, yeah, this outbreak is here and it’s going to get worse.
And now Omicron has been found here which was inevitable, but just means even more cases.
And like JohnnyU, if your only response WP is “you must be drunk Sabrina” then you have already lost the argument. Because calling someone drunk has never won a debate, you know?
This outbreak will be Illinois worst of the 2-year pandemic. So sad. It didn’t have to be like this.
Also, I thought Michigan had peaked, but now it’s getting worse again. The hospitals have taken to the media to plead with people to get vaccinated and/or stay home to stem the tide. They have halted elective procedures. They already have the Feds in 3 parts of the state. Western Michigan is particularly terrible.
Prayers.
‘The covid-crazies should just stay home. They can boost themselves as many times as they want, wear 3 masks (they don’t work).”
They are HH. But when covid deniers like yourself end up in the hospital, it taxes all of society.
So sad. Prayers for our medical professionals over the next 2 months.
Gary, I had to look at your data again just because it’s hard to believe it’s that hot given how hot last year was.
And in a month when normally sales slow dramatically.
The 3.9 month supply of attached homes isn’t surprising. Heck, if you take out downtown, it’s got to be much lower. But it’s interesting about the time on the market increasing.
That reflects what I noticed with that unit I posted on Wayne in Andersonville that just went under contract, but it’s been listed since August. Inventory is still non-existent so why is it taking longer for condos to sell? Just not what the buyers want to be buying right now? Prices too high and buyers are sitting on the sidelines waiting for reductions? But half are selling almost right away anyway, so that can’t be it.
It’s a conundrum.
But if it’s this hot going into December and January, what will March look like?
If mortgage rates stay this low, the hot market should continue. No reason for it to slow any time soon.
“ All the covid deniers just need to STOP.”
Anyone that disagrees with your HAWT ™ takes isn’t a denier
“https://www.yahoo.com/now/only-8-icu-beds-available-213357674.html”
Fake News
“I will delete any comments with propaganda. Oh, and Indiana is in just as huge of an outbreak with Indiana’s public health officials already warning that the state will see record hospitalizations with this wave. Let’s hope the deaths aren’t as bad.
Our poor medical professionals. They don’t deserve this.
Success is vaccination.
Get vaxxed. Get the booster.”
You’re about a 1/2 a step away from Arbeit macht frei
The hospital system is often strained. I think I mentioned a while back how I spent the night in the hallway of Northwestern’s emergency room waiting for a bed. That was just as Covid was hitting and it wasn’t a factor.
Then about a month ago a friend of ours in her 80s had blocked arteries in her legs and went to Northwestern. Covid was actually in a lull in Chicago. Turns out she was dying and there wasn’t anything they could do for her. But she spent 24 hours in the ER hallway also because there were no beds. They eventually sent her home to die. At the time both U of C and Northwestern were on diversion.
This shit is real. The hospital system wasn’t designed with huge surge capacity.
“This outbreak will be Illinois worst of the 2-year pandemic. So sad. It didn’t have to be like this.”
the good news here is that Sabrina is always wrong
“All the covid deniers just need to STOP.”
deniers? lol what is covid to you a religion?
Madeline posted: “…It’s a great neighborhood for trick-or-treating, too.”
Anecdotally fwiw on H’ween I was bicycling on Balmoral thru Andersonville en route to lakefront around 3 pm. After seeing zero costumed kids on streets west of Broadway I was very surprised to see hordes of trick-or-treaters on Wayne, Lakewood & Magnolia. And there were still a lot of revelers on those streets when I returned west bound around 5 pm. Are the demographics that different?
“This shit is real. The hospital system wasn’t designed with huge surge capacity.”
Yep.
Indiana’s Republican Governor now is urging people to get the vaccine and the booster. He knows what is coming for his state too. He actually called out some of the propaganda he’s received about the vaccine (the idiots who think you have a chip in your body, for instance.)
This outbreak is going to be terrible for the hospitals and medical staff and a lot of families. It’s so sad. Prayers.
3 shots are working to keep people out of the hospital. Nearly everyone in the hospitals is unvaccinated, or they have only had 1 or 2 shots. No booster. Immunity wanes.
Prayers.
You can make an appointment on CVS or Walgreens for the booster.
All Illinois counties are now in the “high transmission” category. It is running unchecked throughout the state. Cook is actually one of the best places to be. Go figure.
But downstate is not good. Just 8 ICU beds in Kankakee County. One of the downstate counties has a 20% positivity rate again.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/covid-by-the-numbers-all-102-illinois-counties-experiencing-high-transmission-rates-of-coronavirus/2703377/
I see Sabrina is back to censoring content that doesn’t fit her narrative and political ideology.
“Nearly everyone in the hospitals is unvaccinated, or they have only had 1 or 2 shots. No booster.”
She is indeed back to censoring again and pushing fake news.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-fact-check-icus-are-filled-unvaccinated
Praying that this “Prayers” thing will end.
“Praying that this “Prayers” thing will end.”
CDC and medical professionals expecting 10,000 deaths a week over the next several months in America.
And let’s hope this wave is the last bad one. But as long as we have 40% unvaccinated, will it be? I hope so.
“She is indeed back to censoring again and pushing fake news.”
So sad. It didn’t have to be like this. The Iowa numbers are getting worse. Every day. Another 105 dead.
“Of those currently hospitalized, 185 are in intensive care units and 98 are on ventilators. More than 84% of COVID-19 patients requiring intensive care in Iowa are not fully vaccinated against the disease.”
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/health/2021/12/08/iowa-sets-2021-highs-new-covid-cases-hospitalizations/6431969001/
In Wisconsin, 270 facilities are asking for COVID help as their outbreak worsens.
They have requested 5 teams from FEMA to come in and help. Michigan has 3 teams right now. Doctors and nurses are exhausted.
Wisconsin’s ICUs are at 97% capacity.
Prayers.
“I see Sabrina is back to censoring content that doesn’t fit her narrative and political ideology.”
If you are abusive to me, I will delete your post.
It’s as simple as that.
“She is indeed back to censoring again and pushing fake news.”
Helmethofer, Why did you link to an article about the UK? Is that where you live? Is that where you think Chicago is?
“Every leader at Tuesday’s panel [in Wisconsin] said the vast majority of new COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated — from 74 percent at Marshfield Clinic to 88 percent at Froedtert.”
https://www.wpr.org/we-are-full-period-wisconsin-hospital-leaders-say-they-are-crisis-point-new-covid-19-surge
“If you are abusive to me, I will delete your post.
It’s as simple as that.”
So again why did you delete my post as I wasn’t abusive to you. I stated that the Indiana Governor has been pushing for people to get vaccinated since vaccines came out. I also said the same was true with plenty of other republican governors.
Apparently this type of talk triggers you and are exercising the doctrine of the new CEO of Twitter?
“CDC and medical professionals expecting 10,000 deaths a week over the next several months in America.”
There’s been 10,000 deaths a weeks since August/September…
“There’s been 10,000 deaths a week[] since August/September…”
1,428 7-day average? Not since 10/26/21 that I see. Rolling about 9,000 currently.
It was that high from 9/2 to 10/26, tho. And last winter from 11/20/20 to 3/11/21.
Hey anon(tfo) I like your biased editing of a biased source (public radio).
You deliberately left out:
“At Froedtert, Conley said COVID-19 patients make up about 13 percent of occupied beds”
You’d be crazy to go to the hospital, because they are death centers. Get Regeneron treatment, outpatient. Stay at home, take treatments like Ivermectin and Vit D, rest up, and get your own oxygen if you think you need it. Also, the vast majority of people with COVID problems are obese, so if your BMI is 40 or higher you have yourself to blame for being stubborn and ignorant and not being able to control what you shove in your mouth. But I guess all your other fellow citizens have to pick up the tab and subsidize people’s idiocy.
Again, if you are young & healthy, COVID is not lethal and natural immunity is better than 4 boosters of untested mystery juice. Keep yourself pureblood if you are young. Yesterday, an ex-NFL player, 33, died. Not surprisingly the only logical reason is the jab which is giving young people myocarditis.
Helmethofer,
Once again stating beliefs based on no facts. Ivermectin? Seriously? But I guess that’s how natural selection works. Thank God.
Natural immunity is demonstrably inferior to the vaccine. If it wasn’t you would have provided a reliable source.
And if a hospital has 20% spare capacity and fills that 20% with Covid patients they are screwed. So the percentage of patients doesn’t matter all that much.
“biased editing ”
Quit being a fucking idiot.
“Quit being a fucking idiot.”
I realize that’s pretty much impossible for an anti-Semitic POS like yourself. Would take a Festivus Miracle.
Happy Holidays!
“Natural immunity is demonstrably inferior to the vaccine. If it wasn’t you would have provided a reliable source.”
Lol, you lack LOGIC. If the fake vaxxes worked, there wouldn’t be breakthroughs, you wouldn’t need endless boosters. The stupid gene therapies are not vaccines, they don’t provide immunity and they don’t stop infection or transmission. Do you refute these basic facts? So, natural immunity cannot be worse than that.
“1,428 7-day average? Not since 10/26/21 that I see. Rolling about 9,000 currently.”
Yeah, they are expecting 10,000 a week over the next several months based on current and projected hospitalizations.
The Midwest is terrible. Ohio is a disaster. Virus circulating freely there. Same with Indiana. Kentucky is looking grim now too. And it already had a Delta outbreak in the summer.
Michigan continues to worsen. I thought they would have peaked by now but everyone gathering over Thanksgiving is extending their outbreak. Ugh.
“Likewise, Hertel, director of the Department of Health and Human Services, said the state’s COVID-19 numbers were trending in “a deeply concerning direction, heading into the Christmas holiday and the new year.”
The state is seeking 200 additional ventilators from the Strategic National Stockpile, said Lynn Sutfin, spokeswoman for the Michigan health department.”
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/12/10/michigan-covid-situation-critical-but-restrictions-not-focus-health-officials-say/6460643001/
I deleted part of HH’s recent comment because it was his usual offensive, racist, homophobic nonsense.
It’s so hard for the anti-vaxxers to “get it.” But the numbers, and deaths, continue to rise. It’s so sad. It didn’t have to be like this. This is the Trump vaccine. This is Operation Warp Speed. It worked!
“ I deleted part of HH’s recent comment”
Can you block HH already? No one wants to read his garbage. Did you let him stay around because you get ad revenue for every comment?
Mike HG: I have blocked HH many times.
Helmethofer,
Very little of what you say is true.
“If the fake vaxxes worked, there wouldn’t be breakthroughs”
Wrong. Vaccines are often not 100% effective nor are they necessarily effective forever.
“you wouldn’t need endless boosters”
Many vaccines require boosters. The flu vaccine needs a new one every year and it’s 3 different vaccines. And it’s because the virus mutates, just like Covid.
“The stupid gene therapies are not vaccines”
Only according to your weird ass definition of a vaccine. They produce an immune response. That’s all that matters.
“they don’t provide immunity and they don’t stop infection or transmission.”
They provide a significant degree of immunity and prevent severe cases.
“Do you refute these basic facts?”
You have no facts to refute. It’s all made up nonsense.
“So, natural immunity cannot be worse than that.”
It is. Here is one study. Among the infected the risk of hospitalizations is 5 1/2 times higher without a vaccine but previous infection than for those with the vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm
““Every leader at Tuesday’s panel [in Wisconsin] said the vast majority of new COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated — from 74 percent at Marshfield Clinic to 88 percent at Froedtert.”
Anon
Per – https://www.wha.org/COVID19Update about 30% of the ICU beds are assigned to Covid patients.
The bigger issue is the policy failure denying medical coverage until the issue is forced, requiring an ICU stay
Its interesting to see that even with the uptick in Covid cases requiring hospitalization, the Isolation room count is low
“about 30% of the ICU beds are assigned to Covid patients.”
I’m not addressing that aspect of any “argument” in any fashion.
Are you joining in asserting that “most” of the COVID-related ICU patients have received vaccines?
“Are you joining in asserting that “most” of the COVID-related ICU patients have received vaccines?”
I dont believe that I’ve made that claim
“I dont believe that I’ve made that claim”
And I’ve said zero about what the make-up of overall ICU patients is.
Thought you were piggybacking off Sabrina Smollete’s comment
More a data point about who is getting covid bad enough to go to hospital, which I found interesting. GTHOOI based on S saying something about Wisc.
Did seem to trigger Herr Anwärter.
Anecdotally, it seems that the “denying medical coverage until the issue is forced” is partly policy failure and partly denial on the part of many of the patients (it’s fake; ivermectin will save me; etc).
“Anecdotally, it seems that the “denying medical coverage until the issue is forced” is partly policy failure and partly denial on the part of many of the patients (it’s fake; ivermectin will save me; etc).”
Was referring to the non-Covid ICU patients being delayed medical procedures prior to landing in the ICU.
Um, let’s not forget that the virus is non-lethal to 99.5% who encounter it. It’s fully correlated with obesity, so maybe we should deny medical coverage to those who have been/are so irresponsible with their selfish lifestyle choices? We now have Chicago Bulls and visiting Calgary Flames players in Covid protocols. Were these players vaxxed? Conclusion: The vaxxes do not work. Will these players die? Statistically improbable.
Should we shutdown, let petty tyrants lock us down, make children subject to the ineffective and leaky untested experimental gene therapies, and force children to wear masks all day long?
I feel sorry for anyone who has become a Covid-crazy. But your bad science and hate-policy is hurting children and other good people.
PS It’s really sad to see Sabrina have to rely on immoral censorship of moral people to keep up a failing narrative. I don’t understand why anon(tfo) isn’t up in arms over REAL racism, that of the anti-white racists like BLM or Jussie Smollett or Santa Inc. producers. It’s sad, he is the type who gets more upset at an unmasked grocery shopper than a destructive robber who is destroying our businesses and commercial base. Warped mind.
“Um, let’s not forget that the virus is non-lethal to 99.5% who encounter it.”
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Again, helmet, you avoid the other half of the equation. What does “encounter it” other than “infected”? So it’s non-lethal to 99.5 percent of those infected. HOW INFECTIOUS IS THE VIRUS, HELMET?
Your silence will be deafening.
Ultimately the gene therapy narrative will fall apart. They aren’t vaccines, they are leaky (create variants), and do not provide immunity (under heretofore medical definitions (had to be altered)), they do no stop infection or transmission.
So he we are, even Reuters can’t cover for the bad narrative forever:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-reported-us-omicron-cases-have-hit-fully-vaccinated-cdc-2021-12-10/
Gary, there is no money in natural immunity. get a clue.
“It’s so hard for the anti-vaxxers to “get it.” But the numbers, and deaths, continue to rise. It’s so sad. It didn’t have to be like this. This is the Trump vaccine. This is Operation Warp Speed. It worked!”
Politics has nothing to do with it. But among those who do politicize it, it’s the Left that has flip-flopped with numerous of these types of people (like Kamala) having stated they weren’t taking a “rushed” or “unproven” “Trump vaccine”, but now they’ve hilariously flip-flopped and let ideology run their lives instead of science, logic or common sense. These same avowed enlightened Liberals are supposed to oppose authoritarian government and be antiwar in principle, but now are the biggest supporters of crazed authoritarianism. It’s comical. Mental juveniles.
Most anti-experimental gene therapy folks are that way no matter which politicians and Big Pharma execs rushed them on the populace.
“Um, let’s not forget that the virus is non-lethal to 99.5% who encounter it.”
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Once again leaving out half the equation, Helmet. “encounter it” means infection rate. You ignore the infection rate, Helmet. How INFECTIOUS is Covid-19?
There’s been 800,000 deaths from Covid, Helmet, and even having people just wind up in the hospital (convenient how you stopped at “non-lethal” and said nothing about hospitalizations) is pretty serious and expensive.
“non-Covid ICU patients being delayed medical procedures prior to landing in the ICU”
Any data on that? It makes intuitive sense, given everything else, but I haven’t run across anything on that point (haven’t looked for it, either).
Helmethofer,
“Were these players vaxxed? Conclusion: The vaxxes do not work. Will these players die? Statistically improbable.”
Your definition of vaccines working is wrong. It’s whether or not they prevent serious illness. So they are working. However, if you want to use your own definition then why aren’t you bitching about natural immunity not working?
“Should we shutdown, let petty tyrants lock us down”
Nobody is doing that any more and there is no need to because people lock themselves down.
“make children subject to the ineffective and leaky untested experimental gene therapies, and force children to wear masks all day long?”
You’re as bad as a liberal with making up your own terminology to control the narrative. And the cost of kids wearing masks is zero so who cares?
Helmethofer,
” it’s the Left that has flip-flopped with numerous of these types of people (like Kamala) having stated they weren’t taking a “rushed” or “unproven” “Trump vaccine”,”
Do facts even matter to you and your people? Look at the exact quotes. Here is one: “I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump. And it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he’s talking about. I will not take his word for it. He wants us to inject bleach. I — no, I will not take his word.”
That’s exactly how I felt about it since the guy was changing CDC data and pressuring various agencies to do his bidding. No flip flopping there.
“ Any data on that? It makes intuitive sense, given everything else, but I haven’t run across anything on that point (haven’t looked for it, either).”
No, just a N=2 observation
Not sure how you’d get this data or how good it would be.
“I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump. And it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he’s talking about. I will not take his word for it. He wants us to inject bleach. I — no, I will not take his word.”
Except he didn’t say to inject bleach
Do you actually believe that Trump said to “Inject Bleach”?
I wasn’t discussing what I believe. I was discussing what Kamala said. I know he didn’t say that. He said we should look into injecting disinfectants into the body, which is almost as stupid.
But that wasn’t the point of the quote was it? The point was her thoughts on the vaccine.
“Nobody is doing that any more and there is no need to because people lock themselves down.”
They’re not doing “it” yet, Gary. But, unfortunately, Europe is giving us a window into what the United States will be facing with Omicron in just a few weeks. Over there, not enough people are locking themselves down and Omicron is just too transmissible.
Omicron is already the dominant strain in Denmark and will soon be in Norway and the UK. Cases are doubling within days. Of course, cases are no longer the scary metric once you have a lot of people vaccinated. But having 70% or even 80% double vaccinated, and boosted, still may not be enough to save your hospitals from being overwhelmed if the computer analysis of Omicron’s spread is correct.
Norway said today that if they don’t slow the spread, that average daily cases will be between 90,000 and 300,000. Right now, it’s barely seeing 4,000 a day.
They have, therefore, put on more restrictions, especially for indoor activities like bars and restaurants. They have also brought back the mandatory quarantine for travelers.
Maybe the hospitals won’t get overwhelmed. Maybe these really will be mostly mild cases. But we will know from the response in Europe whether or not indoor dining restrictions will be coming back to the US. Fingers crossed these really are more mild than the delta. Because we clearly aren’t going to stop the spread through any mitigation techniques.
The delta variant is the one that is devastating the Midwest right now. But it has only taken 2 weeks for the Omicron to take over in Europe. In some states in the US, there are no restrictions at all, not even masks. The Omicron is going to spread like wildfire. It will be hitting right around New Years in many states. Just in time for the football games, the parties, and the fireworks.
What does Florida look like in 2 weeks? They have let down their guard. Cases remain low, but have started to tick up again. It’s such a big travel/vacation destination, that Omicron has come in through multiple airports.
Near Orlando, cases are on the rise and they are finding Omicron in the wastewater.
“Altamonte Springs uses GT Molecular to look for variants in the wastewater. The lab estimated that omicron made up between 8-10% of the COVID-19 cases in the Altamonte Springs sewer service area. Delta is still the dominant variant, Martz said.”
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-omicron-altamonte-seminole-orange-central-florida-20211213-gfq7vafekfhz3osss6lqlvovum-story.html
“ I was discussing what Kamala said. I know he didn’t say that. He said we should look into injecting disinfectants into the body, which is almost as stupid.
But that wasn’t the point of the quote was it? The point was her thoughts on the vaccine.”
The point is she’s a moron.
Lying about what he said, isn’t a plus
She’s distorting facts like all the other politicians. But that wasn’t what we were discussing. We were discussing whether or not she was against the vaccine at some point in time and she was not. She was just against a Trump promoted vaccine that lacked independent approval. So was I.
So ignore the lie and create a strawman and its all good now?
Not ignoring the lie. Just not willing to change the subject.
“ Mike HG: I have blocked HH many times.”
No you haven’t he is still here. Continually block him on every post and remove it. Literally, I don’t come to this site because he derails most conversations to inane topics. I can’t be the only one who doesn’t want to have topics derailed.
“No you haven’t he is still here.”
He always finds a way back on the site and I decided years ago that I’d rather know it was him posting, and under his usual name.
I delete his comments all the time Mike HG.
“ Not ignoring the lie. Just not willing to change the subject.”
I get it, not wanting to be consistent provides some convenient comfort
Where do you fall on the following statement
“ Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America.”
I already explained that this has nothing to do with consistency but rather not succumbing to diversionary tactics.
However, if you want to discuss that statement I’m game. I agree with the statement but the operative word is “responsible”. Doing all the right things given the information available at the time and still having poor outcomes would not make one “responsible for deaths” in my mind. However, doing all the wrong things would make one responsible.
I already explained that this has nothing to do with consistency but rather not succumbing to diversionary tactics.”
IMO it has everything to do with consistency. Not having standards and relying on the “feels” is a recipe for disaster
“However, if you want to discuss that statement I’m game. I agree with the statement but the operative word is “responsible”. Doing all the right things given the information available at the time and still having poor outcomes would not make one “responsible for deaths” in my mind. However, doing all the wrong things would make one responsible.”
So who was responsible when that statement was uttered?
Why are you asking a question you know the answer to?
Trump